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cubsfan

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Re: A Sad Day For America
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2021, 01:37:37 PM »
^ It's important to point out that worthless President Elect and then Candidate Joe Biden and faker Komrade Kamala, last summer NEVER ONCE
condemn the summer of violence, looting, arson in our wonderful cities - NOT ONCE.

NOT ONE WORD at the Democratic National Convention about the terrible summer of violence. NOT ONE.

They did however - arrange bail for the thugs and criminals involved.

That is the difference - don't be a hypocrite.


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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2021, 01:41:22 PM »
The violent protestors on BOTH sides are bat shit crazy - BLM, antifa, MAGA folks, all scum of the earth.
Difference is that the ones on the far left don't have a President (or President elect) egging them on for years and especially in the past few months. I know none of this will resonate to the cultists on this thread but its important to point out.
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2021, 01:42:01 PM »
Short term downside but long term upside as Trump utterly destroys himself.
He and his clan are likely done with politics; if not forever then at least for a long time.

Senators should be sharpening their proverbial knives now.

Do you actually think this guy with 70M+ votes isn't going to dictate Republican politics for the next 20 years?  He, his children, their cronies, their media partners...they are just starting.  His children are as vindictive as he is, and they are going to destroy the Republican party and start their own. 

Charlie Munger was right a decade ago when said that while America will remain powerful, the peak of American power has peaked...I'm paraphrasing.  This is what the decay of American power looks like and will resonate for decades going forward with those countries who have long been waiting for this...Russia, China, Middle-East, North Korea, Cuba...they've been waiting for this.  Trump and his supporters are handing it to them on a silver platter! 

One of the most embarrassing days for the United States in the last 100 years!  Cheers!

Parsad, i am with Spek on this one. Trump made poor decisions and handed Democrats the White House. He continued with the poor decisions and handed the Democrats the senate (how it looks today). He is now ripping the Republican party apart.

My guess is the Republican establishment is in the process of figuring out how to get rid of Trump. It will likely take some time.

Trump has benefitted greatly from the protection being President affords. Some of it is legal. Some of it is moral (many Americans are very patriotic - and will support a sitting President through thick and thin).

However, once Trump is an ordinary citizen both the legal and moral protection will be gone. He will be judged more like a regular citizen. And he will face more severe consequences if he continues to say and do stupid things.

Now i do expect that a certain subset of the population will continue to support Trump, perhaps elevating him to god like status... donate vast sums to the cause... build churches in his name... a big portrait in every home (statues for the larger donors)... with frequent sermons from the book of Trump... lots of talk about devils (anyone who does not worship)...

But my guess is this group of close followers will be the problem of the Republican party not the Democratic party. It looks to me like there is a good chance the Republican party will splinter. This has happened to the right in Canada both federally and provincially and all it does is set the party back 10-15 years - and hand power to the opposite party for an extended period.

Trump is the gift that keeps giving to Democrats... and based on what we are seeing today he is not done giving :-)
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2021, 01:43:05 PM »
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the failure of the two party system.

Lol. Classic castanza. “Buh buh buh both sides”!

I think the behavior is abhorrent. I think Trump lost and should leave office. Whatever evidence of voter fraud is insignificant enough to not change the election. I was satisfied with the outcome of the investigations.

Massie had a good tweet today "Cold Hard Facts"
1.) If every Republican votes to disallow every Biden elector on Jan 6th, Biden will still win based on simple math.
2.) No state has sent a competing set of electors. No state legislature has asked congress to reject it's electors.
3.) Trumps new AG isn't investigating anything

I think the handful of Republicans who encouraged this should be prosecuted. I think the Democrats who encouraged/turned a blind eye to Antifa and other groups should also be prosecuted. The fact that you can look at this and see the country divided 50/50 while only putting blame on one side is simply amazing. This isn't a movement that happened over 4 years with Chief Orange Man Bad in office. This has been in the works for a long time. Trump (with this personality and loud mouth) was the match.

