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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muscleman on October 08, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
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While I think the thread below is probably helpful to members, I think maybe a thread called "what are you selling today?" will also be helpful. This is not for selling short. Just selling.
http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/what-are-you-buying-today/
There could be a few reasons for selling:
1. You just found a better opportunity. Please tell us why.
2. You made an investment mistake. Please tell us the story. What was your original thesis and what is your current expectation.
3. You made a handsome profit on an investment, and you are exiting because it has reached your price target. Congrats on that! It will be great if you could share with us some stories about this investment. Now in hindsight, do you think this is pure luck, or it is your hard working being paid off, and why?
4. Exiting a position due to a corporate event and/or loss of faith in management or the major shareholders.
:)
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haven't sold anything for a while, looking to deploy the 40% or so in cash that i have burning in my pocket.
the tax man clouded my judgement and prevent me from selling more stock recently (the tax bill is getting too high)
still looking for the opportunity to deploy more cash
EDIT: anyone with a HIGH conviction opportunity?
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muscleman,
Allow me to add a 4th reason by way of recent experience - exiting a position due to a corporate event and/or loss of faith in management or the major shareholders.
I bought preferred shares in Oi via the ADR (OIBR) in August thanks to Packer's sage advice and my own research leading me to believe that Zeinal Bava, the CEO, was indeed an excellent manager and that the company had excellent growth prospects. The stock proceeded to go up around 50% from my entry point in about a month, declared a reduced but still handsome dividend and I was happy to hold the investment for a few years to allow it to realize its full value
Last week they announced they are doing a rights ofering which is 125% of the current MV of their equity PLUS they are combining with their parent Portugal Telecom by buying PT's assets for a lot more than book value and at a very bad EUR/BRL exchange rate. This all resulted in me being diluted around 50% of an FCF basis, but as I wrote at the time on the Oi thread, I decided to exit because do not want to partner with those out to fleece me.
I was ready to sell once trading opened thinking that the shares must trade down BUT to my surprise the pre-market was positive, so I followed the shares upward through the day and sold towards the end of the day close to the daily high. After the unexplained euphoria of that day's trading the market finally realized how bad the deal was for Oi shareholders and the shares lost 30% in a few days.
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muscleman,
Allow me to add a 4th reason by way of recent experience - exiting a position due to a corporate event and/or loss of faith in management or the major shareholders.
I bought preferred shares in Oi via the ADR (OIBR) in August thanks to Packer's sage advice and my own research leading me to believe that Zeinal Bava, the CEO, was indeed an excellent manager and that the company had excellent growth prospects. The stock proceeded to go up around 50% from my entry point in about a month, declared a reduced but still handsome dividend and I was happy to hold the investment for a few years to allow it to realize its full value
Last week they announced they are doing a rights ofering which is 125% of the current MV of their equity PLUS they are combining with their parent Portugal Telecom by buying PT's assets for a lot more than book value and at a very bad EUR/BRL exchange rate. This all resulted in me being diluted around 50% of an FCF basis, but as I wrote at the time on the Oi thread, I decided to exit because do not want to partner with those out to fleece me.
I was ready to sell once trading opened thinking that the shares must trade down BUT to my surprise the pre-market was positive, so I followed the shares upward through the day and sold towards the end of the day close to the daily high. After the unexplained euphoria of that day's trading the market finally realized how bad the deal was for Oi shareholders and the shares lost 30% in a few days.
Congrats! You still made a handsome profit on that!
I added that as the 4th reason, but I think it is similar to No.2.
As the price drop more, maybe it will be a good time to reenter?
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Nothing to sell, my portfolio has gotten killed last 3 weeks.
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I sold all my SHLD holding today.
I think Eric is right. Recently all retailers are reporting bad numbers, and SHLD is still losing money. So taking a potential double as the upside does not sound as attractive given the risks.
The other reason is that as we approach the year end tax loss sale season, there could be more interesting opportunities and safer.
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Yup, sold 80% of my SHLD last week with this ridiculous gov actions looming. Too much sitting on the table.
Sold a tech - NOW on valuation. a few other things to raise cash. Hope to get another shot with SHLD.
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I haven't bought or sold anything recently. There are a lot of companies I'd love to own, but not at the prices they are trading at. Ignoring my small positions my portfolio is now (in order) BAC(LEAPS & warrants), FRFHF, AIG-WT, SD(common & LEAPS), HOTR, AAPL
There is nothing I want to sell right now.
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Not doing anything. My only position is BP. Other than that I have tons of cash.
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muscleman,
Allow me to add a 4th reason by way of recent experience - exiting a position due to a corporate event and/or loss of faith in management or the major shareholders.
I bought preferred shares in Oi via the ADR (OIBR) in August thanks to Packer's sage advice and my own research leading me to believe that Zeinal Bava, the CEO, was indeed an excellent manager and that the company had excellent growth prospects. The stock proceeded to go up around 50% from my entry point in about a month, declared a reduced but still handsome dividend and I was happy to hold the investment for a few years to allow it to realize its full value
Last week they announced they are doing a rights ofering which is 125% of the current MV of their equity PLUS they are combining with their parent Portugal Telecom by buying PT's assets for a lot more than book value and at a very bad EUR/BRL exchange rate. This all resulted in me being diluted around 50% of an FCF basis, but as I wrote at the time on the Oi thread, I decided to exit because do not want to partner with those out to fleece me.
I was ready to sell once trading opened thinking that the shares must trade down BUT to my surprise the pre-market was positive, so I followed the shares upward through the day and sold towards the end of the day close to the daily high. After the unexplained euphoria of that day's trading the market finally realized how bad the deal was for Oi shareholders and the shares lost 30% in a few days.
Congrats! You still made a handsome profit on that!
I added that as the 4th reason, but I think it is similar to No.2.
As the price drop more, maybe it will be a good time to reenter?
Thanks muscleman :)
I have no complaints about the profit! As for Oi, do look at the thread but after a good deal of analysis I think that unless the stock completely tanks (i.e. under a dollar when currently at around $1.70), there is not enough upside in it
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Sold some BAM.A and BEP.UN
Still like BAM.
Reason: BAM is a big part of the portfolio for me and with the debt ceiling debate not going away, I thought some of the $$$ should sit on the sidelines to see how it all shakes out. May sell more on good days leading up to the 17th. Upside is limited and downside is meaningful until we get resolution on US government and debt ceiling questions.
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Recently sold half of my position in AAON a HVAC manufacturer that does a lot of custom systems. I just think it's over priced. It's great company Owner Operator, growing market share, strong margins etc.. I put that money into LMCA Which has bumped up nicely since then.
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Not doing anything. My only position is BP. Other than that I have tons of cash.
Why only BP?
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I recently sold 50% of my position in SHLD for $64.50. My justification is in the SHLD thread...
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Yesterday I sold a little over half my SD LEAPS for basically taking my initial investment off the table and let most of the gains run. If anyone cares, I will likely wait to see if we get a big sell-off on the political stuff and look for the 2015 LEAPS when they start trading.
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Not doing anything. My only position is BP. Other than that I have tons of cash.
Why only BP?
Seems cheap and disliked. I recently bought then quickly sold both MBI and BBRY. I didn't trust my initial analysis. I'm looking for some fear elsewhere, but haven't seen much that is compelling. My positions can change quickly.
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Sales 2013
MBI position earlier this yr
40% of BAC WTA during the summer
Buys 2013
increasing my SHLD position summer)
27% cash
18.5% BYDDY
17% SHLD
14.5% BAC WTA
14% AIG WT
9% FFH
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Sold some RGR today. I may load it into some SWHC.
Unwound some BAC 2015 calls today into this rally and went into the common.
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After reducing my leverage over the last days, i sold off the last bit of my AAPL position today. It was a trading position, my price target was 580. It has not reached it but it was close enough to close the position. It was never a high conviction idea for me, so taking profits and putting it to work somewhere else with a better upside potential looks like a good idea to me. Will buy more TI/ARCP over the next days.
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I raised cash levels from 17% to 58% today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN6avab0fIY
I guess you could say I was selling almost everything today.
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Just sold some XIV today. Up ~50% in the two months that I have held it. Yes I am bragging about my luck. ;D
Will reload when the VIX goes above 20 again.
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Just sold some XIV today. Up ~50% in the two months that I have held it. Yes I am bragging about my luck. ;D
Will reload when the VIX goes above 20 again.
Short VXX and/or Long XIV (for a small portion of the portfolio though) has been a consistent winner the past few years. I don't think it is entirely luck, the construction of these products has something to do with it. As long as you can stomach the volatility of these volatility products, I think the shape of the VIX curve kind of guarantees some of this return. I hope they don't pull these products from the market soon....
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Just sold some XIV today. Up ~50% in the two months that I have held it. Yes I am bragging about my luck. ;D
Will reload when the VIX goes above 20 again.
Short VXX and/or Long XIV (for a small portion of the portfolio though) has been a consistent winner the past few years. I don't think it is entirely luck, the construction of these products has something to do with it. As long as you can stomach the volatility of these volatility products, I think the shape of the VIX curve kind of guarantees some of this return. I hope they don't pull these products from the market soon....
I am short VXX/UVXY as well. The near-term of the VIX curve in contango virtually guarantees the decay. I like to spice it up with levered UVXY to let the compounding effect of volatility due to leverage to work in my favor.
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I'm also in XIV and SVXY (which is nice because it has options and it's fun to sell covered calls when the VIX gets low).
It's worthwhile noting that XIV will at some point go to zero in a single day and UVXY at some point will probably go up ten times in a short period of time. So any investment strategy that involves those ETFs should be designed to be resilient to those sorts of events.
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I'm also in XIV and SVXY (which is nice because it has options and it's fun to sell covered calls when the VIX gets low).
It's worthwhile noting that XIV will at some point go to zero in a single day and UVXY at some point will probably go up ten times in a short period of time. So any investment strategy that involves those ETFs should be designed to be resilient to those sorts of events.
Yes, I have also wondered what happens to XIV if VIX jumps 100% in a single day (not inconceivable now given VIX is in the 12-14 range). These products are based on VIX futures. Would the exchange allow a +100% move on the futures in a single day? Aren't there margin rules and/or disruption rules designed to limit the movement in a single session?
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Yes, I have also wondered what happens to XIV if VIX jumps 100% in a single day (not inconceivable now given VIX is in the 12-14 range). These products are based on VIX futures. Would the exchange allow a +100% move on the futures in a single day? Aren't there margin rules and/or disruption rules designed to limit the movement in a single session?
If XIV drops 80% in a single day, it will automatically be liquidated. This is the scenario I mean when I say it'll eventually going to 0. (I'm curious what happens if it gaps to over a 100% loss. I guess the fund company gets burned in that case.)
I'm not sure if there are restrictions on the VIX futures movement. I'd guess not.
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Sold BAC calls today. Still holding the common shares.
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The fun is not over with BAC but good luck!
Sold BAC calls today. Still holding the common shares.
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The fun is not over with BAC but good luck!
Sold BAC calls today. Still holding the common shares.
It is still my largest holding! I'm enjoying the ride and will continue to do so!
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Second Cup (SCU)
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Have been selling CVX and will sell more to gradually close my position.
Be in a relationship with CVX for 10yrs, time for us to part ways.
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Sold 40% of my shorter term OTM WDAY options for a 4-bagger. Holding the rest, aiming for 10x. Hit or miss, I walk away with a good gain.
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How large do you make these option positions? And do you look at them in terms of notional exposure or net costs?
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Generally I do not. Shorter term options I keep very small percentage of total portfolio. Those wday options were 1.3% of my total portfolio and are pure speculation on short term movements. More than large enough if they really get going.
Longer term put options like CRM I buy much more agressively, also because my conviction is a lot higher. I do sell all the way down however. I've found timing way to hard, especially with shorter term options where you can have fluctuations of 100-300%/day.
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Have been selling CVX and will sell more to gradually close my position.
Be in a relationship with CVX for 10yrs, time for us to part ways.
Why?
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Have been selling CVX and will sell more to gradually close my position.
