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Title: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 11, 2020, 07:57:42 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/presidential-election-georgia-announces-a-recount-as-biden-leads.html

MAGA!!!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 11, 2020, 08:09:59 AM
Interesting few developments that should definitely open some eyes.

-the number of MSM people taking jobs with the Biden Administration...particularly at MSNBC

-The effort to lie and bully the PA USPS whistleblower to recant his statement by media and dems. They blatantly lied and then the poor guy tries to let everyone know he never recanted his statement and Twitter and FB block him...GoFundMe steals his money....cant make this stuff up.

-the delayed PFE announcement, CEO stock sales, Biden taking credit, also appointing someone to his covid Taskforce who loves lockdowns and basically wrote an essay on why the at risk and elderly dont matter...

among other things...

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 11, 2020, 08:52:20 AM
Wasn’t this clear from the beginning?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 11, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
Wasn’t this clear from the beginning?

If you are talking about Gregmal's post above yours, then yes, very clear to anyone who was paying attention.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 06:18:42 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/presidential-election-georgia-announces-a-recount-as-biden-leads.html

MAGA!!!

Cardboard

Interesting few developments that should definitely open some eyes.

-the number of MSM people taking jobs with the Biden Administration...particularly at MSNBC

-The effort to lie and bully the PA USPS whistleblower to recant his statement by media and dems. They blatantly lied and then the poor guy tries to let everyone know he never recanted his statement and Twitter and FB block him...GoFundMe steals his money....cant make this stuff up.

-the delayed PFE announcement, CEO stock sales, Biden taking credit, also appointing someone to his covid Taskforce who loves lockdowns and basically wrote an essay on why the at risk and elderly dont matter...

among other things...



Ok, but when the count is over and they certify the results by November 20th...no matter who wins...then you guys can cut out all the conspiracy bullshit...I'll do the same regardless of the results.

Granted, if Georgia turns out to be a Trump win, and the margin is significant, then I'm open to listening to more conspiracy theories.  But if the results are essentially the same as what we have...then you guys stick your theories where the sun don't shine!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 11, 2020, 06:48:48 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 11, 2020, 08:56:34 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 11, 2020, 10:15:53 PM
US politics is approaching Middle East levels of bullshit.

And we're to blame for it
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 10:31:20 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Cardboard, I could be like you and make a big hissy fit about the recount, but notice how I did not. 

Not that I think a recount is necessary, but just to finally shut you up and let you and Trump have your moment.  And at the same time provide a conciliatory gesture that if you are correct, I will accept, and if you are incorrect, you will accept.

Will that happen...after your response, I don't f'in think so...unbelievable is right! 

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 10:32:21 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

Don't bother trying to remind him how it started.  With his dementia, his short-term memory is shot!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 12, 2020, 04:11:20 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 05:33:59 AM
We will never surrender to socialist traitors!
Cardboard

And it's the fight of our lives!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 05:39:50 AM
Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

The only thing wrong with this - very, very little of this was mainstream. Unlike today's Wacko Democratic Party..

Certainly, nothing wrong with wanting to make Obama a 1 term President. What did you expect Republicans to do? Let's re-elect him?
Block a Supreme Court Nominee?  A present to Mr. Obama courtesy of Harry Reid!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 12, 2020, 05:45:48 AM
Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

The only thing wrong with this - very, very little of this was mainstream. Unlike today's Wacko Democratic Party..

Certainly, nothing wrong with wanting to make Obama a 1 term President. What did you expect Republicans to do? Let's re-elect him?
Block a Supreme Court Nominee?  A present to Mr. Obama courtesy of Harry Reid!
very, very little was mainstream? The number 1 cheerleader was elected president.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 12, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard


Tell us more about the paramilitary group you joined.
#LawnandOrder

P.S: you forgot Twitter and CoBF
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard

Quoting that garbage, that mass murdering genocidal manic Winston piece of shit Churchill just means I will ignore your verbal diarrhea permanently.

I will however apologize to garbage and shit for comparing them to Churchill.



Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!

Remember “Lock her up”? 4 years to dig up any proof on Clinton/Biden/you name it. Where is it?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 09:51:00 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

ROFL. Like it says in the image.

“This claim about election fraud is disputed”.

How much more time do Republicans need to manufacture the “evidence”?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 12, 2020, 09:56:59 AM
yes, nothing new about big tech having a dog in the race. Or the advocates taking something concerning and simply going "its fake" and then MSM censoring it....

What is incredible is theres definitely areas here of obvious irregularities. It may or may not be material but its undeniable. If this was an investment company, most people would look at the income statement and immediately see a ton of red flags and irregularities. But because its politics they see it and dont care because right now the end result gives them what "they" want. Another pretty obvious case of those concerned with "election integrity" being hypocrites and frauds.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:03:24 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

About as HUGE as the amount you've donated to Trump's election recount campaign, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Castanza on November 12, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

About as HUGE as the amount you've donated to Trump's election recount campaign, I would imagine.

Why would anyone be against getting it right? Audits are what keep corruption at bay. Having courts look into "things" is the proper process. It's probably false, but making sure it's false takes no issue with me.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
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Why would anyone be against getting it right? Audits are what keep corruption at bay. Having courts look into "things" is the proper process. It's probably false, but making sure it's false takes no issue with me.

Oh I don't disagree - but there is a double standard:

The same logic was extended to the Mueller Investigation but the prevailing criticism from "conservatives" on this forum was totally backwards.

So it's a bit humorous seeing the shoe on the other foot, and how some backwards yokels would rather double-down on conspiracy theories rather than entertain the idea that they may be not-totally-correct.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
Oh and to add to the hilarity - anyone who has been following voting machine progress has seen the various testimonies given before House & Senate over the past 15 years, where experts all give the same message: electric voting machines are vulnerable to hacking and it's imperative to have a full backup of paper ballots.

And to triple down on the what is now a laughingstock of a topic, this very issue was brought before Trump's own Congress in January 2020 where they could have legislated a bill to enforce paper ballots - giving states federal resources and 11 months to prepare. And this is a guy who has been screaming and crying about election results for years now. If you remember, he was asked about it in 2016 as well.

So he had both the motivation and means to ensure a fair, transparent election...but he chose not to.
Well, he can go get bent.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 12, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
It just boggles the mind.

For the past year the President of the United States says his own country's elections would be rigged. The sitting President. How dumb is it for the guy in control of the country to say his own country’s elections are rigged. The guy who WON the last election - was that rigged too? Of course we all know that if Trump had won, the only results he would question would be States where he didn’t win.

He and his die hard followers just can’t understand that someone might vote against him. No one in their right mind could fall for this crap unless they are so far into Trump’s cult that they can’t see reality.

And if that wasn’t enough and with reality setting in, now Trump is again questioning if he can pardon himself. Pardon himself? Why would an innocent person would need a pardon? He is either a crook or he is not.

Innocent people don’t need pardons.

Or is the American justice system crooked as well as American elections?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard

Sir, you are no Churchill!  Maybe a cardboard one.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2020, 02:54:57 PM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!

The Russians know that Trump is too stupid to be an asset!  They use him like a 2-dollar whore from 1870...you know bought him a drink, grabbed his pussy and lied to him about everything while he plays the piano. 

And remind me again exactly what investigation found Hillary Clinton as a colluder with Russia?  Stop playing with lies as if they were the gospel truth!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 12, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard
So much to unpack here.

If one is not a conservative one is a socialist traitor.
If one is not loyal to the leader one is a traitor.
If one is not loyal to the party one is a traitor.
If one is not loyal to the cause one is a traitor.

That is very much identical to North Korea, USSR, Sadam's Iraq or choose your totalitarian place. Only they probably wouldn't use the "socialist" qualifier. Depending on the place it would be replaced with whatever would me convenient there.

Furthermore, in that Churchill speech who they were gonna fight is an enemy lead by a cult of personality. Carboard here is ready to fight for the cult of personality. The irony of it all.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 12, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
Yes. Ironic isn't it. Cardboard is confused again.

It is hard to understand how Trump supporters are not embarrassed by his moronic actions and refusal to admit to a defeat. Biden has won the popular vote by the largest margin since FDR - and thanks to Trump, it is being validated by Trump's demand for recounts.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 14, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
Two Pennsylvania judges throw out half dozen lawsuits filed by Trump.  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/pennsylvania-absentee-ballots-trump-campaign/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: mattee2264 on November 14, 2020, 02:01:08 AM
 
 Audits are meant to keep the system honest but regulatory capture is a big problem. Think of all the frauds perpetuated by massive companies that auditors enabled.

 Election officials aren't going to admit to any irregularities because they'd look bad for not blowing the whistle even if they weren't complicit. Auditors won't want to ruin their relationships with election officials over one election if it makes it harder to get work in future elections. So everyone involved has an incentive to cover everything up. And you can bet that any fraud will be a lot more sophisticated than dodgy ballots and probably does involve technology which seems to be Trump's main line of attack.

 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: stahleyp on November 14, 2020, 03:13:31 AM
As of right now, I'm under the assumption that there are some illegal/invalid ballots but not enough to sway the election. If Georgia's recount proves otherwise (or the software used is corrupt for the counting machines) then I would like a very deep investigation on all of this.

I have no doubt that with the "next Hitler" narrative that some folks would be willing to violate democracy because they just know they're "right."
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 15, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
As of right now, I'm under the assumption that there are some illegal/invalid ballots but not enough to sway the election. If Georgia's recount proves otherwise (or the software used is corrupt for the counting machines) then I would like a very deep investigation on all of this.

I have no doubt that with the "next Hitler" narrative that some folks would be willing to violate democracy because they just know they're "right."

This is exactly it. I don't understand why the Dems are so riled up.  The only way they can possibly lose is if there is fraud. Their margins are too much to be overturned by honest miscounts.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 15, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
I guess repetition is required to "get the message"

Oh and to add to the hilarity - anyone who has been following voting machine progress has seen the various testimonies given before House & Senate over the past 15 years, where experts all give the same message: electric voting machines are vulnerable to hacking and it's imperative to have a full backup of paper ballots.

And to triple down on the what is now a laughingstock of a topic, this very issue was brought before Trump's own Congress in January 2020 where they could have legislated a bill to enforce paper ballots - giving states federal resources and 11 months to prepare. And this is a guy who has been screaming and crying about election results for years now. If you remember, he was asked about it in 2016 as well.

