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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12820 on: June 28, 2019, 01:01:14 PM »
in addition to Moelis also "top stock and bond holders"

Wow, who is that? Anyone here go?


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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12822 on: June 28, 2019, 01:41:50 PM »
"JP Morgan..... Isn't this the tbtf bank that tries to kill FnF?"

I suppose that this meeting was with the investment banking folks at JPM, not there commercial lending folks...as in capital raise/stucturing...

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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12823 on: June 28, 2019, 01:42:36 PM »
in addition to Moelis also "top stock and bond holders"

Wow, who is that? Anyone here go?

I'm peeved I was not invited

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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12824 on: June 28, 2019, 02:04:44 PM »
"JP Morgan..... Isn't this the tbtf bank that tries to kill FnF?"

I suppose that this meeting was with the investment banking folks at JPM, not there commercial lending folks...as in capital raise/stucturing...


These guys help each other out though. The great wall between these departments is just fake.
Iíd rather trust more if they are talking to Goldman for this IPO, but it is also possible that they need all banks to work together for such a huge raise.

I have a feeling that today maybe the low of this prolonged slide, but I donít trade on feelings.
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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12825 on: June 28, 2019, 02:12:47 PM »
@MM

nope.  these underwriting fees will make the investment bankers' decade. 
« Last Edit: June 28, 2019, 02:28:56 PM by cherzeca »

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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12826 on: June 28, 2019, 02:29:00 PM »
I think the more important read through here is how granular the WH plan will be that is released and how fast things move. I think bringing in investment banks to discuss about an IPO is pretty telling about both. If things were going to take a while/drag and we were going to be playing more guessing games WH could easily put out a generic framework and leave us hanging once again. Talking with investment banks before the plan is out IMO says the plan will include "mile markers" for recapitalization as well as probably more specifics then we think about how much and when the captial raise will all happen.
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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12827 on: June 28, 2019, 03:22:08 PM »
...and Moelis is essentially Paulson. Paulson is close to getting his payback for supporting Trump early before the election.

 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/john-paulson-trump-favor-to-ask

This and Mnuchin has been why this will happen since the day after the election.

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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12828 on: June 28, 2019, 03:46:56 PM »
I think the more important read through here is how granular the WH plan will be that is released and how fast things move. I think bringing in investment banks to discuss about an IPO is pretty telling about both. If things were going to take a while/drag and we were going to be playing more guessing games WH could easily put out a generic framework and leave us hanging once again. Talking with investment banks before the plan is out IMO says the plan will include "mile markers" for recapitalization as well as probably more specifics then we think about how much and when the captial raise will all happen.

agreed.  I cant imagine JPM would hold this kind of meeting unless it has gotten a mandate, guessing from treasury. 

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Re: FNMA and FMCC preferreds. In search of the elusive 10 bagger.
« Reply #12829 on: June 28, 2019, 06:34:43 PM »
I think the more important read through here is how granular the WH plan will be that is released and how fast things move. I think bringing in investment banks to discuss about an IPO is pretty telling about both. If things were going to take a while/drag and we were going to be playing more guessing games WH could easily put out a generic framework and leave us hanging once again. Talking with investment banks before the plan is out IMO says the plan will include "mile markers" for recapitalization as well as probably more specifics then we think about how much and when the captial raise will all happen.

agreed.  I cant imagine JPM would hold this kind of meeting unless it has gotten a mandate, guessing from treasury.

What just came to mind for me, and this has probably already been long decided, but does Mnuchin look across the table to Moelis (Paulson) and tell them they are getting unfavorable terms for their preferred shares? Whats the answer that best compensates Paulson for his early support/donations/and advisement? Now true we do not know if Paulson has bought common and is working that angle but he was only prfd when his quarterly report circulated a couple years back. Moelis is Paulson. Notice Ackman, Berkowitz dont have an inside seat the table. True they both stand to benefit and may put more capital to work in the offering but IMO this is an agreement between Paulson/Trump/Mnuchin that was made a long time ago finally coming together.