Be in a relationship with CVX for 10yrs, time for us to part ways.
Why?
Well I don't follow it as much as I use to. But the bottom line is:
- profits are at record highs because of $90 / barrel oil, when I first bought it oil was at $30 / barrel
- if oil prices drop CVX profits will plummet
- I look back at the last 10yrs, thank god I didn't own BP, it wasn't skill that led me to choose CVX and avoid the offshore oil spill
- CVX is getting a lot of good press lately about how its return on assets are excellent and how well it is managed
- oil is going to be more and more capital intensive and we go to more difficult places to extract it
- CVX is large cap, and I am becoming a hard core small cap investor
- I expect CVX to perform roughly in line with the market, and I only invest now expecting to beat the market
So basically, it is good time to sell off the top.....
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Selling Nothing.
I think there are a ridiculous amount of companies trading at ridiculously high prices. But the selling is across the board so the few baraings that previously existed are even more of a bargain. FIAT and Corning have held up well, at least for now.
I have a lot of cash and I'm seeing more opportunities emerging. I'm interested in buying soon, Specifically GM and Toyota. I've been watching Korean preferred stocks like Hyundai and Samsung but they are actually a bit higher in price, but still ridiculously cheap. If we have another few days in the red I'll likely make a few buys.
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Sold more of my OTM WDAY puts today. I bought some more earlier last week but was too soon. Further orders didn't fill. :( Still holding some. Netsuite earnings on monday...
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Sold entire position in MSFT.
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Sold some WDAY puts for a near 10-bagger. Still hating that I didn't get those other puts last week. Bought some short term Linkedin puts around opening with fraction of profits.
Glad someone finally stepped on the sell button on CRM. N earnings tonight could move it another way quickly however.
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The DNOW spinoff of NOV. If the $22 valuation of Morningstar is anything near correct it's way overvalued (and I have no time to do deep analysis now and it's a small position).
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I shorted NFLX today.
Thanks,
Lance
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I shorted NFLX today.
Thanks,
Lance
Tilson's T2 Partners had a relatively new presentation on the tactical aspects of shorting. Try to google it. I wished I knew these years ago.
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I wrote puts on CTCM - CTC Media, Inc. today.
Thanks,
Lance
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The remainder of my Intel position
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I wrote puts on CTCM - CTC Media, Inc. today.
Thanks,
Lance
Why sell puts? why not own it outright. Its still pretty cheap.
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Hi rpadebet - Agree that it's pretty cheap, but I enter most of my positions via puts. Also, I sell puts monthly on stocks that I feel are undervalued, not always with the hope that they are assigned. If they're assigned I sell calls on them until they're called away.
Thanks
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To the Board:
Please post your buys and sells in a more timely manner. It would appear that not everything is being reported and what is being reported is only after some delay. We need to ensure that accuracy is maintained.
Thank you for your cooperation in this very important matter.
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Sold half of my remaining Wells Fargo today :-\
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It's a good point Kraven.
I am going to use that as an opportunity to put in a pre-emptive sell order on the SPY ETF. I am 100% short the index when the transaction occurs.
NOTE: As this is a pre-emptive order, the transaction is subject to certain conditions being met. Specifically the SPY must decrease in value by more than 1% by tomorrow's close. Failing that condition I revoke my pre-emptive order.
:P
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Sold half of my remaining Wells Fargo today :-\
I still think Wells is one of the cheaper stocks available today...
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Sold half of my remaining Wells Fargo today :-\
I still think Wells is one of the cheaper stocks available today...
It wasn't an easy decision, but we're up to 8x pre-tax pre-provision profit now. I'm trying to buy a small community bank at less than 5x in its stead.
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Hi rpadebet - Agree that it's pretty cheap, but I enter most of my positions via puts. Also, I sell puts monthly on stocks that I feel are undervalued, not always with the hope that they are assigned. If they're assigned I sell calls on them until they're called away.
Thanks
Quick glance, less than 60 seconds, CTCM looks interesting.
Kraven, So that I do my part to be timely, if I have time this evening to do more research and I like CTCM, I will write some 10-strike puts tomorrow! So you can front run me if you like.
Lance, We have similar, maybe identical, strategies! Thanks for bringing CTCM to my attention.
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i sold my pharmstandard Holding today. Holding it for two months. 37% yield.
now buying more hyundai preffered and Samsung preffered.
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i sold my pharmstandard Holding today. Holding it for two months. 37% yield.
now buying more hyundai preffered and Samsung preffered.
Phil - if you don't mind my asking - what broker do you use to buy the Korean stocks given the difficulty for retail investors to get them?
And are there special restrictions in buying them?
thanks
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i sold my pharmstandard Holding today. Holding it for two months. 37% yield.
now buying more hyundai preffered and Samsung preffered.
Phil - if you don't mind my asking - what broker do you use to buy the Korean stocks given the difficulty for retail investors to get them?
And are there special restrictions in buying them?
thanks
cubsfan iam buying on german ING. i can only buy Samsung preffered and hyundai preffered. These are the only two i can buy. there are no restrictions because they are gdr Shares. they are Imitate a half of a preffered share.
cheers :)
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Thanks Phil - should have figured it would be easier in Europe than the US!
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Thanks Phil - should have figured it would be easier in Europe than the US!
IB allowed me to buy the hyundai prefs (off the london exchange, but traded in USD). There's a thread on it in the investment section.
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It's a good point Kraven.
I am going to use that as an opportunity to put in a pre-emptive sell order on the SPY ETF. I am 100% short the index when the transaction occurs.
NOTE: As this is a pre-emptive order, the transaction is subject to certain conditions being met. Specifically the SPY must decrease in value by more than 1% by tomorrow's close. Failing that condition I revoke my pre-emptive order.
:P
Looks like today is your day! I am a shameless cloner, copied you and shorted the day highs :D.
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I shorted TSLA at $222 today.
Thanks,
Lance
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The remainder of my Intel position
Wow that was great timing. Selling my AZN in January was worse though ::)
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I wrote puts on COH.
Thanks,
Lance
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I shorted some Chipotle yesterday
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I shorted LNKD today.
Thanks,
Lance
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I sold my SSE shares. I received them from CHK spin off and didn't like the valuation and leverage.
Note that this thread is mainly for closing long position. Either cutting losses and explaining what is the lesson or taking a profit.
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Closed my OIBR long.
Lesson learned - when a company's leverage after issuing equity is still large, the chances of a second dilution must be taken into account when buying, if at all...
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I sold my SSE shares. I received them from CHK spin off and didn't like the valuation and leverage.
Note that this thread is mainly for closing long position. Either cutting losses and explaining what is the lesson or taking a profit.
muscleman, got it. Is there a thread for listing shorts?
Thanks,
Lance
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I sold my SSE shares. I received them from CHK spin off and didn't like the valuation and leverage.
Note that this thread is mainly for closing long position. Either cutting losses and explaining what is the lesson or taking a profit.
muscleman, got it. Is there a thread for listing shorts?
Thanks,
Lance
There's not. You are welcome to list shorts here, but since these shorts are not discussed in the investment ideas section, it will be best if you could give a brief outline of why you took the short at this point..
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I have taken a short position in Save the World (ticker: ZERO, extremely ironic). Even if you won't join the bandwagon, the company's 10ks are a fun read. This company has been a serial share issuance machine with the result that the company's market cap has ballooned to almost $150mln. The company has pulled a new rabbit out of its head, everytime the market was willing to give up on the company. Currently, the company tries to tell its AOT Technology as a groundbreaking technology, but I am fairly certain that TransCanada that currently has a temporary trial lease won't renew the contract, nor that a lot of other oil companies will follow. The current market cap, assuming no further dilution, assumes a sustainable earnings stream of $10mln, which will never materialize. I think that the end of Transcanada's lease could be the catalyst, combined with the lack of further partnerships, that could help the stock to go to zero eventually.
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Lightened up again on Western Digital (WDC). Down to just a few hundred shares now. Was the second largest holding for me, but that's harder to justify at $97. Cash position up to 17%
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Mostly ETFs and funds (dividend funds and etfs, infrastructure ETFs, etc.), but also a wide range of speculative and investment grade positions. Keeping companies like BRK, FFH, MKL, GLRE, OCX, KSU, COS, FMNA, FRMO but have been selling a wide range of other positions.
So basically, I've been raising cash across the board - AGAIN. Last year I apparently erred as, for well over a year now, I've felt the market was overvalued and at risk of a substantial decline, so by mid-May 2013 I had substantially raised my cash levels which was fortunate timing in the very short-term but the market decline was very minor and I then missed the fall rally. >:( Hating holding cash and knowing I can't really time the market, :) I couldn't stand it any longer and bought back into the market late in the year and into the first half of 2014. I still feel that the market is highly vulnerable and am basically trying to time a 5-7 year business cycle market top. That said, I've been returning to much more comfortable cash levels by taking modest profits across the board.
Note: In the past held decade/two decade long positions and only went largely to cash in 2008. In 2009 I jumped back into the market big time. Then took profits until the crisis in the fall of 2011 and again jumped back in in the downgrade crisis. So I don't think I'm so much as a market timer as an opportunist in these volatile times. I think the 2008/2009 crash was pretty much a once in a lifetime opportunity and don't expect a reoccurrence. Right now with many somewhat reliable market ratios at record highs (Hussman goes on ad nauseam about them), many guru investors now raising cash, Buffett not buying much if anything, and screens like AAII's Shadow Market portfolio finding zero small caps passing its criteria (beyond its current holdings), indicate to me that market risk is higher than normal if not unusually high, and so I'm selling market/index investments and a few others to boot. Rule number one - don't lose money. ...And this market has been driven so much by intervention and subsidization and not free market fundamentals that I feel uncomfortable about prospective returns at these levels (in North America).
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sold CNQ bought at 27 and sold at 45.77 a nice gain for the family portfolio. But taking some profits :D
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I sold a bit more of my Ceapro (CZO). I've owned it and accumulated it on and off over more than a decade and tt's finally doing fairly well but I'm paring back everything I own except BRK, FFH and a few "keepers" to raise my cash levels. (Market timing.)
I have been selling off a number of index ETFs over the past few weeks too (some of which I just picked up a few months back).
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Short GPRO
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Short GPRO
What kind of borrow rates are you getting?
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Sold KMI today. Makes no sense to hold if i can`t fully decide if its cheap or expensive here and i am not comfortable with my valuation on the dividend yield. I want to build a clean value portfolio at the end of october, and this has probably no place in it with its massive market cap.
Also trimmed some of my put positions.
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BRKB
Expect 12% ROE long-term and it is near fair value. There are a lot of potential investments forming so I wanted more cash. My portfolio is now 25% cash, 35% micro-caps (because I think they are uncorrelated to market - my version of workout given portfolio size), 40% long-term holdings/forever stocks.
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BRKB
My portfolio is now 25% cash, 35% micro-caps (because I think they are uncorrelated to market - my version of workout given portfolio size), 40% long-term holdings/forever stocks.
As any long-time practioner in the micro-cap space would probably have told you, these stocks are not uncorrelated to market, but they are just slow to react to broader market movements, both on the upside and on the downside. However, when they do react, they react hard and one will likely suffer tremendous mark-to-market losses (i.e. in a market panic). Therefore, I wouldn't necessarily treat these as workouts, unless there are clear catalysts to unlock value in a imaginable time frame.
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BRKB
My portfolio is now 25% cash, 35% micro-caps (because I think they are uncorrelated to market - my version of workout given portfolio size), 40% long-term holdings/forever stocks.
As any long-time practioner in the micro-cap space would probably have told you, these stocks are not uncorrelated to market, but they are just slow to react to broader market movements, both on the upside and on the downside. However, when they do react, they react hard and one will likely suffer tremendous mark-to-market losses (i.e. in a market panic). Therefore, I wouldn't necessarily treat these as workouts, unless there are clear catalysts to unlock value in a imaginable time frame.
