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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2019, 11:16:00 AM »
So all the lies he tells are just jokes. Okay, now I get it.
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 11:28:50 AM »

"I actually liked his comments on turkey"

And aside from the fact that he is a compulsive liar, you don’t think that statements like “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” and “I am a very stable genius” are not indications of mental issues?

I guess you get out of it what you want to.  My take is that statement you are talking about “I, in my great and unmatched wisdom” was him lightening the mood.  It adds to the effect.  It is basically, I have so little respect for you I am going to make a joke while I am threatening you.  Fire with fire.

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 11:48:18 AM »
Trump is one of only a few special couple people I am aware of who could say something 100% in jest and yet still have people with zero first hand knowledge of anything telling you they know exactly what he was thinking and that he wasn't joking....just like with the 3rd term stuff. The opposite of Elon Musk basically.

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2019, 11:50:39 AM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.
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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2019, 12:07:30 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2019, 12:22:27 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

Lots of people who have spent time around Trump say that he has absolutely NO sense of humor. Check out the issues around roasting Donald Trump. Check out what people who worked for him at The Trump Organization. Check out what people who were on the Apprentice say. I have never heard anyone say Trump has a sense of humor about himself. That's what made the roast so difficult for the comedians.

On the Joe Rogan Experience, Penn Jillette said that in his two seasons that he was on Celebrity Apprentice the only time he saw Trump laugh was when it was a bullying chuckle after he said something insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw

 Those who have spent significant time around him unanimously say that one of the most notable things about Trump is that he is the most humorless person they have ever been around. The idea that you can dismiss much of what Trump does as his sense of humor doesn't seem to fit with anyone who has been around him.

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2019, 12:32:54 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

Lots of people who have spent time around Trump say that he has absolutely NO sense of humor. Check out the issues around roasting Donald Trump. Check out what people who worked for him at The Trump Organization. Check out what people who were on the Apprentice say. I have never heard anyone say Trump has a sense of humor about himself. That's what made the roast so difficult for the comedians.

On the Joe Rogan Experience, Penn Jillette said that in his two seasons that he was on Celebrity Apprentice the only time he saw Trump laugh was when it was a bullying chuckle after he said something insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw

 Those who have spent significant time around him unanimously say that one of the most notable things about Trump is that he is the most humorless person they have ever been around. The idea that you can dismiss much of what Trump does as his sense of humor doesn't seem to fit with anyone who has been around him.

You're quoting his critics and making a sweeping generalization when you can just as easily find clips of him making jokes and attempting humor at various rallies, and even retweeting things on his Twitter accounts that can't possibly be taken as anything other than a joke. I mean your claim is quite astounding when even you bring up the Comedy Central roast in which the participant willingly agrees to be the center of everyones jokes...which....many celebrities refuse to do and even some that originally agreed, backed out.

The ability of the internet to provide people with whatever they need to fit whatever narrative they want to fill is quite awesome, isn't it....

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2019, 12:42:24 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

Lots of people who have spent time around Trump say that he has absolutely NO sense of humor. Check out the issues around roasting Donald Trump. Check out what people who worked for him at The Trump Organization. Check out what people who were on the Apprentice say. I have never heard anyone say Trump has a sense of humor about himself. That's what made the roast so difficult for the comedians.

On the Joe Rogan Experience, Penn Jillette said that in his two seasons that he was on Celebrity Apprentice the only time he saw Trump laugh was when it was a bullying chuckle after he said something insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw

 Those who have spent significant time around him unanimously say that one of the most notable things about Trump is that he is the most humorless person they have ever been around. The idea that you can dismiss much of what Trump does as his sense of humor doesn't seem to fit with anyone who has been around him.

You're quoting his critics and making a sweeping generalization when you can just as easily find clips of him making jokes and attempting humor at various rallies, and even retweeting things on his Twitter accounts that can't possibly be taken as anything other than a joke. I mean your claim is quite astounding when even you bring up the Comedy Central roast in which the participant willingly agrees to be the center of everyones jokes...which....many celebrities refuse to do and even some that originally agreed, backed out.

The ability of the internet to provide people with whatever they need to fit whatever narrative they want to fill is quite awesome, isn't it....
Fair enough. I'd like to see some examples of him making jokes or being funny that aren't either attempts at false modesty or making attacks on people who are his critics.

I would especially like to see examples of word play, which some people consider the highest form of humor.


