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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2020, 10:15:04 AM »
If Trump is so concerned about voter fraud and ensuring free and fair elections, why isnt he asking for recounts of states he won as well? If votes for Biden could be fraudulent then  votes for Trump could be fraudulent as well.




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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2020, 10:51:42 AM »
No it won’t - lawsuit in PA also dismissed:
https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1330290872395714564?s=21

So, the hand recount negated the thesis of the voting machines being an issue, what is the next thesis? I just follow lawsuits outcome and the certifications of state elections. Nothing else matters.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #72 on: November 22, 2020, 01:30:29 PM »
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2020, 01:48:14 PM »
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
I'm not a lawyer and even I know that that case won't make it to the supreme court. It won't even make it to the 3rd circuit unfortunately.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2020, 02:08:52 PM »
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

Thatís a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I donít necessarily support it, but itís a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted thatís a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didnít. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they donít have the numbers necessarily to support it. If itís right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I havenít seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they donít have the numbers. In another case, they donít seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I havenít seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.


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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2020, 02:54:55 PM »
Notice that Dershowitz isn't talking about the PA case but vaguely and generally talking about some theories.

In the PA case the only redress that the Trump Campaign asked for is the block the certification of the vote in PA. Once PA certifies on Monday that case becomes moot. Even if the case were to go to the 3rd circuit or the Supreme Court they wouldn't argue the case. They would argue the judge's decision on the motion to dismiss. If they were to win that means that the case goes back to the district court to be argued.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2020, 03:48:51 PM »
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

Thatís a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I donít necessarily support it, but itís a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted thatís a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didnít. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they donít have the numbers necessarily to support it. If itís right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I havenít seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they donít have the numbers. In another case, they donít seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I havenít seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.




Annnd ... Lets just take a quick look at the parts of the quote above that were NOT highlighted...

"The problem with that argument is, they donít have the numbers necessarily to support it."

"So, in one case, they donít have the numbers. In another case, they donít seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I havenít seen it. "
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2020, 04:01:48 PM »
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2020, 05:35:47 PM »
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

ď There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Ē true. They believe this because they were lied to by Trump.

ďUnfortunately, we are looking a lot like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.Ē True again. Trump is doing crazy things.

Below is the latest example of his idiotic behaviour. It would be quite funny... except this is the President of the US...

Giuliani releases statement distancing Trump campaign from lawyer Sidney Powell
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/22/giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-trump-campaign-lawyer-sidney-powell/

The presidentís legal team was thrown into tumult Sunday when two Trump attorneys ó Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis ó released a statement abruptly distancing the campaign from a third attorney, Sidney Powell.

Giuliani, Ellis and Powell all appeared together at a news conference Thursday, when they made a range of baseless accusations about the integrity of the election. Powell, in particular, has lobbed some of the most convoluted claims, alleging a conspiracy that involved ďcommunist money,Ē the late Venezuelan president Hugo ChŠvez and an algorithm favoring Democrats.

ďSidney Powell is practicing law on her own,Ē Giuliani and Ellis said in their statement Sunday. ďShe is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.Ē
Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency

At the start of Thursdayís news conference, Giuliani said he, Ellis, Powell and other attorneys present were ďrepresenting President Trump and weíre representing the Trump campaign.Ē Ellis introduced the group as ďan elite strike force team that is working on behalf of the president and the campaign to make sure that our Constitution is protected.Ē

Two advisers to Trump, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that the president disliked the coverage Powell was receiving from Fox News host Tucker Carlson and others and that several allies had reached out to say she had gone too far. The advisers also said she fought with Giuliani and others in recent days.

ďShe was too crazy even for the president,Ē a campaign official said.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2020, 06:55:21 PM »

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.

I guess the scum in DC was intimidated by her!


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