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globalfinancepartners

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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #100 on: November 09, 2018, 10:20:13 AM »
I've always wondered about this - I get that doctors refuse to take on new Medicaid patients because the reimbursements are so low.  So they just refuse Medicaid patients.  But how is a doctor refusing people who are getting their private market health insurance through an ACA exchange?  How would a doctor even know that my Blue Cross Blue Shield of Louisiana is through an ACA exchange, versus an employer or other form of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Louisiana plan? 

I get it that if I switch to Anthem and my doctor doesn't take Anthem Obama is a lier.  But I don't understand how my health insurance provided by a private company (not single payer, not the government) is somehow different from other private market health insurance.

And when you say its a huge tax increase for the average american - are you referring to the incremental increase to the capital gains tax rate on high income people?  Or are you saying that by requiring health insurance plans to have better-for-the-patient terms (and thus costing more than plans that didn't really offer much protection for the patient), they made health insurance more expensive and that increase in price is the "tax increase"?

What you are missing: Your lies from Trump pale in magnitude from the Obama/Clinton era.

Obama knew Obamacare was a HUGE tax hike for the average American in disguise. He knew it. Zeke Immanuel knew it
and admitted it.  They knew MANY doctors would refuse to sign on for the plan - and the fallout was much worse
than they ever expected. Yet, they continued to perpetuate the lie that the "cost of healthcare would go down".

As an original Obama voter - my mind IS made up. Obama had his chance and was a disaster. Hillary would have been worse.
Now give Trump his chance.

I would also like to add, although I'm sure it will not make a difference, that I have never understood the focus on the Benghazi attack and "cover up."  What am I missing?  What is the big deal?  The biggest fuck up I can see is that we should have sent increased security earlier when it was requested, which may have helped some on the day of the attack.  But the CIA had a bogus initial assessment that it had something to do with the video, since that was causing protests at embassies elsewhere.  It turned out that was wrong - but why do people think Hillary or Susan Rice or Obama have some malicious bad-faith cover up motive?  It has been investigated by Republicans and they concluded that there was no evidence that "Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people."

It has always seemed to me like a misguided Monday-morning quarterback situation that was blown up into something it was not for political reasons.

Do people that get worked up over this Behghazi attack actually believe that Obama, Rice or Hillary Clinton did something wrong intentionally?  What would the motive be?
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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #101 on: November 09, 2018, 10:31:31 AM »
I am saying the escalation of the insurance premiums. Of course, not a "tax increase" - but a larger transfer of income/subsidy
via the insurance industry. My private insurance has gone up 600%, even with my $5000 deductible due to our
President promising me "it would be good for me". 

My best friend is a doctor.  He does a lot of charity work. He was involved with ObamaCare for years - finally stopped taking
it. Why?  Was it because of the low rate? ...NO - it was because he would rather do the work for FREE rather than the
enormous amount of paperwork that was required just to satisfy the experts in DC.  They totally botched this.

But you can't change the way a socialist thinks - when he knows he can do it better than private enterprise.

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« Reply #102 on: November 09, 2018, 10:39:18 AM »
I still don't see how my private insurance purchased through obamacare exchanges is any different from private insurance purchased any other way.

Your health insurance plan sounds really crappy.  Why is it so expensive for a $5000 deductible and how was it so much cheaper before?  Were you part of a group plan before?  Did your cheaper plan have a $5000 deductible?  You did get older and all health costs went up over that time period - but I'm wondering if the prices are anything close to apples to apples.

I am saying the escalation of the insurance premiums. Of course, not a "tax increase" - but a larger transfer of income/subsidy
via the insurance industry. My private insurance has gone up 600%, even with my $5000 deductible due to our
President promising me "it would be good for me". 

My best friend is a doctor.  He does a lot of charity work. He was involved with ObamaCare for years - finally stopped taking
it. Why?  Was it because of the low rate? ...NO - it was because he would rather do the work for FREE rather than the
enormous amount of paperwork that was required just to satisfy the experts in DC.  They totally botched this.

But you can't change the way a socialist thinks - when he knows he can do it better than private enterprise.

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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #103 on: November 09, 2018, 12:15:42 PM »
I am saying the escalation of the insurance premiums. Of course, not a "tax increase" - but a larger transfer of income/subsidy
via the insurance industry. My private insurance has gone up 600%, even with my $5000 deductible due to our
President promising me "it would be good for me". 

My best friend is a doctor.  He does a lot of charity work. He was involved with ObamaCare for years - finally stopped taking
it. Why?  Was it because of the low rate? ...NO - it was because he would rather do the work for FREE rather than the
enormous amount of paperwork that was required just to satisfy the experts in DC.  They totally botched this.

But you can't change the way a socialist thinks - when he knows he can do it better than private enterprise.

What is your employment situation? Without saying whether you are self-employed or not, it is impossible to make apples-to-apples with the increase in insurance premiums. All insurance premiums went up with the existing conditions mandate.

