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cobafdek

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Trump Derangement Syndrome
« on: November 01, 2017, 12:06:55 AM »
The topic on First Charges Filed in Mueller Case is a clinic on various manifestations of Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Paraphrasing writser's inscription:  when you are hallucinating, you do not know you are hallucinating.  It's only difficult and painful for others.

Case #1:
As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself.
This is cognitive dissonance.

Case #2:
That's what will undo him eventually. He requires total loyalty, even to the point of claiming the sky is green and 2+2=5 (yes, his inauguration crowd was millions of people, the biggest ever!), but he has no loyalty for his people as soon as they aren't useful to him anymore. Almost everyone who was close to him except direct family has been dumped, or is even now getting attacked on Twitter.
This is magical thinking about loyalty.

Case #3:
Again, we just see a dead man walking - relying on the rules for rulers.

According to the pundits this is the best it gets for the republicans; 2018 is supposedly looking like a disaster, with 2019 and beyond even worse. Impeachment takes a long time, and the results are uncertain. However should the chump become a martyr? an awful lot of problems drop away; & the man has already prepared the ground by releasing the JFK files. The liability becomes an asset, the twitter feed finally goes silent, the 'family' establishes a lock on rulership. And 5 years on, maybe the first FEMALE US President ends up being a Trump?   

Enron, became Enron - in part because Ken Lay (Chairman) knew he was dying. When Enron finally blew he would either be gone, or close to it; others would be taking the fall, and he wouldn't be explaining anything. One has to wonder whether a version of the same thing isn't happening here - as almost all Dons know they will not be shuffling off as a result of old age.

Sadly it's also America, and this kind of solution has a long history.

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This is incoherence bordering on psychosis.

These are not examples of abnormal brains.  These are completely NORMAL cognitive behaviors, in otherwise highly intelligent people.

These examples support the thinking of evolutionary psychologists, who say the the human brain did not evolve to perceive objective reality.  We perceive according to patterns, according to bizarre frames of reference.  Our political and religious thinking do not prevent these guys and all of us from reproducing, becoming skillful and insightful investors, and otherwise succeeding in life. 


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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 06:26:29 AM »
What is objective reality? Please do tell us as soon as you're done saying nothing (aside from badly parroting Scott Adams talking points) in the most condescending way possible.

No wait, your schtick is to say "people say conflicting things, how can we know? People who hate Trump are obviously hallucinating it all and the others are correct", right? This is the "different people see different movies playing" narrative, right? Or are you going a bit further into the "there's not objective reality! There are no facts, it's impossible to know anything, what does it matter, my beliefs are just as good as any, etc.."?

It's not like you could be the one rationalizing it all away with these rhetorical devices, right? I'm sure it's normal for presidents to have like 10+ of their close people leave in less than a year, a few for bumbling incompetence (Scaramuchi), many because they lied on security forms about meeting foreign agents offering dirt on political adversaries to try to change the course of an election (including their son and son in law, and now Papadopoulos who pled guilty)? I'm sure it's normal to be caught on tape bragging about sexual assault and have 16 women come out and confirm it. I'm sure it's normal to be on the record lying or saying things without evidence over and over again (he'll definitely release his tax returns, right? Obama tapped Trump tower, right? His businesses will be in a blind trust, right? The crowds at the inauguration were bigger than Obama's, right?), to fire the FBI chief after asking for a loyalty pledge when you learn he's investigating people around you, etc. It's also totally normal to have a US president jump to the defense of a foreign despot when someone says he's a killer by immediately putting down the US, around the same time he's calling NATO obsolete, or to basically be the only one to come to the defense of a Nazi/KKK rally where murder took place by pointing out that there were violent people on both sides (technically true, just like in WWII, but the message in context is clear), or to try to ban people from entering the country based on their religion, or to make pro-torture statements based on myths (general Pershing), or to publicly undermine their secretaries of state and call for IQ tests, or to have many staff get caught using private email servers after calling for an opponent to be jailed for doing so, I'm sure it's also normal for presidents to seem to get a large portion of their intelligence from cable news talk shows (he often parrots it back right after it airs), etc.

Anyway, enjoy your president, I'm sure you wish your level of humility, intelligence and integrity matched his. Exactly the kind of man you'd like to have your daughter marry, to paraphrase Buffett.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/?list=speaker
« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 11:38:22 AM by Liberty »
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 08:11:44 AM »
No, these are all examples of not playing the game.
The game setter is only useful as long as the game benefits enough of the 'right' people. Comes the day it doesn't, it's either time for a new game - or a new game master. New calculation.

Travel the world long enough, and you'll quickly observe that this is also the 'norm' - not the exception.
Ask any Russian.