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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2019, 01:04:43 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

Lots of people who have spent time around Trump say that he has absolutely NO sense of humor. Check out the issues around roasting Donald Trump. Check out what people who worked for him at The Trump Organization. Check out what people who were on the Apprentice say. I have never heard anyone say Trump has a sense of humor about himself. That's what made the roast so difficult for the comedians.

On the Joe Rogan Experience, Penn Jillette said that in his two seasons that he was on Celebrity Apprentice the only time he saw Trump laugh was when it was a bullying chuckle after he said something insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw

 Those who have spent significant time around him unanimously say that one of the most notable things about Trump is that he is the most humorless person they have ever been around. The idea that you can dismiss much of what Trump does as his sense of humor doesn't seem to fit with anyone who has been around him.

You're quoting his critics and making a sweeping generalization when you can just as easily find clips of him making jokes and attempting humor at various rallies, and even retweeting things on his Twitter accounts that can't possibly be taken as anything other than a joke. I mean your claim is quite astounding when even you bring up the Comedy Central roast in which the participant willingly agrees to be the center of everyones jokes...which....many celebrities refuse to do and even some that originally agreed, backed out.

The ability of the internet to provide people with whatever they need to fit whatever narrative they want to fill is quite awesome, isn't it....
Fair enough. I'd like to see some examples of him making jokes or being funny that aren't either attempts at false modesty or making attacks on people who are his critics.

I would especially like to see examples of word play, which some people consider the highest form of humor.

While risking the irony of spending time commenting on such things, yet also dismissing them, I'd simply ask why you care so much? Like do you really care enough to spend time research and subjectively analyzing material and footage in order to still, inconclusively, make a determination if....Donald Trump is a jokester?? I really don't care that much either way, it certainly would not change my life either way if we could conclusively and definitively get an answer to that, but even if we wanted to we probably cant...

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Re: Trump and Erdogan
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2019, 01:16:12 PM »
Well in all seriousness, if it was sarcasm it probably wasn’t a very appropriate place for it. And in conjunction with his other remarks like “I am a very stable genius” I really think it is just his narcissistic personality coming out. However, we are all tend to see what we want or expect to see.

Ok sure. But even if it is tinted with his "narcissistic personality", why view it as anything but a joke? The guy can be a clown. No reason to get so bothered by it. Just like when Obama dramatically confessed "I am my brothers keeper" with the same delivery as a C list thespian, its like what ever. Guys a goof. Trump admittedly trolls all these folks and knows the media and lefties will have a conniption with anything he says. No need to get invested in that stuff. Just laugh at it. Turkey is a shithole run by a bunch of maniacs..blow em off the map for all I care. They are worse than many of the other Middle Eastern places because they regularly play both sides of the fence and willingly harbor terrorists and people who support terror.

Lots of people who have spent time around Trump say that he has absolutely NO sense of humor. Check out the issues around roasting Donald Trump. Check out what people who worked for him at The Trump Organization. Check out what people who were on the Apprentice say. I have never heard anyone say Trump has a sense of humor about himself. That's what made the roast so difficult for the comedians.

On the Joe Rogan Experience, Penn Jillette said that in his two seasons that he was on Celebrity Apprentice the only time he saw Trump laugh was when it was a bullying chuckle after he said something insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UK40_XkWw

 Those who have spent significant time around him unanimously say that one of the most notable things about Trump is that he is the most humorless person they have ever been around. The idea that you can dismiss much of what Trump does as his sense of humor doesn't seem to fit with anyone who has been around him.

You're quoting his critics and making a sweeping generalization when you can just as easily find clips of him making jokes and attempting humor at various rallies, and even retweeting things on his Twitter accounts that can't possibly be taken as anything other than a joke. I mean your claim is quite astounding when even you bring up the Comedy Central roast in which the participant willingly agrees to be the center of everyones jokes...which....many celebrities refuse to do and even some that originally agreed, backed out.

The ability of the internet to provide people with whatever they need to fit whatever narrative they want to fill is quite awesome, isn't it....
Fair enough. I'd like to see some examples of him making jokes or being funny that aren't either attempts at false modesty or making attacks on people who are his critics.

I would especially like to see examples of word play, which some people consider the highest form of humor.

While risking the irony of spending time commenting on such things, yet also dismissing them, I'd simply ask why you care so much? Like do you really care enough to spend time research and subjectively analyzing material and footage in order to still, inconclusively, make a determination if....Donald Trump is a jokester?? I really don't care that much either way, it certainly would not change my life either way if we could conclusively and definitively get an answer to that, but even if we wanted to we probably cant...

So . . . you don't have any examples to point to?