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Title: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 11, 2020, 07:57:42 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/presidential-election-georgia-announces-a-recount-as-biden-leads.html

MAGA!!!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 11, 2020, 08:09:59 AM
Interesting few developments that should definitely open some eyes.

-the number of MSM people taking jobs with the Biden Administration...particularly at MSNBC

-The effort to lie and bully the PA USPS whistleblower to recant his statement by media and dems. They blatantly lied and then the poor guy tries to let everyone know he never recanted his statement and Twitter and FB block him...GoFundMe steals his money....cant make this stuff up.

-the delayed PFE announcement, CEO stock sales, Biden taking credit, also appointing someone to his covid Taskforce who loves lockdowns and basically wrote an essay on why the at risk and elderly dont matter...

among other things...

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 11, 2020, 08:52:20 AM
Wasn’t this clear from the beginning?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 11, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
Wasn’t this clear from the beginning?

If you are talking about Gregmal's post above yours, then yes, very clear to anyone who was paying attention.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 06:18:42 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/presidential-election-georgia-announces-a-recount-as-biden-leads.html

MAGA!!!

Cardboard

Interesting few developments that should definitely open some eyes.

-the number of MSM people taking jobs with the Biden Administration...particularly at MSNBC

-The effort to lie and bully the PA USPS whistleblower to recant his statement by media and dems. They blatantly lied and then the poor guy tries to let everyone know he never recanted his statement and Twitter and FB block him...GoFundMe steals his money....cant make this stuff up.

-the delayed PFE announcement, CEO stock sales, Biden taking credit, also appointing someone to his covid Taskforce who loves lockdowns and basically wrote an essay on why the at risk and elderly dont matter...

among other things...



Ok, but when the count is over and they certify the results by November 20th...no matter who wins...then you guys can cut out all the conspiracy bullshit...I'll do the same regardless of the results.

Granted, if Georgia turns out to be a Trump win, and the margin is significant, then I'm open to listening to more conspiracy theories.  But if the results are essentially the same as what we have...then you guys stick your theories where the sun don't shine!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 11, 2020, 06:48:48 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 11, 2020, 08:56:34 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 11, 2020, 10:15:53 PM
US politics is approaching Middle East levels of bullshit.

And we're to blame for it
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 10:31:20 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Cardboard, I could be like you and make a big hissy fit about the recount, but notice how I did not. 

Not that I think a recount is necessary, but just to finally shut you up and let you and Trump have your moment.  And at the same time provide a conciliatory gesture that if you are correct, I will accept, and if you are incorrect, you will accept.

Will that happen...after your response, I don't f'in think so...unbelievable is right! 

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 11, 2020, 10:32:21 PM
4 1/2 years of Russia, Hitler, impeachment... yeah we will stick it where the Sun don't shine... LOL!

More like f'in unbelievable!

Cardboard

Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

Don't bother trying to remind him how it started.  With his dementia, his short-term memory is shot!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 12, 2020, 04:11:20 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 05:33:59 AM
We will never surrender to socialist traitors!
Cardboard

And it's the fight of our lives!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 05:39:50 AM
Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

The only thing wrong with this - very, very little of this was mainstream. Unlike today's Wacko Democratic Party..

Certainly, nothing wrong with wanting to make Obama a 1 term President. What did you expect Republicans to do? Let's re-elect him?
Block a Supreme Court Nominee?  A present to Mr. Obama courtesy of Harry Reid!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 12, 2020, 05:45:48 AM
Wasn’t that preceded by 8 years of “Obama wasn’t born in USA”, “Obama is a Muslim”, We want to make Obama a one term president”, “Party of No”, “Obama is the founder of ISIS”, Block a Supreme Court Seat for 11 months. Did you also forget the Dec 3, 2013 House Judiciary committee meeting to try and impeach Obama? They didn’t go ahead with it because they didn’t have the votes in the Senate.

The only thing wrong with this - very, very little of this was mainstream. Unlike today's Wacko Democratic Party..

Certainly, nothing wrong with wanting to make Obama a 1 term President. What did you expect Republicans to do? Let's re-elect him?
Block a Supreme Court Nominee?  A present to Mr. Obama courtesy of Harry Reid!
very, very little was mainstream? The number 1 cheerleader was elected president.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 12, 2020, 08:41:56 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard


Tell us more about the paramilitary group you joined.
#LawnandOrder

P.S: you forgot Twitter and CoBF
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard

Quoting that garbage, that mass murdering genocidal manic Winston piece of shit Churchill just means I will ignore your verbal diarrhea permanently.

