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Truth of the matter
« on: May 08, 2019, 08:15:12 AM »
Now we see what has been going on behind the scenes:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/08/china-backtracked-on-nearly-all-aspects-of-us-trade-deal-sources.html

Negotiating with Chinese is very difficult and under a communist regime even more so.

I hope that Mr. Trump remains steadfast in domesticating these bastards. It was an incredible historical error not to annihilate them when they crossed the Yalu River in 1950.

Thousands of Americans have died fighting the Japanese which effectively liberated China from their occupation only to be stabbed in the back a few years later.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 04:02:02 PM »
Grossly offensive post Cardboard!

Have you ever been to China?  I can't imagine anyone who has actually been there, talking about annihilation in such a glib manner. 
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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 11:24:30 AM »
To be clear, I am talking about the communist regime.

It was MacArthur's recommendation by the way.

Regarding what is grossly offensive it is to support in any way this murderous regime which starved its own people with millions dying, helped to create another monstrous regime or North Korea, continuing its expansionist ambitions or South China Sea, East China Sea, threatening to invade Taiwan, controlling media and internet, stealing industrial and military secret and on and on.

Even assaulting U.S. citizens and their children:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/is-an-invisible-weapon-targeting-u-s-diplomats-60-minutes/

If you think that these people would hesitate for a second to reduce us to ashes if they were to find a new, absolute weapon you are clearly mistaken.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 11:36:49 AM »
Funny you say this about China.

a) Right here in US we've millions dying with gun violence, opioid crisis, lack of affordable healthcare etc.
b) Arming one murderous regime after other in Arab states, creating destabilization for last 50+ years
c) Not just threatening,  We invaded North Korea (at the request of South Korea), 2–4) we invaded Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos 4–5) we invaded Iraq twice, 6) Afghanistan, 7) in 1983 we invaded Granada, 8) we invaded Cuba quite unsuccessfully. And then there all the African countries that we ‘semi-invaded’ — under the guise of training and equipping (w/ lots of US boots on the ground): Algeria, Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal and Tunisia – not to mention operations in Libya, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya, Djibouti — that’s, let’s see: a total of 23

d) first country to drop an atomic weapon on civilians.

I'm not justifying China's actions by any means. Being Indian born, i know China attacked India and still occupying Tibet. This is the corrupting influence of power. Power continues to expand until check mated.



To be clear, I am talking about the communist regime.

It was MacArthur's recommendation by the way.

Regarding what is grossly offensive it is to support in any way this murderous regime which starved its own people with millions dying, helped to create another monstrous regime or North Korea, continuing its expansionist ambitions or South China Sea, East China Sea, threatening to invade Taiwan, controlling media and internet, stealing industrial and military secret and on and on.

Even assaulting U.S. citizens and their children:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/is-an-invisible-weapon-targeting-u-s-diplomats-60-minutes/

If you think that these people would hesitate for a second to reduce us to ashes if they were to find a new, absolute weapon you are clearly mistaken.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2019, 11:44:49 AM »
To each side, their own narratives.

In America and many western places we like to feel superior and take the moral high ground. Countries like China and Russia are immensely more patriotic and play to win, many times at all costs. It's why we as a country need to get smacked in the mouth really hard and in devastating fashion, like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, to get off our asses. Our "strategy" is to basically let others take advantage of us before we do anything. Whereas these other countries are constantly planning and scheming to be the best. You could say they operate or negotiate in bad faith, but truthfully what they are doing is operating to be the best and to take, and get away with as much as they can.

Also, as Vish ram mentioned, we do shit too but are just sneaky about it and then lie or deny it when getting caught.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2019, 01:16:25 PM »


If you think that these people would hesitate for a second to reduce us to ashes if they were to find a new, absolute weapon you are clearly mistaken.

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Yeah, they actually are not interested in anything of that nature.  Gain economic and military superiority...yes.  Wipe out the U.S....no.  That's your thinking, and the thinking of many who need to sit down and tell a psychiatrist what certain ink-blot stains look like to them.  There is something much deeper here in your heart! 

I've been to China, have many, many Chinese friends both here and around the world.  They are normal people like you and me, with the same ambitions, desires, and undying love for their family.  Are there issues with the Communist government, their tactics and suppression of free speech...yes...but we are seeing that happen in the U.S. as well. 

It might be surprising to some that the rest of the world is really not much different than here, outside of the handful of cabals, dictators and corrupt monarchs that rule in certain regions.  People by their very nature aren't very different.  Cheers!
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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2019, 01:20:11 PM »


If you think that these people would hesitate for a second to reduce us to ashes if they were to find a new, absolute weapon you are clearly mistaken.

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Yeah, they actually are not interested in anything of that nature.  Gain economic and military superiority...yes.  Wipe out the U.S....no.  That's your thinking, and the thinking of many who need to sit down and tell a psychiatrist what certain ink-blot stains look like to them.  There is something much deeper stirring in those hearts...not unlike those that perpetrated 9/11, et al...an underlying fear and hatred for others! 

I've been to China, have many, many Chinese friends both here and around the world.  They are normal people like you and me, with the same ambitions, desires, and undying love for their family.  Are there issues with the Communist government, their tactics and suppression of free speech...yes...but we are seeing that happen in the U.S. as well.  Everyone I met in China was welcoming, friendly and simply going about their day to day business of work, home, school, shopping, eating, living and dying.

It might be surprising to some that the rest of the world is really not much different than here, outside of the handful of cabals, dictators and corrupt monarchs that rule in certain regions.  People by their very nature aren't very different.  Cheers!
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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2019, 10:00:51 AM »
Well said Sanjeev! Thanks for setting the record straight in such a polite way.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2019, 11:10:19 AM »
In economic terms, what the Chinese people have achieved over the last 30 years is unprecedented and extraordinary.
But China's access to the WTO in 2001 was based on the premise that, eventually, the regime would promote economic AND political liberalism.

China is moving away from democratic rule.
The US continues to be work in progress and it is still largely a free market democracy.

Rule-bending and rule-breaking is the name of the global hegemony game but I prefer democratic regimes.

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Re: Truth of the matter
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2019, 11:11:02 AM »
I don't want to sound like a china apologist, but consider these:

1) China is not a homogeneous nation, there are 100's of local tribes, regions that have different culture, customs, language etc. If China had gone the democracy route, it would have been chaotic with tons of regional disputes. China has kept a good lid on extremist Muslim folks there. Overall the quality of life in that region has dramatically improved. What was once an impoverished nation, is now the 2nd largest economy in the world. They have lifted a billion people out of poverty to a thriving country.

This was all done without much bloodshed (yes there were deaths due to starvation, negligible )

2)  China has been the manufacturing hub for the entire world. This has allowed people in West to buy cheap crap. There are more storage units in US than sum total of all fast food restaurants. If you are a materialist, you can make an argument that people enjoy more stuff without jump in inflation. Look at inflation chart for last 60 years and the downward trajectory will coincide with rise of China.

3) If the walk the streets of Beijing, you'll be shocked by the air pollution. The Chinese have taken the brunt of this and have given better quality air/water in most of the western world. Imagine having industries running in US with labor unions, polluting the crap out of air and water !!!

4) 90% of Chinese interactions with Africa & other countries haven been to propagate their economic interest. They have given credit/money/expertise to build dams, roads etc. They are working to help build countries.


I guess to some folks in US, if you don't follow the route of invade/destroy lives& property/leave with ruin/cause PTSD for soldiers, then you are evil.