Author Topic: Trump Derangement Syndrome  (Read 46083 times)

rkbabang

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #290 on: August 07, 2018, 11:33:32 AM »
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/07/31/trump-said-people-watched-his-rally-on-tvs-outside-the-fairgrounds-they-didnt/

Trump said people watched his rally on TVs outside the Fairgrounds. They didn’t.
There were no massive TV screens and no JumboTrons outside of the Trump rally in Tampa.

OMFG!!!!!! Impeach this monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

The last 3 presidents have slaughtered tens of thousands of people with drones and your big issue is that he said people were watching tv and they weren't?


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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #291 on: August 08, 2018, 05:38:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/ryanbeckwith/status/1027284940424208384

People Trump accused of secretly taping him:
• Barack Obama
• James Comey

People who actually secretly taped Trump:
• Michael Cohen
• Omarosa Manigault

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #292 on: August 08, 2018, 06:23:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/ryanbeckwith/status/1027284940424208384

People Trump accused of secretly taping him:
• Barack Obama
• James Comey

People who actually secretly taped Trump:
• Michael Cohen
• Omarosa Manigault

With such friends, who needs enemies?
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« Reply #293 on: August 09, 2018, 03:12:29 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/kfile-mike-pence-moral-columns/index.html

Vice President Mike Pence once argued the president of the United States should be held to the highest moral standards to determine whether he should resign or be removed from office.

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #294 on: August 09, 2018, 05:21:53 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/kfile-mike-pence-moral-columns/index.html

Vice President Mike Pence once argued the president of the United States should be held to the highest moral standards to determine whether he should resign or be removed from office.

Just imagine now that Trump would be accused of having an affair with an intern at the White House? Would anyone care? He would probably brag about it on Twitter. Maybe we are once for all done with that kind of morality BS in the US.

François Mitterand took his mistress on official receptions in the 80‘s and I don’t think the French gave a damn about it.
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #295 on: August 25, 2018, 07:52:00 AM »
"This is insane!," exploded Prof. Munger to me.  "When my students display Trump Derangement Syndrome, it makes me look like a bad teacher."  http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/narcissistic-personality-disorder/

most people don't do research on forums and read long New Yorker profiles or whatever. They just think "he's a billionaire, so he must be a good businessman, right, and he constantly talks about all his successes, and most people aren't liars, so it's probably true that he's that smart and successful".

This is as pure an example of mind-reading as you'll ever see, and therefore pure BS.  And therefore TDS.
 https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/877505138474221568?lang=en

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201609/meet-the-real-narcissists-theyre-not-what-you-think

"True pathological narcissism has always been rare and remains so: It affects an estimated 1 percent of the population."
"The disorder can be diagnosed only by a mental health professional and is suspected when a person's narcissistic traits impair his or her daily functioning."

The second quote is a key component of the diagnosis, which is one obvious reason why the diagnosis does not apply to Very Stable Genius DJT.

The best physicians and clinicians understand that things like "depression," "anxiety," "narcissistic personality" do not exist, strictly speaking.  What does exist is a cluster of symptoms and signs unique to each patient, and then we place a label on it for communication and treatment purposes.  It is not meant for amateurs to throw around in casual conversation, resulting in further harmful social interactions.  DSM-V terminology are not "things."  They are mere shorthand labels whose function is to help suffering clients compassionately.

Ordinary mediocre clinicians and therapists use those labels as if those diagnoses really exist, and they implicitly encourage patients to label themselves such.  This practice is ineffective.  They are treating labels, not patients.  That's a major reason why so many health professionals are ineffective.

The worst physicians diagnose from afar, breaching professional ethics, and write books like http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/books/the-dangerous-case-of-donald-trump-27-psychiatrists/

Laymen who use the terminology have http://blog.dilbert.com/2015/10/10/narcissistic-accuser-syndrome/

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #296 on: August 25, 2018, 08:01:39 AM »
Why is it that Warren, Charlie, Prem, Mohnish, etc., never sound unhinged or intemperate publicly?, like the following:

No one is saying that Bush, Obama or Clinton were perfect or great...but let's not bullshit ourselves about Trump either.  The hypocrisy of evangelicals supporting him alone is mind-blowing! 

And getting back to the title subject...supporters and the Trump team were saying that he wasn't lying on almost every personal matter that he denied.
 Now you have two very close Trump cohorts going to jail...white collar criminals yes...but criminals nonetheless.  And in Manafort's case, the size of the fraud and tax evasion was enormous!  This is not a good guy, or brave guy as the President touts, but a f**king crook that he employed and was very close to.  So, let's not discount the whole Russian Collusion thing until this is all over.  It's been nothing but lies, hypocrisy and bullshit for 18 months!
 Cheers!

Why do they never jump on MSM click-bait and go on wild speculations?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/allen-weisselberg-longtime-trump-organization-cfo-is-granted-immunity-by-federal-prosecutors-in-michael-cohen-investigation-1535121992

"Allen Weisselberg, Longtime Trump Organization CFO, Is Granted Immunity in Cohen Probe"

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Allen Weisselberg, President Trump’s longtime financial gatekeeper, was granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen in the criminal investigation into hush-money payments for two women during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Weisselberg was called to testify before a federal grand jury in the investigation earlier this year, The Wall Street Journal previously reported, citing people familiar with the investigation.