Thanks for the comment and I would generally agree with you, micro-caps generally are tied to the market but with lower volume/higher volatility. My reason for calling them workouts (I have another small cap in the forever section) is because my investment thesis is not tied to a change in price multiple since volume is so low. My bet is on the business and that the turnaround will continue, thus the return will come from an increase in intrinsic value and future earnings power.
Looking back on it, 'Workout' probably isn't the correct term to use, but I do see my ownership in this company as more of a private equity-type investment where I do not expect to be able to flip it at higher multiples nor receive dividends for a few years while I wait for the business to progress.
Looking at the past price history for the issue, I have a reasonable belief that the price is decoupled from the market as a whole and will generally reflect the current and future business prospects.
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Sold all puts today. I noticed that i got back to my old behaviour instead of following the plan to just be protected from june->october. It was really hard to do this and i struggled with this decision for one or two weeks now. Whats a bit silly is that i could have liquidated the positions on the start of november with a gain but because i waited so long it came out with a loss. My strategy was to sell half of the put positions when they doubled and that worked very well.
The last 6 weeks were like a complete rollercoaster for me from feeling like genius in the middle of october (outperformance against the S&P was 15% at that point) to feeling like a fool now (-7% against the S&P ). I think i was just fucking greedy in october and that has cost me money and sleep.
Writing this helped me feel a little better so thanks for reading. :)
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Old behavior?
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Old behavior?
Too much wave counting, technical analysis and being a perma bear. Especially the last is a handicap that i can`t get rid of so easily.
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Too much wave counting, technical analysis and being a perma bear. Especially the last is a handicap that i can`t get rid of so easily.
I haven't succeeded in reaching this level of zen detachment yet, but have you tried not looking at the market as much? Or at least, cutting out almost all financial news.
Guy Spier has some interesting ideas on this (shutting down his bloomberg terminal and keeping it in a different room, only looking at prices when the market is closed, only looking once a week or whatever, etc)? Maybe this can help with all those problems, even without going as far as someone like Spier.
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KCLI, ITIC, Fujimak (TSE:5965)
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MBI
Swapped it for JPM warrants
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KCLI, ITIC, Fujimak (TSE:5965)
What made you sell Fujimak?
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Sold all puts today. I noticed that i got back to my old behaviour instead of following the plan to just be protected from june->october. It was really hard to do this and i struggled with this decision for one or two weeks now. Whats a bit silly is that i could have liquidated the positions on the start of november with a gain but because i waited so long it came out with a loss. My strategy was to sell half of the put positions when they doubled and that worked very well.
The last 6 weeks were like a complete rollercoaster for me from feeling like genius in the middle of october (outperformance against the S&P was 15% at that point) to feeling like a fool now (-7% against the S&P ). I think i was just fucking greedy in october and that has cost me money and sleep.
Writing this helped me feel a little better so thanks for reading. :)
My experience with buying puts has been pretty poor. I have only ever used them to hedge, not to deliberately short anything. Usually what happens is the market or stock goes up a little after a put purchase. A few weeks lapses, the market tanks, and the puts dont even get back to the level I paid for them.
It is said that 70% of options expire worthless. I am *guessing* that puts probably expire worthless in 90-95% of cases. I have tried every permutation of buying puts and have found this to nearly always be the case.
So, I find I am better at disciplining myself to move to cash, rather than buy puts. The problem here is the tax man. One day I need to sit down and do a tax versus losses on puts comparison. But, I am pretty sure that my losses from puts will exceed the taxes on selling gains by a long shot.
The obvious answer to puts that nearly always expire is to sell puts, of course. This needs to be done with a very careful eye. I have goofed this side up badly at extremely bad times, or with really bad stock choices (re: RIMM). I may have got the hang of it now with much smaller positions and more careful choices.
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Trimmed my long positions in KMI by selling all of my 2016 $30 strike calls. Keeping the 2017 warrants.
Still long-term bullish on KMI, but wanted to take some profits amid the market making new highs.
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LMCK
Swapped into LMCA
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KCLI, ITIC, Fujimak (TSE:5965)
What made you sell Fujimak?
The primary reason is for a tax loss. I actually think I almost broken even in yen, but the yen has depreciated from 95 per USD to 116 today so I am down 20% or so. I used a bit of the proceeds to buy Riken Keiki (7734). But in 2weeks it will be 30 days since I sold so I can buy back in. I just might. Mind you this is after they revised their loss estimate from -39yen to -16yen.
What do you think about Fujimak?
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KCLI, ITIC, Fujimak (TSE:5965)
What made you sell Fujimak?
The primary reason is for a tax loss. I actually think I almost broken even in yen, but the yen has depreciated from 95 per USD to 116 today so I am down 20% or so. I used a bit of the proceeds to buy Riken Keiki (7734). But in 2weeks it will be 30 days since I sold so I can buy back in. I just might. Mind you this is after they revised their loss estimate from -39yen to -16yen.
What do you think about Fujimak?
As far as I can see it is still very cheap so I was surprised about you selling. I figured you had some new insights and was wondering what I had missed. I live in a country where we have a net worth tax as opposed to a capital gains tax so I always forget to consider the tax angle.
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As I posted in the 2014 results thread the past three years have been humbling to me to say the least. Since that post I started to close out positions of my weird investments:
I closed out my position in REPR before their earnings were released last night for a nice gain. Sales growth was very healthy but the prior 2 quarters expenses had grown as fast/faster and therefore there was no leverage showing up in the business. In December their prereleased strong sales growth for the current Q but nothing on the expense side which has caused a run up before earnings. The stock is down 16% today on high volume for it as people are coming to the same conclusion as I did back in December when I was not confident that it would translate. Its now trading at 18x earning and probably will be over 20x after the 4th quarter. Mgmt doesn't seem like they want to sell out which is what the end game should be as the sales growth should be enticing to somebody in the space as they should be able to cut SG&A drastically.
Since my first post here I've also closed out my positions in ABTL, KIQ and GLDD and 50% of my Lands End (LE). To be honest I interviewed with Lands End corporate right before their spinoff from Sears and while I declined the job I saw from the employees the optimism in charting their own way and could hear the problems of being under Sears meant to them.
Increasing my cash positions will hopefully make me think clearer and eliminate the bias I have in anchoring. Other positions I have in OESX and GLGI and a few others I continue to hold through the next earnings call. Those results will help me.
To be honest - I'm pretty much done in the microcap space.
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Maybe foolishly sold out of my EUROB for a quick 45%+ gain at the end of last week. My very large holding in Intralot made me nervous about losing gains in either name.
Also sold a part of my NTLS holding last week after buying a lot more in the $4.4 range recently. Still hold a good position.
Lesson: Patience is improving but I really have to learn to let winners run. Should have learned this by now!
Also starting to run out of ideas, especially in the US. Seeing very little that I could invest 20%+ of my portfolio in and that offers 100%+ potential without too much risk. :(
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Maybe foolishly sold out of my EUROB for a quick 45%+ gain at the end of last week. My very large holding in Intralot made me nervous about losing gains in either name.
Also sold a part of my NTLS holding last week after buying a lot more in the $4.4 range recently. Still hold a good position.
Lesson: Patience is improving but I really have to learn to let winners run. Should have learned this by now!
Also starting to run out of ideas, especially in the US. Seeing very little that I could invest 20%+ of my portfolio in and that offers 100%+ potential without too much risk. :(
Have you looked at Bank of Cyprus? This is similar to Eurobank except that this should be safer. Wilbur Ross owns 19% of this company.
http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/investment-ideas/bocr-at-bank-of-cyprus/
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Bought Outerwall last week and SMA Solar today.
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Also starting to run out of ideas, especially in the US. Seeing very little that I could invest 20%+ of my portfolio in and that offers 100%+ potential without too much risk. :(
After selling NTLS I'm "stuck" with 33% cash. Don't feel like buying large caps with maybe 50% upside or compounders that are decently priced either. This too requires patience I guess.
Am I alone in having this problem? Many seem to be buying hand over fist. I just don't see many obvious buys.
Have you looked at Bank of Cyprus? This is similar to Eurobank except that this should be safer. Wilbur Ross owns 19% of this company.
http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/investment-ideas/bocr-at-bank-of-cyprus/
Only briefly but it didn't seem as attractive at first sight. In hindsight of course neither was Eurobank! Definitely was lucky there.
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I sold GOOG and PCLN today. I almost hit the sell button on Google after earnings at $640. At $673 and 31x earnings? No thank you. PCLN is similar for me. With the China news this morning, I'm not seeing PCLN getting a currency tailwind any time soon.
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Am I alone in having this problem? Many seem to be buying hand over fist. I just don't see many obvious buys.
I don't see any obvious buys. Fairfax and BRK are closest to being buys for me...
Well, maybe oil sector, but that's also not obvious. ;)
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Berkshire and Fairfax are in the realm of reasonable valuation. Very hard to tell whether they could deliver outperformance at this point so I'll stay away. Berkshire was very obviously cheap for almost 5 full years (!!) and isn't really now. No point in lowering my investing standards just because there are no alternatives imo.
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did you look at RX (Biosyent) , DAP-U (XPEL) - great micro-caps trading at reasonable valuation in my opinion.
decent CEO...
I believe RX still expects 35% growth and 50% for XPEL
they have been growing without debt or equity financing - a ver attractive figure for me (also why I like BRK and CSU... great companies don't need to issue shares or take on significant debt).
Gary
Also starting to run out of ideas, especially in the US. Seeing very little that I could invest 20%+ of my portfolio in and that offers 100%+ potential without too much risk. :(
After selling NTLS I'm "stuck" with 33% cash. Don't feel like buying large caps with maybe 50% upside or compounders that are decently priced either. This too requires patience I guess.
Am I alone in having this problem? Many seem to be buying hand over fist. I just don't see many obvious buys.
Have you looked at Bank of Cyprus? This is similar to Eurobank except that this should be safer. Wilbur Ross owns 19% of this company.
http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/investment-ideas/bocr-at-bank-of-cyprus/
Only briefly but it didn't seem as attractive at first sight. In hindsight of course neither was Eurobank! Definitely was lucky there.
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Am I alone in having this problem? Many seem to be buying hand over fist. I just don't see many obvious buys.
I don't see any obvious buys. Fairfax and BRK are closest to being buys for me...
Well, maybe oil sector, but that's also not obvious. ;)
Been selling a lot too recently. Out of MSFT,EBAY,AAPL, MTB warrants, NOV, half of AMZN etc. total exposure cut by half almost. Waiting to cut AIG as well.
Only invested in things with long term value (5+ years). I don't believe investments with positive catalysts will pan out in the near future.
Recent buys include FAST,RX,INP.V, PKTEF, LILAK
Hoping for a nice correction in the next 12 months.
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Tom
did you look at RX (Biosyent) , DAP-U (XPEL) - great micro-caps trading at reasonable valuation in my opinion.
decent CEO...
I believe RX still expects 35% growth and 50% for XPEL
they have been growing without debt or equity financing - a ver attractive figure for me (also why I like BRK and CSU... great companies don't need to issue shares or take on significant debt).
Gary
Also starting to run out of ideas, especially in the US. Seeing very little that I could invest 20%+ of my portfolio in and that offers 100%+ potential without too much risk. :(
After selling NTLS I'm "stuck" with 33% cash. Don't feel like buying large caps with maybe 50% upside or compounders that are decently priced either. This too requires patience I guess.
Am I alone in having this problem? Many seem to be buying hand over fist. I just don't see many obvious buys.
Have you looked at Bank of Cyprus? This is similar to Eurobank except that this should be safer. Wilbur Ross owns 19% of this company.
http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/investment-ideas/bocr-at-bank-of-cyprus/
Only briefly but it didn't seem as attractive at first sight. In hindsight of course neither was Eurobank! Definitely was lucky there.
I haven't yet but have seem those topics fly by. :) Very hard to read everything here these last few years so sometimes I miss a few. Thank you for the heads-up, I'll look them up!
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Well RR is a pretty obvious buy. I'm not sure that WMT is that obvious but I think it's on the cheaper side right now.
