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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2020, 06:08:42 AM »
Bernie widens his lead in the polls everyday. His simple message of "everything is going to be free from now on" really resonates with voters. Having been written off after his heart attack a few months ago, he is set to give the stock market its own heart attack.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/sanders-leads-in-iowa-on-eve-of-caucuses-in-emerson-poll?srnd=premium

"Bernie Sanders led with 28% support from Democrats in a statewide Iowa poll released on the eve of Monday’s caucuses.

In the Emerson College poll of likely Democratic caucus-goers, Joe Biden came in second with 21%, followed by Pete Buttigieg with 15% and Elizabeth Warren with 14%. Amy Klobuchar was fifth, with 11%.

Emerson research assistant Brendan Kane said that those second choices could prove important for Sanders in particular. Almost half of Warren supporters name Sanders a second choice, Kane said, and she is “right on the edge” of the 15% viability threshold in several parts of the state."

I think many people do not understand why Trump won the election and why he continues to be so popular, especially with his base. It is the great untold story.

I wonder if Bernie’s popularity is just as mis understood. My guess is there is more to his support than is generally understood.

Both Trump and Sanders are pretty hated. My guess is their support comes from a very similar place.

People who support Bernie think of themselves as people with "good" intentions. Feeding, clothing, educating the poor to further drive forward society in a "meaningful" manner. Generally when you talk with Bernie supporters they are either extremely angry with "the system" or bleeding hearts. Most if not any will admit that they support Bernie out of selfish desires (paying off their own debts). It most certainly is a primary driving factor and that's what makes Bernie such a popular guy. Nobody likes to admit they are selfish. But Bernie's campaign allows you to "Trojan horse" your selfishness under the guise of compassion for others. This makes it extremely easy to support Bernie.

"If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life." - Thoreau 


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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2020, 09:14:47 AM »
Bernie leads Biden 53-3 among people under 35. I don't know whether it is indexing or just plain greed. But Bernie is not even remotely priced in by healthcare and defense stocks.

Here is how Bernie thinks the Fed should be run.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-how-bernie-sanders-could-cripple-the-stock-market-as-president-161112200.html

"Banking industry executives must no longer be allowed to serve on the Fed’s boards and to handpick its members and staff," Sanders wrote in a 2015 New York Times op-ed titled “Bernie Sanders: To rein in Wall Street, fix the Fed.”

Sanders added, "Board positions should instead include representatives from all walks of life — including labor, consumers, homeowners, urban residents, farmers and small businesses."

Bernie widens his lead in the polls everyday. His simple message of "everything is going to be free from now on" really resonates with voters. Having been written off after his heart attack a few months ago, he is set to give the stock market its own heart attack.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/sanders-leads-in-iowa-on-eve-of-caucuses-in-emerson-poll?srnd=premium

"Bernie Sanders led with 28% support from Democrats in a statewide Iowa poll released on the eve of Monday’s caucuses.

In the Emerson College poll of likely Democratic caucus-goers, Joe Biden came in second with 21%, followed by Pete Buttigieg with 15% and Elizabeth Warren with 14%. Amy Klobuchar was fifth, with 11%.

Emerson research assistant Brendan Kane said that those second choices could prove important for Sanders in particular. Almost half of Warren supporters name Sanders a second choice, Kane said, and she is “right on the edge” of the 15% viability threshold in several parts of the state."

I think many people do not understand why Trump won the election and why he continues to be so popular, especially with his base. It is the great untold story.

I wonder if Bernie’s popularity is just as mis understood. My guess is there is more to his support than is generally understood.

Both Trump and Sanders are pretty hated. My guess is their support comes from a very similar place.

People who support Bernie think of themselves as people with "good" intentions. Feeding, clothing, educating the poor to further drive forward society in a "meaningful" manner. Generally when you talk with Bernie supporters they are either extremely angry with "the system" or bleeding hearts. Most if not any will admit that they support Bernie out of selfish desires (paying off their own debts). It most certainly is a primary driving factor and that's what makes Bernie such a popular guy. Nobody likes to admit they are selfish. But Bernie's campaign allows you to "Trojan horse" your selfishness under the guise of compassion for others. This makes it extremely easy to support Bernie.

"If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life." - Thoreau

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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2020, 11:28:55 PM »
Sanders campaign released data showing victory. Biden is in 4th place.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/04/amid-iowa-results-debacle-sanders-campaign-signals-victory-releasing-portion-its


Of interest to Berkshire investors:

Power to the people: Bernie calls for federal takeover of electricity production
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117

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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2020, 12:14:54 PM »
I feel like the Democrats know that Bernie can't win the general election. And so if he emerges from the early primaries with a lead over other contenders, there's a good chance that superdelegates pool support behind someone like Mike Bloomberg, who ultimately benefits from having avoided this early shitshow. This is kinda what I'm hoping will happen. Trump needs a legitimate opponent.

It is really sad that leadership of the most powerful nation in the world could come down to a competition between two ridiculous caricatures of "right" and "left".

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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2020, 12:21:58 PM »
I feel like the Democrats know that Bernie can't win the general election. And so if he emerges from the early primaries with a lead over other contenders, there's a good chance that superdelegates pool support behind someone like Mike Bloomberg, who ultimately benefits from having avoided this early shitshow. This is kinda what I'm hoping will happen. Trump needs a legitimate opponent.

It is really sad that leadership of the most powerful nation in the world could come down to a competition between two ridiculous caricatures of "right" and "left".

The GOP also thought Trump couldn't win.
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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2020, 12:29:40 AM »
Both Pete's public option and Bernie's ban private insurance agendas should be bad for healthcare stocks. Iowa has destroyed Biden (the guy who wanted to keep Obamacare).

But is there so much greed and/or indexing in the market that everything will go up instead of down?

Jeff Gundlach said the scariest thing for the markets in 2020 would be Bernie's nomination. Was he wrong?

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Re: Bernie Sanders casts sinister shadow over the stock market
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2020, 12:03:03 PM »
I feel like the Democrats know that Bernie can't win the general election. And so if he emerges from the early primaries with a lead over other contenders, there's a good chance that superdelegates pool support behind someone like Mike Bloomberg, who ultimately benefits from having avoided this early shitshow. This is kinda what I'm hoping will happen. Trump needs a legitimate opponent.

It is really sad that leadership of the most powerful nation in the world could come down to a competition between two ridiculous caricatures of "right" and "left".

The GOP also thought Trump couldn't win.

OK, I'll give you that!  :(