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Dalal.Holdings

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 08:41:09 AM »
My uncle is a blue collar welder.  He would be one of your uneducated "white guy" deplorables.  He's probably more intelligent than most of the people here.  He's started multiple business and has done very well for himself.  The class he associates with has been left behind while people swapping pieces of paper on wall street are making a killing.

No doubt this “class” of people have been screwed the most for decades now. Effectively being forced to compete with folks in other countries who will do the work for much less.

There is no easy answer out of the above problem. Globalization does need some checks and liberal economists were wrong and did not see the downside of unchecked globalization or even immigration.

That being said, while Trump spoke to these people, it is very hard to see what tangibly he did in 4 years to actually benefit these people. I get it, they liked him because no one else seemed to even acknowledge their struggles for so long. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump just used that love for his own benefit and produced very little, if anything, of tangible value for these “classes”. Furthermore, he has trampled on many sacred traditions and norms (though the system withstood).

The one Trump legacy may actually be what his Presidency does indirectly to the conversation—now folks are waking up to the actual wants and needs of the “class” that was ignored for so long. If you think the Biden admin or even Harris will be leftist, you are kidding yourself. The Dems did not do well this election cycle (House/Senate). The one thing Trump has done is move the whole conversation rightward.


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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 08:46:20 AM »
President Reagan, in a 1988 Thanksgiving address, decried protectionism and said, “One of the key factors behind our nation’s great prosperity is the open trade policy that allows the American people to freely exchange goods and services with free people around the world.”

https://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan-institute/centers/articles/is-the-gop-still-the-party-of-free-trade/

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2020, 08:50:07 AM »
President Reagan, in a 1988 Thanksgiving address, decried protectionism and said, “One of the key factors behind our nation’s great prosperity is the open trade policy that allows the American people to freely exchange goods and services with free people around the world.”

https://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan-institute/centers/articles/is-the-gop-still-the-party-of-free-trade/

Well, the problem is that the free trade isn't happening with "free people."
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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2020, 08:59:37 AM »
My uncle is a blue collar welder.  He would be one of your uneducated "white guy" deplorables.  He's probably more intelligent than most of the people here.  He's started multiple business and has done very well for himself.  The class he associates with has been left behind while people swapping pieces of paper on wall street are making a killing.

No doubt this “class” of people have been screwed the most for decades now. Effectively being forced to compete with folks in other countries who will do the work for much less.

There is no easy answer out of the above problem. Globalization does need some checks and liberal economists were wrong and did not see the downside of unchecked globalization or even immigration.

That being said, while Trump spoke to these people, it is very hard to see what tangibly he did in 4 years to actually benefit these people. I get it, they liked him because no one else seemed to even acknowledge their struggles for so long. But that doesn’t change the fact that Trump just used that love for his own benefit and produced very little, if anything, of tangible value for these “classes”. Furthermore, he has trampled on many sacred traditions and norms (though the system withstood).

The one Trump legacy may actually be what his Presidency does indirectly to the conversation—now folks are waking up to the actual wants and needs of the “class” that was ignored for so long. If you think the Biden admin or even Harris will be leftist, you are kidding yourself. The Dems did not do well this election cycle (House/Senate). The one thing Trump has done is move the whole conversation rightward.

I agree with all that.  Even folks like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have tapped into this issue, but don't offer good remedies.  People haven't figured out yet that the federal reserve is widening the wealth gap through monetary policy.  Throughout this pandemic the 100 wealthiest in the world have become $1.3T wealthier.

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2020, 09:02:59 AM »
^ Trump did so little for the working class, that thousands upon thousands showed up at his rallies for days on end during the campaign and before.
Since he did "nothing tangible" for them - I guess they are just the clueless working class deplorables with no education.

Dumb shits.

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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2020, 09:20:28 AM »
Those among the top five percent got bigger tax cuts not just in dollar terms but even when measured as a share of their total income.”

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/10-million-american-families-saw-tax-increases-under-trump-tax-cut-aa97d7aee410/

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2020, 09:36:57 AM »
^ Trump did so little for the working class, that thousands upon thousands showed up at his rallies for days on end during the campaign and before.
Since he did "nothing tangible" for them - I guess they are just the clueless working class deplorables with no education.

Dumb shits.

If Trump did so much for the working class in the past 4 years, they should have been working and not able to attend rallies for days on end. 
"Lethargy bordering on sloth remains the cornerstone of our investment style."

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2020, 09:44:22 AM »
^ Trump did so little for the working class, that thousands upon thousands showed up at his rallies for days on end during the campaign and before.
Since he did "nothing tangible" for them - I guess they are just the clueless working class deplorables with no education.

Dumb shits.

If Trump did so much for the working class in the past 4 years, they should have been working and not able to attend rallies for days on end.

Touche' !

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM »
I think its partially in a joking matter, but with some truth to it as well. But I dont think much of the blue collar Trump base had jobs during the pandemic because their skillsets dont mesh with WFH.

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Re: Destroy The GOP!
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2020, 09:48:37 AM »
I think its partially in a joking matter, but with some truth to it as well. But I dont think much of the blue collar Trump base had jobs during the pandemic because their skillsets dont mesh with WFH.

I think it was the opposite.  It was mostly the blue collar work force that allowed everyone else to WFH.  Grocery clerks, truck drivers, plumbers, farmers, etc.