So he had both the motivation and means to ensure a fair, transparent election...but he chose not to.
Well, he can go get bent.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 15, 2020, 11:16:54 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 15, 2020, 01:21:48 PM
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However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?
Yes you are entitled to legal procedures, if your house is broken into. So let's look at the automatic recount laws to see what homes were broken into:

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar said Friday she will not order a recount or a recanvass of statewide election returns in any of the 67 counties, because no candidate was defeated by the slim margin required to trigger a recount — half of 1% or less.

No house was broken into in Pennsylvania

Arizona election law (ARS Title 16) lays out the conditions that must be met to trigger an automatic recount and how that recount will happen. According to the law, a recount is mandated when the difference between the candidates is one-tenth of 1%  (that's 0.1%) or 200 votes, whichever number is smaller. In the case of the presidential election, the threshold for an automatic recount will be 200 votes. As of Thursday morning, President Donald Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden a little more than 11,500 votes.

No break-ins occurred in Arizona

Georgia does not even have automatic recount laws (nor does Nevada), it only allows recounts to be manually requested under a 0.5% differential.

And in Michigan where Trump lost by >100K votes, recounts are only automatic if the margin is 2K votes or less. So again, no break-in.

Now in many of these states it would appear using their own criteria for automatic recounts - no "break in" has even occurred, to continue using your analogy.

Now despite this, In most states a candidate can still manually request a recount. So OK, Trump insists his crack-den home was burglered.

In Georgia where Trump's campaign does have the legal right to request a recount, a recount is being performed.
But which candidate has been crying and moaning on twitter about the Georgia recount?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/526007-trump-rails-against-georgia-recount-process
Poor Trump of course, bitching and moaning that the recount procedure is rigged.

But Georgia law allows the State Election Board to decide the recount procedures:
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/section-21-2-495/

Trump is the one requesting activities above what he is legally entitled to, so I am not sure how you can claim "[The Left] are very one sided in application of law and order".

In Michigan, again where Trump did not reach the threshold for an automatic recount, Trump decides to sue anyways, for which judges have been shooting-down for the past few days:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/trump-drops-ballot-court-challenge-in-arizona-biden-lead-too-big.html

In Michigan, where Biden last week was projected as the winner, a judge declined a request by Trump backers to block the certification of election results in Detroit.


In the Michigan case, the judge rejected allegations by two poll challengers who claimed to have seen irregularities that allowed invalid ballots to be counted.

Timothy Kenny, chief judge of Wayne County Circuit Court in Detroit, said those people “did not have a full understanding” of the vote counting process and their “interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”


By constrast, Biden lost NC by a slimmer margin than Trump lost MI, but Biden is not crying for a recount there.

Of course none of this has stopped conspiracy theorists from screaming from their soap boxes, despite the "standard application of legal procedures" repeatedly stacking up against them.

And yet they have the gall to claim the system is rigged?

Do you see what happens when they are proven wrong AND when the law is resolved against them? Rather than accept it, they contrive an even more fanciful conspiracy.

These people are zealots and can go screw right off.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 15, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Maybe you can enlighten me. Who exactly decides who are the poeple that love America.

While you're at it maybe you can also help me with the definition of a real American as opposed I guess... a fake American and how the decision is done about which is which.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 03:46:19 PM
^ I won't waste my time Rb. I already know what a whack job you are. But enjoy the videos nevertheless.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 15, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
^ I won't waste my time Rb. I already know what a whack job you are. But enjoy the videos nevertheless.
LOL!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 07:58:52 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!

Great - I'm with you and don't know why anyone ignores the truth. It's obvious that BLM and Antifa are trying to destroy America. It's also known that
both organizations collect and fund the Democratic Party - who protects them and will not criticize them - so don't give me that crap about
Joe Biden and his supporters. 

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!

Great - I'm with you and don't know why anyone ignores the truth. It's obvious that BLM and Antifa are trying to destroy America. It's also known that
both organizations collect and fund the Democratic Party - who protects them and will not criticize them - so don't give me that crap about
Joe Biden and his supporters.

Exactly the same could be said about Proud Boys and other extreme right organizations who support the Republican party...who also protect them and will not criticize them.  Sad thing is that the President, who is supposed to represent all constituents, does the same...no President in recent history has done that...so don't give me crap about how all Democrats want to destroy and hate America!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 16, 2020, 02:42:25 AM
"...no President in recent history has done that...so don't give me crap about how all Democrats want to destroy and hate America! "

Who is it really suffering from memory loss? Insulting others, calling fake news and bullshit on everything the opposite view mentions, yelling?

It was mentioned countless times on this website that Obama refusing to denounce BLM violence and their Iran like speech against cops lead to violence. Same with that hateful and anti-semit Omar.

So you were not expecting some fighting back from the other side? At least Trump said in Presidential debate that he did not support them. Not so from Biden when he was asked to do the same.

Cardboard 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 16, 2020, 08:26:26 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 17, 2020, 12:04:28 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.

Peacefully walking, huh?  More conspiracy bullshit from you guys...always only half the facts that support whatever argument you want to make.  The violence started with the Proud Boys.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1328113186747396096?s=21

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1327792933219799045?s=21

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 17, 2020, 06:08:35 AM
^ Oh, was that the Proud Boys beating up the old man on the bike? Terrorizing the family with the 2 little kids? Punching the girl with the flag in the back of the head?

What a joke!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 17, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.

Peacefully walking, huh?  More conspiracy bullshit from you guys...always only half the facts that support whatever argument you want to make.  The violence started with the Proud Boys.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1328113186747396096?s=21

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1327792933219799045?s=21

Cheers!

Those videos show people fighting, not what started the fights.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.

So five days later and Georgia's recount confirms the result. And yet Trump and his cronies are still lambasting the results because it's not the one they want.

To me it seems like your position (which IMHO was weak to begin with) has "aged like milk".
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 08:17:09 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.

So five days later and Georgia's recount confirms the result. And yet Trump and his cronies are still lambasting the results because it's not the one they want.

To me it seems like your position (which IMHO was weak to begin with) has "aged like milk".

My understanding is a recount will not prove or disprove voter\election fraud in Georgia.  There were procedural requirements (laws) violated with the mail in ballot process in Georgia, and recounting ballots without traceability doesn't accomplish anything. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Would you be more specific in terms of what specific law(s) are allegedly being violated?

The reason you are being pressed is because it would be quite a simple task to understand what the allegation is; what the law states; and what evidence exists.

But when you make such generic claims and then refuse to provide detail, it makes me think these claims are baseless. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
As far as a ballot recount, the Trump team wanted signature matching.  This was not possible with most (all?) of the mail in ballots.  It sounds like even if the Georgia governor certifies the results today, the Trump team still thinks they can force a recount throwing out ballots that cannot be validated.

As far as the procedural violations, I'm less clear on the specifics.  I believe it revolves around how the mail in ballots were sent out.  I could be mixing up my states, but I believe in Georgia they were only supposed to send out mail-in ballots if one was requested.

They really seem to think they are going to force another recount.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 20, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
The recount did provide evidence of irregularities.

There were two sets of ballots found that were missed from the original counts.  Each set contained 2000 or more ballots.  They were both weighted heavily toward trump.  I don't see how it is possible that they just forgot to include ballots.  It shows there are no validation controls.

So yes the recount proves my point and we will leave it to the courts to work it out.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.
So you take at face value the word of a bunch of people that are world renowned liars and don't care to look?

Here's an update. What the manual recount proves is that there was no problem with the counting machines. As for the fraud, the Trump legal team is alleging that mostly on twitter and wild pressers. Not in court. Cause, you know, you are fee to lie on twitter and on TV but there are consequences to lying in court. As or right now all of the Trump campaign's lawsuits in Georgia have been dismissed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
How embarrassing

Report from September that 1.1m absentee ballots were requested in Georgia
https://www.ajc.com/politics/absentee-ballots-begin-to-be-mailed-to-georgia-voters/7ACTFMKG3BDZLI7PJXK7E7JYZ4/

A total of 1.3m absentee ballots were cast in total
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/number_of_absentee_ballots_rejected_for_signature_issues_in_the_2020_election_increased_350_from_2018

It must be fraud. There is no way that 200k people requested an absentee ballot in the month leading up to a presidential election during a pandemic.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
So, no free lunch, the first count was not in your favor.

The second count, now done by hand with the entire country watching, also not in your favor.

So rather than apply the legal standard (which you previously claimed you were "just going for", and then received), now you support lawsuits to get a third count.

You paid me a compliment earlier and I appreciate that, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask how you can, in all fairness, take such a position?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 20, 2020, 05:00:16 PM
Looks like all the the Trump election lawsuits  went nowhere. Also, with the Georgia election now certified, the hurdle to fight this result is extremely high:
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ (https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/)

In my opinion, these lawsuits are just a political ploy from Trump to create his own “Dolchstoßlegende” to explain the loss to his hardcore fan base. Got to keep the flame alive, I guess.

It is kind of interesting to see that the critical thinking went out the window here (except for Gregmal) as almost every Trump fan went on the same election fraud groupthink train, despite virtually no evidence.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 20, 2020, 06:00:23 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 20, 2020, 06:22:51 PM
Looks like all the the Trump election lawsuits  went nowhere. Also, with the Georgia election now certified, the hurdle to fight this result is extremely high:
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ (https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/)

In my opinion, these lawsuits are just a political ploy from Trump to create his own “Dolchstoßlegende” to explain the loss to his hardcore fan base. Got to keep the flame alive, I guess.

It is kind of interesting to see that the critical thinking went out the window here (except for Gregmal) as almost every Trump fan went on the same election fraud groupthink train, despite virtually no evidence.

Somebody from Trump's own team said that the President knows he lost the election, but he's trying to make the transition as difficult as allegedly it was for him...not sure what the hell that means!  I remember he was given Security Intelligence Reports immediately, and the Obamas had Trump and Melania over to the White House right away.  Anyways, it's always about this guy...not the truth...not what is in the best interest of the country! 

A decade from now, Trump supporters will be viewed similarly to Internet 1.0...unleashed a new wave of politics, but essentially became irrelevant...and were WAY overvalued?  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
That audit has just been completed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
That audit has just been completed.
Exactly. And they explained why those votes were not counted initially. And the margin was only +495 votes for Trump.

Do you want to audit the audit, now? What happens when those results show Trump lost? Should we audit the auditors of the auditor?

