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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2019, 04:37:39 PM »
Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.

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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2019, 06:53:41 PM »
Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.
I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2019, 07:40:20 PM »
Read up a little bit on this...the 67 riots seemed like one helluva tipping point:

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Composed mainly of confrontations between black residents and the Detroit Police Department, it began in the early morning hours of Sunday July 23, 1967, in Detroit, Michigan. The precipitating event was a police raid of an unlicensed, after-hours bar then known as a blind pig, on the city's Near West Side. It exploded into one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in American history, lasting five days and surpassing the violence and property destruction of Detroit's 1943 race riot 24 years earlier.

The result was 43 dead, 1,189 injured, over 7,200 arrests, and more than 2,000 buildings destroyed. The scale of the riot was the worst in the United States since the 1863 New York City draft riots during the American Civil War,[3] and was not surpassed until the 1992 Los Angeles riots 25 years later.

From there apparently the racial divide grew wider, combined with industry slowly leaving...and yikes. Not good ingredients for success.
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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2019, 07:42:11 PM »
Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.
I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

I've always heard that there were entire neighborhoods selling for $1 if the buyer paid the property tax and made an effort to improve the area or something like that. Is there any merit to that?

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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2019, 11:17:34 PM »
Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.
I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

I've always heard that there were entire neighborhoods selling for $1 if the buyer paid the property tax and made an effort to improve the area or something like that. Is there any merit to that?

I have never heard of OR encountered entire NEIGHBORHOODS for $1.  That is totally new to me.

There are certainly abandoned sections of the city, whole neighborhoods that are abandoned, razed, lost to nature...Detroit has an abandoned zoo!  It opened in the early 80's.  I actually went there a few times as a child.  It has been empty/lost to looters/nature for about 20 years now.  A fascinating video is on the YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIonF-NJi2A

This zoo was built/done during the reign of Coleman Young.

Another fascinating video of Detroit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwpcGbGmco

This video starts off with the simply incredible Fisher Building.  While they show some very nice aspects of it, they only scratch the surface.  It is truly a work of art (Art Deco) and rivals anything in the world.

The video progresses to Cooley High School, built in the the late 20's.  This shows the incredible wealth & strength of the city in better times.  Simply insane.  At about the 26 minute mark, they show the shooting range of the high school.  YES, schools in the USA used to have shooting clubs/ranges.  Simply unimaginable now.  Well worth 30 minutes of your time.

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Could you get houses/buildings/lots for $1 in Detroit?  All day, every day and twice on Sunday. 

Just before I bought my commercial buildings, I got into a "heated" discussion with a close family member.  He was concerned that I had lost my mind, and was of the opinion that real estate only goes DOWN in value as time progresses...and "don't be stupid, you might be buying property worth LESS THAN ZERO".  Luckily, I did not lose my mind.  Time was on my side, and the properties were worth more than zero, and have actually appreciated!

For many years, and even today, I can show you properties that are still worth less than zero.  That is, you will have to pay taxes on them.  Why pay taxes on something that never produce income/value?  Why take the risk of environmental problems?  Risk being sued over somebody doing something stupid and getting hurt on your property?  Why have the expense of having maintenance/upkeep/landscaping?  Run the risk/expense of having somebody "dump" on your property?

In the year 2019, there is much "less than zero" properties than previous years, but there are still some.  There are also TONS of properties that had marginal worth, that are now actually worth something.  There are even people who are making money buying properties on the fringes of neighborhoods that are improving.  There are properties actually being re-purposed and fixed up and being put back into business use.

Where else in America can you BUY commercial property (in decent condition) for $11/sq. foot? 

« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 11:28:03 PM by DTEJD1997 »

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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2019, 05:46:38 AM »
Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.
I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

I've always heard that there were entire neighborhoods selling for $1 if the buyer paid the property tax and made an effort to improve the area or something like that. Is there any merit to that?

I have never heard of OR encountered entire NEIGHBORHOODS for $1.  That is totally new to me.

There are certainly abandoned sections of the city, whole neighborhoods that are abandoned, razed, lost to nature...Detroit has an abandoned zoo!  It opened in the early 80's.  I actually went there a few times as a child.  It has been empty/lost to looters/nature for about 20 years now.  A fascinating video is on the YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIonF-NJi2A

This zoo was built/done during the reign of Coleman Young.

Another fascinating video of Detroit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwpcGbGmco

This video starts off with the simply incredible Fisher Building.  While they show some very nice aspects of it, they only scratch the surface.  It is truly a work of art (Art Deco) and rivals anything in the world.

