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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2020, 04:13:13 PM »
 
Why is it so hard to find information on CHAZ?  The media doesn't really cover much of it

So is the purpose of this topic to discuss CHAZ or CHOP or whatever it's called?

Or is it to discuss your assertion that the media isn't "really covering" it?

I think the former is a potentially interesting topic of discussion, but the latter is...well let's just say I am doing my best not to past a "Let me google that for you" link :D
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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2020, 04:25:59 PM »
but then tell you with a straight face that a woman can actually be a man.....

“it is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex.”

“If the employer retains an otherwise identical employee who was identified as female at birth, the employer intentionally penalizes a person identified as male at birth for traits or actions that it tolerates in an employee identified as female at birth. Again, the individual employee’s sex plays an unmistakable and impermissible role in the discharge decision.”

- Justice Gorsuch, today.

(and Trump nominated him, so don't blame the Liberals)

This deals with discrimination, not biology.

What is it that you object to exactly? 

If you have it the way you want, you are going to wind up with individuals who were born female and who look just like men in the women's room.

If you don't have it the way you want, you are going to have individuals who were born male who look just like women in the women's room.

Why don't you just roll with it?

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2020, 04:35:46 PM »
You want this person to be required to use the men's room instead of the women's room?

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2020, 04:57:56 PM »
It doesnt really have anything to do with what one looks like. If chicks want to use the mens room, then thats less objectionable than dudes who want to use the ladies room. No biological women should really pose a threat to a biological man(physically at least, and generally speaking). If you have widely known co-ed bathrooms, that too solves an issue. People know what they are getting into. But the idea of a dude or ex-dude who now "claims" to feel like a lady sniffing around the same restrooms where mothers bring their little children and young girls go, just doesnt sit right with me. Too much of a stretch there. There are a lot of Jareds from Subway in the world.

Speaking of Subway's, what a total scam they are perpetrating on their franchisees. Running a 2/$10 promo to revitalize sales even though that isn't profitable for the unit owner, while taking 8% royalties on gross sales...

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2020, 05:03:29 PM »
Liberalism has gotten so bad that I'll probably vote for Trump. I was like a Bernie liberal too - not even Clinton level (there are some things I still like about Bernie though).

If you would have said that I would be voting for Trump back in 2015/2016...there is no way I would have believed it.

I still remember making fun of his "have Mexico pay for the wall" speech and all of his other nonsense. I think the guys is incompetent and corrupt but really what other choice do I have?

I know several people who either voted for Clinton or didn't vote in 2016 who will most likely voting for Trump this year. I didn't vote for anyone in 2016 and have never voted for a Republican president. That's how insane the Democrats have gotten. And I don't even like Trump!
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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2020, 05:05:32 PM »
But the idea of a dude or ex-dude who now "claims" to feel like a lady sniffing around the same restrooms where mothers bring their little children and young girls go, just doesnt sit right with me.

They (women) are very accepting.

I never let my little ones go into the restrooms unattended; a man can hide in a women's restroom, there's no guard keeping them out.

I've seen people born as female who have gone through female-to-male transition.  They just look like hairy dudes now.  And how are you going to keep men who were born as men out of the women's room if femaile-to-maie people are also forced to go in there?  You are going to tell them all apart?
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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2020, 05:11:57 PM »
If chicks want to use the mens room, then thats less objectionable than dudes who want to use the ladies room.

You are looking at it from the viewpoint of whether it does or does not bother Greg.

How about the person's own safety?  Is it safe for women (biological or not) to go into the men's restroom?  If that is considered safe by you, then it must also be safe for biological males to go into the women's restroom. 

There isn't always a unisex restroom option because they are not required by law.

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2020, 05:25:11 PM »
It's funny that when Justice Alito dissented, his explanation actually supports the majority opinion when he writes "Instead, all the debate concerned discrimination on the basis of biological sex".  That was exactly what the majority opinion was, that you can't discriminate against a worker for a given behavior solely on the basis of biological sex.


In dissent, however, Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, called the majority’s reasoning “preposterous.” Rather than strictly reading the statute, he wrote, “there is only one word for what the Court has done today: legislation.”

“‘Sex,’ ‘sexual orientation,’ and ‘gender identity,’ are different concepts,” Justice Alito wrote, observing that repeated efforts to explicitly add the latter terms to Title VII have died in Congress. During debates over the 1964 Civil Rights Act, no member of Congress “said one word about the possibility that the prohibition of sex discrimination might have that meaning. Instead, all the debate concerned discrimination on the basis of biological sex,” Justice Alito wrote.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-rules-for-gay-rights-in-the-workplace-11592230310

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2020, 05:32:06 PM »
Liberalism has gotten so bad that I'll probably vote for Trump. I was like a Bernie liberal too - not even Clinton level (there are some things I still like about Bernie though).

If you would have said that I would be voting for Trump back in 2015/2016...there is no way I would have believed it.

I still remember making fun of his "have Mexico pay for the wall" speech and all of his other nonsense. I think the guys is incompetent and corrupt but really what other choice do I have?

I know several people who either voted for Clinton or didn't vote in 2016 who will most likely voting for Trump this year. I didn't vote for anyone in 2016 and have never voted for a Republican president. That's how insane the Democrats have gotten. And I don't even like Trump!
AS i remember it Bernie was kinda cool with the free college thing AND cancelling student debt.

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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2020, 05:39:11 PM »
but then tell you with a straight face that a woman can actually be a man.....

“it is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex.”

“If the employer retains an otherwise identical employee who was identified as female at birth, the employer intentionally penalizes a person identified as male at birth for traits or actions that it tolerates in an employee identified as female at birth. Again, the individual employee’s sex plays an unmistakable and impermissible role in the discharge decision.”

- Justice Gorsuch, today.

(and Trump nominated him, so don't blame the Liberals)

This deals with discrimination, not biology.


The worst thing about this transgender thing is the mental aspect. Many of these people are seriously screwed up. A dude thinks he's a woman, but he's not.  Gender dysphoria (gender identity disorder) is a real and serious psychological disorder.  I would never wish that on anyone I know.
This impairs many aspects of their lives.

The suicide rate for transgenders is 40%+ --- you want your children mixed up in that?