I'm not so keen on FFH. But yes BRK is somewhere around reasonably priced. It's a bit trickier for me to buy more cause it's already above 10% of the portfolio. But what's so wrong about buying a company like BRK around a reasonable valuation? Especially in an environment like this when you have many iffy companies trading at lofty multiples. Now, over 5 years maybe it will outperform an index or maybe not. If it doesn't I don't think it will be a terrible underperformance. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that it'll make a lot of money over the next 5 years, it'll be worth more after 5 years and it'll definitely outperform cash.
Oh, and I think one will sleep pretty good owning BRK over the next 5 years. I think that's probably worth something too.
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Been selling a lot too recently. Out of MSFT,EBAY,AAPL, MTB warrants, NOV, half of AMZN etc. total exposure cut by half almost. Waiting to cut AIG as well.
Only invested in things with long term value (5+ years). I don't believe investments with positive catalysts will pan out in the near future.
Recent buys include FAST,RX,INP.V, PKTEF, LILAK
Hoping for a nice correction in the next 12 months.
I'm curious, may I ask why you've sold out of MSFT? I've pared back as well over the past couple of years based on valuation. By why sell out if you don't need cash? Just valuation or do you have something about the business you don't like?
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Been selling a lot too recently. Out of MSFT,EBAY,AAPL, MTB warrants, NOV, half of AMZN etc. total exposure cut by half almost. Waiting to cut AIG as well.
Only invested in things with long term value (5+ years). I don't believe investments with positive catalysts will pan out in the near future.
Recent buys include FAST,RX,INP.V, PKTEF, LILAK
Hoping for a nice correction in the next 12 months.
I'm curious, may I ask why you've sold out of MSFT? I've pared back as well over the past couple of years based on valuation. By why sell out if you don't need cash? Just valuation or do you have something about the business you don't like?
Needed cash, had 140% exposure on margin earlier this year.
Didn't sell MSFT because i think its over valued. I think they have a decent strategy now and runway with cloud. But it will take time and investment to show up in earnings.
I had too much tech and financial large caps over the last couple of years. Did well. I think the valuations have now become more reasonable. Forward growth there is not as attractive, so scouting for other smaller fast growers. I will do large caps only if they are very cheap or growth runway is very attractive relative to price.
I am looking for 20%+ returns annually, so multiple expansion from valuation + dividends alone wont get me there, need growth and growth runway so I don't have to keep replacing these every year. Also avoiding margin leverage in the short run, until this rate hike, china devaluation, oil decline etc plays out.
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sold pcp,
although i'm not a huge fan of the deal for shareholders. seems likely that deal will go through on current offer.
proceeds moved into CMPR and BAM
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I sold a little FICO Monday because I needed some cash. I've held for almost 5 years and it was my first purchase so it was tough to sell. I really didn't want to sell either ELDO or MCO so the FICO sale was forced. I'm extremely concentrated and I have 20%+ cash over all accounts. That summarizes my opinions on the market opportunities pretty well. I sold <1/4 of my stake in FICO and it's still a 20%+ allocation.
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Been selling a lot too recently. Out of MSFT,EBAY,AAPL, MTB warrants, NOV, half of AMZN etc. total exposure cut by half almost. Waiting to cut AIG as well.
Well, I bought some AAPL and NOV recently. ;) Not obvious buys though.
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Well RR is a pretty obvious buy.
RR is totally not obvious to me. ;)
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Well RR is a pretty obvious buy.
RR is totally not obvious to me. ;)
well you do have to squint a bit
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Well RR is a pretty obvious buy.
RR is totally not obvious to me. ;)
well you do have to squint a bit
It might work well out for you, but for me it's too much of a turnaround plus complex accounting. A pass. :)
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KCLI, ITIC, Fujimak (TSE:5965)
I own and kinda like ITIC...seems reasonable to me at roughly book value.
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Reduced CHR.CPH [Chr. Hansen Holding A/S] from a small position [~1.5%] to a tracker position, yesterday, at quarterly reporting, at a gain of ~50% in about 18 months. Despite good progress and growth for the company, a P/E at around 40 makes no sense to me at the moment.
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Maybe Apple (someone talk me out of it!)
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Sold a bunch of stuff today. Good day to raise cash and clean portfolio. Sold some stuff yesterday too.
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Sold about 1/3 of my BAC position (all commons).
Would like to repurchase at some point, but we'll see what the market does.
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Sold a basket of Canadian marijuana stocks over the last two days.
Thanks
Lance
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A little (or a lot) of everything. At about 70% cash now. We'll see what happens, but I'm going to be sitting on the sidelines for a while.
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I trimmed a bit of everything, around 5% of the portfolio. I'm too afraid stocks double from here to trim substantially.
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Sold some EZPW at $11.20 yesterday
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I'd like to trim some stuff but I can't really :(. Some positions like WFC I still think is undervalued, others have large gains on them which will trigger lots of taxes and I have plenty of cash around. Just a heads up that some very interesting companies have been selling hard for a while and the election accelerated the selling. Could get interesting.
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VRX
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SAN [the large chunk of the position, that I bought at Brexit Day - sold at 5.80, bought at 3.88].
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DISCK - I think my thesis is broken after the earnings report. Cordcutting increasingly seems to become a strong headwind.
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Sold my last shares of ITIC at 2.3x book after owning shares for at least 10 years. This stock traded for 2/3 book in 2011. Consistent 7-12% ROE every year. It was a pleasure owning but getting ridiculous at current prices.
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Signs of a bull market, this topic is dead for over 6 months.
Sold out BRK-B today. I think it is still undervalued but made a decent gain in a month or two and now I'm going back to my small companies corner.
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Sold 75% of my position in Markel
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MTB
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Wondering why this thread is dead while the "buy" thread is active. That being said I haven't sold anything lately either.
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Nell-e,
Some board members actually do not sell, or sell seldom. [i.e. longinvestor and Valuehalla are in that camp, and you can include me there.]
Some board members selling or reducing their positions prefer to post about it in the particular topic in the Investment Idea forum.
Some board members prefer to post about their rebalancings gathered as one post in the buying topic.
Some board members don't post in detail about their doings. [We don't have to.]
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I appreciate you asking. It's a big board. It takes time to find out how things actually work around here.
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And we're in year nine of a bull market. We've bullied away the sellers on this forum and replaced them with compounders.
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And we're in year nine of a bull market. We've bullied away the sellers on this forum and replaced them with compounders.
I got an itchy sales finger. I must sit on my hands.
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I've been thinking a lot about selling my most expensive net nets (trading at around 0.75% of NCAV) and buying even cheaper net-nets or ones which have heavier cash balances like Namura Shipbuilding, KDM Shipping or Kikukawa Enterprises.
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It's also because some of us think it's kind of pointless to have two threads for the same purpose - I post my sales in the "What are you buying" thread just so all transactions are discussed in one place.
Also, I don't post ALL of my transactions - just the ones that cross my mind at the time and the ones that might be worth discussing. I imagine other board members are the same.
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WFC. [All out.]
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Not actually today, but Wednesday this week, where there was a price peak during the day:
"Legacy assets":
MAERSK B.CPH [A. P. Møller - Mærsk A/S, ser. B], at DKK 9,000.00.
My brother built a position gradually November 2014 - March 2015 at average cost at ~DKK 13,400/share, doubled down at ~DKK 8,600 in February 2016, sold half in November 2017 at ~DKK 10,400 based on my recommendation, just before he gave me trading power of attorney on his behalf. He's now out with a positive zero, because of dividends.
I'm happy it's over now - the future for this company does not exactly appear to be bright.
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Not actually today, but Wednesday this week, where there was a price peak during the day:
"Legacy assets":
MAERSK B.CPH [A. P. Møller - Mærsk A/S, ser. B], at DKK 9,000.00.
My brother built a position gradually November 2014 - March 2015 at average cost at ~DKK 13,400/share, doubled down at ~DKK 8,600 in February 2016, sold half in November 2017 at ~DKK 10,400 based on my recommendation, just before he gave me trading power of attorney on his behalf. He's now out with a positive zero, because of dividends.
I'm happy it's over now - the future for this company does not exactly appear to be bright.
The shipping industry is a disaster. Sure, money can be made in an disastrous industry, but why go there, when there are far easier way to do equally well with much less risk and effort.
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Reduced my position in ENB and FB a bit. I added to FB after a disaster CC and now have reduced my position to what I had prior. ENB was an overweight holding that I reduced after the run up. I started buying into this to early. Still one of my largest holdings right now.
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Reduced my position in ENB and FB a bit. I added to FB after a disaster CC and now have reduced my position to what I had prior. ENB was an overweight holding that I reduced after the run up. I started buying into this to early. Still one of my largest holdings right now.
Same idea as you with FB. Bought after CC, will reduce around 195 to my normal position.
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More "legacy assets" in my brothers portfolio - small positions:
FLS.CPH [F. L. Smidth & Co. A/S] [Website] (http://www.flsmidth.com/).
NDA DKK.CPH [Nordea Bank AB].
PAAL B.CPH [Per Aaarsleff Holding A/S B] [Website] (http://www.aarsleff.dk/).
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End of of legacy sweep, except PNDORA.
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CAH - that wasn't a pretty quarter.
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CAH - that wasn't a pretty quarter.
Why CAH and not the better managed MCK or ABC? Valuation is a bit less for CAH, but I think the better management at MCK or ABC more than compensates for the valuation difference.
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Didn't ask me, but its a selling thread
CAH - that wasn't a pretty quarter.
Why CAH and not the better managed MCK or ABC? Valuation is a bit less for CAH, but I think the better management at MCK or ABC more than compensates for the valuation difference.
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First [lowest] sell order for PNDORA.CPH [of 1/3, at 370] just filled.
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Second sell order for PNDORA.CPH [1/2 of the rest of the position, at 390] just filled.
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Third & last sell order for PNDORA.CPH [the rest of the position, at 410] just filled.
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Think of flipping from $CAG into $KHC. Seem roughly similarly valued and I won't have the paid through the nose/integration risk with the $PF deal.
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Sold about half of BRK.b holdings today.
Could be a relative mistake as the other Buyer may have a particular sense of intrinsic value.
Bought recently after Mr. Buffett "signalled" a message which I thought was inefficently picked up by Mr. Market and made it about a 27% position. Would be happy to hold BRK.b forever and it has been used as an opportunity cost reference. However, I felt I needed to bring the position down to size within my portfolios. Interesting also because I have been selling another relatively illiquid security (small position) over a few days and was able to sell BRK.b in 11 separate accounts during the last 8 minutes of trading.
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That actually reads like you have done a great short term trade in Berkshire, Cigarbutt,
To me it reads like you have done 6 - 7 percent within about 3 weeks on north of 10 percent of your total capital.
I came across a tweet (https://twitter.com/EdBorgato/status/1047932320735350784) by Ed Borgato today:
The phrase "buy and hold" should actually be "buy and keep learning; and always leave room to change your mind."
Doesn't actually have the same ring to it.
A part of it is also about learning about ourselves, right? [ : - ) ]
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I came across a tweet (https://twitter.com/EdBorgato/status/1047932320735350784) by Ed Borgato today:
The phrase "buy and hold" should actually be "buy and keep learning; and always leave room to change your mind."
Doesn't actually have the same ring to it.
A part of it is also about learning about ourselves, right? [ : - ) ]
So much to learn and so little time.
I guess you could call this work in progress but this short term stuff is mostly noise.
Ideally, it would be nice (and the right thing?) to be able to think like this gentleman, whom you may have heard of:
http://csinvesting.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Nick-Train-The-King-of-Buy-and-Hold.pdf
For still an undefined period, will continue to have in mind St-Augustine's prayer who had his own way of formulating the paradigm between excellence and finish lines: "Lord make me pure, but not yet".
I'm also looking forward to your comments (especially concerning what's written between the lines) about Mr. Marks' latest book.
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I should probably sell everything, except BRK, since my head seems to be filled with cognitive biases.
A small portfolio of rental homes would be in my wheelhouse but would require more actual work.
