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Re: Dumbdee - The Goodmans, The Bad & The Ugly - 30% of NAV bargain?
« Reply #700 on: October 29, 2020, 07:16:20 PM »
The discounted warrants brought in $60m cash. Approximately 1/3 of warrants remain outstanding.  They now have $140m cash at corporate, pretty much exactly the market cap at today's price.   


What's your point?

Just reporting the facts, ma'am. 

There is some possibility that an SIB for the common is in the works, so the relative sizes of the cash pile and market cap is of interest.

That might have some relevance if the company had no debt or prefs, and didnít burn cash. But...


You don't think the cash to market cap ratio is even relevant when the company has suggested it is contemplating a SIB and is now sitting on enough $ to safely take a substantial bite?   That's a very high bar for relevance.   

For what it's worth I don't expect they'll do a SIB for the common any time soon unless  shares crater in a market panic.   My guess is that they want to recycle the $ into new investments alongside some 3rd party capital. 



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Re: Dumbdee - The Goodmans, The Bad & The Ugly - 30% of NAV bargain?
« Reply #701 on: October 30, 2020, 01:00:30 PM »
The discounted warrants brought in $60m cash. Approximately 1/3 of warrants remain outstanding.  They now have $140m cash at corporate, pretty much exactly the market cap at today's price.   


What's your point?

Just reporting the facts, ma'am. 

There is some possibility that an SIB for the common is in the works, so the relative sizes of the cash pile and market cap is of interest.

That might have some relevance if the company had no debt or prefs, and didnít burn cash. But...


You don't think the cash to market cap ratio is even relevant when the company has suggested it is contemplating a SIB and is now sitting on enough $ to safely take a substantial bite?   That's a very high bar for relevance.   

For what it's worth I don't expect they'll do a SIB for the common any time soon unless  shares crater in a market panic.   My guess is that they want to recycle the $ into new investments alongside some 3rd party capital.

So you think they are going to do -- or even could do -- a $140MM buyback of stock? I'd assume you don't believe they will or even can do that. Which is why saying they have a 1:1 ratio of cash to market cap is meaningless.

Again, if they weren't burning cash, had liquid assets, and didn't have preferred shares, then it might have some relevance.

Cash to market cap to me is really only relevant when: 1) the company is not burning cash; 2) the company has no obligations ranking ahead of the common stock; and 3) the company is in effect winding down, or at least shrinking its size. Otherwise the bulk of that cash either cannot be used, or is going to be used for some other purpose than buying back stock.

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Re: Dumbdee - The Goodmans, The Bad & The Ugly - 30% of NAV bargain?
« Reply #702 on: October 30, 2020, 09:37:23 PM »
So you think they are going to do -- or even could do -- a $140MM buyback of stock? I'd assume you don't believe they will or even can do that. Which is why saying they have a 1:1 ratio of cash to market cap is meaningless.

Again, if they weren't burning cash, had liquid assets, and didn't have preferred shares, then it might have some relevance.

Cash to market cap to me is really only relevant when: 1) the company is not burning cash; 2) the company has no obligations ranking ahead of the common stock; and 3) the company is in effect winding down, or at least shrinking its size. Otherwise the bulk of that cash either cannot be used, or is going to be used for some other purpose than buying back stock.

Frankly it seems you're looking for an argument or still thinking I'm saying something I'm not.

The cash to cap ratio is clearly relevant in the context of an SIB.  It reflects their buyback capacity --- what fraction of the shares could (theoretically) be repurchased at today's price.   It's not all or nothing.  For instance they could manage a 20% tender at a price that might be pretty enticing for series 5 folks who were converted at $2. I'm not saying they're going to do it, but obviously if the cash/cap ratio were 1:100 then this wouldn't even be an academic possibility.  Hence relevant.

Note that I'm saying nothing about the wisdom or likelihood of them actually doing an SIB.  I think it most likely that they do not launch a large buyback but rather try to leverage the cash pile toward actually generating some money/fees.  It's clear from recent conference calls that they're well aware of their cash needs and also the softness of their other asset values.


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Re: Dumbdee - The Goodmans, The Bad & The Ugly - 30% of NAV bargain?
« Reply #703 on: November 11, 2020, 08:40:46 AM »
Now sitting on about $1.40 cash/share at the corporate level with an additional $33mm to come in if the rest of the DPM warrants are exercised by next May.



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