I will however apologize to garbage and shit for comparing them to Churchill.



Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!

Remember “Lock her up”? 4 years to dig up any proof on Clinton/Biden/you name it. Where is it?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 12, 2020, 09:23:41 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 12, 2020, 09:51:00 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

ROFL. Like it says in the image.

“This claim about election fraud is disputed”.

How much more time do Republicans need to manufacture the “evidence”?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 12, 2020, 09:56:59 AM
yes, nothing new about big tech having a dog in the race. Or the advocates taking something concerning and simply going "its fake" and then MSM censoring it....

What is incredible is theres definitely areas here of obvious irregularities. It may or may not be material but its undeniable. If this was an investment company, most people would look at the income statement and immediately see a ton of red flags and irregularities. But because its politics they see it and dont care because right now the end result gives them what "they" want. Another pretty obvious case of those concerned with "election integrity" being hypocrites and frauds.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:03:24 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

About as HUGE as the amount you've donated to Trump's election recount campaign, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Castanza on November 12, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Vpz4K1b/domino.png)

This is HUGE!

About as HUGE as the amount you've donated to Trump's election recount campaign, I would imagine.

Why would anyone be against getting it right? Audits are what keep corruption at bay. Having courts look into "things" is the proper process. It's probably false, but making sure it's false takes no issue with me.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
Quote
Why would anyone be against getting it right? Audits are what keep corruption at bay. Having courts look into "things" is the proper process. It's probably false, but making sure it's false takes no issue with me.

Oh I don't disagree - but there is a double standard:

The same logic was extended to the Mueller Investigation but the prevailing criticism from "conservatives" on this forum was totally backwards.

So it's a bit humorous seeing the shoe on the other foot, and how some backwards yokels would rather double-down on conspiracy theories rather than entertain the idea that they may be not-totally-correct.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 12, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
Oh and to add to the hilarity - anyone who has been following voting machine progress has seen the various testimonies given before House & Senate over the past 15 years, where experts all give the same message: electric voting machines are vulnerable to hacking and it's imperative to have a full backup of paper ballots.

And to triple down on the what is now a laughingstock of a topic, this very issue was brought before Trump's own Congress in January 2020 where they could have legislated a bill to enforce paper ballots - giving states federal resources and 11 months to prepare. And this is a guy who has been screaming and crying about election results for years now. If you remember, he was asked about it in 2016 as well.

So he had both the motivation and means to ensure a fair, transparent election...but he chose not to.
Well, he can go get bent.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 12, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
It just boggles the mind.

For the past year the President of the United States says his own country's elections would be rigged. The sitting President. How dumb is it for the guy in control of the country to say his own country’s elections are rigged. The guy who WON the last election - was that rigged too? Of course we all know that if Trump had won, the only results he would question would be States where he didn’t win.

He and his die hard followers just can’t understand that someone might vote against him. No one in their right mind could fall for this crap unless they are so far into Trump’s cult that they can’t see reality.

And if that wasn’t enough and with reality setting in, now Trump is again questioning if he can pardon himself. Pardon himself? Why would an innocent person would need a pardon? He is either a crook or he is not.

Innocent people don’t need pardons.

Or is the American justice system crooked as well as American elections?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard

Sir, you are no Churchill!  Maybe a cardboard one.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2020, 02:54:57 PM
^ Yeah, like the ENTIRE Democratic Leadership Team claiming "Trump is a Russian Asset, Trump is a Traitor" for 4 years.

Meanwhile - the real Russian colluder was Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden receives payoffs from China, Russia and Ukraine!

Now that is rich!

The Russians know that Trump is too stupid to be an asset!  They use him like a 2-dollar whore from 1870...you know bought him a drink, grabbed his pussy and lied to him about everything while he plays the piano. 

And remind me again exactly what investigation found Hillary Clinton as a colluder with Russia?  Stop playing with lies as if they were the gospel truth!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 12, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
We shall fight on the beaches,
We shall fight on the landing grounds,
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
We shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender

We will never surrender to socialist traitors!

Cardboard
So much to unpack here.

If one is not a conservative one is a socialist traitor.
If one is not loyal to the leader one is a traitor.
If one is not loyal to the party one is a traitor.
If one is not loyal to the cause one is a traitor.

