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Schwab711

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2018, 09:03:19 AM »
"Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested."

Where have you been dude?

That is actually a huge part of the problem in the U.S. as people have walked in, majority have not been arrested, did not follow laws, nor laws were enforced and now they are in the country for good as some like their work and some like their vote.

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Can you at least source your lies so they are easier to refute? You don't understand the US government, our laws, or our history half as well as you pretend. There is no mass illegal voting issue in the US. Trump's Administration refused to repeat that claim in court when they had legal liability. He lied to you.

The risk to reward of an illegal voting make it almost impossible for us to have a mass illegal voting problem. As an American who has voted before, I can 100% say that it is not something I would risk much for. It is American to vote, but all in all is rather meaningless. So I just can't see how somebody who is here illegally, and runs the risk of being jailed and deported, risks that, to vote. With all the security there, and identification needed, it would just be an asinine risk to take to do something that does not really matter or make a difference in your life. It would be like driving to the police station drunk to let them know you found an empty wallet in the bar parking lot.

Word.



To clarify, I don't know much about other immigration/voting problems. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of behavior pushes the envelope but I have no opinion/knowledge.


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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2018, 09:23:14 AM »
Ok I will rephrase.

By letting illegals in they get the votes of latinos already in the system. And the goal of Democrats is to make illegals full citizens so that they can vote and then they will obviously get their vote.

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2018, 09:25:48 AM »
Canada under Trudeau is acting like a thankless backstabbing neighbor.This is what they do behind the scenes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

So it gets to pocket all the benefits that comes with NAFTA but only US has to pay the price for illegal immigration and drugs pouring in from the southern border.

Trump should instead force Canada to pay for the wall with Mexico and accept more refugees/children. Otherwise scrap NAFTA or act like Mexico and give access to the migrants to move to Canada.

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2018, 11:08:14 AM »
I pulled these numbers off wikipedia.
Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Percentages) Between 1910 and 2010

                                 1950.        1960.       1970.       1980.        1990.       2000.      2010.
Hispanic.                    2.1%.        3.2%.       4.4%.       6.4%.       9.0%.     12.5%.    16.3% 
Non-Hispanic White.    87.5%       85.4%.     83.5%.     79.6%.     75.6%.    69.1%.     63.7%

This is a lot to ask of a culture - to essentially go from a overwhelmingly white, homogenous culture to one in which non-hispanic whites are a minority in about a one generation.  That's a lot of cultural stress to inflict on a population.  I feel certain that many will accuse me of racism for making this comment.  Nevertheless, it remains a large ask of a population.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 12:31:14 PM by MarkS »

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2018, 02:53:32 PM »
What Trump is doing is very similar to what the South-Africans were doing in the apartheid era.
And not that far from typical Israeli practice in the occupied territories.
Rallying fear is not new.

The 'fear' was always that were 'they' to get the 'vote'; the many times larger (but tribal) black population would displace the two white (afrikaaners & english) 'tribes' from power. While apartheid was largely designed to protect the jobs of lower-skilled (largely rural) afrikaaners, over time the afrikaans % of the white tribes fell, and their ability to hold onto power declined. Substitute 'North' and  'South' as the white tribes, 'South' for afrikaaners, and Mexican/South American migrants for the tribal black population.

Fundamentally; technology is replacing many of the jobs that the lower skilled 'South' relied upon.
For those jobs left, migrants are undercuting wages & sending the proceeds home (for a better life). Southern families are seeing their (& future) generations become steadily worse off than previous generations, and their standards-of-living decline to 3rd world levels. That 3rd world status becoming visible when hurricanes show up (New Orleans, Puerto Rico). And those illegals keep coming because US businesses keep paying them under the table; cut the money flow (employment, drug purchases) and you will cut migration.

It can however produce some very funny 'side-effects'
A 'white' south-african, born in africa, counts as a 'visible minority' in N/A affirmative action policies.
Perhaps not quite the original intent.

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I pulled these numbers off wikipedia.
Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Percentages) Between 1910 and 2010

                                 1950.        1960.       1970.       1980.        1990.       2000.      2010.
Hispanic.                    2.1%.        3.2%.       4.4%.       6.4%.       9.0%.     12.5%.    16.3% 
Non-Hispanic White.    87.5%       85.4%.     83.5%.     79.6%.     75.6%.    69.1%.     63.7%

This is a lot to ask of a culture - to essentially go from a overwhelmingly white, homogenous culture to one in which non-hispanic whites are a minority in about a one generation.  That's a lot of cultural stress to inflict on a population.  I feel certain that many will accuse me of racism for making this comment.  Nevertheless, it remains a large ask of a population.

