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Title: Login over http
Post by: wisowis on October 27, 2019, 08:02:39 AM
It bothers me that this board continues to use the insecure http protocol.

You can actually connect to https, but clicking on any link redirects you back to http.

This site should switch to secure protocols, please read (from 2016!): https://blog.mozilla.org/tanvi/2016/01/28/no-more-passwords-over-http-please/
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Sunrider on October 29, 2019, 03:17:33 AM
Supported.

Sanjeev - is that an easy adjustment?
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on October 29, 2019, 05:13:57 AM
Very easy.

It requires the purchase & installation of an SSL certificate.

I'd contribute to the minuscule cost.

https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=555034.0
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on October 29, 2019, 06:40:13 AM
Very easy.

It requires the purchase & installation of an SSL certificate.

I'd contribute to the minuscule cost.

https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=555034.0

They already have a certificate that is valid. It's probably just a setting in the board software that needs to be turned on so that it defaults to HTTPS (probably dynamically changing all the navigation links, which are currently HTTP).
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Castanza on October 29, 2019, 06:42:24 AM
I agree, this has bothered me for quite some time as well. You can get a EV SSL Certificate from Comodo for a few hundred a year. You probably don't even need that level as there is really only one payment transaction, but for the minimal cost more it wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: stevevri on October 29, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
https://letsencrypt.org/ is free for a SSL certificate. No need to pay.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: mranski on October 29, 2019, 10:09:21 AM
Thanks. I was not aware of this. Let’s get this fixed.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Sunrider on October 29, 2019, 04:31:17 PM
Pinging Sanjeev ....?
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: John Hjorth on October 29, 2019, 05:20:43 PM
Pinging Sanjeev ....?

Take it easy, Sanjeev is a busy person. [ ;- ) ]

Edit:

I've just reported my own [this] post to Sanjeev.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Parsad on October 29, 2019, 09:17:32 PM
Yo, bros...keep your pants on.  COBF is going to be going a redevelopment over the next 6-8 months...thus why I haven't made certain upgrades, etc.  It costs money to do a complete revamp!

It will look

- completely different
- more modern
- something I can actually treat more as a media website, rather than simply a message board
- but the message board feature will be safe, and all existing posts transported over
- including the section you love so much "Politics"...but it will be in its own play-pen, so you don't have to look at it if you don't want to. 

It will have more features, and all of the little "ignore" features you guys are looking for.  Better security features.

And yes, hats and t-shirts are coming, so that you guys can identify yourselves as the cult-nutjobs you are when you hold your city get togethers or go to Toronto or Omaha.

Lots more as we add features, etc and redevelop COBF!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: LC on October 29, 2019, 09:31:41 PM
Should be interesting, thanks for the update Sanj
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on October 30, 2019, 05:27:55 AM
Yo, bros...keep your pants on.  COBF is going to be going a redevelopment over the next 6-8 months...thus why I haven't made certain upgrades, etc.  It costs money to do a complete revamp!


And yes, hats and t-shirts are coming, so that you guys can identify yourselves as the cult-nutjobs you are when you hold your city get togethers or go to Toronto or Omaha.

Lots more as we add features, etc and redevelop COBF!  Cheers!

Finally, my role here is acknowledged.

 ;D
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on October 30, 2019, 10:47:16 AM
Yo, bros...keep your pants on.  COBF is going to be going a redevelopment over the next 6-8 months...thus why I haven't made certain upgrades, etc.  It costs money to do a complete revamp!

It will look

- completely different
- more modern
- something I can actually treat more as a media website, rather than simply a message board
- but the message board feature will be safe, and all existing posts transported over
- including the section you love so much "Politics"...but it will be in its own play-pen, so you don't have to look at it if you don't want to. 

It will have more features, and all of the little "ignore" features you guys are looking for.  Better security features.

And yes, hats and t-shirts are coming, so that you guys can identify yourselves as the cult-nutjobs you are when you hold your city get togethers or go to Toronto or Omaha.

Lots more as we add features, etc and redevelop COBF!  Cheers!

Thanks!

Online communities are pretty fragile, so I'd just encourage caution in the changes made to the format. I've seen it over and over again in my time on the internet over these past 25 years. There's a big change, almost everything is different, maybe it looks better but for some unforeseen reasons doesn't work as well or is too slow or there's some new UX annoyance, and there's a massive exodus or usage drops significantly and it's a spiral (fewer people contribute, so fewer people come to read, so fewer new people join, and so on). Happened to Digg, once one of the most popular sites on the internet, after a redesign that users didn't like.

