Author Topic: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra  (Read 2474 times)

Gregmal

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 04:42:37 PM »
^ Jesus, some of you guys sound straight up deranged. All the talk of conspiracies and brownshirts, concentration camps, politicizing the office, abuse of power, and you guys have hard ons over the thought of attacking this guy through any means necessary and even going after his kids! How embarrassingly ironic. Censorship, attacking political enemies, taking out their families and allies......yea, hooray Democracy!


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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 04:53:45 PM »
^ Jesus, some of you guys sound straight up deranged. All the talk of conspiracies and brownshirts, concentration camps, politicizing the office, abuse of power, and you guys have hard ons over the thought of attacking this guy through any means necessary and even going after his kids! How embarrassingly ironic. Censorship, attacking political enemies, taking out their families and allies......yea, hooray Democracy!

After everything Trump has done, I have no problem wanting to get rid of him like a pariah.  Not unlike Trump supporters and how they treated Obama, Clinton and anyone else who didn't support Trump!

His kids, who he put in their administrative positions, are just as culpable as the father.  If they are good enough to receive those positions through nepotism, then they should share their portion of the blame and responsibility for what happened under their control.  Cheers!   
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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 04:58:54 PM »
Ooooookay then, Mr. Goebbels....we must eradicate him, his children, and all his supporters in the name of democracy!

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 05:10:47 PM »
Parsad, don't worry I think he's going to "go through something" we just have to be patient for a couple of reasons. First, this is one of the largest crime scenes in history and will likely result in more prosecutions than anything I can think of. Second, there is an ongoing threat from the radicalized elements and moving too fast will stoke their loss aversion so moving slowly is not necessarily a bad thing.

At this moment there are still 53 votes left to go, but with already having 9 Republicans to impeach, Don just became the President to have more members of his own party to vote for his impeachment than any other President in US history. I believe the previous record was five for Bill Clinton, but I'm going by memory.

As far as conviction goes in the Senate, if the trial were held tomorrow, I believe we would be surprised to see that more than 3x that number of republicans would vote to convict in the house. If the vote was held in 100 days, my guess is that the number voting to convict would be closer to 100% of Republicans than 50%.

Problem is, I want to make sure Don Jr. and Eric are stripped of wealth, power and influence as well.  Many heads to this orange Hydra!  Cheers!

I wouldnít be so sure about the wealth part. Sure, they may loose their cardboard real estate empire. However think about what they could do if they can monetize the followers that remain. I bet they could get 10 million to pay for access to a Trump Metaverse for $10/ month. Think about alternative reality TV, Trump message apps (Parler reloaded,) branded merchandise, perhaps Porn and online gambling somewhat segregated.

If he plays he cards right, he can monetize his presidency like no one else and this time it would be asset light and probably generate way more cash than his properties ever could.

Yes, that's my biggest concern.  But if we could wipe him out with large civil suits, state investigations and lawsuits, reduced cashflow to existing businesses, it might push the Trump empire and Trump personal into creditor protection or even bankruptcy.  That might limit his ability to get media licenses or even act as an executive/director on corporate boards, etc.  This guy and everything about him has to go!  Cheers!
RICO is pretty powerful, you might be underestimating it's power. It would basically allow the Government to declare the Trump Organization a criminal enterprise and it would be game over. There are actually multiple different cases in different jurisdictions and courts that could yield RICO prosecutions. So there might be multiple bites at the RICO apple.

There are laws against profiting from your crimes, so monetizing his fame might be an issue in that regard in the future.

You are also overlooking the enormous costs of the insurrection, both to the government and to individuals. Many officers were injured. At least three congress people got Covid. Five people were killed on the day of the event. One Capital Police officer committed suicide and one rioter has committed suicide. Each of those instances is a lawsuit waiting to happen and worth millions, maybe even hundreds of millions of dollars. Trump and Trump Jr are at risk of criminal prosecution for the riot. It was announced today that Don Jr is the subject of a criminal investigation regarding the insurrection. The real issue is that civil liability tends to be a much lower bar than establishing criminal guilt. The liability for this event is going to be enormous.

Certainly if Trump is found guilty of anything, I think it will be easier to make the case that he should be on the hook and should not have any immunity from civil liability. The argument in this civil case basically revolves around a standard of care, and it seems pretty obvious that he did not meet the standard of care necessary to avoid personal liability. In fact rather than being protected by his official role in the US Government, the US Government could potentially sue Trump and Don Jr. for the costs of the insurrection. How much they are on the hook for would be proportionally reduced due to others contributions, but it could be found that they were the primary contributors and face significant claims for damages.

Also, don't forget the reason Trump was trying to get the US AG to act as his personal attorney. Some believed  that he was doing that because he already couldn't afford all of his legal fees. Plus his ability to attract and retain decent representation is likely very diminished, in part because everyone will be worried his check won't clear. Alan Dershowitz announced today that he would not participate in Trump's impeachment defense. If the defense, the only lawyer that is currently being discussed is Rudy Giuliani. It is not clear that Rudy will still be a free man by that time because he will likely be a co-conspirator in multiple other cases and they are waiting to charge him. For example check out this little factoid:

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The Trump Administration imposed sanctions on Monday against a group of Ukrainians who helped President Donald Trump and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, collect and spread political dirt on President-elect Joe Biden.

