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LC

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Trump and Erdogan
« on: October 07, 2019, 08:41:15 PM »
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/07/just-hours-after-trump-bends-erdogan-reports-indicate-turkeys-bombing-kurdish-forces

Just Hours After Trump Bends to Erdoğan, Reports Indicate Turkey's Bombing of Kurdish Forces Has Begun


Now apparently about a month ago, the US convinced the Kurds to remove their fortifications to establish a "safe-zone":
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/09/03/us-backed-syrian-kurds-to-remove-fortifications-from-turkish-border-as-part-of-safe-zone-deal/

And then one month later Trump gets on a call with Erdogan and agrees to remove all US troops out of the area and clear way for a Turkish military operation.

What a spineless, and frankly evil move from Trump. Looks to me like we are officially the bad guys.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2019, 09:19:17 PM »
It seems no matter what you will complain.  The fact of the matter is this is actually a democrat move, reducing military. Really!  If he stays he's a warmonger. If he leaves he's evil.  Come on.  It's not the USA's responsibility what turkey does.  You guys did your best in Syria. Nobody helped you.  Nobody.  Now the world is going to put thus on you or trump?  That's just hypocrisy.

You got nothing here.  If this is a problem can we please talk about Canada's role in being evil too.  Or the EU?

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2019, 09:37:19 PM »
Saying "we're pulling out our military you guys are on your own" is a lot different than saying "lets both the US and the kurds withdraw to create a 'safe zone'" and then a month later you get on the phone with the Turkish and say "ok we're going to pull our military out you guys can now attack the guys we just convinced to de-militarize"
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2019, 09:43:28 PM »
They are lucky you ever helped them frankly.  The Kurds are not at all demilitarized in the last month and Trump has been talking about this for over a year.  If they do need to be defended maybe that's something the UN can do.   But we a know the UN is just talk and we know that nobody really cares.  Let's just not go around pretending this is a USA issue.
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2019, 10:31:07 PM »
Well the kurds  have been fighting isis for years and have been generally allies of the US for even longer, so I wouldn't say they were 'lucky we helped'.
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2019, 10:44:51 PM »
Another timeless quote from King Donald that will be remembered and quoted by future generations:

“As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...”

This quote is so priceless it warrants a bold and underline. In all seriousness, Trump actually believes the underlined part. And that should scare the hell out of not just Democrats but also Republicans. Clearly, this guy has too much power given how he is wired. I know The Democrats and Warren scare the hell out of Republicans. But at least they can be controlled as the founding fathers envisioned.

Trump, on the other hand, has pretty much free reign to do whatever his ‘great and unmatched wisdom’ suggests (and he is proving to be a completely diabolical genius of sorts). The US has become a Monarchy (the light buld just went on for me :-). The coup has happened. (Enabled by the hatred eminating on both sides of the aisles.) Simply amazing what he has been able to do to the US political system :-) My guess is he will stay in power as long as he can. Long live the King!
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2019, 06:43:23 AM »
They are only fighting Isis because Isis was attacking them in Syria and Iraq. It was self defense.

To Vikings comments, if we are going to call trump a monarch the first would be Obama.  He launched a bombing campaign in Libya without going to Congress. I don't know how you ignore that but attack trump for .. pulling troops out.

I actually liked his comments on turkey. You need to go listen to the crazy rhetoric from Erdogan to really understand where he is coming from.

All the while you both continue to ignore my comments regarding complete apathy by EU.  Why are they not held responsible?  This is right on their doorstep.

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 07:29:27 AM »

"I actually liked his comments on turkey"

And aside from the fact that he is a compulsive liar, you don’t think that statements like “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” and “I am a very stable genius” are not indications of mental issues?
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2019, 07:53:29 AM »
Trump doesn't take politics as seriously as career politicians. He acts like a comedian sometimes, take a look at this Trump tweet:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1180245134363025415?lang=en


Another timeless quote from King Donald that will be remembered and quoted by future generations:

“As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...”

This quote is so priceless it warrants a bold and underline. In all seriousness, Trump actually believes the underlined part. And that should scare the hell out of not just Democrats but also Republicans. Clearly, this guy has too much power given how he is wired. I know The Democrats and Warren scare the hell out of Republicans. But at least they can be controlled as the founding fathers envisioned.

Trump, on the other hand, has pretty much free reign to do whatever his ‘great and unmatched wisdom’ suggests (and he is proving to be a completely diabolical genius of sorts). The US has become a Monarchy (the light buld just went on for me :-). The coup has happened. (Enabled by the hatred eminating on both sides of the aisles.) Simply amazing what he has been able to do to the US political system :-) My guess is he will stay in power as long as he can. Long live the King!

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 10:10:15 AM »
Trump doesn't take politics as seriously as career politicians. He acts like a comedian sometimes, take a look at this Trump tweet:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1180245134363025415?lang=en


RuleNumberOne

It's really futile, as the LEFT has no sense of humor. They will never recover from Trump snuffing out the Progressive movement in the
2016 election.  It was such a traumatic event for them - and of course now they are in real trouble with IG reports set to be launched.

Make no mistake about it - it's called "The Bitter Hostility of the LEFT". 

Like Gregmal convinced me - it will never end, even in the face of cold hard facts.
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