Maybe we should just let Trump count the votes himself and he can tell us what the “right” number is.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 21, 2020, 04:19:02 AM
"Somebody from Trump's own team said that the President knows he lost the election, but he's trying to make the transition as difficult as allegedly it was for him...not sure what the hell that means!"

I read this too on CNN. LOL!

So Parsad, you put more credence to such information with no source than multiple citizens who have sat down and filed an Affidavit under oath and punishable by law as perjury?

If they lied, then the judge can send them to jail and I would support it but, first they must be given due process.

You seem to have changed a lot since Fairfax old days. Brolgaboy vs trying to find the truth.

Cardboard 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 21, 2020, 04:20:17 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-kemp-georgia-recount-election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/?fbclid=IwAR00Zg_ez-6NGMpreSh2LturFz2dAygoQwPmwrkp_dyWIsBUw8tkTN941xg (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-kemp-georgia-recount-election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/?fbclid=IwAR00Zg_ez-6NGMpreSh2LturFz2dAygoQwPmwrkp_dyWIsBUw8tkTN941xg)

So basically, as long as you didn't get caught cheating in the act then it's ok no matter how anomalous the results may be.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 21, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
^ You got Jay Sekulow, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell - their going to expose a lot of shit before this is over.
These 3 are the Democrats worst nightmare - and you have 73M Americans looking for answers on this dirty election.

Biden may be President - but there will be a huge stain on his administration.

I can't wait till they move on to Hunter Biden...
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 21, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
LOL! What would their cause of action be against Hunter Binden?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 21, 2020, 07:48:58 PM
So Parsad, you put more credence to such information with no source than multiple citizens who have sat down and filed an Affidavit under oath and punishable by law as perjury?

Buffett says that he looks for three things in people...intelligence, energy and integrity.  And if they don't have the last one, don't bother with the other two.

I don't know who CNN's source is, but if I had to take Obama's word without an affidavit and Trump's with an affidavit...I would put a hell of a lot more stock in Obama's.

You seem to have changed a lot since Fairfax old days. Brolgaboy vs trying to find the truth.

I haven't changed at all.  Just like I put more stock in Prem's words...and my own analysis of Fairfax...I put more stock in the words of people other than Trump, only because I have done my own analysis of him.   Whereas you take Trump's word without doing any analysis! 

Brolgaboy has more credibility than Trump!  And I couldn't give two f**ks about Brolgaboy!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 21, 2020, 10:01:21 PM
So we're at the point where the CIA provided Hugo Chavez with the technology to overturn the election - which in turn passed it to Dominion for this purpose - and Gov Kemp of Georgia (historically a great ally of the democrats  ::)) and the Georgia Secretary of State (another great democrat  ::)) were bribed by Dominion to implement it in order to swing the election to Joe Biden.

This would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

At this point I'm fairly confident that any day now Fidel Castro will come back from the dead just to stick one up to Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: copelandlewis on November 22, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
If Trump is so concerned about voter fraud and ensuring free and fair elections, why isnt he asking for recounts of states he won as well? If votes for Biden could be fraudulent then  votes for Trump could be fraudulent as well.


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 22, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
No it won’t - lawsuit in PA also dismissed:
https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1330290872395714564?s=21 (https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1330290872395714564?s=21)

So, the hand recount negated the thesis of the voting machines being an issue, what is the next thesis? I just follow lawsuits outcome and the certifications of state elections. Nothing else matters.

Lately, the only thing positive for the Trump Organization are his sons tests results.

#Lawnandorder
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 01:30:29 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
I'm not a lawyer and even I know that that case won't make it to the supreme court. It won't even make it to the 3rd circuit unfortunately.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 02:08:52 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 02:54:55 PM
Notice that Dershowitz isn't talking about the PA case but vaguely and generally talking about some theories.

In the PA case the only redress that the Trump Campaign asked for is the block the certification of the vote in PA. Once PA certifies on Monday that case becomes moot. Even if the case were to go to the 3rd circuit or the Supreme Court they wouldn't argue the case. They would argue the judge's decision on the motion to dismiss. If they were to win that means that the case goes back to the district court to be argued.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.




Annnd ... Lets just take a quick look at the parts of the quote above that were NOT highlighted...

"The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it."

"So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. "
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 04:01:48 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2020, 05:35:47 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

“ There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. ” true. They believe this because they were lied to by Trump.

“Unfortunately, we are looking a lot like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.” True again. Trump is doing crazy things.

Below is the latest example of his idiotic behaviour. It would be quite funny... except this is the President of the US...

Giuliani releases statement distancing Trump campaign from lawyer Sidney Powell
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/22/giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-trump-campaign-lawyer-sidney-powell/

The president’s legal team was thrown into tumult Sunday when two Trump attorneys — Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis — released a statement abruptly distancing the campaign from a third attorney, Sidney Powell.

Giuliani, Ellis and Powell all appeared together at a news conference Thursday, when they made a range of baseless accusations about the integrity of the election. Powell, in particular, has lobbed some of the most convoluted claims, alleging a conspiracy that involved “communist money,” the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez and an algorithm favoring Democrats.

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own,” Giuliani and Ellis said in their statement Sunday. “She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.”
Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency

At the start of Thursday’s news conference, Giuliani said he, Ellis, Powell and other attorneys present were “representing President Trump and we’re representing the Trump campaign.” Ellis introduced the group as “an elite strike force team that is working on behalf of the president and the campaign to make sure that our Constitution is protected.

Two advisers to Trump, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that the president disliked the coverage Powell was receiving from Fox News host Tucker Carlson and others and that several allies had reached out to say she had gone too far. The advisers also said she fought with Giuliani and others in recent days.

She was too crazy even for the president,” a campaign official said.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 22, 2020, 06:55:21 PM

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.

I guess the scum in DC was intimidated by her!


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 22, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:09:51 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

Cubs I pretty well agree with everything you say in this post.

The problem comes in when some people tend to confuse accusations with evidence. But even worse when they see no actual evidence they still believe the accusations.

I would also suggest that Trump does not have a great track record in the truth department. But by all means lay out the actual evidence and let the courts decide. Hopefully the people will side with the courts and not the politicians.

But consider this. The AMOUNT of fraud to make a difference in the election would have to be massive - millions of votes. If it was that massive one would think that it would have to be very, very obvious and pretty darn easy to prove.

And yes, the situation is embarrassing, but not only to the US, but most democratic countries.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 07:11:03 PM
WOW! I said before that this would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic. They're really going hard for that pathetic thing. These may be the most incompetent bunch of people that God ever let through the door. At this point I'm honestly wondering how they manage to get dressed in the morning.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 07:15:53 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.
They are playing it out. That's how it's done. You take your evidence and you go to court. The problem is that the courts are saying that their basis, their evidence, and pretty much everything relating to them is bullshit. At this point I think they lost 34 cases. That's a tremendous amount of cases.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:42:23 PM
The problem is that a certain percentage of the cult believe Trump no matter what the court or anyone else says.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 08:27:00 PM
Yeah. They're usually the bunch that are raving about law and order.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.


Ok Cubs, update. Looks like they filed their appeal to the 3rd circuit. And what do you know, the only thing they're appealing is the judge's decision to amend their complaint. That is the amendment to their amendment to bring it back to the initial complaint (joke!). They are not challenging the judge's ruling that their case has no standing and no merit.

So IF they win the appeal, they will get to go back before the same judge that ruled that their case has no standing, no merit, and that their request for redress is insane and outside the authority of the court.

This is the legal equivalent of: the initial beat down was not enough so we want to go back for seconds. I guess they never get tired of loosing either.

Seriously, who's repping these guys? The law firm of Jalopi, Giuliani & Gambini?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 22, 2020, 11:18:40 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team

No, no...this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-attorney-sidney-powell-after-bizarre-election-claims

Value2 can you stop putting up shit from places even Trump doesn't want to visit!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 22, 2020, 11:21:13 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team

No, no...this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-attorney-sidney-powell-after-bizarre-election-claims

Value2 can you stop putting up shit from places even Trump doesn't want to visit!  Cheers!

I think Cubsfan, Cardboard and Greg's Sidney Powell boners just went limp.  I'm pretty sure Trump is on Viagra, so feel free to use.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 23, 2020, 04:53:51 AM
^ Damn - I can see you boys have been busy trashing me. No problem though. I don't get everything right. I'm pretty firm in my belief that this
was a stolen election, but proving it in a few weeks is a pretty monumental task. Exposing the fraud is vitally important to the country though.

And this time, unlike the last 4 years, when I listen to you jokers try and convince me about "Russian/Trump" collusion, the integrity of the
FBI, Ukrainian Hoaxes, and the "wonderfully woke" Presidency of Barrack Obama - I could be wrong on these details. 4 years of constant
drivel and total BS.

So stick one in your win column  - along with your loser Biden Presidency.  There are a whole lot of gutless people in this
country that are with you on that one. Joe Biden will go down as one of the biggest jokes in American history when he opens his mouth
enough times. Should be real interesting watching him get whipsawed by "The Squad". Taking down the DC Swamp has always been a Herculean task.

If Republicans lose the Senate - there will be hell to pay - if not, gridlock will be a very good thing.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 06:03:02 AM
Yea I don't think Ive ever even commented on Powell but this is just what they do. You say the sky is blue and they go around saying "Trump supporters think the sky is red"...who cares though. With the extinction level event that is covid, and the fact that the US is headed towards becoming a third world country....much more important things to be worried about!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 23, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
Yeah like making investment money hey Greg?

Too bad that LC is down 15% on year. What about the others?

Now we know why they keep on whining against Trump!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 07:54:11 AM
Yeah like making investment money hey Greg?

Too bad that LC is down 15% on year. What about the others?

Now we know why they keep on whining against Trump!

Cardboard

Oh there is no doubt in my mind that you would have relished seeing me lose money this year.

Fortunately for me, once again, you are wrong. In fact I say that comfortably from the new home (paid with from April's profits).

But as we approach Thanksgiving, we should find reason to be grateful for each other. And it's not lost on me that you made progress this year as well. I mean, you're only wishing monetary loss, rather than hoping another forum member gets COVID. Good for you!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
LOL. I can vouch for LC that he was one of the few brave souls here daring to frequent the what are you buying thread as early as March. He's one of the few libs who seems quite rationale on the investment side, so in order to remain credible we must give credit where its do. Cant say the same for everyone though.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 23, 2020, 08:02:51 AM
Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

They allege fraud outside the courtroom but when they go inside the courtroom, they don’t plead fraud and they don’t argue fraud.