That is very much identical to North Korea, USSR, Sadam's Iraq or choose your totalitarian place. Only they probably wouldn't use the "socialist" qualifier. Depending on the place it would be replaced with whatever would me convenient there.

Furthermore, in that Churchill speech who they were gonna fight is an enemy lead by a cult of personality. Carboard here is ready to fight for the cult of personality. The irony of it all.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 12, 2020, 03:46:26 PM
Yes. Ironic isn't it. Cardboard is confused again.

It is hard to understand how Trump supporters are not embarrassed by his moronic actions and refusal to admit to a defeat. Biden has won the popular vote by the largest margin since FDR - and thanks to Trump, it is being validated by Trump's demand for recounts.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 14, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
Two Pennsylvania judges throw out half dozen lawsuits filed by Trump.  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/pennsylvania-absentee-ballots-trump-campaign/index.html
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: mattee2264 on November 14, 2020, 02:01:08 AM
 
 Audits are meant to keep the system honest but regulatory capture is a big problem. Think of all the frauds perpetuated by massive companies that auditors enabled.

 Election officials aren't going to admit to any irregularities because they'd look bad for not blowing the whistle even if they weren't complicit. Auditors won't want to ruin their relationships with election officials over one election if it makes it harder to get work in future elections. So everyone involved has an incentive to cover everything up. And you can bet that any fraud will be a lot more sophisticated than dodgy ballots and probably does involve technology which seems to be Trump's main line of attack.

 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: stahleyp on November 14, 2020, 03:13:31 AM
As of right now, I'm under the assumption that there are some illegal/invalid ballots but not enough to sway the election. If Georgia's recount proves otherwise (or the software used is corrupt for the counting machines) then I would like a very deep investigation on all of this.

I have no doubt that with the "next Hitler" narrative that some folks would be willing to violate democracy because they just know they're "right."
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 15, 2020, 09:42:52 AM
That election software developed by Dominion stinks to high heaven.. to put it mildly. Something even democrats said over the years. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi6U07gOHW4
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 15, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
As of right now, I'm under the assumption that there are some illegal/invalid ballots but not enough to sway the election. If Georgia's recount proves otherwise (or the software used is corrupt for the counting machines) then I would like a very deep investigation on all of this.

I have no doubt that with the "next Hitler" narrative that some folks would be willing to violate democracy because they just know they're "right."

This is exactly it. I don't understand why the Dems are so riled up.  The only way they can possibly lose is if there is fraud. Their margins are too much to be overturned by honest miscounts.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 15, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
I guess repetition is required to "get the message"

Oh and to add to the hilarity - anyone who has been following voting machine progress has seen the various testimonies given before House & Senate over the past 15 years, where experts all give the same message: electric voting machines are vulnerable to hacking and it's imperative to have a full backup of paper ballots.

And to triple down on the what is now a laughingstock of a topic, this very issue was brought before Trump's own Congress in January 2020 where they could have legislated a bill to enforce paper ballots - giving states federal resources and 11 months to prepare. And this is a guy who has been screaming and crying about election results for years now. If you remember, he was asked about it in 2016 as well.

So he had both the motivation and means to ensure a fair, transparent election...but he chose not to.
Well, he can go get bent.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 15, 2020, 11:16:54 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 15, 2020, 01:21:48 PM
Quote
However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?
Yes you are entitled to legal procedures, if your house is broken into. So let's look at the automatic recount laws to see what homes were broken into:

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar said Friday she will not order a recount or a recanvass of statewide election returns in any of the 67 counties, because no candidate was defeated by the slim margin required to trigger a recount — half of 1% or less.

No house was broken into in Pennsylvania

Arizona election law (ARS Title 16) lays out the conditions that must be met to trigger an automatic recount and how that recount will happen. According to the law, a recount is mandated when the difference between the candidates is one-tenth of 1%  (that's 0.1%) or 200 votes, whichever number is smaller. In the case of the presidential election, the threshold for an automatic recount will be 200 votes. As of Thursday morning, President Donald Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden a little more than 11,500 votes.

No break-ins occurred in Arizona

Georgia does not even have automatic recount laws (nor does Nevada), it only allows recounts to be manually requested under a 0.5% differential.

And in Michigan where Trump lost by >100K votes, recounts are only automatic if the margin is 2K votes or less. So again, no break-in.

Now in many of these states it would appear using their own criteria for automatic recounts - no "break in" has even occurred, to continue using your analogy.

Now despite this, In most states a candidate can still manually request a recount. So OK, Trump insists his crack-den home was burglered.