The hits just keep coming..

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-25/new-cohen-recording-surfaces-a-bigger-catch

Cant wait for the taxes and the Trump business stuff to come out. I would think it would be of special interest on these boards.

At least we'll finally get to see them!  I love the quote:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation/index.html

"Allen knows where all the financial bodies are buried. Allen knows every deal, he knows every dealership, he knows every sale, anything and everything that's been done -- he knows every membership. Anything you can think of," said the person, who was not making any specific allegations about the Trump Organization's finances."

At the end of the day, this is nothing but a fake news witch hunt.  Poor Trump may end up wearing the scarlet letters "ADX".  Cheers!

Maybe they're not afflicted by Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Hell, even Sardar is circumspect!


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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #297 on: August 25, 2018, 09:07:57 AM »
Hi cobafdek,
This post is an intentional attempt at changing the direction of the conversation.

In the last two posts, you include:

1st post: "This is insane!," exploded Prof. Munger to me.  "When my students display Trump Derangement Syndrome, it makes me look like a bad teacher."

2nd post: "Why is it that Warren, Charlie, Prem, Mohnish, etc., never sound unhinged or intemperate publicly?"

Just want to say that including two contradictory statements in two consecutive posts will tend to weaken your argument.


Keeping in mind your advice of sticking with personality traits and staying away from diagnoses, I find (this seems to be accepted across the spectrum) that Presisent Trump frequently asserts one statement only to characteristically express the complete opposite, sometimes in the same setting. According to your evaluation, is this a sign of a very high level of stable mental abilities or is it simply a form of mental incoherence?

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #298 on: August 25, 2018, 05:28:16 PM »
Hi cobafdek,
This post is an intentional attempt at changing the direction of the conversation.

In the last two posts, you include:

1st post: "This is insane!," exploded Prof. Munger to me.  "When my students display Trump Derangement Syndrome, it makes me look like a bad teacher."

2nd post: "Why is it that Warren, Charlie, Prem, Mohnish, etc., never sound unhinged or intemperate publicly?"

Just want to say that including two contradictory statements in two consecutive posts will tend to weaken your argument.


Keeping in mind your advice of sticking with personality traits and staying away from diagnoses, I find (this seems to be accepted across the spectrum) that Presisent Trump frequently asserts one statement only to characteristically express the complete opposite, sometimes in the same setting. According to your evaluation, is this a sign of a very high level of stable mental abilities or is it simply a form of mental incoherence?

Nah, no contradiction at all
 
Like all of us, your ratio of consuming fake news to real may have gone up unawares, so beware of unconsciously adopting their simplistic literal-mindedness for cheap "gotcha" purposes!

I assumed most of us here have witnessed Munger in person at WSCO or DJCO annual meetings, as I have many times.  When he "explodes" apoplectically and calls something "insane" (one of his favorite put-downs),  he still looks subdued.  I (and maybe you also) would look more obviously conventionally crazy and unhinged.

Trump-speak is intentional and shows a high level of intuitive understanding of the psychology of influence and persuasion.  Ask George Lakoff, staunch anti-Trumper.  He's been saying this for about 3 years now.  I've seen him on MSNBC and CNN several times making his case.  The MSM will continue to be hilariously trolled by the Master Troll.  Seems like no one listens to Lakoff.  That's good for Trump.
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #299 on: August 25, 2018, 08:48:34 PM »
Nah, no contradiction at all
 
Like all of us, your ratio of consuming fake news to real may have gone up unawares, so beware of unconsciously adopting their simplistic literal-mindedness for cheap "gotcha" purposes!

I assumed most of us here have witnessed Munger in person at WSCO or DJCO annual meetings, as I have many times.  When he "explodes" apoplectically and calls something "insane" (one of his favorite put-downs),  he still looks subdued.  I (and maybe you also) would look more obviously conventionally crazy and unhinged.

Trump-speak is intentional and shows a high level of intuitive understanding of the psychology of influence and persuasion.  Ask George Lakoff, staunch anti-Trumper.  He's been saying this for about 3 years now.  I've seen him on MSNBC and CNN several times making his case.  The MSM will continue to be hilariously trolled by the Master Troll.  Seems like no one listens to Lakoff.  That's good for Trump.

I've never seen Mr. Munger in person but have watched him on video and actually agree with your assessment of his muted "outbursts".

Looked into George Lakoff whom I did not know.

Speaking of fake news, I recently scored poorly on a "test". Maybe you want to try it.
http://factitious.augamestudio.com/#/

Speaking of contradictions, in the spirit of learning and making sure that this does not become an insulting contest, can you explain to me how you reconcile criticism of people applying clinical labels from afar for elected officials while at the same time using a similar strategy to label participants on this Board with the TDS?

Does one need empathy to be good at intuition? I always thought that intuition was mostly an internal process.
I guess the forgotten man unconsciously wants to know.