This absolutely is a two party system failure. Anytime you establish two group and force individuals to take hard stance that eventually get to "all or nothing" or "fundamental level" changes you will have issues. There is NO middle ground available for 99% of America. It's accept this or that extreme outcome.
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2021, 01:46:06 PM »
Rioting over the illusion that the election was ‘stolen” and a couple of right wingers here think this is quite okay. They make excuses for the rioting and in essence condone it. And then they maintain that the US doesn’t look like a third world country.  What a sad and embarrassing situation for the United States.

It will be very difficult to for the US to try and lecture other countries about democracy.
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2021, 01:53:22 PM »
iTs ONly MaGA haTs. Never mind all the retweets of social media posts where Antifa leaders were telling their “comrades” to wear MAGA gear. Or the guy who showed up in a Buffalo hide with a spear and stood at the podium.


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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2021, 01:53:51 PM »
^ I have agreed with you that the US is now a third world country. Now to be ruled by crooked politicians in the DC Swamp.
Elections are now rigged. Brownshirt organizations, such as BLM and Antifa, are employed by 1 party to generate civil unrest.
The backers of those Brownshirts, allow the destruction of private property, and the occupation of Federal Property.

There is NO CRITICISM from this party.

Instead we are fed total GARBAGE like "Summer of Love", "Peaceful Protests", "Reparations" - and propaganda like this.

I fail to see our disconnect CW.

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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2021, 01:56:46 PM »
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the failure of the two party system.

Lol. Classic castanza. “Buh buh buh both sides”!

I think the behavior is abhorrent. I think Trump lost and should leave office. Whatever evidence of voter fraud is insignificant enough to not change the election. I was satisfied with the outcome of the investigations.

Massie had a good tweet today "Cold Hard Facts"
1.) If every Republican votes to disallow every Biden elector on Jan 6th, Biden will still win based on simple math.
2.) No state has sent a competing set of electors. No state legislature has asked congress to reject it's electors.
3.) Trumps new AG isn't investigating anything

I think the handful of Republicans who encouraged this should be prosecuted. I think the Democrats who encouraged/turned a blind eye to Antifa and other groups should also be prosecuted. The fact that you can look at this and see the country divided 50/50 while only putting blame on one side is simply amazing. This isn't a movement that happened over 4 years with Chief Orange Man Bad in office. This has been in the works for a long time. Trump (with this personality and loud mouth) was the match.

This absolutely is a two party system failure. Anytime you establish two group and force individuals to take hard stance that eventually get to "all or nothing" or "fundamental level" changes you will have issues. There is NO middle ground available for 99% of America. It's accept this or that extreme outcome.

Castanza, my view is slightly different. The 2 party system is the symptom. The core problem is people are not holding politicians accountable. People celebrate unethical behaviour. They celebrate politicians who lie. They celebrate politicians who are viciously flawed. Like i say to my kids... if you don’t like something in your life to fix it the best place to start is to look in the mirror.

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Re: A Sad Day For America
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2021, 01:57:05 PM »
^ It's important to point out that worthless President Elect and then Candidate Joe Biden and faker Komrade Kamala, last summer NEVER ONCE
condemn the summer of violence, looting, arson in our wonderful cities - NOT ONCE.

NOT ONE WORD at the Democratic National Convention about the terrible summer of violence. NOT ONE.

They did however - arrange bail for the thugs and criminals involved.

That is the difference - don't be a hypocrite.

Big fucking difference between attacking Senators, Congressmen, the Speaker of the House and the VP of the United States than simply rioting in the streets.  Even you can tell the difference, can't you?  Or are you too far gone and this is just tit for tat?  Cheers!
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2021, 01:58:57 PM »
Personally, I spoke out about riots and violence for most of 2020. It was not taken seriously. Since this is only day one, I think many would benefit if this continued for another 2-3 months. They deserve their discomfort. They really need to get the message. Violence and rioting is not ok. Unfortunately I dont think that will happened because the guy Trump condemned it on Twitter and sent in the National Guard on day 1. What a chump!