Not saying anything is going to happen, but your mention of the total redesign has brought back these memories, so I thought I'd mention it so it's on the radar.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: oddballstocks on October 30, 2019, 11:43:24 AM
Yo, bros...keep your pants on.  COBF is going to be going a redevelopment over the next 6-8 months...thus why I haven't made certain upgrades, etc.  It costs money to do a complete revamp!

It will look

- completely different
- more modern
- something I can actually treat more as a media website, rather than simply a message board
- but the message board feature will be safe, and all existing posts transported over
- including the section you love so much "Politics"...but it will be in its own play-pen, so you don't have to look at it if you don't want to. 

It will have more features, and all of the little "ignore" features you guys are looking for.  Better security features.

And yes, hats and t-shirts are coming, so that you guys can identify yourselves as the cult-nutjobs you are when you hold your city get togethers or go to Toronto or Omaha.

Lots more as we add features, etc and redevelop COBF!  Cheers!

Thanks!

Online communities are pretty fragile, so I'd just encourage caution in the changes made to the format. I've seen it over and over again in my time on the internet over these past 25 years. There's a big change, almost everything is different, maybe it looks better but for some unforeseen reasons doesn't work as well or is too slow or there's some new UX annoyance, and there's a massive exodus or usage drops significantly and it's a spiral (fewer people contribute, so fewer people come to read, so fewer new people join, and so on). Happened to Digg, once one of the most popular sites on the internet, after a redesign that users didn't like.

Not saying anything is going to happen, but your mention of the total redesign has brought back these memories, so I thought I'd mention it so it's on the radar.

100% this

Used to visit a site AnalystForum.com religiously.  There was some great stock picking banter on there, CFA banter etc.  It was easy to search, easy to use.  They "modernized it", which meant less information dense, more ads, more disconnected.  I haven't visited in years.  The site used to have thousands of posters, last visit it appeared to be mostly dead.

There are other sites that I used to use that have been similar, a shame really.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on October 30, 2019, 11:54:07 AM
100% this

Used to visit a site AnalystForum.com religiously.  There was some great stock picking banter on there, CFA banter etc.  It was easy to search, easy to use.  They "modernized it", which meant less information dense, more ads, more disconnected.  I haven't visited in years.  The site used to have thousands of posters, last visit it appeared to be mostly dead.

There are other sites that I used to use that have been similar, a shame really.

This mostly happened to me with music forums, back in the day.

Usually, they went from an old-school but super functional and fast boards to more "modern" but really slow and with lots of white space and low information-density things that were made to look good on a static mockup but not be clicked around on 100 times a day, and then died..
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: John Hjorth on October 30, 2019, 12:09:00 PM
Please stay open-minded to change! [ : - ) ]

- - - o 0 o - - -

About five years ago - or so - I was very close to give up posting here on CoBF. The problem then [for me] was the WYSIWYG editor built in to the board. It has taken me a lot of effort to "understand" and "decode" the simple Machines Forum software bugs [<- There are many!] - to use high level BB Code in my postings.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: rkbabang on October 30, 2019, 12:12:30 PM
Thanks Sanjeev for Making the Corner Great Again.   Can't wait for the MCGA hats!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Castanza on October 30, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
I have to agree. The simplicity of this site is what appeals to me. No fuss straight forward raw information. It's a lot like the old SiliconInvestor site but with much more streamline functionality. One thing I really like is the lack of ability to "like" or "dislike" others posts. I think it encourages more conversation rather than some forums like Reddit that skew good and bad information.

Either way I'm sure Sanjeev will make the right decision.

Edit: Will buy a T-shirt for sure.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on October 30, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Please stay open-minded to change! [ : - ) ]

- - - o 0 o - - -

About five years ago - or so - I was very close to give up posting here on CoBF. The problem then [for me] was the WYSIWYG editor built in to the board. It has taken me a lot of effort to "understand" and "decode" the simple Machines Forum software bugs [<- There are many!] - to use high level BB Code in my postings.

I'm open-minded to change. I'm also aware of potential pitfalls. Both things are no incompatible.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: NoCalledStrikes on October 30, 2019, 04:07:32 PM

I love the ability to read 10 or so posts on a page simply by scrolling. It's the ease of use that drives content creation.  Solutions that require a click for each post drive me bonkers, but I'm sure that would bother Sanjeev too so I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Parsad on October 30, 2019, 05:24:55 PM
Don't worry, the message board itself will remain the same or very similar.  Ease of use will be the primary factor. 

