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meiroy

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« Reply #170 on: July 07, 2020, 08:15:04 PM »
Israel =/= the Jews


Ok, got your point.

BLM has a problem with the Israelis
Sharpton has a problem with NY Jews.

happy now?
Happy? Always.

In this case, I can understand criticism of Israel. Jews, not so much. Itís an important distinction.

Not so much? A little? A bit, is OK with you?

Countless countries see yearly atrocities far worse then what you see in Israel.

What's happening in Syria right now, the numbers, are far greater than all the wars combined between Israel and its neighbors.


The ONE country you despise and think it's completely rational that BLM protestors shout about, is Israel?

I've just posted on another thread an example of black anti-Semitism.   Lookup DeSean Jackson's recent posts.

So yeah, horrible things happen in Israel, tragedies, and Israel should definitely be criticized. Absolutely.

However, the obsession with signaling out Israel is rooted in something else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel#:~:text=The%20following%20is%20a%20list,rest%20of%20the%20world%20combined.

"The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council. Since the creation of the Council in 2006, it has resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance)."

"Since the creation of the Council in 2006, it has resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined"







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Re: #CHAZ
« Reply #171 on: July 07, 2020, 08:15:45 PM »
On the video speech you linked I also find issue.

Mr. McWhorter argues that anti-racism is a religion or "faith". In other words, it is accepted without  evidence. I find this to be untrue.

His argument is essentially that "anti racists turn a blind eye to (1) black-on-black violent crime and (2) upward mobility of young black people"

This is a strawman. He may as well point to disproportionate success of black athletes in the NBA to "refute" anti racism. The fact is that the success of certain young black people, and the murders of black people by other black people, these do not invalidate claims of inequality.

Put simply, black on black murders and disproportionate police murders of black people can both be bad. To claim that "anti racists" must address every and all issue equally (lest they be labeled uncritical or "religious") is illogical. This is particularly true in the sense that police organizations are taxpayer funded enterprises who answer to elected officials and are staffed by supposedly law-abiding officers. Whereas black-on-black murder is perpetrated by CRIMINALS. So unless you hold police officers to the same standard as criminals, it is illogical to equate the two.
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« Reply #172 on: July 07, 2020, 08:51:49 PM »
Not sure what the confusion is here, itís one thing to despise a country for its actions vs. despising itís people.

Many folks across the world hate America for its international policy (war, war, and more war!). That doesnít mean they hate Americans. Happy 4th!


Far more people around the world hate America because they live in countries ruled by regimes that the USA opposes. These regimes control what kids learn in school about America. They control the media. On the other hand,  kids in Vietnam learn about history, about the war, but they don't learn to hate America, so they don't.

The second main reason is due to the openness of the USA where everything is out in the open, like what we see these days.  How much do you really know about what's going on in Iran or North Korea?  The media is flooded with news from the USA.

Life is not a Disney movie where the bad guy is us because there aren't really any bad guys out there.




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« Reply #173 on: July 07, 2020, 09:03:29 PM »
I think you are attributing more than what I was saying. I was simply drawing a distinction between criticizing the actions of a nation vs. the people of that nation (or in the case of Israel, the religion)
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« Reply #174 on: July 07, 2020, 09:09:43 PM »
I'll reiterate my point again, this time really simply for you:

PUTIN BAD. NOT ALL RUSSIANS BAD

Yes, your point was clear.  That's the generic reply. I'm saying it's disingenuous and I have shown why.






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« Reply #175 on: July 07, 2020, 09:15:51 PM »
I think you are attributing more than what I was saying. I was simply drawing a distinction between criticizing the actions of a nation vs. the people of that nation (or in the case of Israel, the religion)

And it's necessary to point that out?  Maybe because in reality, these anti-Israel-obsessive movements harbor a lot of anti-Semitism which they can't help but leak out now and then.

Why does BLM need to get involved with foreign policy right now? That's just stupid. I mean, don't you think it's silly they went and demonstrated against Putin, in support of the Russian opposition?

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« Reply #176 on: July 07, 2020, 09:24:28 PM »
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And it's necessary to point that out?
Yes it was, and apparently it still is.

Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic.
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« Reply #177 on: July 07, 2020, 09:37:02 PM »
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And it's necessary to point that out?
Yes it was, and apparently it still is.

Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic.


Of course, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic.  Again, you are being disingenuous.

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« Reply #178 on: July 07, 2020, 09:42:33 PM »
And how am I being disingenuous? I fail to see the link between UN resolutions against Israel and racist twitter posts from a football player, and the BLM organization.
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« Reply #179 on: July 07, 2020, 09:57:29 PM »

It is an attempt at thoughtful commentary. I find criticism in two areas - first, I have done the work myself - we can show with reasonable certainty that blacks are killed disproportionately by police.
So again I'll reiterate my criticisms- on the data I find those who claim police violence effects all races "equally" as performing sloppy work (I am a statistician by trade if it means anything) and on the somewhat more subjective argument regarding the validity of types of protest, I again find the article you referenced to be superficial. Just my 2 cents.

I appreciate your review and response. However, two things. You state that you have done the work yourself, and yet the academic papers (four cited by the author) do not show that "reasonable certainty." While published research can be very wrong, since we can't see your work (or can we?), perhaps you could point out the specific problems with it that you perceive. Also on the destruction and violence, if it was "BLM" acting against any actual "oppressors" than your perspective (or adaptation of MLK's) might stand. But the prevalence of white troublemakers acting a bit more indiscriminately and then their actions somehow being considered "defensible" doesn't really fit.

I'll try and dig it up - essentially we take the WashPo database and supplement with FBI data and the "best" state and city reporting data. There are issues with much of the analysis done on this topic, almost all due to poor reporting from police departments (as each state has different reporting standards). Therefore how data proxies are selected (used to control for the various factors I described in my previous post) play a large role.

On the second point, I disagree. I don't think it's necessary that BLM be the antagonist party. I take the point that certainly most of looters (both white and black) were not intending to make a symbolic gesture - but again I think focusing on individual motives misses the major point of a systematic problem with police culture.

Is the 22 year old homeless person throwing a rock through a storefront to philosophically create a symbol of defiance against these injustices? No. But you don't see 56 year old bank executives feeling the need to vandalize, either.
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