In Georgia where Trump's campaign does have the legal right to request a recount, a recount is being performed.
But which candidate has been crying and moaning on twitter about the Georgia recount?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/526007-trump-rails-against-georgia-recount-process
Poor Trump of course, bitching and moaning that the recount procedure is rigged.

But Georgia law allows the State Election Board to decide the recount procedures:
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-21/chapter-2/article-12/section-21-2-495/

Trump is the one requesting activities above what he is legally entitled to, so I am not sure how you can claim "[The Left] are very one sided in application of law and order".

In Michigan, again where Trump did not reach the threshold for an automatic recount, Trump decides to sue anyways, for which judges have been shooting-down for the past few days:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/trump-drops-ballot-court-challenge-in-arizona-biden-lead-too-big.html

In Michigan, where Biden last week was projected as the winner, a judge declined a request by Trump backers to block the certification of election results in Detroit.


In the Michigan case, the judge rejected allegations by two poll challengers who claimed to have seen irregularities that allowed invalid ballots to be counted.

Timothy Kenny, chief judge of Wayne County Circuit Court in Detroit, said those people “did not have a full understanding” of the vote counting process and their “interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible.”


By constrast, Biden lost NC by a slimmer margin than Trump lost MI, but Biden is not crying for a recount there.

Of course none of this has stopped conspiracy theorists from screaming from their soap boxes, despite the "standard application of legal procedures" repeatedly stacking up against them.

And yet they have the gall to claim the system is rigged?

Do you see what happens when they are proven wrong AND when the law is resolved against them? Rather than accept it, they contrive an even more fanciful conspiracy.

These people are zealots and can go screw right off.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 15, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Maybe you can enlighten me. Who exactly decides who are the poeple that love America.

While you're at it maybe you can also help me with the definition of a real American as opposed I guess... a fake American and how the decision is done about which is which.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 03:46:19 PM
^ I won't waste my time Rb. I already know what a whack job you are. But enjoy the videos nevertheless.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 15, 2020, 03:51:24 PM
^ I won't waste my time Rb. I already know what a whack job you are. But enjoy the videos nevertheless.
LOL!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 07:16:56 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 15, 2020, 07:58:52 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!

Great - I'm with you and don't know why anyone ignores the truth. It's obvious that BLM and Antifa are trying to destroy America. It's also known that
both organizations collect and fund the Democratic Party - who protects them and will not criticize them - so don't give me that crap about
Joe Biden and his supporters. 

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 15, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

I totally agree you with you on the jackasses attacking the marchers, but I totally agree with Rb on exactly what you mean by "continue to attack those that love America."  I think that's probably why you get little sympathy from your position, because it's constantly on the attack of others.

Do you think anyone in their right mind would condone such actions?  Do you honestly think that Trump and his supporters love America any more than Joe Biden and his supporters? 

That being said, I hope the guy who sucker punched the grey-haired man in the black jacket gets his ass beat!  I don't know why groups swarm and sucker punch people nowadays instead of just manning up one one one...chicken shit assholes!  Cheers!

Great - I'm with you and don't know why anyone ignores the truth. It's obvious that BLM and Antifa are trying to destroy America. It's also known that
both organizations collect and fund the Democratic Party - who protects them and will not criticize them - so don't give me that crap about
Joe Biden and his supporters.

Exactly the same could be said about Proud Boys and other extreme right organizations who support the Republican party...who also protect them and will not criticize them.  Sad thing is that the President, who is supposed to represent all constituents, does the same...no President in recent history has done that...so don't give me crap about how all Democrats want to destroy and hate America!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 16, 2020, 02:42:25 AM
"...no President in recent history has done that...so don't give me crap about how all Democrats want to destroy and hate America! "

Who is it really suffering from memory loss? Insulting others, calling fake news and bullshit on everything the opposite view mentions, yelling?

It was mentioned countless times on this website that Obama refusing to denounce BLM violence and their Iran like speech against cops lead to violence. Same with that hateful and anti-semit Omar.

So you were not expecting some fighting back from the other side? At least Trump said in Presidential debate that he did not support them. Not so from Biden when he was asked to do the same.

Cardboard 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 16, 2020, 08:26:26 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 17, 2020, 12:04:28 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.

Peacefully walking, huh?  More conspiracy bullshit from you guys...always only half the facts that support whatever argument you want to make.  The violence started with the Proud Boys.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1328113186747396096?s=21

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1327792933219799045?s=21

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 17, 2020, 06:08:35 AM
^ Oh, was that the Proud Boys beating up the old man on the bike? Terrorizing the family with the 2 little kids? Punching the girl with the flag in the back of the head?