Most of the changes will be around the rest of the content, utility, having guest contributors, the overall feel of how the COBF community developed over 18 years, and an upgraded more modern look and feel. 

Cheers!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on October 31, 2019, 06:48:38 AM
Don't worry, the message board itself will remain the same or very similar.  Ease of use will be the primary factor. 

Most of the changes will be around the rest of the content, utility, having guest contributors, the overall feel of how the COBF community developed over 18 years, and an upgraded more modern look and feel. 

Cheers!

Sounds great, thank you for all the work that you do for this community!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Jurgis on October 31, 2019, 11:44:14 AM
I see the site switched to https.

It seems like comment editing is broken though. I can post comment. But when I try to post edited comment, "Save" button throws up warning and pressing "Continue" does not post the edited changes.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Spekulatius on October 31, 2019, 01:26:52 PM
I see the site switched to https.

It seems like comment editing is broken though. I can post comment. But when I try to post edited comment, "Save" button throws up warning and pressing "Continue" does not post the edited changes.

Same here.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: StubbleJumper on October 31, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
I see the site switched to https.

It seems like comment editing is broken though. I can post comment. But when I try to post edited comment, "Save" button throws up warning and pressing "Continue" does not post the edited changes.


Whew!  Now I can sleep well at night because obviously I use the same password for COBF as I do for all of my financial accounts!  Given the angst and hand-wringing about HTTPS, it would seem that I am one of many who just uses one single password for all of my accounts.   :P


SJ
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on November 01, 2019, 06:26:32 AM
I see the site switched to https.

It seems like comment editing is broken though. I can post comment. But when I try to post edited comment, "Save" button throws up warning and pressing "Continue" does not post the edited changes.


Whew!  Now I can sleep well at night because obviously I use the same password for COBF as I do for all of my financial accounts!  Given the angst and hand-wringing about HTTPS, it would seem that I am one of many who just uses one single password for all of my accounts.   :P


SJ

The problem is that increasingly, all browsers will stop supporting plaintext connections, so the switch had to be made if only for that reason.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: LC on November 01, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
While we are somewhat on the topic of forum improvements, there is one item that has been bugging me for a while.

When posting images using the (img)(/img) tags, many times the resulting image size is simply too large to be displayed reasonable in a browser window. So instead of actually inserting the image I would just paste the link, which opens up another browser tab.

It's not a big deal, but is it possible to incorporate some scaling factor to reduce the size by X% and therefore make it comfortably visible?

I'm not sure if it's even feasible but I just thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: rkbabang on November 01, 2019, 09:26:22 AM
While we are somewhat on the topic of forum improvements, there is one item that has been bugging me for a while.

When posting images using the (img)(/img) tags, many times the resulting image size is simply too large to be displayed reasonable in a browser window. So instead of actually inserting the image I would just paste the link, which opens up another browser tab.

It's not a big deal, but is it possible to incorporate some scaling factor to reduce the size by X% and therefore make it comfortably visible?

I'm not sure if it's even feasible but I just thought I'd mention it.

You can put size tags on it.  img width=400 or something like that. 

Example here is a picture with width=400:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/140/323394028_ef62985d59_b.jpg)

here it is with no width tag:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/140/323394028_ef62985d59_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 01, 2019, 09:36:18 AM
While we are somewhat on the topic of forum improvements, there is one item that has been bugging me for a while.

When posting images using the (img)(/img) tags, many times the resulting image size is simply too large to be displayed reasonable in a browser window. So instead of actually inserting the image I would just paste the link, which opens up another browser tab.

It's not a big deal, but is it possible to incorporate some scaling factor to reduce the size by X% and therefore make it comfortably visible?

I'm not sure if it's even feasible but I just thought I'd mention it.

You can put size tags on it.  img width=400 or something like that. 

Example here is a picture with width=400:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/140/323394028_ef62985d59_b.jpg)

here it is with no width tag:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/140/323394028_ef62985d59_b.jpg)

that guy has an honest face
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: LC on November 01, 2019, 09:46:03 AM
rk, thank you very much!

Also, I see the "tell me a joke" thread is increasing it's presence :D :D
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: rkbabang on November 01, 2019, 10:03:00 AM
rk, thank you very much!

