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Gregmal

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« Reply #160 on: July 04, 2020, 10:31:14 AM »
Protesters have been blocking the I5 sporadically for weeks. Predictably it resulted in a serious accident last night.  I don't understand what is accomplished by this type of "protest".  I'm all in favor of peaceful protests but when you block a highway you endanger people's lives.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hl0pct/two_seattle_protestors_getting_run_over_by_a_car/

When I was little, my parents taught me not to play in the street. Whether a failure at parenting, or a failure of common sense, these people are idiots. I wouldn't say they "deserved" to get hit by a car, but, one can certainly make the case that loafing around on a major highway is "asking for it".


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« Reply #161 on: July 04, 2020, 10:49:01 AM »
Who would have thunk??

https://www.city-journal.org/ferguson-effect-inner-cities

The unwinding of law and order in our cities has happened with stunning speed.

In Minneapolis, shootings have more than doubled this year compared to last.

New York City’s homicide rate is at a five-year high; the number of shooting victims was up over 42 percent through June 21 compared with the same period in 2019.

Milwaukee’s homicides have increased 132 percent. “In 25 years, I’ve never seen it like this,” a Milwaukee police inspector

So far this year, more people have been killed in Baltimore than at this point in 2019, which ended with the highest homicide rate on record for that city

The victims in these shootings are overwhelmingly black. So far this year, 78 percent of all homicide victims in Chicago are black, though blacks are less than a third of the population.

While 307 people have been murdered this year in Chicago, the Chicago police have killed three suspects, all armed and dangerous.

I dont have the time to look it up, but can you tell me historically, IE the last decade or two, how those cities vote? Maybe its time they start voting for the other party. Nothing to lose at this point.

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« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2020, 08:38:18 AM »
Not sure what the confusion is here, it’s one thing to despise a country for its actions vs. despising it’s people.

Many folks across the world hate America for its international policy (war, war, and more war!). That doesn’t mean they hate Americans. Happy 4th!

Looks like some of these losers hate Israelis and Americans:

Watch: Pro-Palestinian BLM Rallies in U.S. Call for ‘Death to Israel, Death to America’


https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/07/06/pro-palestinian-blm-rallies-in-u-s-call-for-death-to-israel-and-to-america/

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« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2020, 09:58:47 AM »
For accurate information of the goals/mission of the BLM organization:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-matters-2020/

Unsurprisingly, there is no mention of Israel or Palestine.
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« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2020, 12:10:00 PM »
Now if you really want to see some losers, check these dopes out - the black version of the KKK:

https://www.newsweek.com/armed-black-demonstrators-challenge-white-supremacist-militia-georgias-stone-mountain-park-1515494
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« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2020, 08:58:02 AM »
For accurate information of the goals/mission of the BLM organization:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-matters-2020/

Unsurprisingly, there is no mention of Israel or Palestine.

Yeah because what a marketing firm puts on their "about" page embodies their actual intentions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ZWtqIzmQI

"We are trained Marxists."

“White people are sub human.”

https://thepostmillennial.com/blm-toronto-leader-believes-white-people-are-sub-human-calls-them-genetic-defects

Doesn't get any more clear cut than that...Sorry but when people try to defend the BLM group and say there are a lot of good people in the group I can't help but laugh. You know who else probably had a lot of "good people" in the group who were duped into believing and peddling the growth of another organization? The Nazis. Not everyone was an SS officer. Many were normal folks who probably didn't embody the entire vision of Hitler but supported some of the more agreeable undertones of the platform. Many of them just supported workers rights, reduced taxes on land, profit sharing, abolition of the military, creation of a healthy middle class etc.

Secure the masses with Utopian ideals and then shift the goal posts to more "blunt" ideals. Anyone who can't see that same angle in the BLM movement is woefully blind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
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« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2020, 10:34:38 AM »
Not sure what Marxism has to do with police brutality or racism. Seems like another non-sequitur.


On the topic of that nutjob from Toronto, well she's a nutjob, it's as simple as that. The difference is (1) again, BLM is not a taxpayer funded organization - it's a protest group. They cannot detain you, shoot you, etc. And (2) There are decades of evidence that US police organizations have a problem with excessive force. From this we can conclude it is a systematic issue. You cannot make the same comparison with BLM.
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« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2020, 10:57:53 AM »
Not sure what Marxism BLM has to do with police brutality or racism. Seems like another non-sequitur.

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« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2020, 02:44:34 PM »
More on the BS of "White Supremacy" from a Black Man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImV5TadrJc





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« Reply #169 on: July 07, 2020, 07:43:04 PM »
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Here are a couple of thoughtful commentaries, hopefully nobody will consider them overly biased or idealogical:

https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police

It is an attempt at thoughtful commentary. I find criticism in two areas - first, I have done the work myself - we can show with reasonable certainty that blacks are killed disproportionately by police. This is after adjusting for a variety of factors including whether the victim had a weapon, what type of weapon, police propensity to engage with people of various races, adjusted for geography/population density/income levels, and a few other factors which I am forgetting. There was a 50 or so page topic on this forum where I presented the work, I think about 1-1.5 years ago? Admittedly the absolute # of unarmed deaths is low, but it is decidedly disproportionate. And if you expand it to violent encounters (not only deaths) the # balloons. 

Second point of criticism is the validity of property destruction as part, or as accompanying, "peaceful protests". I posted the exact quote a few weeks ago from MLK in the later years of his life as he delivered a speech to white physicians in DC, where he makes a variety of counterpoints to the one the article makes. In particular I find issue with the following quote from your referenced article
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"Looting clothing stores or destroying grocery stores is something else entirely. We must be careful not to confuse the protesters with the rioters. The former are committed to nonviolence. The latter are simply criminals and should be treated as such."

This is a superficial view and lacks empathy and understanding. MLK makes the point better than I, and in two ways (I would suggest reading his speech as I will surely butcher his points but will try nonetheless). He says firstly that the act of looting and property destruction is a social illustration of what the oppressed community has experienced. It is communicating to those in power that for so long, the socially powerful (in his case, the white majority) has stolen physical safety, financial security, legal rights, destroyed economies, destroyed communities, etc. from the black minority - with the same ease that looters and vandals are now taking and destroying (white) property. The act of looting is a "small scale" reflection of how the powerful majority has treated the oppressed minority.

To say these violent/unlawful outbursts are wholly unrelated is, simply, to miss the point entirely.

The second point he makes is more utilitarian but I think just as powerful - he compares days/weeks/(months) of rioting and looting to years, decades, (centuries) of oppression - and asks, "which is truly worse, in the grand scheme of things". I'll add an edit here - the implication in this question is, for all those complaining about the looting and destruction that is occuring, about how socially dysfunctional this wanton theft and destruction is, about how these "violent thugs" are sullying the underlying message of injustice - are the questions: Where were these complaints over the past decades of injustice towards this minority group? Why are they complaining now, about something as trivial as a storefront glass and insured good for sale? Where were these complaints when innocent people were dying at the hands of an unjust majority?

It is this embarrassing irony that the act of looting and destruction is meant to focus the critical eye upon. The point of this violent destruction is to expose the ignorant hypocrisy of all those who make the claim from your article which I quoted above.

So again I'll reiterate my criticisms- on the data I find those who claim police violence effects all races "equally" as performing sloppy work (I am a statistician by trade if it means anything) and on the somewhat more subjective argument regarding the validity of types of protest, I again find the article you referenced to be superficial. Just my 2 cents.
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