Author Topic: Climate change morons  (Read 1646 times)

cwericb

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2020, 06:31:03 PM »
Gregmal, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I just get a bit tired of so many people taking extreme positions or using serious challenges like climate change to further their personal agendas - eg. the China Hoax. I don’t know the true cause of climate change but like Cardboard said in a comment some time ago, I don’t doubt that man has contributed to the problem.

So if we can personally do a little that might help, than why not?
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2020, 07:22:23 PM »
Forget air travel, you shouldn't even walk on a cement sidewalk if you believe climate change is real.

Cement is the source of about 8% of the world's CO2 emissions.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2020, 09:35:03 PM »
Fundamental error.

I have brought up this point in terms of personal responsibility before. There was a vice documentary a few years ago about sweatshop workers in vietnam, sri lanka, etc. Mostly impoverished, maltreated women. The vice host visits them and asks, "you are so poorly treated and taken advantage of by these companies like nike, old navy, etc. - but yet I see everyone here wearing the reject goods: nike sneakers and old navy clothes. Why don't you boycott, refuse to contribute to it?"

The question is, who bears the brunt of responsibility to affect change? Is it the tradesman trying to earn enough to pay his mortgage, educate his kids; the poor vietnemese seamstress trying to feed her family? Or is it those in government, those in executive roles who make decisions on a tuesday afternoon that affects millions?

Some will say, 'well if nobody buys nike sneakers, they will shut down the sweatshops!' But IMHO this is (frankly) bullshit and ignores the great lesson of the one and only uncle ben: with great power comes great responsibility.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2020, 09:50:18 PM »
Id say the culprit in the examples used(not to endorse or give legitimacy to the climate crazies) is more about people being inherently selfish, than it is about climate change. They use the cars and airplanes because they care more about the quality of THEIR lives. But they still believe in climate change. They just expect others to do the heavy lifting.

But all in all, climate change has been a great way for creative individuals to capture their share of federal funding and well intentioned but poorly researched philanthropy dollars. Its basically like space travel or treasure hunting, but with a much wider scope and louder cult.

Yes. Gregmal gets it. If climate change is this apocalyptic event and if it can be reversed through our actions then why the fuck are the woke people if the world doing nothing at a personal level.

I live in Canada where most of the population wants to lower CO2 but also insists on driving SUV s and going to Mexico in winter.  I can't take it seriously.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2020, 04:07:16 AM »
And look what's happening in Australia - environmentalist created disaster:  no clearing of underbrush for years due to the know it all environmentalists.
Years of fuel sources pile up and now catastrophic wildfires with no end.

These people are idiots.
Alot of that underbrush is drier, almost kindling like, due to warmer weather and less rain every year. 

Drier climate is not a prediction of global warming. Wetter is. Global warming is supposed to produce more absolute humidity (but constant relative humidity) and more rain.  The climate should be more like a rainforest and less like California. In fact high humidity is absolutely necessary to climate models that predict high climate sensitivities to C02 and lots of warming because water vapour is a greenhouse gas that amplifies the effect of C02. So if you argue for drier you are also arguing that global warming is not really that big a deal since the sensitivity to C02 must than be low.

So the brush fires don't prove global warming. They do the opposite. They disprove it. The indicate a drier climate which is not a prediction of Climate Models.

This whole thing is crazy and I guess I'm making the mistake of engaging crazy people. Any alien looking at Earth over the last 1 billion years would note that for most of Earth's history it was ice free and teaming with life. That the ice ages were hugely destructive to life on the planet. It would note that Human civilization rose up only after the ice receded (an interglacial where sea levels rose 120m!) and than it would see that humans had figured out a way to extend the interglacial and perhaps produce an ice free Earth.

At that point it would be thinking: These humans are impressive...they have figured out a way to prolong the interglacial which is conducive to all life on the planet by pumping C02 into the atmosphere. I think they would be confused if they found out there was a political movement to stop this.

We should be trying to pump more C02 into the atmosphere not less. Make the Earth Great Again!
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 05:56:10 AM »
Id say the culprit in the examples used(not to endorse or give legitimacy to the climate crazies) is more about people being inherently selfish, than it is about climate change. They use the cars and airplanes because they care more about the quality of THEIR lives. But they still believe in climate change. They just expect others to do the heavy lifting.

But all in all, climate change has been a great way for creative individuals to capture their share of federal funding and well intentioned but poorly researched philanthropy dollars. Its basically like space travel or treasure hunting, but with a much wider scope and louder cult.

Yes. Gregmal gets it. If climate change is this apocalyptic event and if it can be reversed through our actions then why the fuck are the woke people if the world doing nothing at a personal level.

I live in Canada where most of the population wants to lower CO2 but also insists on driving SUV s and going to Mexico in winter. I can't take it seriously.

You would question the "woke" Al Gore and his predictions??  How dare anyone suggest that Al Gore is a moron, let alone a hypocrite.
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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 06:33:10 AM »
"German Language Police Group Decides To 'UnWord' The Term "Climate Hysteria"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-language-police-group-decides-unword-term-climate-hysteria


It's good they didn't ban term "Climate change morons;D
 
What comes to topic, I think this guy sums it up quite well in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSkNIpNWX0k

Thanks Cb.

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Re: Climate change morons
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2020, 08:07:21 AM »
An environmentalist that gets it? Well, at least partially on what kind of energy generation we need:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w