Also, I see the "tell me a joke" thread is increasing it's presence :D :D

:)   No problem.  If you search for "bulletin board code" you can get options for any of the tags.  Like this page:

https://www.solveigmm.com/forum/index.php?action=help;area=bbcode



Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: thowed on November 04, 2019, 05:50:30 AM

This mostly happened to me with music forums, back in the day.

Usually, they went from an old-school but super functional and fast boards to more "modern" but really slow and with lots of white space and low information-density things that were made to look good on a static mockup but not be clicked around on 100 times a day, and then died..

Don't suppose you were on the Hollertronix board?

I've always had a slight curiosity if there's any crossover between the music boards I hung out on, and here.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on November 04, 2019, 06:23:33 AM

This mostly happened to me with music forums, back in the day.

Usually, they went from an old-school but super functional and fast boards to more "modern" but really slow and with lots of white space and low information-density things that were made to look good on a static mockup but not be clicked around on 100 times a day, and then died..

Don't suppose you were on the Hollertronix board?

I've always had a slight curiosity if there's any crossover between the music boards I hung out on, and here.

No, not familiar with that one.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 04, 2019, 02:11:23 PM

This mostly happened to me with music forums, back in the day.

Usually, they went from an old-school but super functional and fast boards to more "modern" but really slow and with lots of white space and low information-density things that were made to look good on a static mockup but not be clicked around on 100 times a day, and then died..

Don't suppose you were on the Hollertronix board?

I've always had a slight curiosity if there's any crossover between the music boards I hung out on, and here.

What kind of discussion is going on at these music boards?
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: John Hjorth on November 04, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
What kind of discussion is going on at these music boards?

Naturally, such kind of exchange of information is subject to all kinds of censorship here on CoBF. Don't get any ideas! - You stay here!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 04, 2019, 03:09:47 PM
What kind of discussion is going on at these music boards?

Naturally, such kind of exchange of information is subject to all kinds of censorship here on CoBF. Don't get any ideas! - You stay here!

I don't add much to financial discussions here (surprise), but I get a ton of
value from reading all you guys, so I'll be hanging around for a while, and
occasionally throwing my bent, f'ed up, 2 pennies in.

I'm curious about what kind of music boards Liberty visits.

Are there some good theoretical & practical discussions going on about
popular music of the present & past (I'd find that super helpful & would
be able to contribute bigly)?
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: LC on November 04, 2019, 03:11:42 PM
Anyone interested audio gear, particularly vintage gear, should check out the audiokarma forums.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 04, 2019, 03:21:12 PM
Anyone interested audio gear, particularly vintage gear, should check out the audiokarma forums.

Nice.

This is one I've just started browsing.

https://www.keyboardforums.com
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on November 05, 2019, 06:29:26 AM
What kind of discussion is going on at these music boards?

Naturally, such kind of exchange of information is subject to all kinds of censorship here on CoBF. Don't get any ideas! - You stay here!

I don't add much to financial discussions here (surprise), but I get a ton of
value from reading all you guys, so I'll be hanging around for a while, and
occasionally throwing my bent, f'ed up, 2 pennies in.

I'm curious about what kind of music boards Liberty visits.

Are there some good theoretical & practical discussions going on about
popular music of the present & past (I'd find that super helpful & would
be able to contribute bigly)?

I don't frequent music forums anymore, but I used to be very active on a few in the late 90s and early 2000s. Some were about underground metal ((death metal, black metal, grindcore, industrial, various scandinavian sub-genres, etc), and some were more general, covering folk, jazz, classical, electronic, rock, fusion, prog, etc, and all the various crossbreedings.

Mostly about sharing with others good albums we discovered, getting recommendations, reviewing albums, etc.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 07, 2019, 05:25:06 AM
Here's a great forum with up to date discussions about Yamaha keys & synths.

http://www.motifator.com

I've been researching a keyboard upgrade for months & have settled on the MOXF8 instead of the newer MODX8.

For some reason, Yamaha cut the sequencer out of the MODX & you have to use a DAW for this function.
The MOXF still has an internal sequencer so there's no need to have a laptop open during performances.

The sequencer allows you to specify voice changes on the keyboard at specific measures / beats.

This is a really nice feature to have & you can get it for $1000 +/-  new or used.

Yamaha beats Roland IMO unless you want that fully weighted spongy key bed feel.
Personally, I like the lighter "graded hammer action" of the Yamaha keyboards.
The Yamaha key bed is in between a fully weighted & synth action.