What a joke!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rkbabang on November 17, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
The Criminal Scum at Black-Lives-Matter and Antifa continue to attack those that love America.
Don't believe it??

See these videos from yesterday in Washington, DC.
The Fake News will never report it:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/14/antifa-blm-terrorists-viciously-attack-women-children-and-elderly-following-million-maga-march/

By the way, a more balanced view of the violence on both sides during/after the march...from the Daily Mail...so you can put away your "fake news" banner.  Should also be noted, much of the violence occurred after MAGA supporters and Proud Boys types walked through the BLM plaza area, which really set things off.  Cheers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8949995/Violence-erupts-D-C-Million-MAGA-March-protesters-Trump-supporters-brawl.html

Yes, how dare they simply peacefully walk through a plaza.  They should have known that they'd be violently attacked if they did so.

Peacefully walking, huh?  More conspiracy bullshit from you guys...always only half the facts that support whatever argument you want to make.  The violence started with the Proud Boys.

https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1328113186747396096?s=21

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1327792933219799045?s=21

Cheers!

Those videos show people fighting, not what started the fights.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.

So five days later and Georgia's recount confirms the result. And yet Trump and his cronies are still lambasting the results because it's not the one they want.

To me it seems like your position (which IMHO was weak to begin with) has "aged like milk".
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 08:17:09 AM
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.

So five days later and Georgia's recount confirms the result. And yet Trump and his cronies are still lambasting the results because it's not the one they want.

To me it seems like your position (which IMHO was weak to begin with) has "aged like milk".

My understanding is a recount will not prove or disprove voter\election fraud in Georgia.  There were procedural requirements (laws) violated with the mail in ballot process in Georgia, and recounting ballots without traceability doesn't accomplish anything. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
Would you be more specific in terms of what specific law(s) are allegedly being violated?

The reason you are being pressed is because it would be quite a simple task to understand what the allegation is; what the law states; and what evidence exists.

But when you make such generic claims and then refuse to provide detail, it makes me think these claims are baseless. 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 20, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
As far as a ballot recount, the Trump team wanted signature matching.  This was not possible with most (all?) of the mail in ballots.  It sounds like even if the Georgia governor certifies the results today, the Trump team still thinks they can force a recount throwing out ballots that cannot be validated.

As far as the procedural violations, I'm less clear on the specifics.  I believe it revolves around how the mail in ballots were sent out.  I could be mixing up my states, but I believe in Georgia they were only supposed to send out mail-in ballots if one was requested.

They really seem to think they are going to force another recount.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 20, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
The recount did provide evidence of irregularities.

There were two sets of ballots found that were missed from the original counts.  Each set contained 2000 or more ballots.  They were both weighted heavily toward trump.  I don't see how it is possible that they just forgot to include ballots.  It shows there are no validation controls.

So yes the recount proves my point and we will leave it to the courts to work it out.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.
So you take at face value the word of a bunch of people that are world renowned liars and don't care to look?

Here's an update. What the manual recount proves is that there was no problem with the counting machines. As for the fraud, the Trump legal team is alleging that mostly on twitter and wild pressers. Not in court. Cause, you know, you are fee to lie on twitter and on TV but there are consequences to lying in court. As or right now all of the Trump campaign's lawsuits in Georgia have been dismissed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
How embarrassing

Report from September that 1.1m absentee ballots were requested in Georgia
https://www.ajc.com/politics/absentee-ballots-begin-to-be-mailed-to-georgia-voters/7ACTFMKG3BDZLI7PJXK7E7JYZ4/

A total of 1.3m absentee ballots were cast in total
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/number_of_absentee_ballots_rejected_for_signature_issues_in_the_2020_election_increased_350_from_2018

It must be fraud. There is no way that 200k people requested an absentee ballot in the month leading up to a presidential election during a pandemic.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
So, no free lunch, the first count was not in your favor.

The second count, now done by hand with the entire country watching, also not in your favor.

So rather than apply the legal standard (which you previously claimed you were "just going for", and then received), now you support lawsuits to get a third count.

