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Spekulatius

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2020, 05:02:48 PM »
Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.
Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

How dumb are you?

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

Sure Cwericb!

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it
forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety
from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

What world are you from anyway?

As far as I know, the Iran was complying to the denuclearization deal. They may have done other stuff like funding Hisbollah, but that wasnít part of the deal. Trump broke the deal not because Iran broke it, but because he didnít like the deal (it was Obamaís and the western allies ideal after all). Now we can thank him for Iran becoming a nuclear power, because they have nothing to lose.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2020, 05:31:08 PM »
Yes, that was my understanding as well. Iran was abiding by the deal but because Obama had been involved Trump had to tear it up. And that is part of the problem that the US is going to have to deal with going forward.

You can't have the country sign treaties with other countries for 4-8 years and then have a new president come in and violate every deal signed by the old administration, just because the incoming president has a dislike for the previous president.

The situation with Trump has become so bad that Republicans are coming together to support Biden...
"A group of former George W. Bush administration and campaign officials has launched a new super PAC to mobilize disaffected Republican voters for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden."  https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/george-w-bush-43-alumni-super-pac-joe-biden/index.html
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2020, 05:46:24 PM »
Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.
Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

How dumb are you?

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

Sure Cwericb!

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it
forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety
from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

What world are you from anyway?

As far as I know, the Iran was complying to the denuclearization deal. They may have done other stuff like funding Hisbollah, but that wasnít part of the deal. Trump broke the deal not because Iran broke it, but because he didnít like the deal (it was Obamaís and the western allies ideal after all). Now we can thank him for Iran becoming a nuclear power, because they have nothing to lose.

No - You can thank President Obama for providing Iran with a huge amount of funding for their nuclear program - like $140B.
What kind of idiot sends the world's biggest supporter of terror that kind of money when they hate us?

Just a total sucker like President Obama.

And they take the money for their expansion of terror into the Middle East - Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Palestine.
The Persians absolutely hate the Arabs - they consider them dogs. 

This stupid decision by Obama was SO BAD that Eygpt, Saudi Arabia sided WITH ISRAEL against Iran!
Hows that for a first - several Sunni Arab powers side with the Jews against the Persians.

Who would of thought...


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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2020, 05:53:59 PM »
Not to mention, now that Trump smoked that Terrorist Soleimani - the Iranians understand that Trump means business, unlike gutless Obama.

Being unpredictable is a HUGE advantage when you are dealing with trash like the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
That POS Soleimani killed 600 Americans and was in the process of destabilizing Iraq. You are not hearing much from the terrorist regime right now,
since no one knows who is next.

That is how you deal with a terroist nation: Deterrence and Unpredictablilty

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2020, 05:59:43 PM »
The same gutless Obama who sat back as Osama bin laden, public enemy #1 for a decade, responsible for thousands of American deaths (directly) and even more indirectly, who destabilized a global superpower, died of.....old age?
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2020, 06:05:17 PM »
Cubs you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.  Just for starters, Obama didn't draw up that agreement - read the previous posts.

In other news...

It is very encouraging to see  the news I noted in the above post about republicans forming a super pac to support Joe Biden.

When you see Republicans coming together to support a Democrat for President it clearly shows what a total disaster this presidency is for the country. But  this is a sign of cooperation between the two parties.

""For four years, we have watched with grave concern as the party we loved has morphed into a cult of personality that little resembles the Party of Lincoln and Reagan," Kirksey said in a statement.
"Once elected, we look forward to working in a bipartisan way through civil, spirited debate on the many important issues facing Americans today and for decades to come," she continued later."
  https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/george-w-bush-43-alumni-super-pac-joe-biden/index.html

This is an example of the first steps needed to help the US out of the deep hole they are in.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2020, 06:20:02 PM »
The same gutless Obama who sat back as Osama bin laden, public enemy #1 for a decade, responsible for thousands of American deaths (directly) and even more indirectly, who destabilized a global superpower, died of.....old age?

President Obama deserves all the credit in the world for nuking bin Laden. Absolutely.

8 wasted years and 1 bright spot - not enough.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2020, 06:37:06 PM »
The situation with Trump has become so bad that Republicans are coming together to support Biden...
"A group of former George W. Bush administration and campaign officials has launched a new super PAC to mobilize disaffected Republican voters for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden."  https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/george-w-bush-43-alumni-super-pac-joe-biden/index.html

George W. Bush is a leftie liberal.

And so was Ronald Reagan.

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or for that matter everyone before Trumpf.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2020, 06:43:13 PM »
"Being unpredictable is a HUGE advantage when you are dealing with trash like the Iranian Revolutionary Guard."
You are confusing "unpredictable" with "unstable".

"That POS Soleimani killed 600 Americans and was in the process of destabilizing Iraq. You are not hearing much from the terrorist regime right now,
since no one knows who is next."


As LC noted, are you familiar with the name "Osama bin laden"?
 
Cubs, it is getting really tiring to have to correct all the misinformation you keep posting. Especially when you either don't read or don't seem to understand when you are wrong and people are correcting you. Both Spec and I corrected your rant about broken agreements and Obama's part in them.
Get your facts straight, then post.

At least real Republicans are fed up with the buffoon who seems to be your hero. When you see the previous REPUBLICAN President's campaign team forming a Super PAC to support a DEMOCRAT for president it should give you a clue as to what a disaster your hero Trump is. 
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2020, 08:07:24 AM »
Your reality distortion field continues Cwericb.

So many intentional misstatements - where to begin.

How about Russia?  Boy, oh boy, does Putin miss Obama!  I get to walk right into Syria with Obama's invitation and then trounce on
his "red line" - Putin made Obama look like the foreign policy chump he was!

Missiles to Ukraine to defend themselves from the Russians???  Not on chumpster Obama's watch - no way!

Meanwhile, Trump shows Putin he "means business" when he smokes 200 Russian agents in Syria - when Trump throws down
the "red line" - he means it.  Putin can't wait to get rid of Trump!

Oh, yeah, how about those Obama, oops Trump, sanctions on Russia - Vlad has got to love those.

Cwericb - I know this is "The Year of Stupid", but stop lying to the CoFB members already!!