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Castanza

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2020, 07:06:51 AM »
What is the benefit of taking the vaccine for healthy individuals under the age of 30?

Attending live concerts, international travel, admittance to in-person university classes, contributing to the greater good as it relates to herd immunity.  And, you know, Gates and Soros whispering in your ear through the chip

You can still spread and carry covid even after receiving the vaccine (per CDC).

Edit: I love the responses from the holier than thou assholes on this forum. Neither asked me why. Neither answered the question from a health perspective on an individual basis. Here is a question for you two. Why should a young person take the vaccine which is in limited supply over and elderly high risk individual or frontline worker?

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« Last Edit: December 31, 2020, 07:11:32 AM by Castanza »
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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2020, 07:18:24 AM »
Not a plausible staement Castanza as the second shots to most have not been administered as of yet!

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2020, 07:19:59 AM »
I think we can take comfort in the fact that all those people who spent 6 months politicking and spreading fear about the vaccine, cough certain politicians, made it a point to jump the line and get vaccinated....that its probably a good idea for the rest of us.

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2020, 07:24:01 AM »
Are (specific) discussions bound to evolve that way?
The answer, from a purely individual perspective, is that there is no benefit now (scarcity) and later.
The answer though can become more complicated.

Read the following if you have 3 minutes even if it's 'scientific' and even if some uncertain hypotheses are thrown around.
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/12/21/why_did_reindeer_in_norway_eat_each_others_antlers_653829.html

From a purely individual perspective, the reindeer's best course of action is to enter into destructive behavior (both at the individual and collective levels). From an evolutionary standpoint, the right outcome is happening. i wonder if humans would have been able to deal with a similar challenge, given the inherent and baffling way to somehow be able to collaborate and cooperate?
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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2020, 07:29:13 AM »
What a strange reaction to my quoted answer to your question.  Did I seem to be screaming and emotional to you?  You asked about benefits for the under 30 set.  Perhaps I missed where you were not really asking.

What is the benefit of taking the vaccine for healthy individuals under the age of 30?

Attending live concerts, international travel, admittance to in-person university classes, contributing to the greater good as it relates to herd immunity.  And, you know, Gates and Soros whispering in your ear through the chip

You can still spread and carry covid even after receiving the vaccine (per CDC).

Edit: I love the responses from the holier than thou assholes on this forum. Neither asked me why. Neither answered the question from a health perspective on an individual basis. Here is a question for you two. Why should a young person take the vaccine which is in limited supply over and elderly high risk individual or frontline worker?

Overly emotional individuals like yourselves are cancer to society. Scream louder.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2020, 08:06:45 AM by gfp »

Castanza

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2020, 07:47:12 AM »
Not a plausible staement Castanza as the second shots to most have not been administered as of yet!

What is not plausible?

And for the record, Iím not against the vaccine. I will gladly take it. Iím asking what the benefit is health wise for a low risk individual. I work from home, my wife already had it (three days of symptoms). I tested negative towards the end of her 14 day quarantine and I quarantined for an additional 14 days. Didnít bother getting tested again.

Iím young and healthy. Seems selfish to take the vaccine when itís in scarce supply. But I guess to the ďbUh mY OuTDOOr COncERtĒ crowd; Iím the selfish one?

My wife is a nurse.

If I go get tested for covid and test positive she has to quarantine.
If I get the flu and test negative for covid, she has to quarantine.
If I get the vaccine and experience symptoms of covid, she has to quarantine.
If I get covid, have symptoms, and self isolate away from her....she still has to quarantine.
If I get covid and have no symptoms she doesnít have to quarantine because itís unknown if I have it.
If I get the vaccine and donít get covid symptoms I could still spread it and be contagious. (Per CDC)

Effectively she has to quarantine for everything and the vaccine provides no benefit to me or her (if I take). I simply take a dose from someone else when the vaccine is in short supply.
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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2020, 07:52:35 AM »
Most places will be rolling out their vaccines in a similar fashion to the below.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadians-vaccinated-covid-19-1.5854325

For the first phase of the vaccine rollout plan, NACI advised that initial doses should go to these four groups:
(1) Residents and staff of long-term care homes. (2) Adults 70 and older, beginning with people 80 and older, then decreasing by five-year increments to 70 as supply becomes available. (3) Health-care workers, including all those who work in clinical settings, and personal support workers who come in direct contact with patients. (4) Adults in Indigenous communities, where infection can have disproportionate consequences.

For Phase 2 of the vaccination rollout, NACI recommended that recipients include:
(1) Health-care workers who are not part of the initial rollout. (2) Residents and staff of all other congregate settings (e.g., living quarters for migrant workers, correctional facilities, homeless shelters). (3) Essential workers, including police, firefighters and those in food production.

So the choice as to WHEN you get vaccinated is entirely up to you.
If you are < 70 and this is important to you, do something useful in either healthcare, a congregate setting, or essential services.

Of course, you just have to get past your sh1tty 'ranking' in society first  ;D

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2020, 08:02:36 AM »
Most places will be rolling out their vaccines in a similar fashion to the below.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadians-vaccinated-covid-19-1.5854325

For the first phase of the vaccine rollout plan, NACI advised that initial doses should go to these four groups:
(1) Residents and staff of long-term care homes. (2) Adults 70 and older, beginning with people 80 and older, then decreasing by five-year increments to 70 as supply becomes available. (3) Health-care workers, including all those who work in clinical settings, and personal support workers who come in direct contact with patients. (4) Adults in Indigenous communities, where infection can have disproportionate consequences.

For Phase 2 of the vaccination rollout, NACI recommended that recipients include:
(1) Health-care workers who are not part of the initial rollout. (2) Residents and staff of all other congregate settings (e.g., living quarters for migrant workers, correctional facilities, homeless shelters). (3) Essential workers, including police, firefighters and those in food production.

So the choice as to WHEN you get vaccinated is entirely up to you.
If you are < 70 and this is important to you, do something useful in either healthcare, a congregate setting, or essential services.

Of course, you just have to get past your sh1tty 'ranking' in society first  ;D

SD

I would have ranked paramedics, who end up transporting covid patients fairly often, higher than adults in indigenous communities. I think race based decision making is generally a bad idea.

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2020, 08:06:26 AM »
Not a plausible staement Castanza as the second shots to most have not been administered as of yet!

What is not plausible?

And for the record, Iím not against the vaccine. I will gladly take it. Iím asking what the benefit is health wise for a low risk individual. I work from home, my wife already had it (three days of symptoms). I tested negative towards the end of her 14 day quarantine and I quarantined for an additional 14 days. Didnít bother getting tested again.

Iím young and healthy. Seems selfish to take the vaccine when itís in scarce supply. But I guess to the ďbUh mY OuTDOOr COncERtĒ crowd; Iím the selfish one?

My wife is a nurse.

If I go get tested for covid and test positive she has to quarantine.
If I get the flu and test negative for covid, she has to quarantine.
If I get the vaccine and experience symptoms of covid, she has to quarantine.
If I get covid, have symptoms, and self isolate away from her....she still has to quarantine.
If I get covid and have no symptoms she doesnít have to quarantine because itís unknown if I have it.
If I get the vaccine and donít get covid symptoms I could still spread it and be contagious. (Per CDC)

Effectively she has to quarantine for everything and the vaccine provides no benefit to me or her (if I take). I simply take a dose from someone else when the vaccine is in short supply.

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Re: When Will You Take a Vaccine?
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2020, 08:08:59 AM »
I love the responses from the holier than thou assholes on this forum.

Overly emotional individuals like yourselves are cancer to society. Scream louder.