Anyone on here play?
Guitar, bass, keys, other?

I'd love to work up a Weird Al styled set list with rejiggered finance related lyrics, for Warren & Charlie.
We could spam the crap out of Omaha until they relent & let us play at an AGM!
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: rkbabang on November 07, 2019, 06:45:35 AM
Here's a great forum with up to date discussions about Yamaha keys & synths.

http://www.motifator.com

I've been researching a keyboard upgrade for months & have settled on the MOXF8 instead of the newer MODX8.

For some reason, Yamaha cut the sequencer out of the MODX & you have to use a DAW for this function.
The MOXF still has an internal sequencer so there's no need to have a laptop open during performances.

The sequencer allows you to specify voice changes on the keyboard at specific measures / beats.

This is a really nice feature to have & you can get it for $1000 +/-  new or used.

Yamaha beats Roland IMO unless you want that fully weighted spongy key bed feel.
Personally, I like the lighter "graded hammer action" of the Yamaha keyboards.
The Yamaha key bed is in between a fully weighted & synth action.

Anyone on here play?
Guitar, bass, keys, other?

I'd love to work up a Weird Al styled set list with rejiggered finance related lyrics, for Warren & Charlie.
We could spam the crap out of Omaha until they relent & let us play at an AGM!

I used to play bass a long time ago (like mid 1980s to early 1990s) and fooled around with piano/keyboards, but wouldn't say I ever played keys all that well.   I haven't picked up my bass in years but I still have all of my mid-1980s equipment: an Ibanez RB bass, Roland Juno 60 synth, and 3 Peavey TKO amps with 15" woofers (I used 2 wired together for my BASS and the other for my Juno 60).  I played in a cover band in highschool and 1st 2 years of college and we played out a little in southeastern MA/providence RI area, but mostly just jammed for fun or at parties.  I moved away for my 3rd year of college and haven't really played since.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: oddballstocks on November 07, 2019, 07:20:57 AM
I used to hang out on harmony central a LOT back in the late 90s early 2000s.  Same as everyone else, reviewing albums, talking about dream band setups.

In 99-2000 I was on a really active Pink Floyd and Rush newsgroup.  They orchestrated meetups and live events.

My brother took it to the next level, learned bass, became a professional, toured the world, played on the Tonight Show etc.  Now he has a nice side business buying and selling vintage gear.  He'll do normal stuff (vintage guitar/bass) here and there, but makes coin on vintage synths and really weird vintage recording gear.  He's still active on a ton of gear and music sites.

He has some awesome stories.  I remember one, he sold some vintage amp or bass to a forum member.  The buyer was relatively close so my brother said he'd deliver it.  He ends up at some law firm, a partner purchased the amp.  The guy was so excited he plugged the thing in in his office, hooked up a bass on the wall and they started jamming out in the middle of the work day.  What I love about that story is the buyer and my brother would not be a natural connection, but they had a shared interest and a great time.

Another story about gear.  My brother left music and went into sales, he had a boss who had a sizable guitar flipping business on the side.  He purchased Mexican Strats on craigslist, cleaned them and flipped them on craigslist at a 30-50% markup.  He cleared $2-3k a weekend doing this in LA.  I believe he purchased during the week and sold on the weekends.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Liberty on November 07, 2019, 09:29:14 AM
I used to hang out on harmony central a LOT back in the late 90s early 2000s.  Same as everyone else, reviewing albums, talking about dream band setups.

In 99-2000 I was on a really active Pink Floyd and Rush newsgroup.  They orchestrated meetups and live events.

My brother took it to the next level, learned bass, became a professional, toured the world, played on the Tonight Show etc.  Now he has a nice side business buying and selling vintage gear.  He'll do normal stuff (vintage guitar/bass) here and there, but makes coin on vintage synths and really weird vintage recording gear.  He's still active on a ton of gear and music sites.

He has some awesome stories.  I remember one, he sold some vintage amp or bass to a forum member.  The buyer was relatively close so my brother said he'd deliver it.  He ends up at some law firm, a partner purchased the amp.  The guy was so excited he plugged the thing in in his office, hooked up a bass on the wall and they started jamming out in the middle of the work day.  What I love about that story is the buyer and my brother would not be a natural connection, but they had a shared interest and a great time.

