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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2019, 07:38:37 AM »
Believe me that his firing does not represent the opinions of many Canadians.

If you really listen to him and know Canada, he is complaining more about the leftist culture than immigrants.  There is a common trend among the left to avoid the poppy and to denounce the veterans as evil.

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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2019, 07:50:14 AM »
I would imagine a lot of immigrants don't know about the poppy. Many times immigrants are prouder than regular Americans about being in America (and I would imagine it's the same in Canada). This was a very good opinion piece on the left's anti-Americanism.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/cold-welcome-for-veterans-on-campus-11573411754

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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2019, 02:05:18 PM »
Don't make this a thing about left or right.  He made the mistake of saying "you people" and "immigrants".  It's the same rhetoric that he's been using for 40 years, as did Archie Bunker and as does Donald Trump.  Generalizations about groups of society!  Creating divisiveness, instead of unity.  He didn't call out the rest of the population who don't wear a poppy. 

The Defense Minister of Canada, Harj Sajjan, is an immigrant family, he served two tours in Afghanistan.  There are thousands and thousands of immigrants who serve in the Armed Forces.  Thus, the outcry over what Cherry said...in this day and age, where immigrants make up all walks of life, he specifically (by mistake or otherwise) targeted the immigrant population.  I thought we were past people making immigrants feel inferior like when my family was called "Paki" all the time back in the 70's and 80's! 

Cherry has done alot of good things in his life.  I think it's a shame that much of that will be lost in one stupid act!  As Buffett says, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only one mistake to tear it down. 

And by the way, not only do we wear a poppy, but various members of my family and many of my friends, have served, continue to serve, at different times, in different capacities, both here and overseas.  Cheers!
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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2019, 02:48:10 PM »
Don't make this a thing about left or right.  He made the mistake of saying "you people" and "immigrants".  It's the same rhetoric that he's been using for 40 years, as did Archie Bunker and as does Donald Trump.  Generalizations about groups of society!  Creating divisiveness, instead of unity.  He didn't call out the rest of the population who don't wear a poppy. 

The Defense Minister of Canada, Harj Sajjan, is an immigrant family, he served two tours in Afghanistan.  There are thousands and thousands of immigrants who serve in the Armed Forces.  Thus, the outcry over what Cherry said...in this day and age, where immigrants make up all walks of life, he specifically (by mistake or otherwise) targeted the immigrant population.  I thought we were past people making immigrants feel inferior like when my family was called "Paki" all the time back in the 70's and 80's! 

Cherry has done alot of good things in his life.  I think it's a shame that much of that will be lost in one stupid act!  As Buffett says, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only one mistake to tear it down. 

And by the way, not only do we wear a poppy, but various members of my family and many of my friends, have served, continue to serve, at different times, in different capacities, both here and overseas.  Cheers!

I agree with you on this. I think whatís difficult in society is we still have generations alive who have some deep rooted biases for various reasons (personal or remnants of culture). These generations are being outpaced by quick social/racial changes. Iím not giving them excuses but Vietnam veterans come to mind as an example of this. Most of them donít but many of them have extreme bias towards anyone who looks Asian. These types of people probably wonít change and as a result the dichotomy will continue to grow more obvious as culture continues to shift. But as the new guard continues to take over the weíll(hopefully) see fewer cases of this.

No idea who this guy is, but some of the outrage probably has to do with people knowing his TV personality vs his off air one. Nostalgia build strong opinions. Reminds me of the Bill Cosby debacle to a much lesser extent. Nobody wanted it to be true (including myself) but alas it was. And Americaís favorite Dad was ruined.

 

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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2019, 03:43:37 PM »
The best comp for Don Cherry is probably John Madden in the US. Except IMO Cherry was even bigger than Madden. But same thing. Old school, no nonsense, play the right way, be a team player kind of mentality.

The problem, is if you are ignorant, or a sissy, you can very easily misinterpret what he says, or take something way out of context. Frankly, Im surprised Cherry lasted this long. I am not a huge fan of his per say, but the guy was a legend in hockey and not exactly some dangerous threat.

