Quote from: LC on January 06, 2019, 06:37:12 PMI'd like to know if the wall supports are in support of a hunting down and kicking out all illegal immigrants living in the US, and what they plan on doing that.By some accounts there are about 22 million illegal immigrants in the UShttps://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-usBy latest counts, there are about 300,000 illegal immigrants crossing into the US annually, and that is falling.Therefore it would take over 70 years of the wall just to prevent the existing illegal immigration in the US.Why aren't you guys pushing for taking this money and enforcing citizenship tests? Door to door INS raids? Mandatory citizenship checks. Citizenship cards which must be held at all times. Or are you going to wait 70 years to handle that?Good lord, where does it stop with you guys?We ratchet up ICE and you libs protest, cry racism, and want to abolish it. We target them, and you guys want sanctuary cities.As has already been said, liberals just want to obstruct ANY solution because this "let them all in/stay" movement is a methodical pay for play type of scheme. All the cesspools that harbor these criminals are irreversibly turning darker and darker blue. Which is the end goal here and why liberals oppose any real effort stop this.
I'd like to know if the wall supports are in support of a hunting down and kicking out all illegal immigrants living in the US, and what they plan on doing that.By some accounts there are about 22 million illegal immigrants in the UShttps://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-usBy latest counts, there are about 300,000 illegal immigrants crossing into the US annually, and that is falling.Therefore it would take over 70 years of the wall just to prevent the existing illegal immigration in the US.Why aren't you guys pushing for taking this money and enforcing citizenship tests? Door to door INS raids? Mandatory citizenship checks. Citizenship cards which must be held at all times. Or are you going to wait 70 years to handle that?
they saw that California was flipped to permanently Democratic by uncontrolled illegal immigration.
At that point, the light went on in the Democratic Party to wreck the country with uncontrolledillegal immigration - all for political power.
You ought to go live in Central California for a few months and see what a disaster the place is.You would be amazed - and you certainly wouldn't want to live there.
Oh I'm just saying if you were rationally interested in removing illegal immigrants from the US, you have a handful of things you should be pushing for, instead of wall.The fact that you aren't, is illuminating.
Quote from: ERICOPOLY on January 01, 2019, 10:26:21 AMQuote from: Parsad on December 31, 2018, 06:11:53 PMQuote from: LC on December 29, 2018, 10:24:50 AMI saw a comment recently that made me think - one of the traits people claimed Trump had was the ability to make a deal. I am curious how those who voted for/support him view this in light of the government shut down, and Trump's inability to convince (1) Mexico (2) A Republican Congress, to pay for one of his most memorable promises - the "wall".He is not a good deal maker. He uses threats and litigation in his business, and he does the same as President...if I don't get what I want, I will shut the government down. Cheers!He is financially harming the Federal workers (shooting the hostages) until he gets his way.Although he would describe it as "flesh wounds"! Cheers!
Quote from: Parsad on December 31, 2018, 06:11:53 PMQuote from: LC on December 29, 2018, 10:24:50 AMI saw a comment recently that made me think - one of the traits people claimed Trump had was the ability to make a deal. I am curious how those who voted for/support him view this in light of the government shut down, and Trump's inability to convince (1) Mexico (2) A Republican Congress, to pay for one of his most memorable promises - the "wall".He is not a good deal maker. He uses threats and litigation in his business, and he does the same as President...if I don't get what I want, I will shut the government down. Cheers!He is financially harming the Federal workers (shooting the hostages) until he gets his way.
Quote from: LC on December 29, 2018, 10:24:50 AMI saw a comment recently that made me think - one of the traits people claimed Trump had was the ability to make a deal. I am curious how those who voted for/support him view this in light of the government shut down, and Trump's inability to convince (1) Mexico (2) A Republican Congress, to pay for one of his most memorable promises - the "wall".He is not a good deal maker. He uses threats and litigation in his business, and he does the same as President...if I don't get what I want, I will shut the government down. Cheers!
I saw a comment recently that made me think - one of the traits people claimed Trump had was the ability to make a deal. I am curious how those who voted for/support him view this in light of the government shut down, and Trump's inability to convince (1) Mexico (2) A Republican Congress, to pay for one of his most memorable promises - the "wall".
Quote from: MarkS on January 06, 2019, 05:16:18 AMhttps://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-citiesMark, read your GAO report. The relevant statistic is on page 23.https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdfQuoteFigure 11: Primary Convictions Related to Criminal Alien Federal Offenders inFiscal Year 2009 1%Money Laundering/Racketeering/Extortion2%Other (“Other” offenses include homicide, kidnapping, sex offenses, assault, arson, burglary, and auto theft.)2%Firearms7%Economic Crimes20%Drugs68%ImmigrationIt is quite obvious the majority of crimes that illegal immigrants commit are (1) simply being in the US illegally, followed by (2) drugs. Rape, murder, assault, etc. are way down on the list.But again, a wall is an ineffective preventative measure and will not slow the tide of illegal immigration. Therefore, arguing that a wall will stop these crimes is just wrong.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities
Figure 11: Primary Convictions Related to Criminal Alien Federal Offenders inFiscal Year 2009 1%Money Laundering/Racketeering/Extortion2%Other (“Other” offenses include homicide, kidnapping, sex offenses, assault, arson, burglary, and auto theft.)2%Firearms7%Economic Crimes20%Drugs68%Immigration