Another story about gear.  My brother left music and went into sales, he had a boss who had a sizable guitar flipping business on the side.  He purchased Mexican Strats on craigslist, cleaned them and flipped them on craigslist at a 30-50% markup.  He cleared $2-3k a weekend doing this in LA.  I believe he purchased during the week and sold on the weekends.

Cool stories. Thanks for sharing.

I played guitar for a while, but I always was more an appreciator of music than a musician. I think my syneshtesia might make it harder for me to hear/visualize pitch the way others do (it's not so ordered for me, more a jumble of shapes and colors), and that was always a hindrance learning more advanced techniques and figuring things by ear. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: rkbabang on November 07, 2019, 10:23:18 AM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: Spekulatius on November 07, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
My son plays piano. He actually plays on a Roland F-120 digital piano. It worked well for us since we moved 2 times (first time from the west coast to the East coast). I chose it, because it was had the most piano like action I could find on a digital piano for the low cost.
He also plays Sax (Alto sax) for a coupe of years and plays at the schools Jazz band. He got the hang of it quite good (played at an open Mike night at school) and recently hit us up for a better Sax. He has a Yamaha Yas23 , which we bought used when hr started and now seems ready for a better instrument
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 07, 2019, 07:01:25 PM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.

Was it AMD?
Title: Re: Login over http
Post by: DooDiligence on November 07, 2019, 07:07:32 PM
I used to hang out on harmony central a LOT back in the late 90s early 2000s.  Same as everyone else, reviewing albums, talking about dream band setups.

In 99-2000 I was on a really active Pink Floyd and Rush newsgroup.  They orchestrated meetups and live events.

My brother took it to the next level, learned bass, became a professional, toured the world, played on the Tonight Show etc.  Now he has a nice side business buying and selling vintage gear.  He'll do normal stuff (vintage guitar/bass) here and there, but makes coin on vintage synths and really weird vintage recording gear.  He's still active on a ton of gear and music sites.

He has some awesome stories.  I remember one, he sold some vintage amp or bass to a forum member.  The buyer was relatively close so my brother said he'd deliver it.  He ends up at some law firm, a partner purchased the amp.  The guy was so excited he plugged the thing in in his office, hooked up a bass on the wall and they started jamming out in the middle of the work day.  What I love about that story is the buyer and my brother would not be a natural connection, but they had a shared interest and a great time.

Another story about gear.  My brother left music and went into sales, he had a boss who had a sizable guitar flipping business on the side.  He purchased Mexican Strats on craigslist, cleaned them and flipped them on craigslist at a 30-50% markup.  He cleared $2-3k a weekend doing this in LA.  I believe he purchased during the week and sold on the weekends.

Guitar flipping makes it sound fun.
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Post by: DooDiligence on November 07, 2019, 07:11:35 PM
I used to hang out on harmony central a LOT back in the late 90s early 2000s.  Same as everyone else, reviewing albums, talking about dream band setups.

In 99-2000 I was on a really active Pink Floyd and Rush newsgroup.  They orchestrated meetups and live events.

My brother took it to the next level, learned bass, became a professional, toured the world, played on the Tonight Show etc.  Now he has a nice side business buying and selling vintage gear.  He'll do normal stuff (vintage guitar/bass) here and there, but makes coin on vintage synths and really weird vintage recording gear.  He's still active on a ton of gear and music sites.

He has some awesome stories.  I remember one, he sold some vintage amp or bass to a forum member.  The buyer was relatively close so my brother said he'd deliver it.  He ends up at some law firm, a partner purchased the amp.  The guy was so excited he plugged the thing in in his office, hooked up a bass on the wall and they started jamming out in the middle of the work day.  What I love about that story is the buyer and my brother would not be a natural connection, but they had a shared interest and a great time.

Another story about gear.  My brother left music and went into sales, he had a boss who had a sizable guitar flipping business on the side.  He purchased Mexican Strats on craigslist, cleaned them and flipped them on craigslist at a 30-50% markup.  He cleared $2-3k a weekend doing this in LA.  I believe he purchased during the week and sold on the weekends.

Cool stories. Thanks for sharing.

I played guitar for a while, but I always was more an appreciator of music than a musician. I think my syneshtesia might make it harder for me to hear/visualize pitch the way others do (it's not so ordered for me, more a jumble of shapes and colors), and that was always a hindrance learning more advanced techniques and figuring things by ear. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pitches are a bitch.

https://youtu.be/ihvK7MH5BOg
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Post by: rkbabang on November 08, 2019, 05:56:55 AM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.