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I'm taking a break from Twitter & the 24 hour news cycle for the rest of this month & will concentrate on my circle of competence (music & school) and my sphere of influence (the space that extends slightly beyond the length of my arms.)
I'll still peek in here to see if there's any interesting discussions about what I own but, as has been since its creation, the politics section is off limits.
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I've been leaving the cellphone at home a lot & going to study in the afternoons under an umbrella at the beach & am considering expanding this by leaving the phone at home when I go to school.
It would stay connected to a wall, just like back in the day (no party line though.)
It feels liberating to be out of touch while at the same time being more in touch with what is actually near me.
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Small positions - legacy assets :
LUN.CPH [H. Lundbeck A/S] - has done very well - not especially expensive right now, I think - just time to move on.
GEN.CPH [Genmab A/S] - has done well - biotech, thereby outside my circle.
SIE.ETR [Siemens AG NA, Deutsche Börse, Xetra market] - has gone nowhere for years ex. dividends - not a bad business - please look up posts by Spekulatius about it if any interest - just time to move on.
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I should probably sell everything, except BRK, since my head seems to be filled with cognitive biases.
A small portfolio of rental homes would be in my wheelhouse but would require more actual work.
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I'm taking a break from Twitter & the 24 hour news cycle for the rest of this month & will concentrate on my circle of competence (music & school) and my sphere of influence (the space that extends slightly beyond the length of my arms.)
I'll still peek in here to see if there's any interesting discussions about what I own but, as has been since its creation, the politics section is off limits.
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I've been leaving the cellphone at home a lot & going to study in the afternoons under an umbrella at the beach & am considering expanding this by leaving the phone at home when I go to school.
It would stay connected to a wall, just like back in the day (no party line though.)
It feels liberating to be out of touch while at the same time being more in touch with what is actually near me.
Good for you leaving your cell home. The new Marshmallow test of self-discipline, the ability to resist a blinking inbox or a buzzing phone
Larry D. Rosen, L. Mark Carrier, and Nancy A. Cheever, “Facebook and texting made me do it: Media-induced task-switching while studying,” Computers in Human Behavior, Vol. 29, pages 948-958, May 2013.
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Small positions - legacy assets :
COLO B.CPH [Coloplast A/S B]
NZYM B.CPH [Novozymes A/S B]
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Sold all of my Autozone stock last week (lucky timing). I might regret this a couple of years down the line, because these guys have a winning formula, but there's a real opportunity cost, and it was a really good IRR after the Amazon scare blew over. Lots of stuff looks attractive right now so solely sold on valuation (which isn't even that demanding to be honest).
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EPAM...valuation is much higher than when I purchased so trimmed by 50% despite fundamentals continuing to hold up.
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I exited my Markel position. Not sure if that'll be a long term mistake, but didn't see enough positive to hold.
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466 shares of ELAN... :)
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Apple: Sold Jan 2020 $200 calls against my entire long position after its pretty crazy run this week. 6% premium for 7% OTM call. Quite happy to get this opportunity after how much I was down on this stock 3 months ago.
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Some of my lower cost Altria shares for a small gain.
Still believe CEO & BOD are idiots.
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Some of my lower cost Altria shares for a small gain.
Still believe CEO & BOD are idiots.
Why do you sell your lower cost shares ? You should sell your high cost shares, perhaps take a loss and either wash sale it by parking in another tobacco stock or just rebuying 31 days later.
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Spekulatius,
Back in November 2018 - here (http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/affordable-care-act/msg351489/#msg351489) - Jeff contributed in the ACA topic with a post, based on his personal & actual situation :
My previous employers obligation to provide me with COBRA insurance came to an end on 30 September.
Faced with the need to mitigate the potential risk to all that I've worked for & saved, I stopped in
at the BCBS service center which is conveniently located right across the street from school.
I had been paying Chouest $437 a month for the same great coverage which had previously cost me $104.30
(I thought the higher premium was still a bargain, thank you Gary Chouest!) & I expected to have to
start paying the same or more for a significantly higher deductible.
Instead, the ACA will provide assistance, which will result in a monthly premium of just $22.55 with no deductible &
a $2500 annual max out of pocket expense.
If you make less than $12,060 per year you get zip.
Passive income counts & I qualify for 2019 with the following projections:
$8,200 - Pell Grant estimate
$12,000 - expected dividends & cap gains
I expect to take advantage of this until May of 2022 when I'll earn a Bachelors degree & get back to work.
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I thought this might interest anyone who has a friend or relative who needs assistance but hasn't yet gotten it.
Open enrollment is going on NOW.
Anyone who feels like I'm a slacker for doing this should examine whether they enjoy professional musical entertainment after a hard day at the office.
(They should also follow me around for a week to see how hard this stuff actually is...)
So much for the US Health Care System. If you are a healthy person in good mental shape, alone maneuvering this system may eventually put you on medication.
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The amount of brain damage that single payer system would save US citizens alone makes it worth it. ;D
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Some of my lower cost Altria shares for a small gain.
Still believe CEO & BOD are idiots.
Why do you sell your lower cost shares ? You should sell your high cost shares, perhaps take a loss and either wash sale it by parking in another tobacco stock or just rebuying 31 days later.
Read my signature below.
The part right before the Twitter link.
[edit]: i forgot to add that I'm also still long MO Calls - Jan 2020 $52.50's & Jan 2021 $50's (fingers crossed...)
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The amount of brain damage that single payer system would save US citizens alone makes it worth it. ;D
I'm single & was paying for drinks at the FloraBama last night.
I feel a lot more sane today.
That is all.
;D
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Spekulatius,
Back in November 2018 - here (http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/affordable-care-act/msg351489/#msg351489) - Jeff contributed in the ACA topic with a post, based on his personal & actual situation :
My previous employers obligation to provide me with COBRA insurance came to an end on 30 September.
Faced with the need to mitigate the potential risk to all that I've worked for & saved, I stopped in
at the BCBS service center which is conveniently located right across the street from school.
I had been paying Chouest $437 a month for the same great coverage which had previously cost me $104.30
(I thought the higher premium was still a bargain, thank you Gary Chouest!) & I expected to have to
start paying the same or more for a significantly higher deductible.
Instead, the ACA will provide assistance, which will result in a monthly premium of just $22.55 with no deductible &
a $2500 annual max out of pocket expense.
If you make less than $12,060 per year you get zip.
Passive income counts & I qualify for 2019 with the following projections:
$8,200 - Pell Grant estimate
$12,000 - expected dividends & cap gains
I expect to take advantage of this until May of 2022 when I'll earn a Bachelors degree & get back to work.
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I thought this might interest anyone who has a friend or relative who needs assistance but hasn't yet gotten it.
Open enrollment is going on NOW.
Anyone who feels like I'm a slacker for doing this should examine whether they enjoy professional musical entertainment after a hard day at the office.
(They should also follow me around for a week to see how hard this stuff actually is...)
So much for the US Health Care System. If you are a healthy person in good mental shape, alone maneuvering this system may eventually put you on medication.
I'm deeply distracted by the sunk cost fallacy & find it difficult to sell shares of MO which are slightly underwater.
I know that I should sell if I don't believe that management is making good moves (and I don't.)
I should turn that into an if/then statement & see if it's a tautology.
Or would it be better to use a Venn diagram?
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The amount of brain damage that single payer system would save US citizens alone makes it worth it. ;D
I'm single & was paying for drinks at the FloraBama last night.
I feel a lot more sane today.
That is all.
;D
water and advil, my friend ;D ;D
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Did some spring cleaning
MO
NEWR
PANW
HACK
LSXMK
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BBH for a 30ish % gain in a non-taxable account.
Slowly paring down the number of things I own.
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Sold the remainder ( except one share) of my few PDER shares.
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Wrote 300-strike April 26 expiration calls on TSLA, $2.40 a share.
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Wrote 300-strike April 26 expiration calls on TSLA, $2.40 a share.
You wrote naked calls? Before the hype event next week?
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Wrote 300-strike April 26 expiration calls on TSLA, $2.40 a share.
You wrote naked calls? Before the hype event next week?
Yes, naked calls. I would love for Tesla to be successful. I had a model 3 on order but canceled it, I believe back in January.
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Most things. I've raised a significant cash position recently. My reasoning is below.
https://twitter.com/tonyjclayton/status/1118205158721249280
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Shorted SMH and XHB
Thanks
Lance
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5% of my GXE position. But only because I had a 50% gain in an already large position in a matter of weeks. Bought more CRC leaps instead.
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I feel I need to de-risk my portfolio a bit. Probably the best thing to do is simply move to cash. However, I have to ask if anyone sees any good puts for general portfolio protection? In other words, what is very overpriced, will get hammered in a general economic slowdown and has leaps available?
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Sold some EPAM to bring down position size. Sold TCEHY and PLCE
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Sold off half my LBRDA. It seems to have outperformed CHTR ( which I own as well).
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Sold all my COKE (the bottling company). Almost a double YTD and had to cash that in, then it went up another 4% after that.
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AAPL & LBRDK, both purchased in late December/early January.
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Shorted VBK. Closed SMH short.
Thanks
Lance
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Shorted VBK. Closed SMH short.
Thanks
Lance
Curious on your thesis for shorting VBK?
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Hi Castanza - am anticipating volatility and lower prices over the next 6 months, but don’t want to part with anything and I’m already sitting on a pile of TLT. I think VBK has more downside than the S&P 500. Also, will short SMH again and add to XHB short on future increases.
Thanks
Lance
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MFCB
Finally!
I have owned this dog for 3 long ugly years. Avg price >$10. Had too much, so couldn't stomach averaging down when it was in the $4s six months ago. Held off selling until opening today (luck, was trying yesterday - just didn't get filled), and scale sold all the way up. You know that feeling when you don't care if buyers make money from here? I don't care that I am selling at <60% of "book" value. Good riddance MFCB and Michael Smith.
This company reminds me a bit of the Dumbdees - "good" resource related Canadian investor goes bad; no really, really bad. Epic destroyer of capital, hubris, etc.
I suppose there should be a lesson in this for me. I don't mind investigating these train wrecks. I love the volatility. They do have potential for multi-bagger gains from the lows. I've done better in Dumbdee - maybe because I started with the preferreds, started smaller and traded around the position several times.
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MFCB
Finally!
I have owned this dog for 3 long ugly years. Avg price >$10. Had too much, so couldn't stomach averaging down when it was in the $4s six months ago. Held off selling until opening today (luck, was trying yesterday - just didn't get filled), and scale sold all the way up. You know that feeling when you don't care if buyers make money from here? I don't care that I am selling at <60% of "book" value. Good riddance MFCB and Michael Smith.
This company reminds me a bit of the Dumbdees - "good" resource related Canadian investor goes bad; no really, really bad. Epic destroyer of capital, hubris, etc.
I suppose there should be a lesson in this for me. I don't mind investigating these train wrecks. I love the volatility. They do have potential for multi-bagger gains from the lows. I've done better in Dumbdee - maybe because I started with the preferreds, started smaller and traded around the position several times.
Agreed. I did well on MFCB (bought at $5, sold at $8.50) but felt at that time the margin of safety wasn't there anymore. Obviously sold way too soon. Completely agree on management here, although they do seem to be doing the right things right now - simplifying balance sheet, paying off debt, focusing on the iron ore royalty. I actually think the name change they announced (to "scully incorporated") is potentially a big deal. Its stupid that matters, but I think Canadian mining investors will be more comfortable buying it if the royalty is right in the name. If they made it a pass through (like LIF) there would still be big upside from here.
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Hi Castanza - am anticipating volatility and lower prices over the next 6 months, but don’t want to part with anything and I’m already sitting on a pile of TLT. I think VBK has more downside than the S&P 500. Also, will short SMH again and add to XHB short on future increases.
Thanks
Lance
Hi Lance,
In this cycle, I have parked a variable amount of "excess" cash in TLT.
An argument could be made that it is becoming increasingly reckless to invest in "risk-free" long-term bonds with a shorter-duration mindset but what else is new?
In a 1999 investors' expectations article, Mr. Buffett quipped that if one thought that the US was becoming like Japan, the way to go was to buy options on bonds. He also "expected" that the Dow Jones would return about 6% over time.
