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Title: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: mattee2264 on November 17, 2020, 02:53:08 AM

 Apparently after the election loss Trump has been in talks with his advisors about a strike on Iran who have apparently continued to quietly pursue its nuclear ambitions while the world was distracted with coronavirus. They advised against it.

 But Trump doesn't seem like the kinda guy to sit quietly for the next three months and help with a smooth handover. So with his election contest failing and no-one willing to give him much credit for the positive vaccine developments it seems logicial he wants his last act to remind people that he got touch on Iran after years of Democrat appeasement. And it was only a year ago that tensions escalated.

 Of course he would stand a much better chance if he'd won the election but he is still President and I imagine that the military are still hawkish and would welcome some action.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rkbabang on November 17, 2020, 06:11:16 AM

 Apparently after the election loss Trump has been in talks with his advisors about a strike on Iran who have apparently continued to quietly pursue its nuclear ambitions while the world was distracted with coronavirus. They advised against it.

 But Trump doesn't seem like the kinda guy to sit quietly for the next three months and help with a smooth handover. So with his election contest failing and no-one willing to give him much credit for the positive vaccine developments it seems logicial he wants his last act to remind people that he got touch on Iran after years of Democrat appeasement. And it was only a year ago that tensions escalated.

 Of course he would stand a much better chance if he'd won the election but he is still President and I imagine that the military are still hawkish and would welcome some action.

Damn, I hope not.  I was actually hoping he'd do something drastic in the opposite direction.  Start a quick and total withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq.  Give a big middle finger to the Pentagon and the deep state.  Maybe pardon Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner, and Ross Ulbricht while he's at it.   He should do something big and unexpected, but not bomb Iran.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Gregmal on November 17, 2020, 06:19:12 AM
Oh yea...pardons are going to be a shit show. Count on that.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Castanza on November 17, 2020, 07:37:34 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-somalia-iraq.html
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rkbabang on November 17, 2020, 07:40:49 AM
I'd be happy if he just did a shit-ton of these types of little things that make a real difference in people's lives.

https://reason.com/2020/11/12/department-of-energy-rolls-back-obamas-dishwasher-restrictions/

Allowing phosphates back in detergents would be a huge one.  My wife and I add Sodium Tripolyphosphate (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PKWSVVX) to the phosphate free detergent in every load of dishes and laundry we run, it makes a huge difference.  Laundry comes clean, stains come out, and dishes are sparkling clear, just like they used to be before the regulations.

And getting rid of gas can regulations that make them not work and spill all over the place would be great too.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: LC on November 17, 2020, 07:47:48 AM
Just dump some lye in your laundry which is less alkaline than TSP.

I canít wait for the algae blooms.

The gas can spouts I agree are nonsense.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Parsad on November 17, 2020, 11:11:00 AM
Just dump some lye in your laundry which is less alkaline than TSP.

I canít wait for the algae blooms.

The gas can spouts I agree are nonsense.

I'd be happy if he just did a shit-ton of these types of little things that make a real difference in people's lives.

https://reason.com/2020/11/12/department-of-energy-rolls-back-obamas-dishwasher-restrictions/

Allowing phosphates back in detergents would be a huge one.  My wife and I add Sodium Tripolyphosphate (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PKWSVVX) to the phosphate free detergent in every load of dishes and laundry we run, it makes a huge difference.  Laundry comes clean, stains come out, and dishes are sparkling clear, just like they used to be before the regulations.

And getting rid of gas can regulations that make them not work and spill all over the place would be great too.

Yeah, these are goofy U.S. laws.  We don't really have these issues here.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rkbabang on November 17, 2020, 11:20:42 AM
Just dump some lye in your laundry which is less alkaline than TSP.

I canít wait for the algae blooms.

The gas can spouts I agree are nonsense.

I'd be happy if he just did a shit-ton of these types of little things that make a real difference in people's lives.

https://reason.com/2020/11/12/department-of-energy-rolls-back-obamas-dishwasher-restrictions/

Allowing phosphates back in detergents would be a huge one.  My wife and I add Sodium Tripolyphosphate (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PKWSVVX) to the phosphate free detergent in every load of dishes and laundry we run, it makes a huge difference.  Laundry comes clean, stains come out, and dishes are sparkling clear, just like they used to be before the regulations.

And getting rid of gas can regulations that make them not work and spill all over the place would be great too.

Yeah, these are goofy U.S. laws.  We don't really have these issues here.  Cheers!


And the 1 gallon toilets too.  I've heard of people smuggling toilets in from Canada.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rb on November 17, 2020, 12:04:57 PM
Lol! I smuggled a toilet from the us into Canada. True story!
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Parsad on November 20, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
Trump Jr. and one of Giuliani's sons have Covid now.  Even though Covid is a liberal hoax perpetrated by baby-eating liberals who fornicate with the devil in pizza outlets.  Science, shmience!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: cubsfan on November 21, 2020, 04:37:27 AM
^ Just remember Parsad - If Republicans get Covid - it's their fault.  IF Democrats get Covid - it's still Republicans fault! Just ask CW!
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: adesigar on November 21, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
^ Just remember Parsad - If Republicans get Covid - it's their fault.  IF Democrats get Covid - it's still Republicans fault! Just ask CW!