- Chris Christie


I speculate that Trump is just looking for a way to cash in -- he would be forgotten if he conceded.  Instead, whip up his base and launch his own right-wing conspiracy media show/network.  He'll make a fortune.  He's not one to care about the ethics of all of this.

Further, he admires Rush Limbaugh (Trump's Freedom Medal winner), who has made a fortune in the same manner. Trump's show would be far more successful IMO than Limbaugh.  Even Pence had his own radio show.  Then there's Bannon.  So much money in right wing conspiracy media.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 08:06:42 AM
And credit to you as well Greg as you were buying as well at that time.

I couldn't believe people were closing positions in March, based purely on rumor. There was zero-to-little-evidence of what COVID was at that point.

I was literally selling just about everything to access leverage (call options) and increase exposure on those same names. And then with Livenation and Cloudflare's movements the past month, my year and probably next year as well is already paid for. My plan now is to ski the snow off of Colorado's mountains.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
To the victors go the spoils as they say.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 23, 2020, 11:44:23 AM
^ Damn - I can see you boys have been busy trashing me. No problem though. I don't get everything right. I'm pretty firm in my belief that this
was a stolen election, but proving it in a few weeks is a pretty monumental task. Exposing the fraud is vitally important to the country though.

Pretty firm in one's believe without any evidence just because crazy lady says so on TV. That how you get Pizzagate level crazy. Also may be an indication that one may be part of a cult.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 23, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
Then LC maybe should stop your endless whining about Trump or you should stop to lie:

"I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?"

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Then LC maybe should stop your endless whining about Trump or you should stop to lie:

"I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?"

Cardboard

 The living embodiment of the facepalm emoji  ;D
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 24, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.


Ok Cubs, update. Looks like they filed their appeal to the 3rd circuit. And what do you know, the only thing they're appealing is the judge's decision to amend their complaint. That is the amendment to their amendment to bring it back to the initial complaint (joke!). They are not challenging the judge's ruling that their case has no standing and no merit.

So IF they win the appeal, they will get to go back before the same judge that ruled that their case has no standing, no merit, and that their request for redress is insane and outside the authority of the court.

This is the legal equivalent of: the initial beat down was not enough so we want to go back for seconds. I guess they never get tired of loosing either.

Seriously, who's repping these guys? The law firm of Jalopi, Giuliani & Gambini?

Ok So the 3rd circuit decision is in. Not only was their appeal denied. They carpet bombed it. I guess now they they are fee to go to the Supreme Court for another serving of whoop-ass.

Quote
It is beyond time for this baseless litigation to come to an end. The District Court properly exercised its discretion in denying leave to amend a second time. That is true for several, independently sufficient reasons: Plaintiffs were on notice but failed to cure pleading deficiencies through their first amendment; their proposed amendment would have reinstated claims that Appellants had abandoned for tactical reasons; leave to amend was sought after the District Court heard oral argument on motions to dismiss the First Amended Complaint and would have substantially prejudiced Appellees; and further amendment would have been futile and resulted in unnecessary delay of this time-sensitive election matter. Accordingly, the district court did not abuse its discretion, and its decision to deny leave to amend should be affirmed.

Quote
The central theory underlying all of Appellants' claims-that election officials counted ballots in violation of state election laws-is not a concrete injury in fact sufficient to confer Article III standing on either the individual voter Appellants or the Trump Campaign. If Appellants' First Amended Complaint is like Frankenstein's Monster, "haphazardly stitched together from...distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent." Slip op. at 11, APP 071, their proposed second amended complaint is Frankenstein's Monster's Monster, randomly re-cobbled together, even more illogical and haphazard than the first.

Quote
5.   Appellants' claims are moot.

That was brutal! Let's summarize:

1. It is hard for this court to tell you all the ways in which you're wrong, but we'll give it a shot.
2. Not only is your case bullshit, you lawyers are incompetent morons.
3. Go away!

I guess it's Dershowitz 0 - guy without a law degree 1  ;D
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 24, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
And as far as FOX news being a reliable source of news ....

“Fox News Settles With Seth Rich's Parents For False Story Claiming Clinton Leaks”

“Numerous U.S. intelligence agencies and Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded it was hackers with ties to Russian spy agencies - not Rich - who were behind the theft of the DNC emails that were posted by Wikileaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. The email disclosures threw Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign off balance. She never fully regained her footing. Even at the time, Democrats attributed the theft to Russian hackers.”

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938545344/fox-news-settles-with-seth-richs-parents-for-false-story-claiming-clinton-leaks
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 24, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
And as far as FOX news being a reliable source of news ....

“Fox News Settles With Seth Rich's Parents For False Story Claiming Clinton Leaks”

“Numerous U.S. intelligence agencies and Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded it was hackers with ties to Russian spy agencies - not Rich - who were behind the theft of the DNC emails that were posted by Wikileaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. The email disclosures threw Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign off balance. She never fully regained her footing. Even at the time, Democrats attributed the theft to Russian hackers.”

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938545344/fox-news-settles-with-seth-richs-parents-for-false-story-claiming-clinton-leaks

Oh interesting.. So now they can join all the lib pubs that paid Sandmann...#thirdworldcountry...#insurmountableproblems!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 04:25:22 AM
https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lin-wood-files-suit-in-ga-beginning-of-the-tsunami-of-evidence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2j7fEpv5Tq8l2TGQ1xrxg7KHb7jHyK-jHZff0AQn0I6w6C8cHF4nK4Sxo (https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lin-wood-files-suit-in-ga-beginning-of-the-tsunami-of-evidence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2j7fEpv5Tq8l2TGQ1xrxg7KHb7jHyK-jHZff0AQn0I6w6C8cHF4nK4Sxo)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 25, 2020, 02:06:20 PM
Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

No doubt - like CW says, the USA is turning into a third world country. I'm amazed they pulled this off.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

No doubt - like CW says, the USA is turning into a third world country. I'm amazed they pulled this off.


If millions of a country’s citizens choose to believe that their country is incapable of holding fair elections, like a some African and South American countries, that in itself certainly tarnishes the country’s image in the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 03:06:37 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 03:15:51 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.

I realize that, but to date nearly everything has been thrown out for lack of evidence, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 25, 2020, 03:42:19 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.
Most affidavits are actually hearsay. Any affidavits that the campaign introduced in court the judges called bullshit and threw them out.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
I guess we'll see what happens.  The entertainment value is off the charts.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 25, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
Swallow this Rb and your claims that judges all reject out of hand:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/pennsylvania-judge-blocks-further-election-certification-steps

Cardboard

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 05:49:14 PM
Saw that, but of the 38 cases have been filed, 26 have been denied, settled or withdrawn so far.  Time will tell - and JRM is probably right about the entertainment value.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 25, 2020, 06:56:59 PM
Swallow this Rb and your claims that judges all reject out of hand:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/pennsylvania-judge-blocks-further-election-certification-steps

Cardboard
Swallow what?

Quote
But McCullough halted the process “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results of the 2020 General Election”
Umm... It doesn't remain any. The vote is certified. What's next? The Republicans are going to try to suspend the outcome of the battle of Franklyn to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect its outcome?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 25, 2020, 09:41:09 PM
Swallow this Rb and your claims that judges all reject out of hand:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/pennsylvania-judge-blocks-further-election-certification-steps

Cardboard
Swallow what?

Quote
But McCullough halted the process “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results of the 2020 General Election”
Umm... It doesn't remain any. The vote is certified. What's next? The Republicans are going to try to suspend the outcome of the battle of Franklyn to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect its outcome?

The crybabies were fine with it while they were still winning on election night.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 26, 2020, 04:52:52 AM
Crybabies?

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/obama-to-cap-tax-preferred-retirement-accts-to-$3mm/120/

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/obama-to-cap-tax-preferred-retirement-accts-to-$3mm/70/

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/a-plea-for-help-from-ericopoly/msg333336/#msg333336

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 26, 2020, 06:06:33 AM
Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

No doubt - like CW says, the USA is turning into a third world country. I'm amazed they pulled this off.


If millions of a country’s citizens choose to believe that their country is incapable of holding fair elections, like a some African and South American countries, that in itself certainly tarnishes the country’s image in the rest of the world.

Finally , you and I agree on something.

This was not a fair election at all. The Dems used the cover of COVID to commit fraud with mail in ballots. It's plain as day. Millions of people know it.
Criminals like Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, etc - will never seen any penalties for spying on a Presidential candidate or thrusting
a hoax on the American people and their political opponents. Gutless Never-Trumpers, like POS Mitt Romney, stand by and look the other way.

At least Trump put it all out there - so it is plain as day to millions of Americans, who are now totally disgusted with the Fake News and DC Swamp.
Now it's unlikely that even the courts will save us.

Seriously, I've never been so ashamed of America and it's political leadership. I've seen this in Chicago politics since I was a young kid - corruption
on a massive scale. You want cynical citizens? -- You'll have them for good now.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 26, 2020, 06:47:53 AM
Crybabies?

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/obama-to-cap-tax-preferred-retirement-accts-to-$3mm/120/

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/obama-to-cap-tax-preferred-retirement-accts-to-$3mm/70/

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/general-discussion/a-plea-for-help-from-ericopoly/msg333336/#msg333336

Cardboard

LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER

Whoohoo!!!!  CRYBABIES!!!

SOOOORRRREEEE.  LOOOOOOZERS!

Hillary Clinton conceded and called Trump the very next day!  Trump is a major pussy!

You are subverting the will of the voters!!!!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 26, 2020, 07:41:51 AM
“The president has had the opportunity to access the courts … if you’ve got the evidence of fraud, present it,”
“The legal team has been a national embarrassment.”
 “As much as I’m a strong Republican – I love my party – it’s the country that has to come first.” 

- Chris Christie


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 26, 2020, 07:55:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&feature=share&from=groupmessage&isappinstalled=0&v=DSDZkXxFVEU
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 26, 2020, 08:04:43 AM
“You have people trying to delegitimize the President-elect of the United States right now,” Kayleigh McEnany, then a CNN contributor, said in November 2016. “You have people out there that are calling for recounts that are unsubstantiated based on no evidence.”

