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cwericb

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Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« on: June 25, 2020, 06:42:54 PM »
Looking at the United States from outside, many wonder if the problems within the U.S. are insurmountable.

Racially divided, citizens armed to the teeth, politics split down the center with only two parties, right or left. Conservatives moving further right, liberals moving further left.

Widespread homeless, high poverty rates, large divide between rich and poor, high crime rates, overflowing prisons, military style policing, and a serious disease running rampant throughout the country killing tens of thousands every month.

An administration whose main priority seems to be the welfare of its leader. A trend towards isolationism, cutting off world organizations and agreements, and incurring friction with traditional allies while praising traditional adversaries.

It is hard not to see the situation as depressing. However, one hope that the first step would be for some true statesmen to come forward and make some progress in resolving the political divide.
 
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2020, 09:08:24 AM »
There is a high probability that by Sunday this week - Texas is out of ICU beds. Possibly Florida as well.
When two people both need the only ICU bed - which one are you going to let die ?  and on what criteria ?
Docs/nursers in tears look real good on CNN.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 05:44:22 PM »
I don't think so. I think the biggest strength of the US is its ability to regenerate itself which lacks in many other nations. Many times during its history it faced insurmountable problems and the US did a "oh my whoppsie" we'll just do this other thing from now on.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2020, 06:34:24 PM »
The U.S. has seen far worse than what we are seeing...The Great Depression...political and economic turmoil in the early 70's...hyperinflation and rising interest rates in the early 80's...the Financial Crisis of 2008 where we were lucky that the financial system didn't collapse and we didn't see a run on banks.  The current crisis is short-term extremely painful, longer-term full recovery...but the bulk of the pain has been incurred...now it's an uneven recovery and long-term issues for the total debt accumulated by governments.  Cheers!
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 09:17:57 AM »
But the problems at this point are multiple. Racial tensions boiling over, growing unrest over a militaristic police force, high crime and full prisons, a pandemic that is out of control, and a dysfunctional president who puts his own personal interests above all else.

But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 10:03:15 AM »
But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.

Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics
and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.

In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 10:05:29 AM »
The U.S. has seen far worse than what we are seeing...The Great Depression...political and economic turmoil in the early 70's...hyperinflation and rising interest rates in the early 80's...the Financial Crisis of 2008 where we were lucky that the financial system didn't collapse and we didn't see a run on banks.  The current crisis is short-term extremely painful, longer-term full recovery...but the bulk of the pain has been incurred...now it's an uneven recovery and long-term issues for the total debt accumulated by governments.  Cheers!

We are still early days in this pandemic. If we do not get a vaccine by year and if we get a second wave of the virus in the fall my guess is the economic consequences will get much, much worse. Imagine a second wave of lock downs. What is propping up the global economy is the unprecedented level of government spending / central bank support - one has to think this level of deficit spending cannot continue indefinitely.

The more important issue for the US is the fall election (yes, more important than the virus). If Trump is re-elected i think there is a very real possibility US democracy will change permanently. And US standing in the world will change permanently. (This assumes Republicans maintain control of the Senate.)

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 11:38:32 AM »
Now we've got this story that Trump was aware of Russia placing bounties on the heads of US soldiers, but Trump still attempted to invite Russia back into the G7.

Perhaps people can come together and say, "hey, treason is bad".
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 12:01:49 PM »
Now we've got this story that Trump was aware of Russia placing bounties on the heads of US soldiers, but Trump still attempted to invite Russia back into the G7.

Perhaps people can come together and say, "hey, treason is bad".

Bounties are nothing new.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 12:12:13 PM »
“Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.”

Cubs, this split has been developing long, long before Obama. The last major politician that seemed to be able to bring both sides together effectively was Tip O’Neil and he left politics in the late 80's.

Twenty years ago the Bush - Gore election was disputed and seemed to be the tipping point dividing the two sides. The eventual vote total in that election showed a difference of just one half of one percent between the two sides and if I remember correctly, was settled in a Florida court.

“In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.”


If you are correct, Trump might as well quit now.
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Viking, regretfully, I have felt this way for some time.
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LC  That should be no surprise. First he doesn’t read, nor does he have ‘time’ for daily security briefings. However, one would have to be delusional not to be very suspicious of the Trump - Russia connection. There is a school of thought that says  Trump was laundering Russian mob money for years through his real estate holdings in New York and now they are holding that over him. Combined with the refusal to release his promised tax records does make one wonder.
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