In that article, he compared the return (total return, per year) of a government 30-yr bond to the Dow Jones (1981-1998).
30 yr-bond: 13% (!)
Dow Jones: 19% (!)
Since then:
30-yr bond: 7.8%
S&P: 5.4%
1981 to now:
30-yr bond: about 10%
stock index: about 11%
Further easing would likely put the 30-yr bond back in the leading position and I wouldn't want to be in charge of a pension fund right now.
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MFCB
Finally!
I have owned this dog for 3 long ugly years. Avg price >$10. Had too much, so couldn't stomach averaging down when it was in the $4s six months ago. Held off selling until opening today (luck, was trying yesterday - just didn't get filled), and scale sold all the way up. You know that feeling when you don't care if buyers make money from here? I don't care that I am selling at <60% of "book" value. Good riddance MFCB and Michael Smith.
This company reminds me a bit of the Dumbdees - "good" resource related Canadian investor goes bad; no really, really bad. Epic destroyer of capital, hubris, etc.
I suppose there should be a lesson in this for me. I don't mind investigating these train wrecks. I love the volatility. They do have potential for multi-bagger gains from the lows. I've done better in Dumbdee - maybe because I started with the preferreds, started smaller and traded around the position several times.
That feeling of relief and joy, when pigs in the portfolio fly, is priceless!
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM].
I'm trying here to reduce risk.
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sold the last of my TSLA Puts for 100+% gain in the last year.
Decided to leave the drama behind but this probably means I am leaving money on the table.
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Sold 10% of my BX. Still cheap, but I think short term its overshot.
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Sold 75% of my HSY - Hershey position. Merely profit taking as it was my best performer this past year. Cost average was 95ish and sold today for 136. My thesis hasn't changed much on the company in general, but this rapid ramp up in price made me want to take some profits.
Edit: Tariff tensions are making me a bit uneasy with HSY. The three Mexican plants are quite important in supporting the North American supply chain. I'm uncertain how tariffs will affect the NA segment. NA makes up about 89% of HSY market where Brazil, MX, China, India make up most of the remaining market share. India is their fastest growing international market.
One thing I do like is Hershey owns all but 2(located in Georgia and NY) manufacturing plants. And in general, their products are manufactured in the marketplace which they will be selling. This helps reduce risk somewhat. Noticed a large surge in $125 August puts today and figured, might as well take profits. Honestly, this has been one of my best plays.
Link to the 10-k if anyone was interested. Don't think I've seen this stock covered on here.
https://www.thehersheycompany.com/content/dam/corporate-us/documents/annual-reports/2019-proxy-statement.pdf
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Sold LBRDA and CHTR over the past few days. It may be a stupid decision as CHTR is on the cusp of gushing FCF, but I have made good returns on them in 16 months so I think there could be better opportunities in the rest of the Liberty empire and the rest of the market. Sitting on about 30% cash at the moment.
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Trimming CRSP.
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Sold off more than half of my Alliance Data (ADS) shares. When they sold off a big chunk of their business at an okay price and it still didn't move the needle for them I started getting tired of waiting.
As I get more concerned about the economy, a company that has credit card receivables starts to look less attractive when you can pick up some BRK at under $200 (Buffett was buying back shares at a little more than this price last quarter) and FRFHF and Fairfax India at decent prices too, and they tend to scoop up bargains when it gets ugly on the street.
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Sold DIS. I think it is fully valued.
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Shorted TSLA
Thanks
Lance
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Sold DIS. I think it is fully valued.
I think the price is going much higher. They're going to have excellent subscription numbers for the Disney+ channel. More Blockbuster movies on the way including Toy Story 4, Star Wars Episode 9, Frozen 2, and Lion King.
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Sold DIS. I think it is fully valued.
I think the price is going much higher. They're going to have excellent subscription numbers for the Disney+ channel. More Blockbuster movies on the way including Toy Story 4, Star Wars Episode 9, Frozen 2, and Lion King.
Possibly true. I am mostly worried about ESPN.
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EXO.MI, FCAU, FRA.DE
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Sold DIS. I think it is fully valued.
I feel the same way about their valuation. But every single time I've sold something I believe to be an excellent business for that reason I've regretted it, so I'm holding for now.
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EXO.MI, FCAU, FRA.DE
Spekulatius,
I've - with great interest - been following your moves for years. [However I do not understand some of your moves, to me basically because your investment universe is much larger than mine, based on that you have multiples of investment experience & stock picking knowledge compared to me.]
This move by you is a surprise to me with regard to EXOR.MI & FCAU [I'm unopinionated with regard to FRA.DE.] If you would take the time to elaborate just a bit on your line of thinking here, I would personally appreciate it very much.
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EXO.MI, FCAU, FRA.DE
Spekulatius,
I've - with great interest - been following your moves for years. [However I do not understand some of your moves, to me basically because your investment universe is much larger than mine, based on that you have multiples of investment experience & stock picking knowledge compared to me.]
This move by you is a surprise to me with regard to EXOR.MI & FCAU [I'm unopinionated with regard to FRA.DE.] If you would take the time to elaborate just a bit on your line of thinking here, I would personally appreciate it very much.
As far as EXO.MI is concerned, I made the decision to reduce cyclicals, especially automotive in my portfolio. EXO via FCAU and CNHI (the latter may be overvalued actually) is quite exposed. I have not changed my opinion on management. I only sold my position in tax deferred account and keep my position on a taxable account.
FRA.DE simply has reached my valuation target. I am surprised it rerated that quickly, because they will have negative FCF due to an investment in Capex for the next few years.
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Thank you for sharing, Spekulatius.
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Not a big deal, but 1-3 year Treasurys.
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Shorting more TSLA.
Thanks
Lance
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
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MX and EBAY
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Sold out all of my Apple (AAPL) shares and about a third of my Liberty Latin America (LILAK) shares.
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Sold out all of my Apple (AAPL) shares and about a third of my Liberty Latin America (LILAK) shares.
I sold the rest of my Apple too & will be happy to get exposure to them through BRK.
Also sold:
1/2 of my Charter for a 50ish% gain in a bit over a year & will hold the rest in a tax advantaged account until whenever (Thank you Liberty :) )
1/2 of ABEV for a 16ish% gain & will hold the rest in a tax advantaged account until whenever also.
20% of my Disney for a 38ish% gain & will hold the rest in taxable account until same.
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Marshaling cash (again) & I would repurchase any of these on significant weakness (probably...)
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FRFHF, ENB and DVA. I sold ENB due to Line 3 and now Line 5 troubles. DVA was stub position and was sold due to poor fundamentals are. FRFHF will be converted into BRK.B eventually.
I also trimmed WFC a bit as I was way too overweighted and I am getting concerned about earnings power at lower interest rates. I would buy it back if shares fall back a little again.
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CTVA
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HHC
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HHC
Same here. That went well.
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HHC
Same here. That went well.
I pushed the sell button on this one a little too quickly this morning, which was an unforced error. That said, it's hard to complain about the results for a position I held less than 48 hours. I thought it was a little too cheap in the mid $90s, but I'm not nearly as bullish on HHC as some of this forum are.
I also sold my small Bayer position this morning.
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HHC
Same here. That went well.
I pushed the sell button on this one a little too quickly this morning, which was an unforced error. That said, it's hard to complain about the results for a position I held less than 48 hours. I thought it was a little too cheap in the mid $90s, but I'm not nearly as bullish on HHC as some of this forum are.
I also sold my small Bayer position this morning.
Yea I bought this thinking if I could get a quick bounce to $100 I'd be thrilled. Did a little better than that, but not much. Dont care. Like you, I am not as hot on this as others, although that isn't to say I don't like it. When you trade, you have to follow your rules and be disciplined. While theres always remorse when something keeps soaring, you have to remember that pigs get slaughtered. I dont really ever sell my core holdings, and I trade on margin, so staying within the parameters I set for myself entering a trade, is a must.
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^ Same here. It’s polite to leave some money on the table for the guy buying the stock you just sold. Igor more than 20% out of my purchase and rolled the proceeds into VNO
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Trimmed FRPH into that late day spike north of $55.
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FRFHF will be converted into BRK.B eventually.
I own both and have not bought or sold either in a while. I like both as counter-cyclical bets because they tend to get great deals in a downturn. Why do you prefer BRK? (I think it's a great company, but so big that I wonder if there are more doubles or triples in there)
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
Sold a bit less than one third of my fathers position in SAN today [at a loss]. It appears the account won't stay under the set goal/max. exposure, set now more than 5 years ago. I will drag out the cash [for good], when it's available after two days, if things don't fall back again.
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It's starting to feel like raising a tent on a windy spot on sandy soil, where the tent plugs on the windy side of tent get dragged up from the soil by the wind pressure on the tent, where you use the rubber hammer again and again on the plugs. The difference between this activity and the "tent-plugs-won't-stay-in-the-sandy-soil-because-of-wind" analogy is that this activity does not feel annoying. I begin to understand how Mike [boilermaker] feels when Mike has been selling Berkshire B puts below 200.
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Sold UA and sold YELP.
UA appreciated significantly and the business has not turned around much if at all over a couple years. Meanwhile the stock is up 75-80%.
YELP I bought into based on someone else's research without doing adequate research of my own. I am not comfortable with the direction of the business and this is a good reminder to always do my own work, even if piggybacking on successful investors.
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Trimming some CLF and probably BX too. What an under the radar monster BX has been this year. Even prior to the conversion announcement.
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Trimming some CLF and probably BX too. What an under the radar monster BX has been this year. Even prior to the conversion announcement.
Gregmal - between BX and HHC you're killing it.
Sold FPF and bought back TLT puts.
Thanks
Lance
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Trimming some CLF and probably BX too. What an under the radar monster BX has been this year. Even prior to the conversion announcement.
Gregmal - between BX and HHC you're killing it.
Sold FPF and bought back TLT puts.
Thanks
Lance
Thanks. HHC was just a lucky timing thing on a gut feeling. BX is a longer term position for me and proof patience pays off. Now if only GM can follow suit... I am getting a little bearish though...
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Sold GM at open on Monday.
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
Sold a bit less than one third of my fathers position in SAN today [at a loss]. It appears the account won't stay under the set goal/max. exposure, set now more than 5 years ago. I will drag out the cash [for good], when it's available after two days, if things don't fall back again. ...
Sold a bit more SAN today.
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Sold to close OSTK $10 Sept calls
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Sold to close Aug 16 $17.5 calls at 76% gain. Could be more upside but I couldn't pass up 76% gain in a matter of 15 days. Might buy in again if there is a pullback.
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Trimming CVS a bit
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trimming some CLF
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Sold 75% of my HSY - Hershey position. Merely profit taking as it was my best performer this past year. Cost average was 95ish and sold today for 136. My thesis hasn't changed much on the company in general, but this rapid ramp up in price made me want to take some profits.
Edit: Tariff tensions are making me a bit uneasy with HSY. The three Mexican plants are quite important in supporting the North American supply chain. I'm uncertain how tariffs will affect the NA segment. NA makes up about 89% of HSY market where Brazil, MX, China, India make up most of the remaining market share. India is their fastest growing international market.
One thing I do like is Hershey owns all but 2(located in Georgia and NY) manufacturing plants. And in general, their products are manufactured in the marketplace which they will be selling. This helps reduce risk somewhat. Noticed a large surge in $125 August puts today and figured, might as well take profits. Honestly, this has been one of my best plays.
Link to the 10-k if anyone was interested. Don't think I've seen this stock covered on here.
https://www.thehersheycompany.com/content/dam/corporate-us/documents/annual-reports/2019-proxy-statement.pdf
Kicking myself one month later...who would have thought this was going to keep running?!
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Sold last of my NXPI premarket at 102. Busted merger play that ended up producing a respectable shorter term IRR after trading around it(December helped big time).
Noticing a trend with this company that I'm not a fan of, and I'm already overweight GOOG, GM, and CIBR, which roundaboutly cover all the things I felt I liked about NXPI.