I grew up playing hockey during the 90's so my "era" of the game glanced a couple different "versions" of it. While I completely understand what Don means when he says you need to be a "good old Canadian boy" and cant play the game like a "lazy Russian", those that played hockey in their lives, know exactly what he's talking about. The "Canadian" way, is sacrificing your body to block a shot, hustling your ass off 100% to get back on a 2 on 1, etc. Whereas once Europeans started getting involved in the sports, the game shifted. "Their" way of playing, which was often called "lazy" was much more of a pure skill and offense minded game. Guys like Fedorov, Kovalev, and Elias. They looked like they weren't hustling because they just played smoothly and had a certain finesse element to them. They often secondarily sought to entertain and make the game exciting. This a stark contrast to the Montreal Canadiens and NJ Devils defense oriented, left wing lock approach.

So the gist, this guy is passionate as heck about the sport and an ambassador of the game. He means no harm, but was a sitting duck and said shit that in todays day and age was bound to hurt somebody's feelings or get an advertiser's panties in a bunch. All that said, you also now have a lot of diversity in the game. Not just the Subban's, but the Kadri's, Zibenejad's, Kane's, etc. So maybe it's time for Don to exit stage left...

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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 04:41:46 PM »
What Don Cherry said was pretty bad.. but how is it worse than Trudeau black/brown facing multiple times? But somehow JT gets re-elected?

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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2019, 05:29:25 PM »
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You people love — you, that come here, whatever it is — you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey,” Cherry said. “At least you could pay a couple of bucks for poppies or something like that.


On top of what he said, he doubles up on this and is unapologetic. Seems to be the right thing to do to fire him for saying this totally out of context in a sports program. I am not sure why this firing is even considered controversial.

I do know that a lot of ”good people” are saying racists thing every on in while. But it’s one thing to say this at home or in private company,  it’s quite another to do it on the job and even more so in public on national TV. If you do that you should be prepared to get fired, it’s that simple.
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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2019, 12:28:51 PM »
The best comp for Don Cherry is probably John Madden in the US. Except IMO Cherry was even bigger than Madden. But same thing. Old school, no nonsense, play the right way, be a team player kind of mentality.

The problem, is if you are ignorant, or a sissy, you can very easily misinterpret what he says, or take something way out of context. Frankly, Im surprised Cherry lasted this long. I am not a huge fan of his per say, but the guy was a legend in hockey and not exactly some dangerous threat.

I grew up playing hockey during the 90's so my "era" of the game glanced a couple different "versions" of it. While I completely understand what Don means when he says you need to be a "good old Canadian boy" and cant play the game like a "lazy Russian", those that played hockey in their lives, know exactly what he's talking about. The "Canadian" way, is sacrificing your body to block a shot, hustling your ass off 100% to get back on a 2 on 1, etc. Whereas once Europeans started getting involved in the sports, the game shifted. "Their" way of playing, which was often called "lazy" was much more of a pure skill and offense minded game. Guys like Fedorov, Kovalev, and Elias. They looked like they weren't hustling because they just played smoothly and had a certain finesse element to them. They often secondarily sought to entertain and make the game exciting. This a stark contrast to the Montreal Canadiens and NJ Devils defense oriented, left wing lock approach.

So the gist, this guy is passionate as heck about the sport and an ambassador of the game. He means no harm, but was a sitting duck and said shit that in todays day and age was bound to hurt somebody's feelings or get an advertiser's panties in a bunch. All that said, you also now have a lot of diversity in the game. Not just the Subban's, but the Kadri's, Zibenejad's, Kane's, etc. So maybe it's time for Don to exit stage left...

You are correct.  I think a good replacement for Don would be Brian Burke...crusty, no-nonsense, old-school GM, but he knows the difference between what is acceptable and not.  He'll push lines to make the discussion interesting, but he knows the game, like the world, has evolved. 

By the way, some of the best players in the game today, who play what Don Cherry would consider old-school hockey, not like the "lazy Russians" are the Russians.  Ovechkin, Malkin, Kucherov & Tarasenko to name a few.  Cherry also did alot of good things for players (pushed for automatic icing), player health and care, pensions for older players, support for veterans, police officers, first responders and ambassador for the sport.  But it was time for him to go...usher in an era where Canadians no longer dominate the sport...it is global, it is played by immigrants, it's bigger than Cherry and Canada!  Cheers!
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Re: Canada Turning On It's Own
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2019, 12:30:37 PM »
What Don Cherry said was pretty bad.. but how is it worse than Trudeau black/brown facing multiple times? But somehow JT gets re-elected?

Hey, I was all for a Trudeau resignation.  The fact that he got as many votes as he did is more disturbing than what Cherry said.  It's the hypocrisy of the left, just like we see elsewhere.  Cheers!
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