Its the Republicans who have a problem believing COVID-19 exists. They are the ones fighting tooth and nail to not wear masks so they can spread the virus around to others. So YES itís the Republicans fault.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 21, 2020, 09:41:35 AM
I hope he does nothing other than troop withdrawals. If he can get troops out of Syria, IRq, Afghanistan it will be very hard for military industrial to get them back in.

I truly believe that "rumor" about a strike on iran from trump is CIA disinformation. Basically a message to Iran, we are doing all we can but this guy is crazy, who knows what will happen if you proceed.

I can only hope that trump and then Biden stay far far away from Iran. Let Israel and Saudi and useless Eu deal with that..

The only way NATO allies will ever pull their weight is if they're scared.  That can only happen if the US pulls back.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: cubsfan on November 21, 2020, 03:33:30 PM
^ That's right. That's the brilliance of Trump. Break a little glass, everyone throws a hissy fit - and then they get in line.

Unpredictability is a HUGE advantage when you are dealing with bullies. They can never predict when you will throw that knockout punch.

Obama was such a pussy, the bad guys walked all over him and made him look like a fool.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: cubsfan on November 21, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
^ Just remember Parsad - If Republicans get Covid - it's their fault.  IF Democrats get Covid - it's still Republicans fault! Just ask CW!

Its the Republicans who have a problem believing COVID-19 exists. They are the ones fighting tooth and nail to not wear masks so they can spread the virus around to others. So YES itís the Republicans fault.

^ You get the "Adam Schiff & Jerry Nadler" Award - BTW, tell me more about how Trump colluded with Russia to fix the 2016 election..
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Gregmal on November 21, 2020, 03:50:44 PM
Some of these fellows are hilarious and worth having around for the amusement factor. Covid literally controls them. And if it doesnt, its a close second to The Donald in terms of what owns their state of mind and well being. Such a bizarre way to live but in America, you're free to do whatever you please...unless you want to go sit down at a bar in NYC and have a cheeseburger and a drink...
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Cardboard on November 21, 2020, 05:47:42 PM
Adesigar can't afford a cheeseburger and a drink in NYC.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: adesigar on November 21, 2020, 10:35:02 PM
^ Just remember Parsad - If Republicans get Covid - it's their fault.  IF Democrats get Covid - it's still Republicans fault! Just ask CW!

Its the Republicans who have a problem believing COVID-19 exists. They are the ones fighting tooth and nail to not wear masks so they can spread the virus around to others. So YES itís the Republicans fault.


^ You get the "Adam Schiff & Jerry Nadler" Award - BTW, tell me more about how Trump colluded with Russia to fix the 2016 election..

Thanks for the award. Better than being a moron cultist.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: adesigar on November 21, 2020, 10:38:10 PM
Adesigar can't afford a cheeseburger and a drink in NYC.

Cardboard

Proving once again that you only care about money not about the lives lost.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Cardboard on November 22, 2020, 04:55:26 AM
No, it only proves that I think you are troll on an investment board.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Gregmal on November 22, 2020, 06:39:46 AM
What are you doing on an investment board if you dont care about money?

But in other news....since "all you care about is money" seems to be the odd little gotcha slogan lately...

-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?
-how many hours have you spent volunteering for a cause LTM?
-how much money have you forgone in pursuit of the greater things in life over the past 5 years?

Feel free not to answer because we know you guys are full of shit, and again I'd probably place a penny or two on my answers to those questions making some of the "you only care about money" folks look pretty moneycentric. I guess its easy to virtue signal and play philanthropist from the basement while breathing through six N95s and holding a Clorox bottle close by while otherwise doing nothing.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Spekulatius on November 22, 2020, 10:52:53 AM
No, it only proves that I think you are troll on an investment board.

Cardboard

Says the guys with 95% of his posts in the politics section.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rkbabang on November 23, 2020, 06:04:30 AM
-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?

The question I always have for big government types is how much extra do you send to your government above and beyond what they say you owe?  When you can choose which causes to support why do you not choose your government?  If taxation is the best way to solve every problem in society shouldn't all of your charitable giving go to the US Treasury?
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 23, 2020, 07:23:17 AM
Perhaps the title could be:  "Could Trump go out with a whine?" 

Hillary called Trump and conceded the day after the election and Obama invited Trump to the White House immediately. And despite that, the Republicans still called the Dems "sore losers".  If they were sore losers, then this makes Trump a whiny pussy crybaby times a billion.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: adesigar on November 23, 2020, 08:28:21 AM
-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?

The question I always have for big government types is how much extra do you send to your government above and beyond what they say you owe?  When you can choose which causes to support why do you not choose your government?  If taxation is the best way to solve every problem in society shouldn't all of your charitable giving go to the US Treasury?

I think we should tax like the Democrats and spend like the Republicans.

