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rukawa

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Basically Asians are massively and ridiculously over-represented in a number of elite scientific and technical institutions (high schools, universities, tech companies etc). Typically Asians are like 5% of the population but control 30-70% of the spots. Whites are under-represented as are blacks and latinos.

You can go after whites but the problem is that whites are already extremely under-represented. Whites can and should make the case that they are being heavily discriminated against. That leaves Asians which are the juicy target having a huge over-representation. There is no way affirmative action will not screw Asians.

Examples of this include companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook.

Universities include most in the California university system or MIT

Schools include schools like Thomas Jefferson High School which is probably the top technical high school in the country (there high school compsi course are basically university level)

If your an Asian (Indian or Chinese), you need to bend over now because the Left is going to screw you hard.


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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2020, 09:53:27 PM »
Dont go there. Asians are basically just white people when its convenient for the left. Generally though, they dont exist. Calling someone Chinese is a favorite insult of the left. Second only to Russian, in terms of derogatory connotations.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 02:30:14 PM »
I don't know what exactly you're saying but I'm pretty sure it just isn't true. 

The reality is that purely meritocratic admissions at the nation's top universities would increase the number of whites and decrease the number of asians, blacks, and hispanics.  Here is how things would change:

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- A little more than half (53 percent) of those admitted would not be those being admitted today. These are the students with SAT scores below 1250.
- The resulting student body would be wealthier, on average, than the current student body. In the class studied, 60 percent came from the top quartile in socioeconomic status, but in a test-only system, 63 percent would come from that bracket.
- The big change would be enrollment by race. The white share would go from 66 percent to 75 percent. The combined black and Latinx enrollment would drop from 19 to 11 percent. The Asian share would drop from 11 to 10 percent.

Source (study linked within): https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/06/24/analysis-considers-how-enrollments-would-change-under-test-only

It's a very big country with lots of whites who, coming out of high school, probably represent 80-90 percent of potential chemistry majors at the top 200 universities.  Specialized high schools are a complicated story because the fact they are so asian likely dissuades many white parents (and likely even Indians -- for example, Stuyvesant attracts smart, poor, Bangladeshis relatively speaking).

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2020, 05:14:49 PM »
Basically Asians are massively and ridiculously over-represented in a number of elite scientific and technical institutions (high schools, universities, tech companies etc). Typically Asians are like 5% of the population but control 30-70% of the spots. Whites are under-represented as are blacks and latinos.

You can go after whites but the problem is that whites are already extremely under-represented. Whites can and should make the case that they are being heavily discriminated against. That leaves Asians which are the juicy target having a huge over-representation. There is no way affirmative action will not screw Asians.

Examples of this include companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook.

Universities include most in the California university system or MIT

Schools include schools like Thomas Jefferson High School which is probably the top technical high school in the country (there high school compsi course are basically university level)

If your an Asian (Indian or Chinese), you need to bend over now because the Left is going to screw you hard.

If you are Asian in this country, have perfect 800's on your SAT's, a music virtuoso, etc - expect not to get into your favorite school - because you
are correct - the admission boards will screw you over. Thank the woke Universities for playing to mobs. But if you are Obama's kids, expect to
get full scholarships anywhere you like.

doc75

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2020, 06:31:06 PM »
Basically Asians are massively and ridiculously over-represented in a number of elite scientific and technical institutions (high schools, universities, tech companies etc). Typically Asians are like 5% of the population but control 30-70% of the spots. Whites are under-represented as are blacks and latinos.

You can go after whites but the problem is that whites are already extremely under-represented. Whites can and should make the case that they are being heavily discriminated against. That leaves Asians which are the juicy target having a huge over-representation. There is no way affirmative action will not screw Asians.

Examples of this include companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook.

Universities include most in the California university system or MIT

Schools include schools like Thomas Jefferson High School which is probably the top technical high school in the country (there high school compsi course are basically university level)

If your an Asian (Indian or Chinese), you need to bend over now because the Left is going to screw you hard.

