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Re: Biden again
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 02:08:32 PM »
On the subject of pardon, it may be illustrative to read the original defense from Hamilton:

Federalist pp. 74:

Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed. The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel. As the sense of responsibility is always strongest, in proportion as it is undivided, it may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. The reflection that the fate of a fellow-creature depended on his sole fiat, would naturally inspire scrupulousness and caution; the dread of being accused of weakness or connivance, would beget equal circumspection, though of a different kind. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.


https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/text-71-80#s-lg-box-wrapper-25493466

You can see here how the world of Hamilton and his contemporaries differs from today. Embedded in his defense of the pardon is the assumption of an individual and respectable ethical standard, or in his words, "scrupulousness and caution". I am not sure if this assumption still holds true...
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Re: Biden again
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 02:58:48 PM »
"However, no president has ever used clemency primarily to reward friends and political allies" until Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890075577/roger-stone-clemency-latest-example-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say

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Re: Biden again
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 03:01:09 PM »
Trump also prefers to disregard the advice of the Office of the Pardon Attorney in the Department of Justice, said American University professor Jeffrey Crouch, who has written extensively on the presidential pardon power. That office is responsible for vetting the thousands of clemency requests the government gets every year.

For over a century, presidents have relied on the recommendations of that office. Not so for Trump, who prefers to make his own decisions. A Washington Post investigation found that most of Trump's grants of clemency "have gone to well-connected offenders who had not filed petitions with the pardon office or did not meet its requirements."

"He has largely ignored the little guy, or anonymous offenders who apply for presidential mercy through the usual channels," Crouch told NPR. "Under President Trump, the old back door to clemency getting the president's attention somehow seems to have become the new front door."


https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890075577/roger-stone-clemency-latest-example-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say

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Re: Biden again
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2020, 03:57:50 PM »
The president's clemency power is supposed to exist solely to protect the national interest, said professor Mark Rozell, dean of the Schar School of Policy and Government at George Mason University. Rozell cited Alexander Hamilton's pronouncement in the Federalist Papers that it's better to give this power to the president "a single man of prudence and good sense" than to a legislative body like Congress.

The Founding Fathers never anticipated that a president would use his power as Trump has, Rozell said. "There is nothing in Trump's pardons of political allies and cronies that meets the national interest standard," Rozell told NPR. "It is a mockery of the constitutional power vested in him."


https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890075577/roger-stone-clemency-latest-example-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say

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Re: Biden again
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2020, 06:45:46 PM »
Joe Biden: "A career criminal."

Stepping away from Politics for a second, don't you think that Sanjeev should advertise his fund on War Room: Pandemic?

It would seem like a good mean to attract funds.

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Re: Biden again
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2020, 06:50:36 PM »
Well it certainly seems to have worked for Trump.
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Re: Biden again
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2020, 05:31:36 AM »
Joe Biden: "A career criminal."

Stepping away from Politics for a second, don't you think that Sanjeev should advertise his fund on War Room: Pandemic?

It would seem like a good mean to attract funds.

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That My Pillow guy seems to have the adverts locked down. 

For all the shit talking about fake news and whatnot, Steve Bannon has been now shown to have been right about COVID-19 and Hunter's laptop.