The video progresses to Cooley High School, built in the the late 20's.  This shows the incredible wealth & strength of the city in better times.  Simply insane.  At about the 26 minute mark, they show the shooting range of the high school.  YES, schools in the USA used to have shooting clubs/ranges.  Simply unimaginable now.  Well worth 30 minutes of your time.

##############################

Could you get houses/buildings/lots for $1 in Detroit?  All day, every day and twice on Sunday. 

Just before I bought my commercial buildings, I got into a "heated" discussion with a close family member.  He was concerned that I had lost my mind, and was of the opinion that real estate only goes DOWN in value as time progresses...and "don't be stupid, you might be buying property worth LESS THAN ZERO".  Luckily, I did not lose my mind.  Time was on my side, and the properties were worth more than zero, and have actually appreciated!

For many years, and even today, I can show you properties that are still worth less than zero.  That is, you will have to pay taxes on them.  Why pay taxes on something that never produce income/value?  Why take the risk of environmental problems?  Risk being sued over somebody doing something stupid and getting hurt on your property?  Why have the expense of having maintenance/upkeep/landscaping?  Run the risk/expense of having somebody "dump" on your property?

In the year 2019, there is much "less than zero" properties than previous years, but there are still some.  There are also TONS of properties that had marginal worth, that are now actually worth something.  There are even people who are making money buying properties on the fringes of neighborhoods that are improving.  There are properties actually being re-purposed and fixed up and being put back into business use.

Where else in America can you BUY commercial property (in decent condition) for $11/sq. foot?

Great videos. Thanks for sharing those. Detroit really is an amazingly sad story in the saga of America. Goes to show you just how delicate economies can be. And how important good leadership is.

Side note: My uncle went to Michigan Tech back in the day and said they used to have a gun range on campus located beneath one of the dorms. My Dad also said he would often take his 20ga to middle school and the school would keep it in the office. He would then hunt with some friends after school as they walked home through the woods. 


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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2019, 10:02:04 AM »
Read up a little bit on this...the 67 riots seemed like one helluva tipping point:

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Composed mainly of confrontations between black residents and the Detroit Police Department, it began in the early morning hours of Sunday July 23, 1967, in Detroit, Michigan. The precipitating event was a police raid of an unlicensed, after-hours bar then known as a blind pig, on the city's Near West Side. It exploded into one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in American history, lasting five days and surpassing the violence and property destruction of Detroit's 1943 race riot 24 years earlier.

The result was 43 dead, 1,189 injured, over 7,200 arrests, and more than 2,000 buildings destroyed. The scale of the riot was the worst in the United States since the 1863 New York City draft riots during the American Civil War,[3] and was not surpassed until the 1992 Los Angeles riots 25 years later.

From there apparently the racial divide grew wider, combined with industry slowly leaving...and yikes. Not good ingredients for success.

Problems were brewing in Detroit before the race riots...but that is what tipped off the rocket sled of decline. 

I was not alive at the time of the riots, but my parents were and they have some very crazy stories of that time.

One of the stories is about the "fake news" of the time.  Apparently, the government (of various levels) wanted to try and downplay the riot and it's violence.  So the ACTUAL level of death, violence and destruction was actually mis-reported on the low side. 

As time went by, the ACTUAL level of violence and crime inside Detroit was not properly reported/known.  The police department had problems on so many levels, and not all of it was their fault...a good chunk of the violence was only known to those who participated in it.  This is especially true in the 70's and 80's.

One of the so very many utterly shocking things that few people know about Detroit is it's "murder clearance rate".   In 2016, Detroit had a murder clearance rate of LESS than 15%.  If there is no arrest within 48 hours of the killing, the murderer gets away almost all the time.  Please see:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/10/u-s-homicide-clearance-rate-crisis/951681002/

Once again, one of the other crazy things is that there are murders that are never reported/investigated or handled by the authorities.  This is also not like 2-3 a year...of course nobody really knows the total, but I can tell you it is not insignificant.

So if the murder clearance rate is so low, what about other crimes?

There are at least 1,000 reasons why Detroit was going to take a fall, but inept/faulty leadership is certainly in the top 10.


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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2019, 04:18:19 PM »
So who destroyed West Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky , Missippi who have been run by the righteous party forever? Those states get more than 2$ for every $ they pay. Time for Trump to tell his constituents to wrap up their shirt sleeves and get to work, or get the Puerto Rico treatment.
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Re: Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2019, 05:07:42 PM »
Lol!

I have never been afraid to go through any of these States you mentioned but, I would encourage you one day to take the Ambassador Bridge, then go through the little route to connect to Hwy 75 South.

Anyway your heroes who want to bring Venezuela laws to you are on TV tonight.

Let me tell you that I won't watch and all that good Ole Joe has to do to win the nomination is to say nothing for a year and let all these idiots rant.

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