You paid me a compliment earlier and I appreciate that, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask how you can, in all fairness, take such a position?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 20, 2020, 05:00:16 PM
Looks like all the the Trump election lawsuits  went nowhere. Also, with the Georgia election now certified, the hurdle to fight this result is extremely high:
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ (https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/)

In my opinion, these lawsuits are just a political ploy from Trump to create his own “Dolchstoßlegende” to explain the loss to his hardcore fan base. Got to keep the flame alive, I guess.

It is kind of interesting to see that the critical thinking went out the window here (except for Gregmal) as almost every Trump fan went on the same election fraud groupthink train, despite virtually no evidence.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: no_free_lunch on November 20, 2020, 06:00:23 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 20, 2020, 06:22:51 PM
Looks like all the the Trump election lawsuits  went nowhere. Also, with the Georgia election now certified, the hurdle to fight this result is extremely high:
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ (https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/)

In my opinion, these lawsuits are just a political ploy from Trump to create his own “Dolchstoßlegende” to explain the loss to his hardcore fan base. Got to keep the flame alive, I guess.

It is kind of interesting to see that the critical thinking went out the window here (except for Gregmal) as almost every Trump fan went on the same election fraud groupthink train, despite virtually no evidence.

Somebody from Trump's own team said that the President knows he lost the election, but he's trying to make the transition as difficult as allegedly it was for him...not sure what the hell that means!  I remember he was given Security Intelligence Reports immediately, and the Obamas had Trump and Melania over to the White House right away.  Anyways, it's always about this guy...not the truth...not what is in the best interest of the country! 

A decade from now, Trump supporters will be viewed similarly to Internet 1.0...unleashed a new wave of politics, but essentially became irrelevant...and were WAY overvalued?  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 20, 2020, 06:31:47 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
That audit has just been completed.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 20, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Well, you haven't addressed any of my points. There were votes that were found that weren't in the original counts. Trump moved up 3k votes. Not sure how that's possible. I would want an audit to ensure that all votes are accounted for.
That audit has just been completed.
Exactly. And they explained why those votes were not counted initially. And the margin was only +495 votes for Trump.

Do you want to audit the audit, now? What happens when those results show Trump lost? Should we audit the auditors of the auditor?

Maybe we should just let Trump count the votes himself and he can tell us what the “right” number is.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 21, 2020, 04:19:02 AM
"Somebody from Trump's own team said that the President knows he lost the election, but he's trying to make the transition as difficult as allegedly it was for him...not sure what the hell that means!"

I read this too on CNN. LOL!

So Parsad, you put more credence to such information with no source than multiple citizens who have sat down and filed an Affidavit under oath and punishable by law as perjury?

If they lied, then the judge can send them to jail and I would support it but, first they must be given due process.

You seem to have changed a lot since Fairfax old days. Brolgaboy vs trying to find the truth.

Cardboard 
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 21, 2020, 04:20:17 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-kemp-georgia-recount-election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/?fbclid=IwAR00Zg_ez-6NGMpreSh2LturFz2dAygoQwPmwrkp_dyWIsBUw8tkTN941xg (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-kemp-georgia-recount-election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/?fbclid=IwAR00Zg_ez-6NGMpreSh2LturFz2dAygoQwPmwrkp_dyWIsBUw8tkTN941xg)

So basically, as long as you didn't get caught cheating in the act then it's ok no matter how anomalous the results may be.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 21, 2020, 10:05:10 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnWQPvaWMAIfJ_4?format=jpg&name=small)

https://youtu.be/myIEWH-9Dg0?t=4428
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 21, 2020, 03:38:04 PM
^ You got Jay Sekulow, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell - their going to expose a lot of shit before this is over.
These 3 are the Democrats worst nightmare - and you have 73M Americans looking for answers on this dirty election.

Biden may be President - but there will be a huge stain on his administration.

I can't wait till they move on to Hunter Biden...
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 21, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
LOL! What would their cause of action be against Hunter Binden?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 21, 2020, 07:48:58 PM
So Parsad, you put more credence to such information with no source than multiple citizens who have sat down and filed an Affidavit under oath and punishable by law as perjury?

Buffett says that he looks for three things in people...intelligence, energy and integrity.  And if they don't have the last one, don't bother with the other two.

I don't know who CNN's source is, but if I had to take Obama's word without an affidavit and Trump's with an affidavit...I would put a hell of a lot more stock in Obama's.

You seem to have changed a lot since Fairfax old days. Brolgaboy vs trying to find the truth.

I haven't changed at all.  Just like I put more stock in Prem's words...and my own analysis of Fairfax...I put more stock in the words of people other than Trump, only because I have done my own analysis of him.   Whereas you take Trump's word without doing any analysis! 

