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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5700 on: May 21, 2020, 04:56:31 PM »
One can understand the frustration of some with so much political discourse on this thread.

But how do you separate out the political aspect of the fight against COVID-19 when the man in charge of the country has made himself a major part of any discussion on the virus by consistently minimizing its threat? By his ignoring his own health experts? By refusing to wear a mask and setting a poor example for the country? By admitting to taking a drug that health experts warn against and in fact, may deprive people in need that drug?

Has not Trump made his politics and his personality a integral part of any discussion on COVID-19.

Just a thought.
Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason. - Mark Twain


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« Reply #5701 on: May 21, 2020, 05:07:09 PM »
Let's talk about Fairfax as an investment, but discussion of the CEO and how the CEO is managing the company is not permitted.   How often is Elon Musk's mental state or alleged manipulation discussed on the TSLA thread?  It isn't called 'politics' when we're trying to understand the man in charge of a corporation.
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« Reply #5702 on: May 22, 2020, 05:05:42 AM »
Let's talk about Fairfax as an investment, but discussion of the CEO and how the CEO is managing the company is not permitted.   How often is Elon Musk's mental state or alleged manipulation discussed on the TSLA thread?  It isn't called 'politics' when we're trying to understand the man in charge of a corporation.

SARS-1 happened in 2003 when (as per interview with Kim Woo-Joo) learnt of usefulness of masks with coronavirus.

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« Reply #5703 on: May 22, 2020, 05:15:51 AM »
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v1

 Twelve studies were identified with usable data to enter into calculations. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.113% to 25.9% and adjusted seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.309% to 33%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.03% to 0.50% and corrected values ranged from 0.02% to 0.40%.

He seems to have left out Spain which had higher number but included 12 studies.

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« Reply #5704 on: May 22, 2020, 05:51:04 AM »
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« Reply #5705 on: May 22, 2020, 06:40:24 AM »
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« Reply #5706 on: May 22, 2020, 06:41:58 AM »
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/adding-zinc-to-malaria-drug-mix-may-help-covid-19-patients-heal
Adding zinc to a cocktail of medicines touted by President Donald Trump may help Covid-19 patients survive and recover enough to be sent home from the hospital, according to researchers in New York City.

A group of 411 patients given zinc along with the malaria medicine hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin for five days were 44% less likely to die and 50% more likely to be discharged home than a comparison group of 521 patients who didn’t get the supplement.

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« Reply #5707 on: May 22, 2020, 06:48:56 AM »
CDC just came out with their new estimate for the infection fatality ratio (IFR) - 0.27%. Are we just dealing with something as deadly as the flu but since it's novel, it's far more easily spread?

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« Reply #5708 on: May 22, 2020, 06:56:28 AM »
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/adding-zinc-to-malaria-drug-mix-may-help-covid-19-patients-heal
Adding zinc to a cocktail of medicines touted by President Donald Trump may help Covid-19 patients survive and recover enough to be sent home from the hospital, according to researchers in New York City.

A group of 411 patients given zinc along with the malaria medicine hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin for five days were 44% less likely to die and 50% more likely to be discharged home than a comparison group of 521 patients who didn’t get the supplement.

What would the numbers be for taking zinc by itself, or for the cocktail without adding the hydroxychloroquine? 

The study says patients treated with hydrochloroquine benefit from zinc, but perhaps a more important question is whether patients treated with zinc benefit from the potentially deadly hydrochloroquine?
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« Reply #5709 on: May 22, 2020, 07:36:43 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-coronavirus-mainly-spreads-through-persontoperson-contact-and-does-not-spread-easily-on-contaminated-surfaces-153317029.html
CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces

“Based on the epidemiology, we know that the main way this virus is infecting people is from direct contact with other infected people,” Adalja says.
 “Contaminated surfaces play some role, but it’s likely much smaller.” It also makes sense, too, he says:
 “This is a respiratory virus, and respiratory viruses largely spread through breathing in infected respiratory droplets.”

The person to person contact can be minimized by not hugging, kissing, hand shaking, etc.

The respiratory droplets breathing can be reduced by masks, giving safe distance and just being outside.

All these can be done without shutting people in their homes.

In Japan, the law wont let the government mandate shelter in place.  So the government there had to request people to follow guidelines, and shut down schools.  But still they could not mandate kids not to play outside. People who could afford to shut their shops did.  People who couldnt afford to shut down ran their businesses with safeguards.  That is a much better way to treat your citizens.

But above two reasons given in the article for transmission, person-person contact, droplets can be controlled while working.

https://time.com/5830612/japan-coronavirus-golden-week/
Why Many Japanese People Are Ignoring Their Government’s Pleas to Stay Home During a Major Holiday Break

"Legally, the state of emergency can only involve requests for compliance. Violators face no penalties. There are few incentives to close shops."

You actually think us Americans were mistreated?  Was not sitting in restaurants and going to large gatherings too much to bear?  The entitlement I've seen from my American brethren is shocking.  Not willing to give up the smallest inconveniences to prevent mass death.  More deaths in 2 months than the entire Vietnam War (and closing in on WWI) but wasn't allowed to sit at an AMC and eat popcorn. 

My belief in my fellow Americans has been severely damaged in this order.  This is not the country that put a man on the moon anymore.

I am asking to follow the system that got least deaths.  Japan had 6 per million deaths, while US had 287 and UK 526 (worldometer)

There are two new antibody study results announced

Bronx had 40% Covid exposure
Stockholm had 7% exposure

Because you accused me of being irresponsible, can you remind which place had lockdown and which didn't?

Shelter in place mandates are very expensive lifewise (I am not talking money)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un-idUSKBN21Y2X7

U.N. warns economic downturn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/
Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says

I believe above suicide estimate is only for US.



https://www.nationalreview.com/news/a-years-worth-of-suicide-attempts-in-the-last-four-weeks-california-doctor-calls-for-end-to-lockdown/

The doctor in charge of a Bay Area, Calif. trauma center said the state should end its lockdown orders after an “unprecedented” spike in suicide attempts amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” Dr. Mike deBoisblanc, head of trauma at John Muir Medical Center, told local station ABC7. “I mean, we’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.” He added that he thinks “it’s time” to end the state shutdown.