Author Topic: Andrew Yang  (Read 5527 times)

mcliu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 575
Andrew Yang
« on: October 01, 2019, 05:23:06 PM »
What do you guys think of Andrew Yang?
He's obviously a really long shot. I actually thought it was all a gimmick ($1,000/month UBI, etc) at first, but after listening to the debates and a few of his speeches, I thought he actually defined some of the biggest problems pretty clearly (better than some of the leading candidates) and offered some interesting solutions..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkH0xGUgR0c


SafetyinNumbers

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 567
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2019, 08:08:15 PM »
I really like him and most of his ideas. I think the Freedom Dividend is much better than government picking winners and losers.
Top 5 positions: ELF GCM.NT/GCM.WT.B TII.V PIF ATTO

Nell-e

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2019, 10:54:32 PM »
Here's how I think about it if I go by process of elimination:

Biden - old, about as out of touch as can be
Warren - totally polarizing, can't win over swing voters, can't trust a word she says #powwowchow plus her plans suck i.e. wealth tax would precipitate enormous capital flight
Sanders - totally polarizing, more authentic than Warren but his plans suck even more
Buttigieg - he's the mayor of a small town and I don't know why he's qualified nor do I really know what he stands for other than the same middle of the road Dem ideas
Harris - totally polarizing, her ideas are just the same ineffective Dem proposals, pretty much unelectable
All of the others will drop out soon because they're not catching on.

So by default, Yang seems like the best Dem option.  If you listen to his long form podcasts, he's a thoughtful person whether you agree with him or not.  If you're a conservative, listen to his Ben Shapiro interview on YouTube.  If you can't stand Shapiro, then listen to the 2hr Joe Rogan podcast.  If 1 hr is too long, then here's a 18 min video
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPyAKZWZFyk

I think it really, really makes sense to have someone who understands science and technology in the White House.  Also, where I agree with Yang most is that we need to de-emphasize GDP as the primary measure of prosperity.  GDP is going up but life expectancy is going down so it seems like a pretty flawed way of looking at our collective well-being.

I'm an independent who changed my registration just so I can vote in the primaries.  If you think Bernie or Warren will be disastrous you should do the same.

Full disclosure: I'm a Yang supporter because he's data driven and authentic.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2019, 11:01:00 PM by Nell-e »

Castanza

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 629
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2019, 06:36:14 AM »
Quote
What do you guys think of Andrew Yang?
He's obviously a really long shot. I actually thought it was all a gimmick ($1,000/month UBI, etc) at first, but after listening to the debates and a few of his speeches, I thought he actually defined some of the biggest problems pretty clearly (better than some of the leading candidates) and offered some interesting solutions..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkH0xGUgR0c

When are people going to learn that guaranteed money by the government doesn't ever work? All it does is drive prices up.

Quote
I really like him and most of his ideas. I think the Freedom Dividend is much better than government picking winners and losers.

Individuals decide to be losers or winners, not the government. A better option for welfare would be a negative income tax (as a temporary solution). Yang often likes to misquote Friedman and MLK saying he has the same idea. It's not even close. Also for a guy who claims to be good at match he basically can't do math...

Here is a sample of his other proposals:
- He wants to further politicize the supreme court by putting in term limits which will guarantee appointment based on
  party affiliation.
- He has an irrational fear of automation (not a policy but utterly ridiculous imo)
- Put the government in media.
- Free marriage counseling for all
- Medicare for all
- Increase welfare for single parent with subsidies
- Forgive student debt
- Increase gun regulations
- He wants the government to come in and prop up failing malls to "revitalize" communities and give the impression of a
  solid local economy.
- Increase capital gains tax
- Early childhood education for all
- Paternal leave for both parents
- Federal govt subsidy for people who need to move for work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtBt2OSL2Mw

That's a hard pass from me. Also I think his extreme fear of automation is a bit ridiculous.

Nell-e

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 99
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2019, 11:02:14 AM »
How would you rank the Dems?  To me, Bernie and Warren have the worst ideas.

Castanza

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 629
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2019, 11:32:33 AM »
How would you rank the Dems?  To me, Bernie and Warren have the worst ideas.

I thought Bullock from Montana was reasonable on some things. I like Tulsi's foreign policy yet she is bat shit crazy on everything else. Quite honestly I don't really care about anyone who is still running. As I've said before they are all mirror images of each other. It's basically take your pick based on skin color and gender. Plus I don't think there is a chance in Hell any of them will win. I could be wrong, but I don't see it. They are all too extreme.

mcliu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 575
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2019, 12:01:47 PM »
I don't think Yang fears automation. He's saying that automation is a) increasing the pace that old jobs (retail clerks, truck drivers) become irrelevant and b) creating a class of huge winners (Bezos, Zuckerberg, etc..). It's hard to see millions of 40/50/60 year old retail clerks and truck/taxi drivers retraining to become programmers.

I think Buffett's been hinting at this problem too. At his 2017 (could also be 2016?) annual meeting, he suggested whether the current redistribution system is fair in an extreme case where if a single person could push a button and produce all the goods of the economy.

Gregmal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2546
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2019, 12:25:35 PM »
After Biden, Yang would be my preferred choice. Only because Biden is a more predictable candidate since he's been around so long. But on substance, I actually like a lot of what Yang has to say.

Cardboard

  • Lifetime Member
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3307
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2019, 12:27:15 PM »
Hasn't ever occurred to you that there are enough problems to fix right now vs trying to fix those that may or may not arise?

Fear of automation has been there for decades if not a full century. Yet we are at full employment and I see no sign of lack of jobs, more the opposite.

Castanza

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 629
Re: Andrew Yang
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2019, 12:41:40 PM »
I don't think Yang fears automation. He's saying that automation is a) increasing the pace that old jobs (retail clerks, truck drivers) become irrelevant and b) creating a class of huge winners (Bezos, Zuckerberg, etc..). It's hard to see millions of 40/50/60 year old retail clerks and truck/taxi drivers retraining to become programmers.

I think Buffett's been hinting at this problem too. At his 2017 (could also be 2016?) annual meeting, he suggested whether the current redistribution system is fair in an extreme case where if a single person could push a button and produce all the goods of the economy.

Truck drivers aren't going anywhere. If anything the technology will simply aid them and increase safety. It will help over the road drivers with sleep deprivation, lane assist, braking, etc. I mean planes have been able to fly and land themselves for a long time now. Yet we keep hiring pilots. The logistics industry can't even develop software to properly define routes, yet somehow they are going to completely get rid of the driver?

Why would you listen to Buffett on technology?