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wachtwoord

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2020, 07:54:57 AM »
Before you read anything on ZH, read this:

http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html

May all be true, still name 1 better source for news (not state propaganda) this day and age?

I read it, yet I don't leave my brain at home while doing so.

It is state propaganda, is the point. You just seem to personally prefer Russian state propaganda designed to make westerners hate and mistrust their own governments for the benefit of Putin and his mafia-state cronies.

Propaganda - truth is a spectrum. ZH is much less propaganda than any western (US or European) mainstream news outlet I've ever come across.

If (!) there's Russians behind ZH there's Russians behind ZH big deal. There are definitely groups of people behind mainstream western news outlets whose interests are not alligned with mine (or the truth).
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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2020, 07:59:33 AM »
Also, to bring this back on topic, the advice to look closely at what a person does versus what they say is generally good advice, even when Putin says it.
 

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2020, 08:01:36 AM »
Before you read anything on ZH, read this:

http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html

May all be true, still name 1 better source for news (not state propaganda) this day and age?

I read it, yet I don't leave my brain at home while doing so.

It is state propaganda, is the point. You just seem to personally prefer Russian state propaganda designed to make westerners hate and mistrust their own governments for the benefit of Putin and his mafia-state cronies.

Propaganda - truth is a spectrum. ZH is much less propaganda than any western (US or European) mainstream news outlet I've ever come across.

If (!) there's Russians behind ZH there's Russians behind ZH big deal. There are definitely groups of people behind mainstream western news outlets whose interests are not alligned with mine (or the truth).

+1 Well said.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2020, 08:45:33 AM »
Before you read anything on ZH, read this:

http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html

May all be true, still name 1 better source for news (not state propaganda) this day and age?

I read it, yet I don't leave my brain at home while doing so.

It is state propaganda, is the point. You just seem to personally prefer Russian state propaganda designed to make westerners hate and mistrust their own governments for the benefit of Putin and his mafia-state cronies.

Propaganda - truth is a spectrum. ZH is much less propaganda than any western (US or European) mainstream news outlet I've ever come across.

If (!) there's Russians behind ZH there's Russians behind ZH big deal. There are definitely groups of people behind mainstream western news outlets whose interests are not alligned with mine (or the truth).

When ZH is trying to regurgitate news, they heavily quote mainstream media that you say is inaccurate. Their latest article quotes three paragraphs from the NYT, a Sky News tweet, a SCMP tweet, some random twitter account (started in January 2020 with 3 followers), and China Economy (an account started a month ago with 100 followers). I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that the Chinese twitter account with 3 followers is actually ZH quoting themselves to make their article appear to have more authority than it actually does. The whole article is bolding select sentences in a NYT article when seen from this perspective. That's the problem with ZH. It's not a news site. I could do this with every 'news article' ZH posts. ZH is a confirmation bias honeytrap.

ZH doesn't actually engage in any journalism. Some of their articles are written by former Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson. Infowars has admitted in court that they do not publish news and they are an entertainment site. Similarly, ZH is clearly for entertainment only. You might like what the Babylon Bee writes but it's still not news/truth.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/i-cant-let-my-mom-die-home-desperate-patients-swarm-wuhan-hospital-hong-kong-closes

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2020, 08:58:43 AM »
Before you read anything on ZH, read this:

http://www.propornot.com/2016/10/zero-hedge.html

May all be true, still name 1 better source for news (not state propaganda) this day and age?

I read it, yet I don't leave my brain at home while doing so.

It is state propaganda, is the point. You just seem to personally prefer Russian state propaganda designed to make westerners hate and mistrust their own governments for the benefit of Putin and his mafia-state cronies.

Propaganda - truth is a spectrum. ZH is much less propaganda than any western (US or European) mainstream news outlet I've ever come across.

If (!) there's Russians behind ZH there's Russians behind ZH big deal. There are definitely groups of people behind mainstream western news outlets whose interests are not alligned with mine (or the truth).

When ZH is trying to regurgitate news, they heavily quote mainstream media that you say is inaccurate. Their latest article quotes three paragraphs from the NYT, a Sky News tweet, a SCMP tweet, some random twitter account (started in January 2020 with 3 followers), and China Economy (an account started a month ago with 100 followers). I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess that the Chinese twitter account with 3 followers is actually ZH quoting themselves to make their article appear to have more authority than it actually does. The whole article is bolding select sentences in a NYT article when seen from this perspective. That's the problem with ZH. It's not a news site. I could do this with every 'news article' ZH posts. ZH is a confirmation bias honeytrap.