My preference is to pay for shipping of containers. Itís a lot easier to collect donations of goods from individuals and Companies in the US and Europe than it is to collect the funds needed for shipping.  Most are headed to Africa. Itís a lot cheaper to ship a container from Spain than from Florida. So look to help with shipping there instead of the US.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 08:46:32 AM
-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?

The question I always have for big government types is how much extra do you send to your government above and beyond what they say you owe?  When you can choose which causes to support why do you not choose your government?  If taxation is the best way to solve every problem in society shouldn't all of your charitable giving go to the US Treasury?

This is a fair criticism I think. I'll give you my opinion - I think it boils down to inflexibility.

Let's say I believe the most important facet of the federal gov't is nuclear energy regulation/oversight (i.e. the Dept of Energy).

If I pay an extra $1 tax to "the government", the vast majority will go to military spending based on the current federal budget. Maybe 3 cents gets to the DOE.

However, I also recognize that getting rid of all government is an even worse situation, because now there is no DOE at all.

So I am at the whim of the federal budget. Now how is the federal budget set? It is proposed by Congress - which is made up of a representative (hah) group of elected officials. In other words, it's a compromise. Because for every LC there is someone else who thinks 99% of tax money should go towards the military.

I think of taxes as the minimum payment that everyone makes as a compromise. Some areas are best served by centralized service that all people contribute towards, I think most can agree with that statement. Which areas are those? How much contribution is needed? Well that is all up for debate and in our democratic republic, Congress holds that debate.

And then above that, there is the option for individuals to donate to specific areas.

In a roundabout way, this is what elections are for. If you want to pay more taxes and have them directed at healthcare (for instance), you can vote for elected officials who share your views.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Castanza on November 23, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?

The question I always have for big government types is how much extra do you send to your government above and beyond what they say you owe?  When you can choose which causes to support why do you not choose your government?  If taxation is the best way to solve every problem in society shouldn't all of your charitable giving go to the US Treasury?

This is a fair criticism I think. I'll give you my opinion - I think it boils down to inflexibility.

Let's say I believe the most important facet of the federal gov't is nuclear energy regulation/oversight (i.e. the Dept of Energy).

If I pay an extra $1 tax to "the government", the vast majority will go to military spending based on the current federal budget. Maybe 3 cents gets to the DOE.

However, I also recognize that getting rid of all government is an even worse situation, because now there is no DOE at all.

So I am at the whim of the federal budget. Now how is the federal budget set? It is proposed by Congress - which is made up of a representative (hah) group of elected officials. In other words, it's a compromise. Because for every LC there is someone else who thinks 99% of tax money should go towards the military.

I think of taxes as the minimum payment that everyone makes as a compromise. Some areas are best served by centralized service that all people contribute towards, I think most can agree with that statement. Which areas are those? How much contribution is needed? Well that is all up for debate and in our democratic republic, Congress holds that debate.

And then above that, there is the option for individuals to donate to specific areas.

In a roundabout way, this is what elections are for. If you want to pay more taxes and have them directed at healthcare (for instance), you can vote for elected officials who share your views.

If we could choose where our taxes go, I would hands down make sure it goes to the shrimp on treadmills program.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: rkbabang on November 23, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
-how much money have you donated to charitable causes LTM?

The question I always have for big government types is how much extra do you send to your government above and beyond what they say you owe?  When you can choose which causes to support why do you not choose your government?  If taxation is the best way to solve every problem in society shouldn't all of your charitable giving go to the US Treasury?

This is a fair criticism I think. I'll give you my opinion - I think it boils down to inflexibility.

Let's say I believe the most important facet of the federal gov't is nuclear energy regulation/oversight (i.e. the Dept of Energy).

If I pay an extra $1 tax to "the government", the vast majority will go to military spending based on the current federal budget. Maybe 3 cents gets to the DOE.

However, I also recognize that getting rid of all government is an even worse situation, because now there is no DOE at all.

So I am at the whim of the federal budget. Now how is the federal budget set? It is proposed by Congress - which is made up of a representative (hah) group of elected officials. In other words, it's a compromise. Because for every LC there is someone else who thinks 99% of tax money should go towards the military.

I think of taxes as the minimum payment that everyone makes as a compromise. Some areas are best served by centralized service that all people contribute towards, I think most can agree with that statement. Which areas are those? How much contribution is needed? Well that is all up for debate and in our democratic republic, Congress holds that debate.

And then above that, there is the option for individuals to donate to specific areas.

In a roundabout way, this is what elections are for. If you want to pay more taxes and have them directed at healthcare (for instance), you can vote for elected officials who share your views.

If we could choose where our taxes go, I would hands down make sure it goes to the shrimp on treadmills program.

Sure but the problem is that it wouldn't be run as efficiently as a private shrimp on treadmill organization would.
Title: Re: Could Trump go out with a bang?
Post by: Gregmal on November 27, 2020, 07:51:05 AM
I agree with Tulsi, Snowden and Assange should get pardons. Make it happen Donny.