EDIT: Also sold last of my JOE; again, thanks December!
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EDIT: Also sold last of my JOE; again, thanks December!
Did you buy JOE in December? If so, you did great. I'm still a holder.
Been selling off a little of HHC. Still like the company and the assets, but I see some cheaper stuff out there and I'm overweight in real estate (also own SRG and TPHS).
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EDIT: Also sold last of my JOE; again, thanks December!
Did you buy JOE in December? If so, you did great. I'm still a holder.
Been selling off a little of HHC. Still like the company and the assets, but I see some cheaper stuff out there and I'm overweight in real estate (also own SRG and TPHS).
Same deal for me, just somewhat different names. Too much cheap real estate. If I can easily determine a real estate company is sitting on assets(or debt) that won't turn the equity into a 0, just wait for a big enough pullback or margin of safety and then buy it on margin. The downside is not all of those can be long term holdings.
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Sold my DF position for a nice return. I was planning to go long but recent run up isn't based on any fundamentals and tomorrows earnings report is likely to be more bad news.
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Sold my DF position for a nice return. I was planning to go long but recent run up isn't based on any fundamentals and tomorrows earnings report is likely to be more bad news.
Impressive return during your holding period.
It seems that Mr. Market is offering another opportunity unless the latest report has changed your assessment of the fundamentals?
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EDIT: Also sold last of my JOE; again, thanks December!
Did you buy JOE in December? If so, you did great. I'm still a holder.
Been selling off a little of HHC. Still like the company and the assets, but I see some cheaper stuff out there and I'm overweight in real estate (also own SRG and TPHS).
Same deal for me, just somewhat different names. Too much cheap real estate. If I can easily determine a real estate company is sitting on assets(or debt) that won't turn the equity into a 0, just wait for a big enough pullback or margin of safety and then buy it on margin. The downside is not all of those can be long term holdings.
I have learned that lesson via companies like Keck Seng, where compounding over long periods is hard if management overpays for assets.
Right now, I still hold HHC, but I'm more interested in adding to Griffin Industrial and FRP Holdings. Griffin seems clearly undervalued to NAV, NAV appears to be growing, and you can see a 3-5 plan (maybe sooner) on how that gap would close, particularly if interest rates stay low. FRP's NAV, on the other hand, is tougher to estimate, but you get to invest alongside the Bakers at the same prices (or lower) that they are buying back shares. You could do much worse than simply giving the Bakers your money via FRP and watch them act prudently and harvest assets at the right time, as they've done many times in the past. And if you want to see what a great asset looks, just look at what they don't sell -- royalties on rock piles.
One real-estate related company that I've haven't seen discussed on here is Canterbury Park Holdings. That may interest some on here, but it's much more of a single asset real estate play, and the attached race track operating business is having issues.
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EDIT: Also sold last of my JOE; again, thanks December!
Did you buy JOE in December? If so, you did great. I'm still a holder.
Been selling off a little of HHC. Still like the company and the assets, but I see some cheaper stuff out there and I'm overweight in real estate (also own SRG and TPHS).
Same deal for me, just somewhat different names. Too much cheap real estate. If I can easily determine a real estate company is sitting on assets(or debt) that won't turn the equity into a 0, just wait for a big enough pullback or margin of safety and then buy it on margin. The downside is not all of those can be long term holdings.
I have learned that lesson via companies like Keck Seng, where compounding over long periods is hard if management overpays for assets.
Right now, I still hold HHC, but I'm more interested in adding to Griffin Industrial and FRP Holdings. Griffin seems clearly undervalued to NAV, NAV appears to be growing, and you can see a 3-5 plan (maybe sooner) on how that gap would close, particularly if interest rates stay low. FRP's NAV, on the other hand, is tougher to estimate, but you get to invest alongside the Bakers at the same prices (or lower) that they are buying back shares. You could do much worse than simply giving the Bakers your money via FRP and watch them act prudently and harvest assets at the right time, as they've done many times in the past. And if you want to see what a great asset looks, just look at what they don't sell -- royalties on rock piles.
One real-estate related company that I've haven't seen discussed on here is Canterbury Park Holdings. That may interest some on here, but it's much more of a single asset real estate play, and the attached race track operating business is having issues.
Aha! You've been using the same strategy? Buying below FRPH disclosed repurchase prices has worked well.
Have not heard of Canterbury. Sounds a little like Dover Downs. Thanks
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Sold REZI after the earnings report. I had reduced my position before the CC, but sold out after. While they made the revenue and earnings number, it was a very low quality report. Gross margin does and the pro forma # excludes the indemnity payment to HON (capped at $140M/ year). This payment is represented on the balance sheet as a $580M liability , but I think it will cost more. Anyway, thy have about $1.1B in debt (costing ~$70M in interest) and don’t seem to be able to generate any FCF currently. I misjudged this, it’s another crappo spinoff (GTX is a sinking ship also), so I take my 15% loss and move on.
KTB is doing better than I thought, also the earnings report is nothing to write home about either.
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Sold PRSP. Seems fully valued.
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Sold another portion of the residual TLT (20-30 yr US gov. bond ETF) position.
Moving away from macro trends as this position makes less and less sense from a long term (and fundamental) point of view.
Have kept a smallish position in case the reflexive crowd takes over before the whatever it takes modern fiscal stimulus crowd does.
An interesting aspect is that the pre-defined trigger (price) for the sale of that portion was met before actual economic deterioration made it to the surface, a combination of divergence I never thought possible when this theme was developed in my portfolios years ago.
What is unfolding is absolutely fascinating.
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Sold another portion of the residual TLT (20-30 yr US gov. bond ETF) position.
Moving away from macro trends as this position makes less and less sense from a long term (and fundamental) point of view.
Have kept a smallish position in case the reflexive crowd takes over before the whatever it takes modern fiscal stimulus crowd does.
An interesting aspect is that the pre-defined trigger (price) for the sale of that portion was met before actual economic deterioration made it to the surface, a combination of divergence I never thought possible when this theme was developed in my portfolios years ago.
What is unfolding is absolutely fascinating.
I tend to agree. Bonds are literally screaming recession and stocks are still bumping along like it's not a big deal.
I wasn't old enough, or educated enough, to recall much of the events from 2000 and 2008 (other than I was the naive idiot buying banks, autos, and dry shippers in 2007/2008 ), but this seems crazy and I'm assuming is atypical.
It's not so much a divergence in performance that bothers me, but the divergence in the narrative.
Bonds are saying there's no need to be concerned with inflation and/or GDP growth is going to be muted for the next 30-years.
Stocks plucking along at high P/Es with near record margins suggests equity markets see no danger to nominal GDP growth/inflation.
I know I've sounded like a broken record since 2016, but my concern is contracting multiples on top of contracting earnings. Not hard to get a 60% decline in such a scenario.
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Sold another portion of the residual TLT (20-30 yr US gov. bond ETF) position.
Moving away from macro trends as this position makes less and less sense from a long term (and fundamental) point of view.
Have kept a smallish position in case the reflexive crowd takes over before the whatever it takes modern fiscal stimulus crowd does.
An interesting aspect is that the pre-defined trigger (price) for the sale of that portion was met before actual economic deterioration made it to the surface, a combination of divergence I never thought possible when this theme was developed in my portfolios years ago.
What is unfolding is absolutely fascinating.
I tend to agree. Bonds are literally screaming recession and stocks are still bumping along like it's not a big deal.
I wasn't old enough, or educated enough, to recall much of the events from 2000 and 2008 (other than I was the naive idiot buying banks, autos, and dry shippers in 2007/2008 ), but this seems crazy and I'm assuming is atypical.
It's not so much a divergence in performance that bothers me, but the divergence in the narrative.
Bonds are saying there's no need to be concerned with inflation and/or GDP growth is going to be muted for the next 30-years.
Stocks plucking along at high P/Es with near record margins suggests equity markets see no danger to nominal GDP growth/inflation.
I know I've sounded like a broken record since 2016, but my concern is contracting multiples on top of contracting earnings. Not hard to get a 60% decline in such a scenario.
Congrats to Cigarbutt and others for the successful trade. I agree that it is probably a good idea to avoid overplaying this one.
Regarding the divergence between the bond and stock markets, I think the general consensus among macro traders has long been that the bond market tends to be the better forecaster. This tendency may have strengthened in recent years by the rise of algorithmic trading and passive investing in equity markets.
I personally think the big long term risk for equities in general now is political, i.e., changes in regulations/taxes/etc that make businesses much less profitable. We’re already seeing all sorts of signs pointing in that direction. This is also the worst type of risk for investors IMO because it is the kind of thing that can potentially cause businesses to gradually lose their value over the course of many years and not recover.
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I think that you guys ignore that there are 2 stock markets: the hyped/new/very large high tech and the rest trading like a depression is coming.
Cardboard
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I think that you guys ignore that there are 2 stock markets: the hyped/new/very large high tech and the rest trading like a depression is coming.
Cardboard
I own oil stocks Cardboard. Along with other base metal royalty owners and producers, a few good miners, and a ton of EM exposure particularly to Russia.
I know where the market is cheap - but cheap sectors get cheaper in a recession so why blow the load and throw caution to the wind just because SOME areas are cheap now?
I'd rather wait for everything to get cheap and throw darts at the board.
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I wish puts were cheaper, but with a VIX if 19, puts are a no- go for me, so I raise some cash instead. I do share the aforementioned concerns.
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Trimmed about 10% of my BX. Dont know what's wrong with this stock but it won't go down...
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Trimmed about 10% of my BX. Dont know what's wrong with this stock but it won't go down...
-Have followed BX for a long time and thought they did very well bridging the 2007-9 period (well timed IPO, timely reversal to mortgage exposures).
-Since that time, the market return on BX has been more lumpy and to some extent better (especially if measured after the recent run) than the S&P index.
-Is Mr. Byron Wien still around? I felt he was an interesting contrarian input vs downside risk.
-Alternative asset managers have done very well in this investor post-traumatic stress syndrome and reaching for alternative yield world and, in retrospect, it's a good thing they didn't follow Mr. Wien's instincts.
-In the PE world, it seems to me that leveraged deals are more leveraged and coverage ratios are tighter. Is BX following the trend and is the reported carried interest at risk?
-In one sentence, where do you see BX in 5 to 10 years?
https://www.blackstone.com/media/press-releases/article/the-smartest-man-is-a-firedancer
https://www.blackstone.com/docs/default-source/black-papers/seeking-an-alternative_standard_v68_web.pdf?sfvrsn=fd0c2cad_22
Feel free not to answer or start a new thread.
FWIW, I'm still working on a life lesson mentioned by Mr. Wien some time ago:
"Younger people are naturally insecure and tend to overplay their accomplishments. Most people don't become comfortable with who they are until they're in their 40's. By that time they can underplay their achievements and become a nicer more likeable person. Try to get to that point as soon as you can." :)
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Paired down some CVS at $63. ~18% total return in about 6 months... still think its got some upside, but looking to raise some cash. Just another example of a super obvious, not going anywhere/will be around forever, blue chip with an above average yield and single digit pe....right there for the taking.. but yea, the markets overvalued...
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I wish puts were cheaper, but with a VIX if 19, puts are a no- go for me, so I raise some cash instead. I do share the aforementioned concerns.
Are you buying puts with the VIX around 16?
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Gregmal is the smart guy here: buys cheap, quality stocks that he could hold on for a long time if they continue to drop and sells them for a nice profit (20-30%) if they rebound. Then rinse and repeat.
Seems to be the way to make money in this environment.
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Gregmal is the smart guy here: buys cheap, quality stocks that he could hold on for a long time if they continue to drop and sells them for a nice profit (20-30%) if they rebound. Then rinse and repeat.
Seems to be the way to make money in this environment.
Its the only way.
3 guys.
Average income in US in something like $70K a year.
Each are miraculously thrifty and save like there is no tomorrow. Each save $20,000 a year.
Guy 1 is a pussy and just puts it in a savings account yielding 0.1%. After 20 years he has ~$425K and as a result, has to continue slaving away because he can't afford to retire.
