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rkbabang

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2020, 10:47:08 AM »
See what most people dont realize is that the onus falls on you the individual, not the news outlet or "propaganda machine".

Example, a major headline front page on CNN's website.

"Marco Rubio's mind-blowing explanation of his impeachment vote"

So lets look at this here.

First, why, out of all the senators and congressmen, is Rubio targeted? (answer, probably because of his party affiliation)

Now lets look at the choice of words.

mind-blowing, is deliberately used to frame the subsequent info as abnormal, extraordinary, and defying logic.

attach mind blowing to impeachment vote, with the above framing, casts a negative and dubious connotation to what his vote was(which was a NO).

So now, whats happened here is that an event occurred. But what occurred, Senate voted(or Rubio voted), was not what was reported, but rather, they've slanted the presentation to 1) insinuate that Rubio is crazy, and that 2) his vote is ridiculous

They've surrounded everything with a bias, and the intent is to brainwash the reader into thinking that such behavior is so "ridiculous", that they give no thought to the original issue, being that, "the senate voted" and are much less likely to form their own opinion.


Further, if I wanted to be extraordinary like CNN, I could easily make the case that CNN and all of its employees deserve to be treated no different than the KKK. After all, both organizations peddle narratives that encroach upon the constitutional rights and the pursuit of happiness with the respect to anyone whom disagrees with them. Both, I am sure can theoretically have "some good people" but the overall message is not one of unity but divisiveness and hatred of those whom are different. In fact, CNN regularly promotes propaganda that undermines and attacks the President of the United States, and regularly roots against American interests in order to further push their agenda.

See how easy(and dangerous) all this shit is?

I don't think you understand.  The people attacking ZH as biased agree with CNN, so that makes CNN legitimate and not biased.

As far as repeating things others report.  Have you ever seen the videos on youtube consisting of clips from multiple news outlets reporting on the same story using _EXACTLY_ the same words?  It's almost as someone scripted a narrative and told them all exactly what to say and how to say it. It is chilling how scripted the so-called "legitimate" news sources are.  When I have time I'll try to find some of these videos and I'll post them here.


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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2020, 11:20:19 AM »
I think it's funny that CNN, NYT, WSJ, ect are all untrustworthy. Unless ZH quotes them verbatim, then ZH is trustworthy...

Comments on ZH have nothing to do with political leaning. Somehow any support for large news enterprises implies you must be the most lefty person imaginable that tithes to CNN. It's exhausting to debate anything subjective that has even the smallest association with Trump.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2020, 11:33:56 AM »
I think it's funny that CNN, NYT, WSJ, ect are all untrustworthy. Unless ZH quotes them verbatim, then ZH is trustworthy...

Comments on ZH have nothing to do with political leaning. Somehow any support for large news enterprises implies you must be the most lefty person imaginable that tithes to CNN. It's exhausting to debate anything subjective that has even the smallest association with Trump.

No the right wingers are just as bad with Fox News.  I wouldn't trust ZH any more than CNN, but no less either.  CNN, MSNBC, FOX NEWS all have biases that are in the opposite direction of mine, ZH has its biases in a direction closer to mine.  That doesn't make them trustworthy, but I know why I like reading it.  You however think that the mainstream news sources are somehow more legitimate, without realizing that the only reason you think this is because their biases line up better with your own.  Newsflash, not everyone you disagree with is a Russian Asset.


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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2020, 11:34:49 AM »
I think it's funny that CNN, NYT, WSJ, ect are all untrustworthy. Unless ZH quotes them verbatim, then ZH is trustworthy...

Comments on ZH have nothing to do with political leaning. Somehow any support for large news enterprises implies you must be the most lefty person imaginable that tithes to CNN. It's exhausting to debate anything subjective that has even the smallest association with Trump.

Well the fact that ZH actually quotes and links their articles instead of rehash or copy without proper sourcing makes it better than CNN, NYT, WSJ, FOX et al.

I'm not saying ZH is amazing, in fact I agree with most of your criticisms of ZH. Still, all is relative and everything else is worse. Not many real journalists around nowadays. I mean there's wikileaks but their editor's in chief is getting tortured to death for his troubles and it doesn't publish day-to-day news.

It seems to always come back to this in a world of terrible quality. The same as with the whole Trump debate, I dislike Trump, but still consider him the best US president since Ronald Reagan. All the others were just that much worse.

I think no-free-lunch summarized nicely how ZH can be useful.

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+1 to rkbabang above. Agree with that word for word.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2020, 11:38:22 AM by wachtwoord »
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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2020, 11:47:28 AM »
If CNN, NYT, WSJ, FOX et al are writing without sourcing and ZH links to those sources to support their opinions...

That's my point about ZH support. Usually what ZH is praised for should apply to the media outlets their supporters hate (or the dislike for those outlets should be magnified on ZH for taking that work and further spinning it).