The sanctions were announced by one of Trumpís most loyal cabinet secretaries, Steve Mnuchin of the Treasury Department, and repudiated conspiracy theories that Trump has used to attack his main rival. They also demonstrated Trumpís weakening grip on power in the wake of his incitement of the mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

https://time.com/5928781/u-s-sanctions-giulianis-sources-of-biden-dirt-labels-them-part-of-a-russia-linked-influence-network/

The translation is that two days ago the Trump administration just sanctioned the Ukranians for the crimes that the Senate acquitted Trump of one year ago. Think on that one for a while.

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P.S. I forgot to mention that there are dozens of sexual assault cases he is going to have to deal with, plus libel and slander cases for him and his compatriots.
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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 07:54:51 PM »
LOL, Trump not paying Giuliani. Who would have guessed.
https://fusion.inquirer.com/politics/nation/trump-aides-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-20210114.html

These guys are basically writing a script for a Cohen brothers movie.

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Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani's legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president's behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani's moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election.

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2021, 03:15:30 AM »
Trump has a reputation for not paying his bills.

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2021, 04:52:33 AM »
Haven't been following politics much. Heard about the attack and read trump's speech that allegedly incited the violence. Didn't notice anything? Did you guys read the speech instead of the media about the speech? Clearly what happened is bad. I don't see the inciting. That said, I don't like trump. I like small govt.

I read a NYT article after that and it seemed they just butchered what he said out of context with their "analysis".

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2021, 04:57:52 AM »
^ Jesus, some of you guys sound straight up deranged. All the talk of conspiracies and brownshirts, concentration camps, politicizing the office, abuse of power, and you guys have hard ons over the thought of attacking this guy through any means necessary and even going after his kids! How embarrassingly ironic. Censorship, attacking political enemies, taking out their families and allies......yea, hooray Democracy!

After everything Trump has done, I have no problem wanting to get rid of him like a pariah.  Not unlike Trump supporters and how they treated Obama, Clinton and anyone else who didn't support Trump!

His kids, who he put in their administrative positions, are just as culpable as the father.  If they are good enough to receive those positions through nepotism, then they should share their portion of the blame and responsibility for what happened under their control.  Cheers!

Parsad - don't forget about that little Fuck Baron Trump too - once you have drawn and quartered Trump's body and hung him in the town
square like Mussolini for all to see.  Make sure you get Melania and his little problem child hanging right next to him.

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2021, 05:03:36 AM »
Haven't been following politics much. Heard about the attack and read trump's speech that allegedly incited the violence. Didn't notice anything? Did you guys read the speech instead of the media about the speech? Clearly what happened is bad. I don't see the inciting. That said, I don't like trump. I like small govt.

I read a NYT article after that and it seemed they just butchered what he said out of context with their "analysis".

Flesh - don't be "reasonable" - their is no room for views like yours in the New Democratic Totalitarian Party

That is exactly how it works though.

Say two events happen. The same exact event. In one instance 90% of the news outlets ignore it, or downplay it. They then brand the 10% that report it crazy conspiracy theorists. In the other instance they amplify it by cherry picking photos, and give it some absurdly sensational vocabulary to accompany it. This is essentially what you have here.

Coup, insurrection, etc. Its so laughable. And if thats not enough, they then point to how cohesive the establishment is in condemning it! Oh look at all the Republicans call him out! they say. After holding on for dear life the past 4 years, and even some chameleon like color changing from a bunch of the republicans, the swamp as a whole is now breathing easier and more unified than ever knowing Trump is out, and the Mr. Rogers of the swamp is replacing him.

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Re: Cutting The Heads Off The Hydra
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2021, 07:02:51 AM »
Haven't been following politics much. Heard about the attack and read trump's speech that allegedly incited the violence. Didn't notice anything? Did you guys read the speech instead of the media about the speech? Clearly what happened is bad. I don't see the inciting. That said, I don't like trump. I like small govt.

I read a NYT article after that and it seemed they just butchered what he said out of context with their "analysis".

Flesh - don't be "reasonable" - their is no room for views like yours in the New Democratic Totalitarian Party

That is exactly how it works though.

Say two events happen. The same exact event. In one instance 90% of the news outlets ignore it, or downplay it. They then brand the 10% that report it crazy conspiracy theorists. In the other instance they amplify it by cherry picking photos, and give it some absurdly sensational vocabulary to accompany it. This is essentially what you have here.

Coup, insurrection, etc. Its so laughable. And if thats not enough, they then point to how cohesive the establishment is in condemning it! Oh look at all the Republicans call him out! they say. After holding on for dear life the past 4 years, and even some chameleon like color changing from a bunch of the republicans, the swamp as a whole is now breathing easier and more unified than ever knowing Trump is out, and the Mr. Rogers of the swamp is replacing him.

Case in point, this story doesn't get picked by MSM because it doesn't fit the narrative: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/project-veritas-texas-voter-fraud-ken-paxton/2021/01/13/id/1005517/