Guy 2 is also a pussy, but a little more adventurous. He buys bonds yielding ~2.5%. After 20 years he has ~$550k and shares the same fate as guy 1.
Guy 3 is a savvy investor and aware that cash is trash and bonds are the equivalent of picking up pennies in front of a freight train. He invests in quality companies and averages 10% a year. After 20 years he has ~$1.4M, is retired, spends half his time in Florida, and owns the business that employs guys 1 and 2....
Owning quality assets(even on margin) has time and again been a wise decision. Keep it simple. Figure out how to value businesses, and let time take care of itself. They should teach this is high school rather than home ec and wood shop...
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I wish puts were cheaper, but with a VIX if 19, puts are a no- go for me, so I raise some cash instead. I do share the aforementioned concerns.
Are you buying puts with the VIX around 16?
No, I have not yet done any put buying. I’d like to see premiums coming down more and look for a VIX around 13. I haven’t made a decision if I follow through at all this time, I have been trimming positions , especially in anything that is cyclical.
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Trimmed 25% of ENDP position started last Friday
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Sold my remaining $BREW Sept 20 $12.5 and $10 puts.
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Sold me last batch of FB shares ( yesterday )
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Sold my BRK today for a nice quick 3.5% gain. Buy BRK under $200 and sell for a small gain has worked well for me a few times this year. I tend to buy a large amount (10 to 20% position) so am happy to book a small gain. Back to cash and wait for the next shitstorm. The economic news continues to slowly deteriorate.
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Sold covered calls on KIM.
Thanks
Lance
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Sold some WBA and SPB
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BNTGY, RYCEY, MOG-A, trimmed some FOX and CMCSA
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Sold my BRK today for a nice quick 3.5% gain. Buy BRK under $200 and sell for a small gain has worked well for me a few times this year. I tend to buy a large amount (10 to 20% position) so am happy to book a small gain. Back to cash and wait for the next shitstorm. The economic news continues to slowly deteriorate.
Some days I envy your tax situation on trading, Viking,
explained by you - for your part - earlier here on CoBF. [ : - ) ]
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Move next door to Belgium. No capital gain tax.
Cardboard
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Move next door to Belgium. No capital gain tax.
Cardboard
It's true. I discussed it years ago with wachtwoord here on CoBF. To me, it's not going to happen as long as my father is still around. [My father is the last person still alive in the generation "above" the Lady of the House and I.] The time will come, eventually, after all the stuff related to settling my father's estate is done and cleared., to study the overall situation.
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Trimmed ENDP, TEVA
EDIT: closed all ENDP, didn't like the price action/reversal.
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Sold NUVR ( concerns over negative comps next quarter ) and GRIF ( quick trade, bought at ~$34 a couple of days ago ). This is my second round trip with GRIF.
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More WBA
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More WBA
What are your thoughts on exiting WBA?
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Sold NUVR ( concerns over negative comps next quarter ) and GRIF ( quick trade, bought at ~$34 a couple of days ago ). This is my second round trip with GRIF.
Edit: Also sold MSG (fear the Sphere)
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More WBA
What are your thoughts on exiting WBA?
Other opportunities I find more attractive, plus the thesis has stifted since I invested. I was attracted to a 10 pct FCF yield plus growth, but it has turned somewhat into a restructuring. They call it The Transformational Cost Management Program which gives me goosebumps. I think it'll work out okay, and that long term scripts growth will give them plenty to do, but I like the risk/reward better elsewhere.
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Sold GTS today for a quick small gain.
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Sold my NFLX puts for a 30% gain in 3 days!
Thank you Gregmal or genius of CoBF!
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Sold my NFLX puts for a 30% gain in 3 days!
Thank you Gregmal or genius of CoBF!
Glad you made money my man, took half off the NFLX short as I do agree short term this might have played out. Longer term its still in trouble IMO. Rolled the proceeds into a small OPK short. This one is terminally ill and there is little that can save it.
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Thanks Gregmal! These were Jan 2020 so I have learned not to be too greedy with short term expiries. Although, I may have been too early to jump the gun as this shows no support, nor accumulation yet.
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Thanks Gregmal! These were Jan 2020 so I have learned not to be too greedy with short term expiries. Although, I may have been too early to jump the gun as this shows no support, nor accumulation yet.
Timing is everything(see today). If you're going to trade, rule number one is never give up a profit. Rule number two, if you make money too quickly, take it off the table before you become the victim of mean reversion.
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Sold the last of my FNMA common
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Sold $MLR about a week ago at 33.5 a share. Couldn't pass up the 10% profit in a few weeks.
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Sold my SPY puts.
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TOO, -25%
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Sold out of my fannie mae preferreds, FNMAJ. There is still upside but with US politics playing such a huge role and sitting on a 65% gain, I just decided to take it.
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Got my 50c in a few weeks out of JOE, so back into GRIF. Also sold 80% of my MPC from May
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Shorted TSLA
Thanks
Lance
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Sold my smallish SMTA Position for a marginal game, after disappointing liquidation guidance (or do I read this wrong?).
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ESGR
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MPLX NOV 27 puts.
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covered a portion of the NFLX short from yesterday
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Sold some KTB.
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Sold some KTB.
Congrats to this trade!
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Sold REZI after the earnings report. I had reduced my position before the CC, but sold out after. While they made the revenue and earnings number, it was a very low quality report. Gross margin does and the pro forma # excludes the indemnity payment to HON (capped at $140M/ year). This payment is represented on the balance sheet as a $580M liability , but I think it will cost more. Anyway, thy have about $1.1B in debt (costing ~$70M in interest) and don’t seem to be able to generate any FCF currently. I misjudged this, it’s another crappo spinoff (GTX is a sinking ship also), so I take my 15% loss and move on.
KTB is doing better than I thought, also the earnings report is nothing to write home about either.
Ouch! Another guide down. I don’t own this crappola spin-off any more. Pre market trades around $9.5:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html)
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Sold REZI after the earnings report. I had reduced my position before the CC, but sold out after. While they made the revenue and earnings number, it was a very low quality report. Gross margin does and the pro forma # excludes the indemnity payment to HON (capped at $140M/ year). This payment is represented on the balance sheet as a $580M liability , but I think it will cost more. Anyway, thy have about $1.1B in debt (costing ~$70M in interest) and don’t seem to be able to generate any FCF currently. I misjudged this, it’s another crappo spinoff (GTX is a sinking ship also), so I take my 15% loss and move on.
KTB is doing better than I thought, also the earnings report is nothing to write home about either.
Ouch! Another guide down. I don’t own this crappola spin-off any more. Pre market trades around $9.5:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html)
I am not as familiar with REZI, but my conclusion on GTX was that it is a solid, if somewhat cyclical, business weighed down by excessive debt and asbestos liabilities.
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Sold REZI after the earnings report. I had reduced my position before the CC, but sold out after. While they made the revenue and earnings number, it was a very low quality report. Gross margin does and the pro forma # excludes the indemnity payment to HON (capped at $140M/ year). This payment is represented on the balance sheet as a $580M liability , but I think it will cost more. Anyway, thy have about $1.1B in debt (costing ~$70M in interest) and don’t seem to be able to generate any FCF currently. I misjudged this, it’s another crappo spinoff (GTX is a sinking ship also), so I take my 15% loss and move on.
KTB is doing better than I thought, also the earnings report is nothing to write home about either.
Ouch! Another guide down. I don’t own this crappola spin-off any more. Pre market trades around $9.5:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html)
I am not as familiar with REZI, but my conclusion on GTX was that it is a solid, if somewhat cyclical, business weighed down by excessive debt and asbestos liabilities.
GTX is interesting due to high margins, a flexible cost structure as well as high leverage (and capped asbestos liability that can be deferred in crisis ), but diesel is a major headwind and not sure they can make up for that with gas. Anyway, whenever I get tempted, I look at Linamar and figure it's cheaper, better in the long run and with a lot more optionality.
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Sold REZI after the earnings report. I had reduced my position before the CC, but sold out after. While they made the revenue and earnings number, it was a very low quality report. Gross margin does and the pro forma # excludes the indemnity payment to HON (capped at $140M/ year). This payment is represented on the balance sheet as a $580M liability , but I think it will cost more. Anyway, thy have about $1.1B in debt (costing ~$70M in interest) and don’t seem to be able to generate any FCF currently. I misjudged this, it’s another crappo spinoff (GTX is a sinking ship also), so I take my 15% loss and move on.
KTB is doing better than I thought, also the earnings report is nothing to write home about either.
Ouch! Another guide down. I don’t own this crappola spin-off any more. Pre market trades around $9.5:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/resideo-announces-selected-preliminary-third-212500494.html)
I am not as familiar with REZI, but my conclusion on GTX was that it is a solid, if somewhat cyclical, business weighed down by excessive debt and asbestos liabilities.
GTX is interesting due to high margins, a flexible cost structure as well as high leverage (and capped asbestos liability that can be deferred in crisis ), but diesel is a major headwind and not sure they can make up for that with gas. Anyway, whenever I get tempted, I look at Linamar and figure it's cheaper, better in the long run and with a lot more optionality.
I agree on GTX. My main concern is that GTX turbocharger business will go away entirely with electrification. A supplier like Linamar can replace lost business, but GTX cannot, and even if they could the margins of any new business would most likely be lower than what they currently earn.
REZI issue is margin pressure - I think they are getting commoditized. I will keep it on my watch list, but I don’t think I am likely to touch it.
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Closing PTON puts
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
Sold a bit less than one third of my fathers position in SAN today [at a loss]. It appears the account won't stay under the set goal/max. exposure, set now more than 5 years ago. I will drag out the cash [for good], when it's available after two days, if things don't fall back again. ...
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
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exited MPC
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Trimmed GM, CRSP, GRIF. Still holding positions but looking to continue tapering down the margin balance into next year.
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Sold my NOW trading shares.
Is it just me - I think the new CEO Bill McDermott with his tinted glasses and bling watch looks more like a strip club owner than a CEO.
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
Sold a bit less than one third of my fathers position in SAN today [at a loss]. It appears the account won't stay under the set goal/max. exposure, set now more than 5 years ago. I will drag out the cash [for good], when it's available after two days, if things don't fall back again. ...
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
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Sold my over the weekend BRK trade position. Earnings were not as hoped for, but as expected. As they say though, good things happen when you go to the front of the net, ~$4 per share in 5 hours...
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Reduced position a bit in NOVO B.CPH [NVO][in my father's account], to buy BRK.B, combined with pulling money off the table [money, that will never end up on the table again, but that will be allocated to one of his "high interest rate" accounts at Bank Norwegian ASA or Santander Consumer Bank ASA - those accounts are not part of my defined AUM]....
Pulled out all available cash in my fathers account again today.
Sold a bit less than one third of my fathers position in SAN today [at a loss]. It appears the account won't stay under the set goal/max. exposure, set now more than 5 years ago. I will drag out the cash [for good], when it's available after two days, if things don't fall back again. ...
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
Sold a bit more SAN today.
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Sold a bit of NZYM B.CPH today.
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Sold the half of my PBF shares that were in my ROTH IRA account (no taxes due!). I started buying in the mid 20s, and followed it down. It's up 50% in the past few months from the bottom tick buy my average cost was above that so I'm up 32% on that one. Still holding the other half in my taxable account till the full year is up so that I can get the long term capital gains tax rate if I decide to sell. .
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1/3 CABO position. Just valuation.
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Sold a bit of :
VOW.DE [Volkswagen AG ST ON] &
DAI.DE [Daimler AG NA ON]
today.
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1/3 CABO position. Just valuation.
Brilliant🙄
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1/3 CABO position. Just valuation.
Brilliant🙄
Enjoy the 2/3!
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Trimmed a little more CRSP, and MSGN
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selling some DIS
EDIT: closed rest of DIS at $149. Will leave all the mumbo jumbo bs and 2023 projections to others to figure out....happy with $131 to here in 3 weeks.
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sold the RH I bought yesterday after hours for a few bucks