In one instance, Rudy Giuliani, who is today leading the charge to challenge the election results, called protesters against Trump’s election “a bunch of spoiled crybabies,” and added it was “really not the right thing in a democracy.”

https://localnews8.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-officials-mocked-democrats-in-2016-as-sore-losers-for-not-accepting-election-results/
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 26, 2020, 08:09:40 AM
Anyhow, I hope that people will go and read your own posts and realize what kind of individual you are.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 26, 2020, 08:13:24 AM
Anyhow, I hope that people will go and read your own posts and realize what kind of individual you are.

Cardboard

I hope so too.  I hope your efforts to spin others against me are weighed against an honest reading of mine.

Seriously, how mean spirited was that?  I suppose if I continue to post what Cardboard doesn't like I should buckle my seat belt.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 26, 2020, 08:17:03 AM
Katrina Pierson
As the national spokesperson for the Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign and now a senior adviser to his 2020 campaign, Pierson attacked any recount efforts in the 2016 election.

In November 2016, she tweeted, “Recount Ridiculousness! A generation of sore losers whines for a do-over.” On a Fox News appearance in late November 2016, Pierson called a recount effort from Stein “sinister” and “suspect” because Stein was “nowhere close to even winning in any of these states.”


Mercedes Schlapp
Schlapp, who is now a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, said on Fox Business in December 2016 that Democrats couldn’t accept Trump’s victory and were throwing a “tantrum.”
“It’s a fascinating group of these Democrats who can’t seem to realize that it is time to move on. It is time to accept the fact that Trump will be the next President of the United States,” she added. “And one of the key points of stability in our nation… is ensuring that we have a peaceful transition of power. And that at some point, Trump is pushing for this message of unity for all Americans. And unfortunately, the Democrats, they just want to throw a tantrum, which I think is hurtful for their party.”

https://localnews8.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-officials-mocked-democrats-in-2016-as-sore-losers-for-not-accepting-election-results/
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 27, 2020, 12:23:34 AM

Dominion Executive: Trump is not going to win. I made f***ing sure of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_ks_sNITg

Again, no facts...just hearsay...where are the Facebook screenshots?  Where is the actual evidence?  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 04:18:07 AM

Dominion Executive: Trump is not going to win. I made f***ing sure of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_ks_sNITg

Constantly promoting unsubstantiated misinformation seems to be an embarrassing trait of the cult on the far right,
obviously mimicking their leader.

It seems to be what you do when you have no evidence.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 06:16:36 AM
What's truly laughable is the state of denial of some and the inability to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time.  These statements below are easily verifiable and indicate something fraudulent happened.  Just because you didn't catch a robber on video doesn't mean you weren't robbed.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/?fbclid=IwAR0lWA4bVCB24UMr-tty4UYOqZ2M4nO4bnKQGO11szLrbdf-6brTIVWzwe8
 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/?fbclid=IwAR0lWA4bVCB24UMr-tty4UYOqZ2M4nO4bnKQGO11szLrbdf-6brTIVWzwe8)

"Patrick Basham, a pollster with an accurate track record and the director of the Democracy Institute in D.C., highlighted two observations made by fellow colleagues, polling guru Richard Baris of Big Data Poll and Washington Post election analyst Robert Barnes. Baris noted a statistical oddity from 2020’s election returns: “Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia."

Barnes added that in those “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.” In the states that mattered most, so many mail-in ballots poured in for Biden from the cities that he put up record-breaking numbers and overturned state totals that looked like comfortable leads for President Trump."
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 07:05:35 AM
All that article states is a few unprecedented events occurring, such as Biden winning while losing Ohio and Florida.

So when an unprecedented Biden win occurs, it’s fraud.

But when Trump’s equally unprecedented win in 2016 occurs, it’s not fraud?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 07:31:51 AM
Still... where is the proof?

If there was "massive" fraud that would have to reverse millions of votes, the evidence should not be hard to find.

Anyone can make accusations, but where is the proof? Where is the evidence?

If the Democrats are so smart they can 'steal' an election by millions and millions of votes in areas all over the country - and not get caught -  then perhaps they should be running the country if they are that smart?

Do you really think the Democrats are that smart? Think about it.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 27, 2020, 07:34:44 AM
They cried about Russia for 3 years and now they want "proof"....lol
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 27, 2020, 07:36:12 AM
They cried about Russia for 3 years and now they want "proof"....lol

HA :D
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 27, 2020, 07:46:55 AM
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1331680682578501632?s=20

WATCH: Crowd gasps after finding out that a mysterious spike of votes in Pennsylvania had 600,000 votes for Biden and only 3,200 for @realDonaldTrump
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 27, 2020, 07:49:53 AM
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1331680682578501632?s=20

WATCH: Crowd gasps after finding out that a mysterious spike of votes in Pennsylvania had 600,000 votes for Biden and only 3,200 for @realDonaldTrump

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 07:53:18 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 27, 2020, 08:03:39 AM
It doesnt matter what or how much "evidence" comes to the table. We've already seen this before with the clowns. Regardless of what it will be, they'll smear the source as "alt right", denigrate it as "conspiracy theory", and continue on with their same stale and failed narratives that they've been living with for the entire Trump presidency.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 08:04:07 AM
So when an unprecedented Biden win occurs, it’s fraud.

"They allege fraud outside the courtroom but when they go inside the courtroom, they don’t plead fraud and they don’t argue fraud.”

- Chris Christie
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
In a lawsuit filed in Pennsylvania, a judge asked the Trump campaign legal team point-blank whether they were alleging fraud. “To my knowledge at present, no,” the Trump team attorney responded.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/chris-christie-national-embarrassment-155937768.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAIs-0XfvqEF8Qm4bx7WERYovxEk7oh4e7MXUwPpBeUGjgZ-RfMItfczWqFGQCGl9aUuc-r_g7uh6C7o4m-WlXc5qyUG-3x-v7eQ4aYJS3vxhMRRNPT4LikxyuqtDQNvHpU5GAnygqWJI68zhpUJERshsjRi5SakK8cyFimtUvVH
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 08:08:12 AM
What's truly laughable is the state of denial of some and the inability to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time.  These statements below are easily verifiable and indicate something fraudulent happened.  Just because you didn't catch a robber on video doesn't mean you weren't robbed.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/?fbclid=IwAR0lWA4bVCB24UMr-tty4UYOqZ2M4nO4bnKQGO11szLrbdf-6brTIVWzwe8
 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/?fbclid=IwAR0lWA4bVCB24UMr-tty4UYOqZ2M4nO4bnKQGO11szLrbdf-6brTIVWzwe8)

"Patrick Basham, a pollster with an accurate track record and the director of the Democracy Institute in D.C., highlighted two observations made by fellow colleagues, polling guru Richard Baris of Big Data Poll and Washington Post election analyst Robert Barnes. Baris noted a statistical oddity from 2020’s election returns: “Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia."

Barnes added that in those “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.” In the states that mattered most, so many mail-in ballots poured in for Biden from the cities that he put up record-breaking numbers and overturned state totals that looked like comfortable leads for President Trump."

Are the statements so easily verifiable that you actually verified them?

I was surprised that Robert Barnes, a Washington Post reporter, would claim that “big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters".  The ellipses in the quote also caught my eye. 

So I did a search.  I found no record of this quote from Robert Barnes, the WaPo reporter.  But I did find lots of links to Robert Barnes, the full-throated Trumpet attorney / election analyst / pundit.  This Robert Barnes is well-acquainted with "polling guru" Richard Baris quoted above.  In fac they like making videos together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiG2iW0d1Fw

As for the numbers/claims themselves...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/20/fact-check-biden-outperformed-clinton-most-major-metro-areas/6349084002/

What I find laughable is the proposition that  the democrats (or anyone else) could secretly pull off a well-orchestrated election fraud on a scale sufficient to change results.  It would take a stunning level of competence, coordination and secrecy to do so, well beyond any rational person's expectation of either political party.

IMO the role of big tech and MSM censorship is very concerning and warrants a discussion.  All this ballot-related stuff is theatre. 
 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 08:11:58 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

A similar claim was made in 2018 but has been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/broward-county-fraud-voters-votes/
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 08:22:24 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

A similar claim was made in 2018 but has been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/broward-county-fraud-voters-votes/

Haha, then it should be easy to debunk this time, too.  At least you agree (I think) that if the claim is true then it represents election fraud.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 08:29:59 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

A similar claim was made in 2018 but has been debunked.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/broward-county-fraud-voters-votes/

Haha, then it should be easy to debunk this time, too.  At least you agree (I think) that if the claim is true then it represents election fraud.

I look to 3rd party fact checkers like Snopes and the Courts because the Trump team is throwing shit up against the wall at a speed where any reasonable armchair hobbyist cannot keep up.  Hugo Chavez!!!  If there was truth out there to their claims I would expect they'll focus in on that instead of diverting attention away with crazy allegations all over the place..
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
And familiar with Donald's temperament, it is clear to me that he is butthurt for feeling "Delegitimized" by the Dems, and he is casting shade over Biden as revenge.  He is emotionally very immature and yes, he really is putting a tit-for-tat over the good of the country to settle a score.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 08:40:58 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

Are you aware of a phenomenon called “same day registration?”

Also I would encourage you to read the refutation of your claim, as I know you are more interested in the truth and not political talking points:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/23/donald-trump/no-there-have-not-been-more-votes-people-who-voted/

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 09:01:48 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

Are you aware of a phenomenon called “same day registration?”

Also I would encourage you to read the refutation of your claim, as I know you are more interested in the truth and not political talking points:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/23/donald-trump/no-there-have-not-been-more-votes-people-who-voted/

When will we have an accurate number of registered voters to put this claim to bed?  This claim, if true, is very damning.  I don't know why they don't focus in on this vs the Hugo Chavez stuff. 

Looks like not all states allow same day voter registration (including Georgia and Pennsylvania):

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/same-day-registration.aspx (https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/same-day-registration.aspx)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 09:04:51 AM
Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1332352538855747584

I assumed the above couldn't be a correct quote so I was forced to look.  My bad.  I also noticed this retweet gem:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1332346370800447489

Is it really so hard to believe that more people voted for the senior citizen with the less narcissistic form of dementia?

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 09:11:53 AM
More votes cast in a district than registered voters sure seems proof to me.  The fact that this occurred only in big cities in swing states seems suspicious.

I'm not sure what constitutes proof, though.

Are you aware of a phenomenon called “same day registration?”

Also I would encourage you to read the refutation of your claim, as I know you are more interested in the truth and not political talking points:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/23/donald-trump/no-there-have-not-been-more-votes-people-who-voted/

When will we have an accurate number of registered voters to put this claim to bed?  This claim, if true, is very damning.  I don't know why they don't focus in on this vs the Hugo Chavez stuff.

