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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 02:30:52 PM »
But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.

Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics
and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.

In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.

It wasn't Obama who started identity politics...that happened under Dubya and Cheney.

Things were also far worse in the 50's and 60's when segregation was coming to an end.  What we are watching today is nothing compared to what used to happen back then.  Cheers!
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 12:39:04 PM »
To be honest, seeing that stark, clear difference in response to Covid-19 between the US and China is eye opening to say the least. It's not just incompetence that can be blamed on a single person or his administration, it's an entire system that's been laid bare as completely impotent. I'm afraid the mantle has been passed in 2020 and there's no turning back. I've been lighting up on my US exposure and looking to rebalance heavily towards China and East Asia in general.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2020, 03:21:48 PM »
Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 04:17:38 PM »
Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.


Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,
as those members HONOR their commitments.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 04:30:25 PM »
Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.


Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,
as those members HONOR their commitments.

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 04:41:00 PM »
Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.


Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,
as those members HONOR their commitments.

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.
What the fuck are you guys talking about?

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 05:20:07 PM »
Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.


Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,
as those members HONOR their commitments.

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.
What the fuck are you guys talking about?

Unfortunately that sort arrogant attitude is why the US has lost so much respect around the world. Cooperate with US allies? No. Attack them because they are "so unfair to us", "they took advantage of us". I mean really, don't you see how the rest of the world perceives you as the US attacks its allies?

Don't be a cry baby, if you agree to a deal and then you decide you don't like it, suck it up and live with it. If you buy a stock and it drops in value do you cry to a broker and ask for your money back? 

But do you really think all your allies are being mean and nasty to you, but Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un, and Vlad Putin, well those guys are great people, beautiful, wonderful, tremendous friends.

How do you guys justify this stuff? This sort of attitude is the root of many of the problems in the US today. You just don't want to deal with adversity. You don't want lockdowns, you don't want social changes, etc.
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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2020, 05:31:18 PM »
Just FYI................
LIBERAL: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
CONSERVATIVE: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

See the problem?

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2020, 06:21:01 PM »
Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.
Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

How dumb are you?

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

Sure Cwericb!

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it
forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety
from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

What world are you from anyway?

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Re: Are the problems in the U.S. insurmountable?
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 05:09:39 AM »
Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.
Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

How dumb are you?

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

Sure Cwericb!

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it
forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety
from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

What world are you from anyway?

Well Cubs, answer this. All those asertations of yours, where did you get all this information?

Did your information come from the right wing American media that you often quote? Do you think that is unbiased and correct?
Did it come from independent mainstream American news sources? But isn't that all Fake News?
Perhaps it came from the President?  We all know he is well informed and never lies. Right?
Did you ever think you might just be spreading propaganda?

Have you cross checked ANY of your information with news sources outside of the USA?

Let me set you straight on something else. You state "...Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran"

Once again the US is not the center of the universe. Get your facts straight, Obama didn't make that Iran agreement. That agreement was a mutual agreement signed by the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany, the European Union and the United States. And you think all those countries are stupid? And somehow you think Obama created that deal. You are as misinformed as is the president.

And as far as NATO is concerned, U.S. interests are not completely altruistic are they? Are you familiar with the phrase, 'you can fight them over there or you can fight them over here'?

The US military operates worldwide because it is in their own best interests. The fact that the US is involved in NATO relieves some of the pressure and costs of US protection. Here is some info for you. The United States maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries around the world. Only 30 of those 70 countries are in NATO. But the NATO bases are subsidized by NATO. So when it comes to financing the US, instead of criticizing them, be damn glad that NATO contributes so much money to the the protection of US interests around the world.

Now as far as protecting Europe from Russian aggression is concerned, is the US safer with those countries aligned with the US or if they were under Russian control? Again, protecting those countries is in the US's own interests, the fact that other countries help pay for NATO also helps the US.

Unfortunately it seems that the President is much friendlier with Putin than he is with any of the European countries.

So Cubs please explain that for us?

The US is facing a lot of problems, blaming others will not resolve anything.

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