Was it AMD?

No.  I still work at the company (or rather I should say, I now work there again), so I'd rather not say.   Ticker does start with an A though.  Followed by a D and an I.   That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.
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Post by: Liberty on November 08, 2019, 06:57:59 AM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.

Was it AMD?

No.  I still work at the company (or rather I should say, I now work there again), so I'd rather not say.   Ticker does start with an A though.  Followed by a D and an I.   That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.

Oh, so you're an analog engineer. Nice. We should talk about that at some point. Also interesting how management in the space seems to be pretty rational about capital allocation..
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Post by: rkbabang on November 08, 2019, 07:30:17 AM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.

Was it AMD?

No.  I still work at the company (or rather I should say, I now work there again), so I'd rather not say.   Ticker does start with an A though.  Followed by a D and an I.   That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.

Oh, so you're an analog engineer. Nice. We should talk about that at some point. Also interesting how management in the space seems to be pretty rational about capital allocation..

Ha, that's a reasonable guess but no.  I'm actually a digital design engineer who has always worked at analog companies.   It's a small niche I've gotten into which has worked out very well for me over the years.   It is actually hard to find digital guys with experience working on big-analog, little digital mixed signal chips.  When you are the only digital guy working on a chip, you have to do everything from systems design, to RTL, to DFT, to all implementation and verification.  When you talk to digital engineers from big digital companies they specialize in one or two narrow areas and don't have experience with the whole design process and tools from front to back.
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Post by: Liberty on November 08, 2019, 07:34:05 AM
Ha, that's a reasonable guess but no.  I'm actually a digital design engineer who has always worked at analog companies.   It's a small niche I've gotten into which has worked out very well for me over the years.   It is actually hard to find digital guys with experience working on big-analog, little digital mixed signal chips.  When you are the only digital guy working on a chip, you have to do everything from systems design, to RTL, to DFT, to all implementation and verification.  When you talk to digital engineers from big digital companies they specialize in one or two narrow areas and don't have experience with the whole design process and tools from front to back.

That's cool. I won't ask about your company just in case that could get you in trouble, but I'm curious to know what you think of the closest analog (bad pun), TXN?
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Post by: rkbabang on November 08, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
Ha, that's a reasonable guess but no.  I'm actually a digital design engineer who has always worked at analog companies.   It's a small niche I've gotten into which has worked out very well for me over the years.   It is actually hard to find digital guys with experience working on big-analog, little digital mixed signal chips.  When you are the only digital guy working on a chip, you have to do everything from systems design, to RTL, to DFT, to all implementation and verification.  When you talk to digital engineers from big digital companies they specialize in one or two narrow areas and don't have experience with the whole design process and tools from front to back.

That's cool. I won't ask about your company just in case that could get you in trouble, but I'm curious to know what you think of the closest analog (bad pun), TXN?


I don't own TXN, but my company is about 10% of my portfolio.  I never buy my company either because my holdings come from stock rewards, but I do keep a certain amount rather than just selling everything.  TI is a lot larger and less room for growth.   And maybe I'm biased but I think where we do overlap our products are better.  You are correct though about the analog space being fairly conservatively and intelligently managed.   You could do worse than investing in either company.  I've owned Synopsys before as well, and have been looking at them again recently, which is a design tools company that most of the chip companies use.  An invest in the picks & shovels strategy.
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Post by: DooDiligence on November 08, 2019, 08:14:51 AM
Funny story about playing music.  I'm a chip designer and the small group I was a member of in the late 90s was half in New England and half the people in Texas.
 This was inside of a very large US company, which is now a Fortune 500 company.  Anyway the Texas half of the group had this idea that only musicians made good engineers, so whenever they interviewed anyone they would casually ask if they played any instruments and would only hire people who did.  Word eventually got out that they were doing this and they were ordered quite strongly to stop it.

Was it AMD?

No.  I still work at the company (or rather I should say, I now work there again), so I'd rather not say.   Ticker does start with an A though.  Followed by a D and an I.   That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.

My Dad worked for AMD a long time ago & the office had a disproportionate number of impressive (yet largely unknown) musicians.
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Post by: Spekulatius on November 08, 2019, 10:49:31 AM

That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.

I guess the music stopped at some point.
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Post by: rkbabang on November 08, 2019, 11:53:18 AM

That team in Texas that was doing this no longer exists though, they didn't survive the 2000 crash.

I guess the music stopped at some point.


The day the music died.