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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2020, 12:16:40 PM »
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I guess it's hard to compare since the magnitude of discovery has fallen across the board (no man alive is a Planck, Einstein, or even close).

Exactly.

I'd wager most Americans can't name a current contributing physicist, but they know who Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson are.

To be honest it's not obvious to me there has been much contribution to begin with.  I have a lay interest in this stuff and can immediately appreciate the beauty and elegance of prewar science, whereas I have no idea what it would mean if theories of leading physicists today turn out to be true or false, or what true and false even mean.  And that's not just a question of things getting more specialized (a common retort).  People loved science when they could appreciate its meaning, and that hasn't really been the case since the Apollo program (and that was all old science). 

Commercial science is probably a more apt place to look for substantive contribution.

I honestly don't mean to fling insults, but I think your comments/opinions here are based in ignorance.

The pace of scientific discovery has increased exponentially over the past century.  Lots more "noise" due to publish-or-perish, of course, but a relentless stream of incredible advances along the way.  Things were just getting started with the Apollo program.

Just in the bucket of easily-comprehendible mathematics:  the 4-colour conjecture and Fermat's last theorem were proved, public-key cryptography and neural networks went from theory to every-day practice, quantum computation / quantum information theory was born, fast-Fourier transform was perfected (though admittedly it was born in the 1800s), compressed sensing,  huge advances in discrete and continuous optimization...and of course tonnes of more esoteric examples, such as the proof of the Poincare conjecture.  The list goes on and on.
 


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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2020, 05:01:01 PM »
Scientific progress often occurs in Cambrian explosions. Currently we are seeing Cambrian explosions in medical (remember how recent humanized antibodies are or genetic sequencing) and astrophysics (enabled through better optics and detectors, image processing). Just twenty years ago, scientist were debating if one could ever use the immune system to develop drugs/treatments against cancer because it was debatable if one could developthem discriminating enough and look at where we are right now with blockbusters like Keytruda and gen technology treatment on the market.

Scientific progress is always enabled by  technological progress and vice versa. Astrophysics is a great example where better optics and detectors enable progress (finding Exoplanets, Black matter, Black holds etc)  and sometimes scientists need to wait for the technology to catch up before they can get better data and make more progress, so sometime the wheels seem to move slowly and sometime they seem to go really fast in a particular field, but they are always moving.
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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2020, 05:23:42 PM »
Discovery of the Higgs Boson was quite important and was discovered at CERN, which is publicly funded primarily by EU states.

CERN, for all its scientific prowess, is really bad at accepting scientific evidence when it comes to racism and sexism (they sacked a scientist who disected some numbers for them) that doesn't align with the general view. And CERN, and this is based on personal experience, has entered the era where men think women don't deserve what they get because their qualifications are lacking and women think that men get the upper hand in everything (especially around running the experiments). The end result is a relatively toxic environment of mistrust.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2020, 08:53:52 PM »
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I don't know what exactly you're saying but I'm pretty sure it just isn't true.

The reality is that purely meritocratic admissions at the nation's top universities would increase the number of whites and decrease the number of asians, blacks, and hispanics.  Here is how things would change:

I'm talking about STEM...Science, technology, engineering and Math. Not Harvard or the ivy's in general. And your study is basically irrelevant since it assumes that everyone is equally likely to apply to all programs/universities. They aren't. Asians are more likely to go the STEM route.

Since many of the top paying careers are in stem, this applies an Asian Elite in STEM and in America in general. Since the elite is the target of the Left this necessarily implies that Indians and Asians will increasingly be targeted by the Left. To give a few examples:

Universities
MIT: 42% Asian
Berkley: 29% Asian

Highschools
Bronx Science: 34% Asian
Thomas Jefferson HS: 70% Asian

Companies:
Google: 41% Asian in 2020, 31% in 2014
Microsoft: 33%

Percentage of Asian in US Population: 5.6%

I find two things interesting about the above...1) is that Googles Asian percentage continues to increase and 2) is that holy fuck Thomas Jefferson is 70% Asian. Thomas Jefferson is probably the best high school for programming in the country. It comp sci courses are basically comparable to university courses...you could probably be a programmer straight after graduation. Bronx Science has the most physics nobel prize winners (7) among its alumni of any HS in the entire world.

Asians are basically the new Jews.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2020, 09:41:01 AM »
It’s correct google, fb, likes have a lot of Asian.
But most of them are immigrants. Tech firms can’t get enough tech talents so they have to hire from China and India, or students born there and graduated in US schools.
There is not much second generation Asian in the tech industry. Most want to become doctors, or do private equity...

So there is a different issue involved here, which is globalization and technology and how they are affecting society

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2020, 09:53:45 PM »
Except a lot of companies wouldn't hire Jews, which was why Graham did his reverse discrimination thing and wouldn't hire Buffett.

I think Asian parents put more pressure on their children in regards to school. A lot of them are immigrants and the reason why they immigrated was probably because of the lack of opportunity in their home countries. When they become parents, they think going to school will give their children the opportunities they didn't have.

And their children probably go into IT because they don't want to do manual labor lol There are a ton of Asian small business owners and I'm pretty sure most of them would've made their children work for them at one point or another. And a kid who had to work hours every day after school would probably have a bigger incentive to get into a good school. It would be their ticket out of that life.

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I don't know what exactly you're saying but I'm pretty sure it just isn't true.