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2018, 03:08:51 PM »
Hi Sharper,
Don't you think that the comparison to South Africa a little stretched?  In South Africa you had a very small percentage of whites (probably less that 10%) controlling a country that was overwhelmingly black.  The USA was once an overwhelmingly white country which has been undergoing a dramatic transformation primarily because of open borders. 

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2018, 05:42:19 PM »
I pulled these numbers off wikipedia.
Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Percentages) Between 1910 and 2010

                                 1950.        1960.       1970.       1980.        1990.       2000.      2010.
Hispanic.                    2.1%.        3.2%.       4.4%.       6.4%.       9.0%.     12.5%.    16.3% 
Non-Hispanic White.    87.5%       85.4%.     83.5%.     79.6%.     75.6%.    69.1%.     63.7%

This is a lot to ask of a culture - to essentially go from a overwhelmingly white, homogenous culture to one in which non-hispanic whites are a minority in about a one generation.  That's a lot of cultural stress to inflict on a population.  I feel certain that many will accuse me of racism for making this comment.  Nevertheless, it remains a large ask of a population.

First, I get your concern about being labeled racist and I genuinely believe you aren't if you say so. I'm guessing you got this view from a media commentator. Let me try to phrase your question in a few different ways and hopefully it helps.

1. The % of White folks in the US in 2010 (72.4%) is roughly equal to the White population % between 1740-1770. Our country's demographics vary considerably depending on who is fighting wars/going through a recession/depression and why.

2. Between 1840-1930, the majority of the population in Mississippi was Black. Yet they were willing to succeed from the US to 'preserve their culture'. For obvious reasons, we can make the small leap to call this a preservation of power.

Further, between 1820-1920, Blacks represented at least 40% of the population in Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and sometimes, Virginia. Most of these states are widely known for their 'White' cultures.

3. Throughout all of US history, immigration has been a polarizing, political issue.
Pre-1800: The Puritans weren't particularly pumped about the German/Irish Protestant immigrants
To 1850: The Puritans and Protestants weren't happy about the incoming Catholics
To 1920/1930: The religious Christians generally didn't support the influx of new Irish Catholics, Chinese/Asians, Southern Europeans, and Eastern European/Russians. Chinese and Jews were particularly unwelcomed because they would destroy our culture.
Beyond 1945: Now we get to the familiar smorgasbord of folks. First Koreans, then Vietnamese, Hungarians, Cubans, Africans, Arabs, and finally, some Jews were unenthusiastically welcomed. Eventually Central America and South Pacific Islands immigration picks up and Southern Europe sees a revival. USSR falls and the Eastern European/Russian folks come pouring in for the first time in 60 years. We eventually see Mexicans and Indians take the lead sometime around the late-90's or so. All the while, we see Albanians, Lebanese, Rwandan, and all sorts of other folks from small war-torn countries.

At every point, people were concerned about immigration. At every point they were wrong and folks assimilated. Folks have assimilated so much that the term White is extremely difficult to define and eventually the US Census Bureau had to give up trying to classify people and had to start asking people to tell them (sometime around 1930-1960).

4. Your stats show what we'll call traditional White folks are still the plurality of races in 2050. However, if history is any guide, sometime between now and 2050 we will change the race categories and stop breaking out Hispanic. At that point, 20%+ of the 28% Hispanics will be included in White and the US will look nearly identical to today. You may be concerned about the shade of the country at that point and not want to raise the issue. That is exactly what the Puritans were concerned about when the Germans took over the New World. That's also exactly what the Puritans/Germans/Irish worried about when the Southern Europeans of 'different shades' started immigrating. Now Italian/Portuguese Americans are included in the White population without a moment of thought.

I guess my question to you is what exactly is the ask of the country? How has the culture changed? How do you define White? I guess simply, what is the problem? I don't mean this in a critical way. I'm genuinely curious about your opinion and how you arrived at it. I'm just thinking through your comment and wondering what is so different about today relative to every immigration wave in history. If anything, the current immigration wave of the last 20-30 years is more White and more Christian (traits traditionally associated with the US) than any immigration wave in at least 100 years.

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2018, 08:54:31 PM »
Schwab, that's a beautiful and insightful post. No way I would have been able to deliver such quality.

But bottom line, everyone should chill out, we're all gonna be ok.

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2018, 05:10:15 AM »
Why isn't the US doing more to stop the flow of illegal Canadians into USA which is even higher than the amount of Mexicans into the USA? You can read the article! The #1 source of illegals in USA are Canadians who over-stay their tourist visa, hence illegal!

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Re: Canada should welcome more US migrants/refugees?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2018, 05:20:28 AM »
Why isn't the US doing more to stop the flow of illegal Canadians into USA which is even higher than the amount of Mexicans into the USA? You can read the article! The #1 source of illegals in USA are Canadians who over-stay their tourist visa, hence illegal!