When was the accurate number of registered voters in 2016 released?

Should we recount 2016 votes to uncover potential fraud in States that Hillary lost? In the interest of truth, of course. What about 2012? I have a feeling Obama is behind all this, don’t you?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Viking on November 27, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
What a complete waste of time. This whole thread is becoming even more of a joke. Trump is a serial liar. It is bizarre anyone listens to this ‘crazy uncle’ anymore. His bizarre and destructive behaviour is only getting worse. It will rot your brain given enough time. And now he is a big time loser. This is all about his ego and not wanting to accept he lost the election. That people still tolerate AND SUPPORT and enable this big baby is completely bizarre. Time to snap out of it people.

Time for everyone to move on from this clown act. He is no longer President (come January).

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 09:32:18 AM
Viking is right, but this is hilarious and frankly it's too much fun to see the conservatives take the bait:

“That’s a total farce. Georgia’s probably going to be the first state I’m gonna blow up, and Mr. Kemp and the secretary of state need to go with it because they’re in on the Dominion [Voting Systems] scam with their last-minute purchase or reward of a contract to Dominion of $100 million,” Powell said, suggesting Georgia law enforcement authorities should be investigating alleged financial kickbacks to both officials.

- Sidney Powell

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/22/it-will-be-biblical-sidney-powell-accuses-georgias-gop-governor-of-being-in-on-scam-the-first-state-im-going-to-blow-up-998609
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 09:34:46 AM
You should ask yourselves what it would take to change your mind.  Then you should watch the PA hearing from Wednesday.

This isn't just a lunatic spouting nonsense.  This is hundreds of witnesses providing sworn affidavits.  Some of these witnesses are very credible based on what we've seen so far. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 09:43:57 AM
What evidence would uncover fraud? Hmm, how about a hand count of all the vo—oh wait that’s already been done.

You should ask yourself why you refuse to change your belief in the face of disconfirming evidence.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 09:49:11 AM
I don't think the comments are funny at all.

I think it is sad and scary that people can be duped by a con artist Like Trump. How gullible are people?
 
Once again if there is such "massive fraud" - and spread all over the country, why is it so hard to come up with any real evidence, only accusations primarily made by a guy who is known to be a compulsive liar. Jeez, give your heads a shake.

Trump, despite his efforts to compromize the election, lost fair and square. He simply insulted the intelligence of too many voters.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 09:53:04 AM
Let it be known, to all the land, the consequences for lying under oath in protection of the King's reign:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-11-25/trump-pardons-michael-flynn
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 10:10:14 AM
I don't think the comments are funny at all.

I think it is sad and scary that people can be duped by a con artist Like Trump. How gullible are people?
 
Once again if there is such "massive fraud" - and spread all over the country, why is it so hard to come up with any real evidence, only accusations primarily made by a guy who is known to be a compulsive liar. Jeez, give your heads a shake.

Earlier this week my wife and I watched The Story of Fascism in Europe and it brought a lot of answers.  It's free on Amazon with Amazon PRIME.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 10:13:13 AM
I don't think the comments are funny at all.

I think it is sad and scary that people can be duped by a con artist Like Trump. How gullible are people?
 
Once again if there is such "massive fraud" - and spread all over the country, why is it so hard to come up with any real evidence, only accusations primarily made by a guy who is known to be a compulsive liar. Jeez, give your heads a shake.

Earlier this week my wife and I watched The Story of Fascism in Europe and it brought a lot of answers.  It's free on Amazon with Amazon PRIME.

I have also advised people here to read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" 

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 10:17:16 AM
What evidence would uncover fraud? Hmm, how about a hand count of all the vo—oh wait that’s already been done.

You should ask yourself why you refuse to change your belief in the face of disconfirming evidence.

So you're saying that I could be wrong?  Wow, I hadn't even considered that possibility.  You mean to tell me that my world view and mental models may make it impossible to see the truth right in front of me?

I would rather be wrong for the right reasons than right for the wrong reasons, in investing and in life.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 10:21:31 AM
I don't think the comments are funny at all.

I think it is sad and scary that people can be duped by a con artist Like Trump. How gullible are people?
 
Once again if there is such "massive fraud" - and spread all over the country, why is it so hard to come up with any real evidence, only accusations primarily made by a guy who is known to be a compulsive liar. Jeez, give your heads a shake.

Earlier this week my wife and I watched The Story of Fascism in Europe and it brought a lot of answers.  It's free on Amazon with Amazon PRIME.

I have also advised people here to read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" 

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

It's the video clips of Mussolini's oratory style that really hit home for us.  He looks like a complete pompous ass but look at how they love him so!  The way he works the crowd is very Trumpian.  The facial expressions, language, gesticulations.  So true.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Castanza on November 27, 2020, 10:27:27 AM
The only thing anyone on this thread should be saying is “Let’s see”

The investigation isn’t even over and there seems to be evidence on both sides.

Look past the noise of Trump screaming and the Democrats screaming. Let’s see what the courts find. There are respectable people on both sides which make some valid points. There are also many of alarming statement and opinions on both sides which should give everyone pause.

Patience

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 10:42:43 AM
What evidence, Castanza?

In one hand there is a full recount of one of the most contested states which concluded zero fraud.

What does the other hand hold?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
It will take a long time to come to the conclusion that one has been duped for 4 years by a con man.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Especially when Trump holds such power over the news content that the typical conservative consumes:

When Trump didn't like such things as Fox News calling the Arizona race for Biden, and later the national race for Biden, he told Fox's viewers to switch to Trump's buddy's network NewsMax:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article247314829.html

That's the state of conservative news outlets.  Trump retaliates and move their viewers over to other news networks.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 11:04:24 AM
What evidence, Castanza?

In one hand there is a full recount of one of the most contested states which concluded zero fraud.

What does the other hand hold?

Could you help me understand how a recount addresses a potential over-vote using mail-in ballots?  Georgia doesn't have same-day registration, either.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 11:24:08 AM
You are putting the cart before the horse and asking me to show you why nothing is moving.

Was there an “over vote” (eg. more votes compared to registered voters) in Georgia, or not?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 11:48:09 AM
The only thing anyone on this thread should be saying is “Let’s see”

The investigation isn’t even over and there seems to be evidence on both sides.

Look past the noise of Trump screaming and the Democrats screaming. Let’s see what the courts find. There are respectable people on both sides which make some valid points. There are also many of alarming statement and opinions on both sides which should give everyone pause.

Patience

Trump & surrogates have lost their lawsuits 38-1.  Today's 3rd circuit affirmation of the Penn district ruling was unequivocal.  Read it here:

https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf

These are conservative judges, some of whom Trump himself appointed, who he & team are now accusing of being "judicial activists", corrupt etc.  Madness.

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 11:48:43 AM
That is one of the claims.  Among other things, in Georgia they are claiming that over 20,000 ballots were cast by people who do not currently live in the state (as of election day).  Seems like that would be an easy thing to straighten out. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 12:17:40 PM
That is one of the claims.  Among other things, in Georgia they are claiming that over 20,000 ballots were cast by people who do not currently live in the state (as of election day).  Seems like that would be an easy thing to straighten out.

"They" are claiming? Who are "they"? Are "they" creditable people? Can "they" prove anything? Are "they" independent witnesses?

"they are claiming..."  I can CLAIM that I flew to moon earlier today. It is just BS unless there is irrefutable evidence.

That seems to be the problem that people can't seem to come to grips with. Trump and his minions are proven liars, why would anyone believe their outrageous allegations after all the lies they have told?

Trump was claiming the election was rigged long before the election even took place.
How did he know that?
If that was true don't you think that the President and the whole US government administration wouldn't have done something to prevent it?
Also do you know that the US election was witnessed by independent witnesses from other countries?

If there was ANY real evidence do you not think it would have been presented in court by now??

If I say "I know that JRM was a participant in fixing the election, someone saw him pick out 20,000 votes - just the ones for Biden - and he took them out back and burned. Does that make it true?

 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 12:19:59 PM
A federal appeals court on Friday denied the Trump campaign's effort to revive a federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania, ruling "the claims have no merit."

A panel of three judges for the Third Circuit Court of Appeals denied the request by the Trump campaign, led by Rudy Giuliani, to amend its lawsuit, which had been previously rejected.

"The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter," wrote Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee, for the panel. "It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile."
"Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here," the judges added in their opinion.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit-appeal/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 27, 2020, 12:21:25 PM
Quote
That is one of the claims.  Among other things, in Georgia they are claiming that over 20,000 ballots were cast by people who do not currently live in the state (as of election day).  Seems like that would be an easy thing to straighten out.

Well give me a damn break. This is the second time I've given you the benefit of the doubt to your assertions of voter fraud "evidence" and you fall back to "well that's just the claim and it would be so easy to disprove"

Well in fact it is incredibly easy to disprove. It's so damn easy that I've already done it for you, again, here:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/full-recount-by-hand-it-will-be/msg439734/#msg439734

As of November 1 2020 there were 7.23MM registered voters in Georgia
If you recall based on the hand recount there were about 5MM votes cast, in Georgia.

At the risk of now having to explain the most basic of mathematics, 7M > 5M, therefore claims of "over-voting" are total nonsense and your reputation as a troll is becoming crystallized.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
Trump continues to hold a grudge against those who he claims undercut his election by pointing to Russian interference efforts, and he has suggested it is fair game to not recognize Joe Biden as the President-elect, even though Clinton conceded on election night in 2016 and the Trump transition was able to begin immediately.

Trump told ally he's trying to get back at Democrats for questioning legitimacy of his own election

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/trump-democrats-election/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
It is really frightening to hear all these claims by Trump followers. Can that many people be that gullible? What ever happened common sense? Just more evidence that his followers are part of a cult.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 27, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
Im really going to miss all the crying once Trump is gone. Highly amusing. Anyone got a current covid case count for the day? I need something to get hysterical about as the extinction level event continues to take shape.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 12:40:58 PM
Im really going to miss all the crying once Trump is gone. Highly amusing. Anyone got a current covid case count for the day? I need something to get hysterical about as the extinction level event continues to take shape.

Well stick around since it seems that a lot of people still think the election was fixed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 27, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Nothing new. Thats been the case since 2016...
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 27, 2020, 12:45:19 PM
Quote
That is one of the claims.  Among other things, in Georgia they are claiming that over 20,000 ballots were cast by people who do not currently live in the state (as of election day).  Seems like that would be an easy thing to straighten out.