I appreciate that at least you are making an attempt to see my POV. We don't have to agree in conclusion.

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I never said Russian asset. Some guy on Twitter thinks so and some might think that opinion has merit. That's my point though. Just because I think ZH is a magnitude worse in sourcing issues relative to known media outlets and is undeservedly called a news source doesn't mean I think they are run by the FSB or that I love CNN. I only meant what I wrote.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2020, 11:59:57 AM »
Saying "news does not exist anymore" doesn't really make sense because it never existed then. News is generally more accurate today then at any point in US history.

I find it highly unlikely that real news has ever existed nor will it exist in abroad sense. Each MSM outlet certainly contributes to spreading factual information. But the other 23 hours are simply spent on rhetoric and "noise." See the top notch reporting below:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-diversity-obama/index.html

As I said.....noise and narrative. I generally only care about news that is directly related to policy and how said policy stacks up against the Constitution which in turn affects individual liberties.

Foreign news is often even worse....(Assad Syria Chemical attacks come to mind) Every single MSM news outlet loses all credibility when they go beyond regurgitation.

Donald Trump signed the blah blah blah bill today (good so far). The Bill was about this (still ok). Let take this over to Tucker Carlson for analysis or Lets head on over to Brian "endorsed Michael Avenatti" Stelter from "Reliable Sources" to give you the run down (Ding ding ding ding). THIS is where I stop watching.....I'll go read the bill myself....There is so much shit hidden in every bill anyways that no mainstream media outlet would be able to cover it all even if they were truthful.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2020, 12:28:14 PM »
I looked at a recent zerohedge article about coronavirus. The three sources were: the CDC, some random guy's Tweets, and the NY Times.

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rkbabang

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2020, 12:31:49 PM »
Saying "news does not exist anymore" doesn't really make sense because it never existed then. News is generally more accurate today then at any point in US history.

I find it highly unlikely that real news has ever existed nor will it exist in abroad sense. Each MSM outlet certainly contributes to spreading factual information. But the other 23 hours are simply spent on rhetoric and "noise." See the top notch reporting below:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-diversity-obama/index.html

As I said.....noise and narrative. I generally only care about news that is directly related to policy and how said policy stacks up against the Constitution which in turn affects individual liberties.

Foreign news is often even worse....(Assad Syria Chemical attacks come to mind) Every single MSM news outlet loses all credibility when they go beyond regurgitation.

Donald Trump signed the blah blah blah bill today (good so far). The Bill was about this (still ok). Let take this over to Tucker Carlson for analysis or Lets head on over to Brian "endorsed Michael Avenatti" Stelter from "Reliable Sources" to give you the run down (Ding ding ding ding). THIS is where I stop watching.....I'll go read the bill myself....There is so much shit hidden in every bill anyways that no mainstream media outlet would be able to cover it all even if they were truthful.

That is for the most part true, but I do think that there used to be such a thing as an "investigative reporter".  That was someone who investigated things that the ruling class may not have liked investigated.  Today most "news" is simply sourced from news conferences and press releases issued by the ruling class, taken as gospel without question and regurgitated to the public pretty much word for word.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2020, 12:40:09 PM »
Totally agree on opinion vs news wire. I wish the latter was the cash cow for media firms.

To your point on the CNN article, I find it annoying that "analysis" is sometimes used instead of opinion. Any effort to obfuscate news and opinion leads to a lot of issues. Not at all related to news but I've seen some respected investors complain about Google's ad vs search result blending that is trading near-term profits for long-term issues. It's not surprising that Reuters, NPR, C-Span, ect are often named as least biased outlets. They generally don't have the steady stream of opinion articles and TV segments next to their reporting.

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Re: Zerohedge - do what buffett says not what he does
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2020, 01:12:01 PM »
Totally agree on opinion vs news wire. I wish the latter was the cash cow for media firms.

To your point on the CNN article, I find it annoying that "analysis" is sometimes used instead of opinion. Any effort to obfuscate news and opinion leads to a lot of issues. Not at all related to news but I've seen some respected investors complain about Google's ad vs search result blending that is trading near-term profits for long-term issues. It's not surprising that Reuters, NPR, C-Span, ect are often named as least biased outlets. They generally don't have the steady stream of opinion articles and TV segments next to their reporting.
It's also because they don't have to generate a profit. So they don't have to become a circus. I mean yea, Reuters is a private enterprise, but now it has a very wealthy sugar daddy that doesn't care about squeezing a few dollars out of it and leaves it alone.

Everybody here is complaining about about CNN and FOX, i suspect the targets of the ire is driven by political beliefs more than anything else. But you could read the writing on the wall when they brought in Jeff Zucker to run it. And when it comes to FOX I'm not sure that the Murdochs are even conservatives. I have a sneaky feeling that they're just cold blooded capitalists that figured out that the circus sells better than the news and further that the righty stuff sells better than the lefty stuff.