Jeez! Always so much hostility Radman. As most here know, I was a GM shareholder for a while. A little more than 6 years. I bought in around $30 during the ignition switch scandal and was quite pleased with the work of Ms Barra for awhile. But the information does change sometimes. I hedged out my position and sold out at $35 at the beginning of the year as it became clear to me that there are better uses for the money, which there have definitely been. If, as you allude to, you're up 50-100% on GM or whatever, thats only really possible if you've been trading the name...a big no no for real value investors. If you've simply been holding(we know you didn't initiate your position in March/April, and maybe you're up 50% gross over a many year period but thats not really anything special) the returns haven't been great. Unlike Xerxes, I am fairly certain you've been here much longer than 2 years. I dont get why you lose your shit or get so offended at opinions or analysis that differs from your own...You do the same shit in other threads as some have pointed out. Its not really a controversial statement or "trolling" to point out that if you are speculating on EV stuff there are better ways to do it than GM. In fact, just yesterday there were multiple EV universe companies who's returns in one day exceeded anything you would get out of GM. Its great GM is up 100% or whatever from the lows, the same way its great SRG has tripled from the short term lows, but its disingenuous as a multi year investor to sit here and pretend its been a good investment. When trading the crashes is the only way you are making money in a name, thats typically a bad sign. I know, because I did it in GM for years.