ZH doesn't actually engage in any journalism. Some of their articles are written by former Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson. Infowars has admitted in court that they do not publish news and they are an entertainment site. Similarly, ZH is clearly for entertainment only. You might like what the Babylon Bee writes but it's still not news/truth.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/i-cant-let-my-mom-die-home-desperate-patients-swarm-wuhan-hospital-hong-kong-closes

Show me one MSM outlet that doesnít selectively quote or selectively cite information? There isnít a single outlet out there that simply lays out what happened. News does not exist anymore. Narratives do. Everything is so outlandish itís insane!
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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2020, 09:08:55 AM »
Show me one MSM outlet that doesnít selectively quote or selectively cite information? There isnít a single outlet out there that simply lays out what happened. News does not exist anymore. Narratives do. Everything is so outlandish itís insane!
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2020, 09:09:24 AM »
Totally agree. Every news site has some bias due to the writer, limitations due the trade-off between nuance and mass-appeal, and all sorts of other reasons. It's not possible to "just lay out what happened" without being accused of bias. Providing context obviously is necessary to lay out what happened, but that requires subjective judgement. Providing full detail is necessary to tell the truth, but the order you post the detail and what is or isn't considered relevant requires subjective judgement. That doesn't make something FAKE NEWS. It may lead you to prefer certain news outlets versus others, that's completely normal. There may be some annoyance with the pattern of subjective choices by certain outlets. They are often still reporting the news. Sometimes they make mistakes, but generally it's still the news. The news in the US very much exists.

All news should be confirmed, both on plausibility and among other sites. If 10 outlets all say something happened, it's likely that event occurred in at least some manner akin to the reporting (and maybe exactly as the reporting says). It's like history. Historians disagree on all sorts of nuance, but they generally agree events occurred in principle.

When I say that ZH is a bad news site, I'm not also saying you must read the Dailykos. You can get it from the Washington Times, Newsmax, Fox News, or whatever, I don't care. I have complained about the selective citation bias of those in the past in these types of conversations to make a point, but I still think they are at least credible journalistic enterprises and I read them. ZH is not credible.

Saying "news does not exist anymore" doesn't really make sense because it never existed then. News is generally more accurate today then at any point in US history.
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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2020, 09:13:33 AM »
Zerohedge almost never provides first-hand source material nor provides any value-addition. They just create a narrative out of pre-existing events.

ZH is essentially useless to those who prefer to do their own thinking.

In contrast, established journalist outlets perform their own studies, their own information gathering, their own analysis (statistical or judgmental), and present both the methodology and the results.

This is useful information because it allows the reader to draw their own conclusions.

For example, for years now the Washington Post has maintained its own dataset of police violence. This is a valuable service because it can be used to independently validate statistics which are self-reported by government sources. Both sources disclose the methodology behind their dataset construction, and you can use this to form your own opinion on the extent of police violence. This is the healthy function of a journalistic enterprise.
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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2020, 10:04:56 AM »
See what most people dont realize is that the onus falls on you the individual, not the news outlet or "propaganda machine".

Example, a major headline front page on CNN's website.

"Marco Rubio's mind-blowing explanation of his impeachment vote"

So lets look at this here.

First, why, out of all the senators and congressmen, is Rubio targeted? (answer, probably because of his party affiliation)

Now lets look at the choice of words.

mind-blowing, is deliberately used to frame the subsequent info as abnormal, extraordinary, and defying logic.

attach mind blowing to impeachment vote, with the above framing, casts a negative and dubious connotation to what his vote was(which was a NO).

So now, whats happened here is that an event occurred. But what occurred, Senate voted(or Rubio voted), was not what was reported, but rather, they've slanted the presentation to 1) insinuate that Rubio is crazy, and that 2) his vote is ridiculous

They've surrounded everything with a bias, and the intent is to brainwash the reader into thinking that such behavior is so "ridiculous", that they give no thought to the original issue, being that, "the senate voted" and are much less likely to form their own opinion.


Further, if I wanted to be extraordinary like CNN, I could easily make the case that CNN and all of its employees deserve to be treated no different than the KKK. After all, both organizations peddle narratives that encroach upon the constitutional rights and the pursuit of happiness with the respect to anyone whom disagrees with them. Both, I am sure can theoretically have "some good people" but the overall message is not one of unity but divisiveness and hatred of those whom are different. In fact, CNN regularly promotes propaganda that undermines and attacks the President of the United States, and regularly roots against American interests in order to further push their agenda.

See how easy(and dangerous) all this shit is?

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2020, 10:30:58 AM »
zerohedge is useful because it breaks news first.  However, they also lie and exaggerate.   So you are getting the news first, right and wrong, but you don't know if you can trust it.  If you really want to know, you have to verify everything they tell you.  No different than CNN, except CNN lies in a more selective information way.   I think it is a very useful data source as long as you treat it as suspect and do your own DD.