Well give me a damn break. This is the second time I've given you the benefit of the doubt to your assertions of voter fraud "evidence" and you fall back to "well that's just the claim and it would be so easy to disprove"

Well in fact it is incredibly easy to disprove. It's so damn easy that I've already done it for you, again, here:

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/full-recount-by-hand-it-will-be/msg439734/#msg439734

As of November 1 2020 there were 7.23MM registered voters in Georgia
If you recall based on the hand recount there were about 5MM votes cast, in Georgia.

At the risk of now having to explain the most basic of mathematics, 7M > 5M, therefore claims of "over-voting" are total nonsense and your reputation as a troll is becoming crystallized.

Take a deep breath buddy.  Everything is going to be ok.  I'm sorry for mis-use of the term over-vote. 

I'm sure you guys have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 01:04:06 PM


I'm sure you guys have nothing to worry about.

Well this is certainly true.  Reading the actual court filings makes it clear that this is a nothing-burger from a legal standpoint. 

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 01:10:39 PM
Nothing new. Thats been the case since 2016...

Haha. Yup. Wouldn't one think it would be almost physically impossible to fix a vote in the US and get away with it. I mean, sure you could influence the vote, and there will always be a certain amount of hanky panky in voting, but fixing a national presidential election - and getting away with it - would seem to be next to be rather difficult. I think that if Trump could have fixed it and gotten away with it he would have.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 27, 2020, 05:54:59 PM
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629

From Senate of Pennsylvania...
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 06:08:07 PM
You should ask yourselves what it would take to change your mind.  Then you should watch the PA hearing from Wednesday.

This isn't just a lunatic spouting nonsense.  This is hundreds of witnesses providing sworn affidavits.  Some of these witnesses are very credible based on what we've seen so far.

The hearings are led by a lunatic spouting nonsense, namely PA state senator Doug Mastriano, whose Twitter feed is full of outright lies. 

One of the latest:   https://twitter.com/SenMastriano/status/1332398733401591808

Completely debunked:   https://twitter.com/Elaijuh/status/1332471229618532357

This is confirmation bias writ large.  I don't think I've ever seen a more powerful example.  Out of curiosity I read through some of the affidavits submitted by Republican poll watchers (attached to complaints filed in MI and GA).  They run the gamut from simple misunderstandings of standard practice to wild conspiracy theories.   But I get the sense that most of the affiants themselves truly believe what they witnessed is fraud -- i.e they're not lying, they're just connecting dots that shouldn't be joined.

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 27, 2020, 06:17:24 PM
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629

From Senate of Pennsylvania...

I see the good senator has debased himself further.  Again, this is a guy who either couldn't "get to the bottom" of a numerical mystery that Chet could have solved without the Hardy Boys, or (more likely) he didn't bother looking into it at all.

Amazing what people will do in the quest for attention + power. 

This piece of theatre will go nowhere, obviously.



Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: abyli on November 27, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm?chamber=S&SPick=20190&cosponId=32629

From Senate of Pennsylvania...

I see the good senator has debased himself further.  Again, this is a guy who either couldn't "get to the bottom" of a numerical mystery that Chet could have solved without the Hardy Boys, or (more likely) he didn't bother looking into it at all.

Amazing what people will do in the quest for attention + power. 

This piece of theatre will go nowhere, obviously.

How about this one?

https://twitter.com/DrSamGirgis/status/1332420490879709184

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 27, 2020, 06:56:56 PM
It is all lies Abyli, there is no evidence, nothing to see.

The media acts just like Goebbels by citing no evidence:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Cardboard

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 27, 2020, 07:19:59 PM
Cardboard’s Goebbel’s quote accurately describes Trump’s game plan when he quotes ...
 “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
And that is exactly what Trump has done.

But one really has to wonder about some of Trump’s supporters thought processes. Trump spent weeks, if not months, telling his cult NOT to mail in their votes. Mail in votes were counted AFTER in-person votes. Then Trump makes wild accusations because the majority of mail in votes were for Biden. DUH.

Trump is a compulsive liar. That’s not my opinion, but a fact he has proven himself. Yet his cult firmly believes that the election was “rigged” simply because Trump says so. (see Goebbel's quote above) This, despite the fact there is not one iota of proof. It is dangerous to democracy when so many people can so easily be duped.

I am NOT saying ALL of his supporters are like this, but it is very sobering to see that so many believe these delusional allegations without a shred of proof.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 07:56:00 PM
But one really has to wonder about some of Trump’s supporters thought processes. Trump spent weeks, if not months, telling his cult NOT to mail in their votes.

GOP secretary of state: Trump "would have won" Georgia, but he “suppressed” Republican mail-in votes

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/18/gop-secretary-of-state-trump-would-have-won-georgia-but-he-suppressed-republican-mail-in-votes/
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 27, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
a Newsmax story that said his supporters are considering an election boycott in Georgia over fraud claims.


Yes!!!!!  Trump! Trump! Trump!  Do it again, do it again!  Ha ha.


Will Trump suppress GOP voters for a second time in Georgia?

the President's relentless attacks on the state's voting apparatus, its tabulating process and its Republican secretary of state are prompting handwringing among GOP strategists and state leaders who fear those attacks are eroding confidence in elections at a time when they need to turn out as many of their voters as possible to reelect Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue on January 5 and hold onto their firewall against a Democrat-controlled House and White House.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/politics/donald-trump-election-georgia-runoffs/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Mephistopheles on November 27, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
I haven't posted here in a while but boy has this politics section turned full blown conspiracy theory, what an embarrassment for a community of value investors. Luckily for supporters of Trump, he should be able to win the election by exposing the massive voter fraud in all the swing states that he lost.

With the sort of evidence being shared here, I am sure he will win all if not most of the 50+ lawsuits he has filed in State and Federal Courts (which are adjudicated in majority by Republican judges)

Ok fine he's losing like 1-38 in the Courts thus far but that unfairly includes all the Federalist Society judges that are in on the conspiracy!

This from the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals unanimous opinion, written by...a Trump appointee, Judge Bibas:

"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 28, 2020, 06:17:42 AM
Aha Mephistopheles, but who are you to question the glorious leader of the cult for they have partaken in the drinking of the KoolAid?

And yes it is embarrassing to think that reasonably intelligent people on this board can be sucked in by Trump's lies - not to mention the millions in the country who also believe this nonsense of a rigged election simply because Trump told said so.

The fact that so many people in the country are so susceptible to the words of a man who is world renown for his lies - a former game show host with a questionable business background and obvious mental issues, then it does not bode well for the future of democracy in the USA.

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
The state legislatures are the next stop on the Sore Losers Tour:

Giuliani’s strategy appears to already have some traction in Pennsylvania, where state Sen. Doug Mastriano said half of the leadership in both houses of the General Assembly, both controlled by Republicans, support the efforts to reclaim their authority to appoint electors to the Electoral College.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/giuliani-state-legislatures-lawsuits/2020/11/27/id/999063/


Pa. GOP Legislature Leaders: We Won't Interfere in Electoral College

"To insinuate otherwise is to inappropriately set fear into the Pennsylvania electorate with an imaginary scenario not provided for anywhere in law — or in fact," Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman, R-Benner Township, and House Majority Leader Kerry Beninghoff, R-Bellefonte, wrote for the Centre Daily Times in State College, PA.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pennsylvania-election-assembly-electors/2020/11/10/id/996288/

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 07:49:20 AM
This tactic continued when Fox and all the other major networks called the election for President-elect Biden on November 7. Newsmax insisted that the race wasn't over and that the major networks were acting irresponsibly, when in fact Newsmax was the irrational actor. A subset of the Fox audience flocked to Newsmax for shows that hyped voter fraud allegations and harangued the rest of the media.
Greg Kelly, the 7 p.m. host on Newsmax, was the biggest beneficiary: His show averaged 80,000 viewers in the run-up to election day and topped 800,000 on the first weekday after Biden was projected as president-elect.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/25/media/fox-news-newsmax/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 08:31:11 AM
McMaster also blasted as “very corrosive” Trump’s effort to litigate his way to an election victory.

“What concerns me is that the president's kind of playing into the hands of our adversaries,” he said. “

“We should be confident” in our election security, he added.

“I think it was just a travesty to fire [the administration’s cyber security chief] Chris Krebs, because really what the administration should have done is taken credit for the vast improvements that the Trump administration made in our election security since 2016,” he said.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mcmaster-afghanistan-trump-obama/2020/11/22/id/998234/
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 28, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
The recount in winconsin and Georgia have been completed. Wisconsin did not uncover any fraud evidence that I'm aware of. Georgia was a bit funny but when coupled with a clean Wisconsin its harder to make the fraud charge.  I think it's over.

Go and celebrate lefties. Enjoy the great reset.  Just don't complain to the right when your wealth gets looted.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 09:09:01 AM
Georgia was a bit funny

Georgia was indeed a bit funny and let's keep that alive long enough to suppress the GOP vote in Georgia's second election on January 5th.

One wonders if Trump would have won Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania too if he hadn't suppressed his own votes.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 28, 2020, 09:14:57 AM
So you are advocating voter fraud?  Shows what you are.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 09:27:57 AM
So you are advocating voter fraud?  Shows what you are.

Are you saying what Trump is doing is voter fraud?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: doc75 on November 28, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
So you are advocating voter fraud?  Shows what you are.

You've misconstrued his meaning, likely because you've made assumptions about "what he is".
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 09:36:36 AM
If we conspire to all just remain silent and let Trump wreck this next election for the GOP with his false "it's rigged" claims, that's not voter fraud.  It's letting Trump hang himself with his own rope yet again.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 10:04:08 AM
The missing votes have been located:

Trump-Funded Recount Turns Up More Votes for Biden Ahead of Wisconsin Certification

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-funded-recount-shows-more-biden-voters-wisconsin-1550932
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 11:16:17 AM
California Republicans Defend Drop Boxes: If Democrats Can Do ‘Ballot Harvesting,’ So Can We

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/13/california-republicans-defend-drop-boxes-if-democrats-can-do-ballot-harvesting-so-can-we-election/

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 28, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
"We've got pictures of the check stubs paid to people to ballot harvest."

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1332428675392868358
So where are they?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 28, 2020, 11:44:19 AM
"We've got pictures of the check stubs paid to people to ballot harvest."