If you are Asian in this country, have perfect 800's on your SAT's, a music virtuoso, etc - expect not to get into your favorite school - because you
are correct - the admission boards will screw you over. Thank the woke Universities for playing to mobs. But if you are Obama's kids, expect to
get full scholarships anywhere you like.


Just imagine. The president's kids getting a full ride at the university of their choosing.   

I think if you really go Hercule Poirot on this shit you may find that the offspring of the super-connected often manage to play leapfrog in the admissions line.   Tiffany was choosing between Harvard, Columbia, and Georgetown Law.  She must've knocked the lights out during her sociology and urban studies degree at UPenn.

So maybe Obama's kids aren't a great example of the broader issue.  But yeah, Obama.  Super bad president and human in general.  Obama bad.



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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2020, 07:18:59 PM »
Basically Asians are massively and ridiculously over-represented in a number of elite scientific and technical institutions (high schools, universities, tech companies etc). Typically Asians are like 5% of the population but control 30-70% of the spots. Whites are under-represented as are blacks and latinos.

You can go after whites but the problem is that whites are already extremely under-represented. Whites can and should make the case that they are being heavily discriminated against. That leaves Asians which are the juicy target having a huge over-representation. There is no way affirmative action will not screw Asians.

Examples of this include companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook.

Universities include most in the California university system or MIT

Schools include schools like Thomas Jefferson High School which is probably the top technical high school in the country (there high school compsi course are basically university level)

If your an Asian (Indian or Chinese), you need to bend over now because the Left is going to screw you hard.

If you are Asian in this country, have perfect 800's on your SAT's, a music virtuoso, etc - expect not to get into your favorite school - because you
are correct - the admission boards will screw you over.

Only a sucker actually takes the SAT. Real "winners" pay somebody else to take it for them:

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-cheated-on-his-sat-penn-wharton-mary-trump-2020-7

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2020, 07:23:59 PM »
Problem is all the Asian kids want to get into Ivy Leagues.
But Ivy League graduates work as a slave for banks.
The really well off white rich peopleís kids go to small liberal arts college (and they still get those ibank internships). They Donít want to go to Ivy leagues- those are for kids of engineers and farmers.


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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2020, 09:14:11 PM »
The problem for Asians in America is that they bring with them a culture of hard work and family values. And genetically they are pretty much wired to be intelligent.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2020, 04:38:23 AM »
The problem for Asians in America is that they bring with them a culture of hard work and family values. And genetically they are pretty much wired to be intelligent.

Oh for f**** sake.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2020, 05:31:49 AM »
My comment is tongue in cheek. But when you look at how policy is picked in these types of cases, its largely predicated on stereotypes. Who cares about Asians? They make up a smaller percentage of the population than Black/Hispanic and definitely dont rely on government to the same extent. They are comparable to the journey of Irish or German Americans in a historical context. Came over. Put the head down. Worked hard. Beat the shit out of the confines of any systematic oppression. Used adversity as a motivator rather than an excuse. Taught the same to future generations. The antithesis of the Democratic Party.

So when it comes to the above topic....who cares if an overqualified candidate gets squeezed out? The objective is to get under-qualified candidates in! Then we can use them as tokens of accomplishment to showcase the success of our platform!

The folks who may have it the worst within the Asian sub groups, I am beginning to see, are possibly Indians. They're not black. Not the right type of brown. Basically get ignored along with Chinese/Japanese when it comes to any of these social benefit programs. I mean when you have a historic first, currently an Indian woman on the ticket as VP, and its ignored so she can be called black....that says a lot about how the party operates.

Everyone should be treated as equal and all discrimination should be rebuked. Academia is one of the unique places where discrimination and harmful ideologies are not only rampant, but encouraged and widely accepted. And when you look at the institutional breakdowns, along party lines....its not 90% Republican/conservatives....

The quickest way to earn your stripes in America has always been to bust your ass and work hard. Its sad when we see policies that punish that or promote the opposite.