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« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 01:46:38 PM by SharperDingaan »

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 08:42:30 AM »
No, these are all examples of not playing the game.
The game setter is only useful as long as the game benefits enough of the 'right' people (ie: French and Russian Revolutions). Comes the day it doesn't, it's either time for a new game - or a new game master. New calculation.

Travel the world long enough, and you'll quickly observe that this is also the 'norm' - not the exception.
Ask any Russian.

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The game? These are examples of being a low quality individual.

What's your point? This doesn't make any of it any better. Are you preaching moral relativism?

Lying, even if common, is bad. Corruption, even if common, is bad. Sexual harassment, even if common, is bad. Tyranny, even if common, is bad. Torture, even if common, is bad. Racism, even if common, is bad.

The fact that we had slavery and genocide since forever doesn't make these things any more good or desirable. We should strive to do better (and we have, in the arc of time -- Violence and has been going down, democracy and freedom going up, poverty down, etc).
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 08:45:49 AM »
Case #4:
What is objective reality? Please do tell us as soon as you're done saying nothing (aside from badly parroting Scott Adams talking points) in the most condescending way possible.

No wait, your schtick is to say "people say conflicting things, how can we know? People who hate Trump are obviously hallucinating it all and the others are correct", right? This is the "different people see different movies playing" narrative, right? Or are you going a bit further into the "there's not objective reality! There are no facts, it's impossible to know anything, what does it matter, my beliefs are just as good as any, etc.."?

It's not like you could be the one rationalizing it all away with these rhetorical devices, right? I'm sure it's normal for presidents to have like 10+ members of their close people leave in less than a year, a few for bumbling incompetence (Scaramuchi), many because they lied on security forms about meeting foreign agents offering dirt on political adversaries to try to change the course of an election (including their son and son in law, and now Papadopoulos who pled guilty)? I'm sure it's normal to be caught on tape bragging about sexual assault and have 16 women come out and confirm it. I'm sure it's normal to be on the record lying or saying things without evidence over and over again (he'll definitely release his tax returns, right? Obama tapped Trump tower, right? His businesses will be in a blind trust, right?), to fire the FBI chief after asking for a loyalty pledge when you learn he's investigating people around you, etc. It's also totally normal to have a US president jump to the defense of a foreign despot when someone says he's a killer by immediately putting down the US, around the same time he's calling NATO obsolete, or to basically be the only one to come to the defense of a Nazi/KKK rally by pointing out that there were violent people on both sides (technically true, just like in WWII, but the message in context is clear), or to try to ban people form entering the country based on their religion, or to make pro-torture statements based on myths (general Pershing), or to publicly undermine their secretaries of state and call for IQ tests, or to have many staff get caught using private email servers after calling for an opponent to be jailed for doing so, I'm sure it's also normal for presidents to seem to get a large portion of their intelligence from cable news talk shows (he often parrots it back right after it airs), etc.

Anyway, enjoy your president, I'm sure you wish your level of humility, intelligence and integrity matched his. Exactly the kind of man you'd like to have your daughter marry, to paraphrase Buffett.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/?list=speaker
Triggered.  And doubling down.  Thanks for the additional example.

Also, confirmation bias working overtime.  Scott Adams?  I was channeling Rory Sutherland, and, I admit, badly.

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 08:54:38 AM »
Case #4:

Triggered.  And doubling down.  Thanks for the additional example.

Also, confirmation bias working overtime.  Scott Adams?  I was channeling Rory Sutherland, and, I admit, badly.

More nothing. Zero substance, just rhetorical tricks ("if I act like I've won, some people will believe I'm smart and I've won" and "if I throw around words like triggered and cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance, surely people will read into it that I'm saying something clever").

Kind of like a con artist. Seems familiar these days...
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 09:04:24 AM »
Ask any Russian.

Funny you mention it.  You're probably way ahead of me.  I'm only a third of the way through Brothers Karamazov.  I may understand you better when I'm finished.  You're starting to make sense to me.  Thanks for your reply.

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 09:42:46 AM »
Can you provide some more explanation? I'm too dense to understand how you came to your individual conclusions in the original post.

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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 09:46:03 AM »
Where is this going?

Since Dostoievsky is mentioned, this thread reminds me of the plot in the play: Six characters in search of an author by Pirandello. Read that in 1985.
It's a play that you may like cobafdek, because it exploits the blur between illusion and reality.

Potential relevance to an investment thread discussion style and the present polarized environment:

One of the unique aspects of the play is that each participant fails to try to listen and understand others.

From a review:

"The play discusses the tragedy of modern man's failure to communicate. The real problem faced by the modern people is the lack of communication amidst them. In modern society each person has his or her solipsistic world within himself/herself."

We are all deranged to some degree, perhaps some more than others.

Can we, at least, give it a try?



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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 09:57:30 AM »
what is the point of this?