The reality is that purely meritocratic admissions at the nation's top universities would increase the number of whites and decrease the number of asians, blacks, and hispanics.  Here is how things would change:

I'm talking about STEM...Science, technology, engineering and Math. Not Harvard or the ivy's in general. And your study is basically irrelevant since it assumes that everyone is equally likely to apply to all programs/universities. They aren't. Asians are more likely to go the STEM route.

Since many of the top paying careers are in stem, this applies an Asian Elite in STEM and in America in general. Since the elite is the target of the Left this necessarily implies that Indians and Asians will increasingly be targeted by the Left. To give a few examples:

Universities
MIT: 42% Asian
Berkley: 29% Asian

Highschools
Bronx Science: 34% Asian
Thomas Jefferson HS: 70% Asian

Companies:
Google: 41% Asian in 2020, 31% in 2014
Microsoft: 33%

Percentage of Asian in US Population: 5.6%

I find two things interesting about the above...1) is that Googles Asian percentage continues to increase and 2) is that holy fuck Thomas Jefferson is 70% Asian. Thomas Jefferson is probably the best high school for programming in the country. It comp sci courses are basically comparable to university courses...you could probably be a programmer straight after graduation. Bronx Science has the most physics nobel prize winners (7) among its alumni of any HS in the entire world.

Asians are basically the new Jews.

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2020, 05:49:28 AM »
I dunno about all this gender oppression stuff.  The preeminent lady physicist to date was a Jew in Germany in the 1930s and the only person to win two real Nobel prizes was a Slavic woman born in the 19th century.  Women used to make more substantive contributions at the highest levels of math and science a century ago than they do today, and I think you can actually infer a lot about the proclivities and idiosyncrasies of a population by looking at the very right end of the curve.

Emmanuelle Charpentier and Jennifer Doudna just got the Nobel Prize for their work with gene editing.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2020/summary/

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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2020, 08:45:24 AM »
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I think Asian parents put more pressure on their children in regards to school. A lot of them are immigrants and the reason why they immigrated was probably because of the lack of opportunity in their home countries. When they become parents, they think going to school will give their children the opportunities they didn't have.

And their children probably go into IT because they don't want to do manual labor lol There are a ton of Asian small business owners and I'm pretty sure most of them would've made their children work for them at one point or another. And a kid who had to work hours every day after school would probably have a bigger incentive to get into a good school. It would be their ticket out of that life.

Pretty much describes the Jews. Except they did textiles in New York. The term "sweatshops" was originally used to describe them. Eastern European jews and russian jews came to America penniless without speaking the language, having retardation level IQs and the first thing the did was work in sweatshops. Then a generation later there sons and daughters are becoming lawyers and doctors. And then you get this:

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The Bronx High School of Science counts eight Nobel Prize recipients as graduates. Seven of these Nobel laureates received their prize in the field of physics. Robert J. Lefkowitz was awarded the 2012 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

Leon N. Cooper (1947), co–developer of BCS theory; namesake of Cooper pairs[1][2]
Sheldon Lee Glashow (1950), physicist who proposed the modern electroweak theory (shared the 1979 prize with Weinberg)[1][2][3]
Roy J. Glauber (1941), physicist who made contributions to the quantum theory of optical coherence[4]
Russell A. Hulse (1966), astrophysicist who co–discovered the first binary pulsar, providing significant evidence in support of the theory of general relativity[1][5]
Robert J. Lefkowitz (1959), biochemist known for his work with G protein-coupled receptors
H. David Politzer (1966), physicist who co–discovered asymptotic freedom in quantum chromodynamics[6]
Melvin Schwartz (1949), physicist who co–developed the neutrino beam method demonstrating of the doublet structure of the lepton through the discovery of the muon neutrino[1][7]
Steven Weinberg (1950), physicist who proposed the modern electroweak theory (shared the 1979 prize with Glashow)[1][2]

Freaking absolutely insane. Almost all the names above are Jewish and all from Eastern Europe/Russia...this is just nobel prize winners from Bronx tech because it was easy for me to obtain. It excludes others such as Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann also NY Slavic area Jews. You go from penniless people with retardation level IQs to genius.

I want to point out something very important about the above...it very clearly demonstrates that culture is a MASSIVE variable in explaining the disparities between races and ethnicities. Anyone trying to explain these differences as solely the result of racism IS LYING.

Asians are paralleling this route. They basically are the poorest group in NY. Asian immigrants in chinatowns are incredibly poor. Then they send their sons and daughters to get an education and who stops them? THE LEFT. Jews were stopped by conservative anglo-saxon racists. Asians are being stopped by leftist racists who are suspicious of anyone who succeeds by merit.
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Re: Affirmative actions at elite STEM institutions screws asians not whites
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2020, 09:29:04 AM »
Preach it Rukawa.  I do appreciate your opinion as you seem to be centric politically.

The left doesn't care about anything other than arguments that support government control.  They will latch on to racism, environmentalism, corporate abuses, whatever suits that agenda.  These are all legitimate issues but when they create racist policies to fix racism, clearly it doesn't make sense.   This example and the left's  complete failure to debate or acknowledge the issue provide the proof.

I'm just waiting for the hispanic group to come to the same realization.  This is a conservative (culture), hard-working group which is pulling ahead over time and I think will start to swing over to the right.