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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 04:53:01 PM »
I wonder if Sanjeev had such thought before taking his mom to India?

"I would really like to go but, we are going to put up a fair bit of CO2 right into the atmosphere during our trip plus we are going to travel over there and polute their air even more. It won't be good for future generations and even living Indians. We should do our fair share and stay home".

   


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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2020, 10:34:34 AM »
There were several flood control acts that got the ball rolling on building dams and levees in the US. The future of many of the cities, towns, and neighborhoods that are in close proximity to waterways or low lying is going to be a huge political struggle in the years to come. The government run flood insurance program is not self sustaining and people are not paying premiums commiserate with their level of risk. When the flood insurance rates change or maps are redrawn, many properties in flood prone areas will become unsellable with annual premiums in the $6-8k range.

I wonder if Sanjeev had such thought before taking his mom to India?

"I would really like to go but, we are going to put up a fair bit of CO2 right into the atmosphere during our trip plus we are going to travel over there and polute their air even more. It won't be good for future generations and even living Indians. We should do our fair share and stay home".

I would encourage you to travel to Delhi in December. You can see first hand what the US and Europe looked like before they enacted all the free market killing environmental regulations. I promise you will come back a believer in the EPA.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2020, 10:45:37 AM »
There were several flood control acts that got the ball rolling on building dams and levees in the US. The future of many of the cities, towns, and neighborhoods that are in close proximity to waterways or low lying is going to be a huge political struggle in the years to come. The government run flood insurance program is not self sustaining and people are not paying premiums commiserate with their level of risk. When the flood insurance rates change or maps are redrawn, many properties in flood prone areas will become unsellable with annual premiums in the $6-8k range.

I wonder if Sanjeev had such thought before taking his mom to India?

"I would really like to go but, we are going to put up a fair bit of CO2 right into the atmosphere during our trip plus we are going to travel over there and polute their air even more. It won't be good for future generations and even living Indians. We should do our fair share and stay home".

I would encourage you to travel to Delhi in December. You can see first hand what the US and Europe looked like before they enacted all the free market killing environmental regulations. I promise you will come back a believer in the EPA.

This is happening all over the place even in obvious places. My brother in-law bought a fixer-upper for a rental property here in PA. it was relatively close to a flood zone (along a river) that hasn't flooded in 50 years. The property itself has no prior flood damage or history as it sits up on a hill. Well the local township allowed the building to be sold and then where he started renovating it they came in and told him he isn't allowed to renovate the property because this house was going to be re-designated in the flood zone. Basically he had to jump through a million hoops. They apparently didn't want him driving up the value of the home and then claiming it on federal flood insurance if it were to flood. He had to get a lawyer and sue the township because they didn't make this clear before he purchased the property and eventually they came to some legal agreement that he could do what he wants with the property as long as he exempts himself from federal flood insurance. Whole thing still seems shady to me.

A former Geology professor gave me the advice of never purchasing/building a home near water. In the case of my brother in-law I guess he was right.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 12:37:45 PM »
My view on climate change is perfectly summed up by George Carlin in his "Save the planet".

The collective makeup of the modern man doesn't allow for foregoing/reducing current consumption over preserving nature's delicate balance. We don't even know or understand the true impact of reducing diversity of flora/fauna, destroying rain forests, clearing land large scale for sub-urbanization etc. How do you balance immediate consumption/gratification against unknown/non-quantifiable future damage that might happen to generations down the lane?

The economic system is incentivized to maximize growth. The economic house of cards will collapse if we go into prolonged deflation (the unlimited borrowing has to be whittled away by inflation & growth). There is every incentive to wage wars, exploit natural resources to the fullest extent to get the growth game going.

If you look at many of the economic crises that resulted in recessions/depressions, you would notice that we push the envelope until something breaks. If the crisis is as bad as some say it is, then we would never act until it is too late.

I view nature as a beautiful self correcting system that punishes the excesses and then comes to a balance. As George Carlin says, Earth may finally get its fair share of plastics before humans perish altogether.

Why bother if Sun eventually gobbles up Earth in a few billion years?

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 07:22:59 AM »
The biggest ďmoronsĒ involved in the subject of climate change are those who donít believe that our climate is changing. While there may be legitimate debate as to its causes, it only seems logical that manís actions are a contributing factor. If so we should be responsible enough to take whatever reasonable steps we can to diminish the negative effects we have on our climate.

Those who continue to deny the fact that our climate is changing are most likely large city dwellers who rarely venture out into the real world or those who are simply young and naive.

Those that donít think we should take whatever reasonable steps we can to mitigate our adverse effects on climate no doubt have no children or grand children.

Of course there is the odd idiot that thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 08:27:01 AM »
People can say what they want but if you look at their actions there aren't many people who believe in manmade climate change.  You get on an airplane, buy some consumer goods from China, drive to work, heat your home past 15c, etc then you don't really believe in it.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 08:42:19 AM »
People can say what they want but if you look at their actions there aren't many people who believe in manmade climate change.  You get on an airplane, buy some consumer goods from China, drive to work, heat your home past 15c, etc then you don't really believe in it.


And people who smoke "don't really believe" it is bad for their health.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 03:32:55 PM »
ďPeople can say what they want but if you look at their actions there aren't many people who believe in manmade climate change.  You get on an airplane, buy some consumer goods from China, drive to work, heat your home past 15c, etc then you don't really believe in it.Ē

Huh? The logic here escapes me.

Just because someone drove to work, then they donít believe in climate change? But if you walked to work than you do?

If you happened to hit 75 in a 70 zone then you donít believe in any traffic rules?

If you violated one of the 10 commandments so you must be an atheist?

Because someone doesnít personally take extreme measures to combat climate change, it is quite a leap to declare they they donít believe in it.

Since I would guess that you have gotten on an airplane, bought something from China, and heated your home above 15c, than according to how you define it, you donít believe that man has contributed to climate change.

But are you completely, 100%, absolutely sure of that? What if you are wrong?

Since there just might be a possibility that man is contributing to climate change, shouldnít you at least take some minor steps to help reduce the problem? If you donít than I am going to guess that you have no children or grand children because if you did you might feel some responsibility to make at least some attempt to leave them a better world.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2020, 04:47:36 PM »
Cwericb,

The argument here is simply: "Not in my backyard".

What is so hard to understand?

If you can't swallow your own pill, then don't ask others who don't believe in it to do it for you.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 05:05:34 PM »
Id say the culprit in the examples used(not to endorse or give legitimacy to the climate crazies) is more about people being inherently selfish, than it is about climate change. They use the cars and airplanes because they care more about the quality of THEIR lives. But they still believe in climate change. They just expect others to do the heavy lifting.

But all in all, climate change has been a great way for creative individuals to capture their share of federal funding and well intentioned but poorly researched philanthropy dollars. Its basically like space travel or treasure hunting, but with a much wider scope and louder cult.