A very similar proposal was made by Republicans in 1996. Chris Jacobs of the Federalist Society is a big supporter of expanding portability it instead of having the existing condition mandate. The difference between insurance portability and existing condition mandate is that if you lose your job, quit, or anything else, the existing condition mandate allows folks to regain health insurance. Previously under the portability clause (and proposed portability expansion), if you quit or in anyway lose your job, your out of luck. ACA is about employee mobility. Employer mobility is expensive because the government funds the mobility for self-employed, uninsured, and private insurance through employers. Corporations get a free ride due to lobbying. That's why the self-insured have been hammered. Another example of corporations getting subsidized by self-employed and the government (directly causing your premiums and deductibles to rise) is the tax break for corporations providing health insurance. Both parties are close on insurance portability, but the rhetoric and misinformation is preventing fixes.

The increase in health insurance premiums is due to self-employed individuals being grouped with low-income folks. Those folks were more likely to have pre-existing conditions and the least amount of money to contribute to the pool. Thus, that pool got hit the hardest. The answer is to mix private insurance with the self-employed pools or something along those lines.

You have already made up your mind about an issue you don't know enough about. Trump has the same problems right now that Obama had. The Republican-led government ran in to the same problems every other mix of US government has ran in to since WW2. Healthcare is getting more expensive. Over every 5 year period since WW2, it's gotten more expensive. ACA isn't perfect or even great, but that's not your real complaint. Your complaint is probably the pool you're stuck with. Corporations lobbied to keep self-employed away from their pools and to make it more difficult to pool amongst yourselves for more leverage.
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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2018, 12:16:08 PM »
My issue with Trump is one of magnitude. Yes, if you look deep enough you can fairly easily  demonstrate that all politicians have their warts. It is the nature of the office. As you make the difficult decisions you will really piss some people off. Over time, you are inevitable piss off a chunk of the people you represent.

I agree that some of Trumpís major policy decisions are initially ridiculed and then over time become more mainstream. Many policy decisions will likely help the US economy over the next couple of years (will they be good in the medium and longer term is not so clear).

My issue with Trump is the impact he is having on the fabric of US society. It looks to me that he is slowly destroying US society. He lies pretty much every day. He treats people like shit pretty much every day. He says terrible things about minorities (no all Mexicans arenít rapists). He says terrible things to and about women (grab them by the puzzy). Rational people who worked for him understand how unbalanced he is (read the books written recently discussing this). Russia is our friend. Really? Trump loves fighting, hatred, anger, resentment (think of a negative emotion) because it rallies his base; this is not how you build a great country. Short term gain and long term you are screwed (unless you want to live in a country where 45% of the population violently hates the other 55%). At some point the pendulum needs to swing back and this will not happen under Trump.

I heard a Jewish columnist on TV recently and she explained the current situation perfectly. She said it was only after the Synagogue killings that she fully appreciated what Trump was doing to the US. She said many of his supporters understand how evil he is but they feel the economic benefits are too great to ignore. Her point was Trump slowly destroying American society and it will only get worse.

At some point caracter has to matter, especially if you are the President of the US. Even if he is the best President ever from an economic standpoint. From the outside looking in it is clear to me that Trump is destroying the fabric of US democracy. You reap what you sow.

My initial guess (based on what i know today) is Trump will win reelection in 2 years.
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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #105 on: November 09, 2018, 12:24:12 PM »

Do people that get worked up over this Behghazi attack actually believe that Obama, Rice or Hillary Clinton did something wrong intentionally?  What would the motive be?

As an American, you should be infuriated about the attack, but particularly the cover up.

Additional security was refused by the consulate after repeated warnings to Clinton's State Department by Christopher Stevens.
Flat out refused since "there was no unrest or danger" because Obama had such a great relationship with the Arab world.
The State Department hung these people out to dry -and they were murdered.

From there it got worse - because the Obama administration did NOT want to admit they made a mistake - they repeatedly
lied to the American people with the fake video story. Repeatedly. When that did not work - they had to come clean.

Why are you not outraged?

What they did was intentionally wrong - and lied repeatedly about it - to advance their political careers.

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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #106 on: November 09, 2018, 12:35:35 PM »
It's good to hear you guys think the Obamacare disaster is so great for the country. Seems as though very
many voters do not agree with you so-called experts. If you take the issues of

1) Jobs
2) Illegal Immigration
3) Obama Care

You have your 3 main reasons for the election of Donald Trump.


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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #107 on: November 09, 2018, 12:38:08 PM »
"there was no unrest or danger"

This is not an actual quote. It does not resemble the actual cable that you should be referring to. You also leave out the ambassador's response to it. The rest of your comment doesn't match known facts. Your comment doesn't make sense.

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« Reply #108 on: November 09, 2018, 12:40:51 PM »
It's good to hear you guys think the Obamacare disaster is so great for the country. Seems as though very
many voters do not agree with you so-called experts. If you take the issues of

1) Jobs
2) Illegal Immigration
3) Obama Care

You have your 3 main reasons for the election of Donald Trump.

Republicans just campaigned on saving pre-existing condition mandate. That is the main source of your insurance premium increases. Your comments have no cohesion.

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Re: Trump just destroyed Republican party
« Reply #109 on: November 09, 2018, 12:47:50 PM »
"there was no unrest or danger"

This is not an actual quote. It does not resemble the actual cable that you should be referring to. You also leave out the ambassador's response to it. The rest of your comment doesn't match known facts. Your comment doesn't make sense.

You're so full of shit Schwab. The administration pushed for days on the video story, when they well knew there
was no protest group at Benghazi, but a planned terrorist attack.

And all the time, Hillary Clinton is telling her daughter about the terrorist attack that killed the Americans.