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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 01:09:17 PM »
Flynn admitted to a crime.  Stone was convicted of a crime.  Don't let Stone's backchannels with Israel and the President's son in law's Israel policies cloud your objectivity.  You can support what the president has done for you in Israel while also acknowledging that he is a complete disaster when it comes to integrity.
I suggest you spend more than one second researching what they did to Flynn. Its a an absolute disaster. It is not open to interpretation.

Regarding Stone, he's mildly corrupt like anyone in politics for several decades. So he got convicted of something and his sentence commuted, no big deal. As if him sitting in prison for 2-3 years for process crimes is going to do any good to anyone.

Regarding your last point, if you accuse anyone of guilt by association I can't help you. It's your problem.


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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 01:11:36 PM »
If one needs a pardon, customarily there is proof of criminality.
Flynn was not pardoned. Actually Stone didn't get pardoned either, just got his sentence commuted.

I love how I can sit in a foreign country and know more about whats going on than Americans. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2020, 01:14:56 PM »
Nice oped by a once icon, that led a corrupt group of partisan attorneys to get the President.
Even though they failed, they entrapped multiple citizens on process crimes, destroyed lives of innocents, spied on US citizens,
ALL THE WHILE ignoring the crimes of Clinton and Obama Administration that made Chicago politics look like a parlor game.

Robert Mueller and the FBI, DOJ will be forever tarnished by their despicable behavior.

The two tier system of Justice in DC has never been more openly flaunted then by this investigation.

American's took notice - and will not forget.
Absolutely, and the best example of this is Epstein. The guy had a business selling kids for sex in the open for 20 years, everyone knew and told jokes about it.

I think the political system is only corrupt because too many look the other way and don't take any action. Can't blame the leeches for taking advantage.

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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 01:23:31 PM »
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I think the political system is only corrupt because too many look the other way and don't take any action. Can't blame the leeches for taking advantage.
I mean, you can definitely blame the leeches. And you should. Moreso than blaming everyday people who have their own problems to worry about.

Then when the leeches get elected, well sure, now you've got more than enough blame to go around.
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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2020, 01:31:14 PM »
If one needs a pardon, customarily there is proof of criminality.
Flynn was not pardoned. Actually Stone didn't get pardoned either, just got his sentence commuted.

I love how I can sit in a foreign country and know more about whats going on than Americans. Absolutely ridiculous.
I don't get what you're trying to say. Let me spell it out if my previous tongue-in-cheek comment flew by. If you need a pardon or a commutation of sentence there is proof of criminality. I.e. Roger Stone needed a commutation of his sentence because he was found guilty of a crime in a court of law. That's how he got a sentence that needed commuting. Same with pardons.

People that have not been found guilty of a crime (lack of proof of criminality) don't need a pardon or commutation of sentence. I hope it makes more sense now.

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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2020, 02:12:48 PM »
There are definitely differences and there are also definitely issues that stem from larger systematic abuses. It is unfair to simply say, "he got convicted, it doesnt matter what everyone else was doing"... because if everyone else was doing that stuff, then WTF are you singling out these people for? Oh yea, its politically charged, thats why. And thats what a lot of folks have a problem with. If you're going to go after Flynn, and all you even have there is tricking him, and pressuring him into taking a plea...thats kind of messed up(ahem, more evidence of cultural problems within the US law enforcement agencies) but whatever, then why arent you going after others. Cant think of a better example than the Biden kids. Stone is another example. Yea, a dirty political strategist puppet master...but since he's a Republican....


Manafort I dont even have an issue with. He's basically the Ilya Kovalchuk retirement contract of political scam artists. Sure, everyone was doing it, but he was sooo blatant, outrageously over the top, didnt give a fuck bad that it probably does need to be made an example out of. Same as NJD getting punished for the contract even though every other team in the league had given out multiple retirement contracts.

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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2020, 04:30:05 PM »
The Lincoln Project's thoughts on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00fxoDpaIo

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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2020, 05:28:59 PM »
The Lincoln Project's thoughts on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00fxoDpaIo

That is actually a quite entertaining clip - and convincing if you haven't followed the stories closely for the last 4 years.

Unfortunately for the LEFT, these last few months may be their undoing - as most reasonable Americans are appalled at the alternative to Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaDt5EU2m0


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Re: Let The Pardons Begin!
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2020, 06:15:09 PM »
The Lincoln Project's thoughts on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00fxoDpaIo

That is actually a quite entertaining clip - and convincing if you haven't followed the stories closely for the last 4 years.

Unfortunately for the LEFT, these last few months may be their undoing - as most reasonable Americans are appalled at the alternative to Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jaDt5EU2m0
They sure are:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/texas/