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1332428675392868358
So where are they?

It isn't illegal to ballot harvest.  They said they were fine with legal voting.  I guess not.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 28, 2020, 02:43:07 PM
"We've got pictures of the check stubs paid to people to ballot harvest."

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1332428675392868358
So where are they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTb1JfJ6PdA
I meant the stubs. Not your spank bank.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 02, 2020, 12:25:41 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voter-group-founded-by-stacey-abrams-under-investigation-seeking-out-of-state-dead (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voter-group-founded-by-stacey-abrams-under-investigation-seeking-out-of-state-dead)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 03, 2020, 01:21:58 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cctv-video-georgia-poll-workers-sparks-election-fraud-outrage)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 03:38:23 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-gov-kemp-calls-signature-audit-after-cctv-footage-late-night-ballot-malarkey (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-gov-kemp-calls-signature-audit-after-cctv-footage-late-night-ballot-malarkey)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brian-kemp-georgia-brad-raffensperger-signature-audit (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brian-kemp-georgia-brad-raffensperger-signature-audit)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on December 04, 2020, 04:07:52 AM
Only need one of these States to redo the audit properly, then we will know if the election was hacked or not?

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 04:18:38 AM
Georgia is huge for multiple reasons.  The senate republicans need to fall in line with Trump here and support a signature matching recount.  If they continue to interfere then they will not be re-elected in the runoff.  If Biden still wins after a proper recount, then so be it.  That's all people are asking for.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Castanza on December 04, 2020, 06:12:41 AM
How can ANYONE not watch that video and say lets look into it? There has been other CCTV footage of other things which has been completely false and easily explainable. This one, not so much. Given the margin of victory in Georgia I say look into it. If people want to "heal" the country, then finish the investigation.

Questions that come to mind immediately.

1. Why were Republican observers told to leave when others stayed behind?
2. Why did they continue to count with no observers?
3. Who put those ballots there?
4. Why were they stored in suitcases?
5. Why was the media (all media) reporting a pipe burst that had to halt vote counting?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on December 04, 2020, 06:34:52 AM
Yup, simple answers: They cheated. Everyone one knows it.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 04, 2020, 06:47:02 AM
Meanwhile, CNN is more concerned about reporting what President-Elect Biden is having for lunch as the wheels are falling off the short bus in Georgia.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on December 04, 2020, 06:56:03 AM
Its ok. In a few months things will calm down. The biggest events in the news will be Biden's WH dinner at 4:15pm prompt. Stories about the nature and derivative of his 5:15 glass of warm milk, and then confirmation he got to bed on time at 6:30!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 10, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
There's an old saying in baseball that says "it ain't cheating unless you get caught."  Well, you got caught:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-coffee-county-georgia-dominion-system-video (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-coffee-county-georgia-dominion-system-video)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 10, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
"[Trump] can't handle the concept of the label 'loser,' " Haberman says. "He has never before encountered a problem that he couldn't sue away through the court system or spin away. ... This is just an objective fact that he can't do anything about. It is roiling him."

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/10/944935318/it-is-roiling-him-nyts-maggie-haberman-unpacks-trumps-refusal-to-admit-he-lost


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 10, 2020, 07:20:38 PM
The first listed complaint is that thousands of felons voted in Georgia.  Well, of course they did.  So?  And your point would be?

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 11, 2020, 04:22:43 AM
According to a google search:

You have to register to vote before Election Day in Georgia.

To register in Georgia you must:
be a citizen of the United States
be a legal resident of Georgia and of the county in which you want to vote
be 18 years old within six months after the day of registration, and be 18 years old to vote
not be serving a sentence for conviction of a felony involving moral turpitude
not have been judicially determined to be mentally incompetent, unless the disability has been removed
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 11, 2020, 06:41:37 AM
To register in Georgia you must:

not be serving a sentence for conviction of a felony involving moral turpitude

Thousands of felons are therefore both legally registering to vote and also voting legally in Georgia.  Trump's got a problem with that?  You know what else?  he lost.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 17, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
 https://www.newsmax.com/politics/georgia-secretary-raffensperger-signature/2020/12/17/id/1002101/ (https://www.newsmax.com/politics/georgia-secretary-raffensperger-signature/2020/12/17/id/1002101/)

Sounds like it will be a random sample and not a complete audit.  Should be sufficient in Fulton County.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on December 17, 2020, 03:31:26 PM
Will be interesting to see how the whole foster fraud allegations play into the senate race in GA. Usually in a runoff race like this favors the Republican candidate (I think because voter participation bias), but in this case, the the fraud allegations could well backfire (tell people it’s all fraud, So why vote?) and then the Dems have the Senate too.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 22, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
William Ligin, Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee in Georgia:

http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF?fbclid=IwAR0wWJXOoxSkhoYz7bSSGvzGBg3Sqabjcnrn38lDhlcVmruNQ5vKhPMhZHM (http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF?fbclid=IwAR0wWJXOoxSkhoYz7bSSGvzGBg3Sqabjcnrn38lDhlcVmruNQ5vKhPMhZHM)

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 22, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
the fraud allegations could well backfire (tell people it’s all fraud, So why vote?)

That's perhaps why Trump lost in the first place.  Haha.

But for the runoff, the conservative alternative facts media outlets have been telling their viewers that it's all BS because they don't want to face legal penalties for misleading their viewers about the voting technology firms:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/media/newsmax-clarification/index.html

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on December 22, 2020, 08:19:13 AM
The whole thing is crazy.  Alternative facts for people too weak to face reality.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 22, 2020, 08:19:54 AM
You're a fast reader.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on December 22, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
Yes I see FOX had to back off repeating the nonsense about Dominion Voting Machines as there was no proof. As a Canadian company, Dominion seem to be able handle our elections okay. We may not all like the results mind you, but when we lose an election we don't blame it on the voting machines. Then of course it could be a Canadian plot to take over the United States and make it a province.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 22, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
Not just Fox, but Newsmax too. Turns out the only thing that will get such “journalists” to care about the truth is the risk of monetary damage:

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1341078245878472706?s=20
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on December 22, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
Well, from the report JRM posted...

" The Subcommittee learned that the history and control of the company that owns the Dominion voting system is unclear and provides serious implications of foreign interference in the U.S. election."

It looks like the the Canadian Coup could be exposed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on December 22, 2020, 11:16:50 AM
Latest tweet from the deranged:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
THE DEMOCRATS DUMPED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS IN THE SWING STATES LATE IN THE EVENING. IT WAS A RIGGED ELECTION!!!

Dems must have been pretty busy...
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 22, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
Axios has a good track record of sources in the WH:

https://www.axios.com/trump-white-house-conspiracy-theories-d95450a4-c7a3-4579-a568-0473b18529c9.html

Quote
President Trump, in his final days, is turning bitterly on virtually every person around him, griping about anyone who refuses to indulge conspiracy theories or hopeless bids to overturn the election, several top officials tell Axios.

The latest: Targets of his outrage include Vice President Pence, chief of staff Mark Meadows, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, Secretary of State Pompeo and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Why it matters: Trump thinks everyone around him is weak, stupid or disloyal — and increasingly seeks comfort only in people who egg him on to overturn the election results. We cannot stress enough how unnerved Trump officials are by the conversations unfolding inside the White House.

Top officials are trying to stay away from the West Wing right now.

Trump is lashing out, and everyone is in the blast zone: At this point, if you're not in the “use the Department of Homeland Security or the military to impound voting machines” camp, the president considers you weak and beneath contempt.
Trump is fed up with Cipollone, his counsel. Some supporters of Cipollone are worried that Trump is on the brink of removing him and replacing him with a fringe loyalist.
A source who spoke to Trump said the president was complaining about Pence and brought up a Lincoln Project ad that claims that Pence is "backing away" from Trump. This ad has clearly got inside Trump’s head, the source said.

Trump views Pence as not fighting hard enough for him — the same complaint he uses against virtually everybody who works for him and has been loyal to him.

Turns out everyone but Trump is in the deep state!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on December 22, 2020, 06:41:19 PM
Right wing news outlets backtrack on fraud claims after Smartmatic and Dominion threaten lawsuits:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2020/12/22/fox-news-oan-newsmax-smartmatic-orig.cnn-business

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on December 22, 2020, 07:45:23 PM
Thanks for posting Value^2.

A must listen in its entirety.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on December 23, 2020, 04:40:00 AM
Thanks for posting Value^2.

A must listen in its entirety.

Cardboard

Ditto - excellent! Thank you!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 23, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
Another must watch interview: 

Patrick Byrne: What Really Happened In The Oval Office

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1341803080346722304 

https://rumble.com/embed/v9hu4p/?pub=4

[spoiler]
^During that meeting,  Patrick realized that Trump is about as smart as Buffett!   

He also refuted all those claims Dalal.Holdings referred earlier. (related to leaker Pat Cipollone).
[/spoiler]

Cheers !

I don't even know how to process this.  I'm on team conspiracy theory, but this guy is calling for violent protests January 4-6.  He sounds completely insane.  I guess he's a billionaire and I'm not.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: gfp on December 23, 2020, 04:43:48 PM
Who is a billionaire?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on December 23, 2020, 05:27:35 PM
Who is a billionaire?

Wow, good point.  Another implied fact in the video.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on December 24, 2020, 12:26:22 AM
Who is a billionaire?

Wow, good point.  Another implied fact in the video.

He sold his shares for about $110M.  If he had held on to them, then he would have been a billionaire or very close to it.  That Russian spy girlfriend cost him alot of money...I doubt if Trump paid that much for his Russian prostitutes!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: dwy000 on December 24, 2020, 09:08:23 AM
If there's one guy that keeps 0bama up at night, it's Patrick Byrne!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/overstocks_colorful_founder_has_tales_to_tell_about_the_russia_hoax.html


It's just matter of time, when Trump announces that he's going to implement Byrne's 'radical' masterplan.


https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1341899696701366273

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341885394124607488

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep9b9kUWMAEPCwj?format=jpg&name=small)

Cheers!

The only reason Obama would be kept up at night with this is due to laughter at the thought people might actually believe it.

Its not "just a matter of time" until Trump announces this ludicrous concept.  Its actually just a matter of time until Trump is out of office and just a stain on the memory of the nation.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on December 24, 2020, 11:11:51 AM
If there's one guy who keeps 0bama up at night, it's Patrick Byrne!

(https://grist.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/obama-laughing.jpg?resize=600,400)