Brolgaboy has more credibility than Trump!  And I couldn't give two f**ks about Brolgaboy!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 21, 2020, 10:01:21 PM
So we're at the point where the CIA provided Hugo Chavez with the technology to overturn the election - which in turn passed it to Dominion for this purpose - and Gov Kemp of Georgia (historically a great ally of the democrats  ::)) and the Georgia Secretary of State (another great democrat  ::)) were bribed by Dominion to implement it in order to swing the election to Joe Biden.

This would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

At this point I'm fairly confident that any day now Fidel Castro will come back from the dead just to stick one up to Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 22, 2020, 10:07:16 AM
I'm feeling that this dominion soft thing, might be similar to college admission scandal... except, much bigger and international. 
Where rich dudes has been buying their votes. And lets face it, Briden was the ultimate 'big stack bully', during last election.

Can't wait when he & other deep state operatives are sent to prison.

I think investigators should follow the money.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: copelandlewis on November 22, 2020, 10:15:04 AM
If Trump is so concerned about voter fraud and ensuring free and fair elections, why isnt he asking for recounts of states he won as well? If votes for Biden could be fraudulent then  votes for Trump could be fraudulent as well.


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 22, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Sidney Powell: It will be BIBLICAL


https://youtu.be/Y68pEknYyCM?t=192

https://youtu.be/Y68pEknYyCM?t=608

https://youtu.be/Y68pEknYyCM?t=779

https://youtu.be/Y68pEknYyCM?t=1048

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68pEknYyCM full video 20min

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Spekulatius on November 22, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
No it won’t - lawsuit in PA also dismissed:
https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1330290872395714564?s=21 (https://twitter.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1330290872395714564?s=21)

So, the hand recount negated the thesis of the voting machines being an issue, what is the next thesis? I just follow lawsuits outcome and the certifications of state elections. Nothing else matters.

Lately, the only thing positive for the Trump Organization are his sons tests results.

#Lawnandorder
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 01:30:29 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.
I'm not a lawyer and even I know that that case won't make it to the supreme court. It won't even make it to the 3rd circuit unfortunately.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 02:08:52 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.

Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 02:54:55 PM
Notice that Dershowitz isn't talking about the PA case but vaguely and generally talking about some theories.

In the PA case the only redress that the Trump Campaign asked for is the block the certification of the vote in PA. Once PA certifies on Monday that case becomes moot. Even if the case were to go to the 3rd circuit or the Supreme Court they wouldn't argue the case. They would argue the judge's decision on the motion to dismiss. If they were to win that means that the case goes back to the district court to be argued.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.




Annnd ... Lets just take a quick look at the parts of the quote above that were NOT highlighted...

"The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it."

"So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. "
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 22, 2020, 04:01:48 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2020, 05:35:47 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

“ There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. ” true. They believe this because they were lied to by Trump.

“Unfortunately, we are looking a lot like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.” True again. Trump is doing crazy things.

Below is the latest example of his idiotic behaviour. It would be quite funny... except this is the President of the US...

Giuliani releases statement distancing Trump campaign from lawyer Sidney Powell
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/22/giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-trump-campaign-lawyer-sidney-powell/

The president’s legal team was thrown into tumult Sunday when two Trump attorneys — Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis — released a statement abruptly distancing the campaign from a third attorney, Sidney Powell.

Giuliani, Ellis and Powell all appeared together at a news conference Thursday, when they made a range of baseless accusations about the integrity of the election. Powell, in particular, has lobbed some of the most convoluted claims, alleging a conspiracy that involved “communist money,” the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez and an algorithm favoring Democrats.

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own,” Giuliani and Ellis said in their statement Sunday. “She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.”
Fact-checking the craziest news conference of the Trump presidency

At the start of Thursday’s news conference, Giuliani said he, Ellis, Powell and other attorneys present were “representing President Trump and we’re representing the Trump campaign.” Ellis introduced the group as “an elite strike force team that is working on behalf of the president and the campaign to make sure that our Constitution is protected.

Two advisers to Trump, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that the president disliked the coverage Powell was receiving from Fox News host Tucker Carlson and others and that several allies had reached out to say she had gone too far. The advisers also said she fought with Giuliani and others in recent days.

She was too crazy even for the president,” a campaign official said.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 22, 2020, 06:55:21 PM

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.

I guess the scum in DC was intimidated by her!


Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: adesigar on November 22, 2020, 07:06:38 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:09:51 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

Cubs I pretty well agree with everything you say in this post.

The problem comes in when some people tend to confuse accusations with evidence. But even worse when they see no actual evidence they still believe the accusations.

I would also suggest that Trump does not have a great track record in the truth department. But by all means lay out the actual evidence and let the courts decide. Hopefully the people will side with the courts and not the politicians.

But consider this. The AMOUNT of fraud to make a difference in the election would have to be massive - millions of votes. If it was that massive one would think that it would have to be very, very obvious and pretty darn easy to prove.

And yes, the situation is embarrassing, but not only to the US, but most democratic countries.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 07:11:03 PM
WOW! I said before that this would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic. They're really going hard for that pathetic thing. These may be the most incompetent bunch of people that God ever let through the door. At this point I'm honestly wondering how they manage to get dressed in the morning.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 07:15:53 PM
Yup - he's saying there is a strong legal basis depending on the evidence. So why not play it out and not have a hissy fit, like the 4 year
hissy fit Democrats had...

There is no question that a very large portion of the population believes the election was stolen. Unfortunately, we are looking a lot
like a banana republic - which I never thought I would say about America.

Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.
They are playing it out. That's how it's done. You take your evidence and you go to court. The problem is that the courts are saying that their basis, their evidence, and pretty much everything relating to them is bullshit. At this point I think they lost 34 cases. That's a tremendous amount of cases.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 22, 2020, 07:42:23 PM
The problem is that a certain percentage of the cult believe Trump no matter what the court or anyone else says.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 08:27:00 PM
Yeah. They're usually the bunch that are raving about law and order.  ::)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 22, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.


Ok Cubs, update. Looks like they filed their appeal to the 3rd circuit. And what do you know, the only thing they're appealing is the judge's decision to amend their complaint. That is the amendment to their amendment to bring it back to the initial complaint (joke!). They are not challenging the judge's ruling that their case has no standing and no merit.

So IF they win the appeal, they will get to go back before the same judge that ruled that their case has no standing, no merit, and that their request for redress is insane and outside the authority of the court.

This is the legal equivalent of: the initial beat down was not enough so we want to go back for seconds. I guess they never get tired of loosing either.

Seriously, who's repping these guys? The law firm of Jalopi, Giuliani & Gambini?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 22, 2020, 11:18:40 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team

No, no...this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-attorney-sidney-powell-after-bizarre-election-claims

Value2 can you stop putting up shit from places even Trump doesn't want to visit!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Parsad on November 22, 2020, 11:21:13 PM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team

No, no...this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-attorney-sidney-powell-after-bizarre-election-claims

Value2 can you stop putting up shit from places even Trump doesn't want to visit!  Cheers!

I think Cubsfan, Cardboard and Greg's Sidney Powell boners just went limp.  I'm pretty sure Trump is on Viagra, so feel free to use.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 23, 2020, 04:53:51 AM
^ Damn - I can see you boys have been busy trashing me. No problem though. I don't get everything right. I'm pretty firm in my belief that this
was a stolen election, but proving it in a few weeks is a pretty monumental task. Exposing the fraud is vitally important to the country though.

And this time, unlike the last 4 years, when I listen to you jokers try and convince me about "Russian/Trump" collusion, the integrity of the
FBI, Ukrainian Hoaxes, and the "wonderfully woke" Presidency of Barrack Obama - I could be wrong on these details. 4 years of constant
drivel and total BS.

So stick one in your win column  - along with your loser Biden Presidency.  There are a whole lot of gutless people in this
country that are with you on that one. Joe Biden will go down as one of the biggest jokes in American history when he opens his mouth
enough times. Should be real interesting watching him get whipsawed by "The Squad". Taking down the DC Swamp has always been a Herculean task.

If Republicans lose the Senate - there will be hell to pay - if not, gridlock will be a very good thing.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 06:03:02 AM
Yea I don't think Ive ever even commented on Powell but this is just what they do. You say the sky is blue and they go around saying "Trump supporters think the sky is red"...who cares though. With the extinction level event that is covid, and the fact that the US is headed towards becoming a third world country....much more important things to be worried about!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 23, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
Yeah like making investment money hey Greg?

Too bad that LC is down 15% on year. What about the others?

Now we know why they keep on whining against Trump!

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 23, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
^ It's dismissed by PA Courts, maybe just in time to appeal to US Supreme Court.

No problem with Trump following the Constitution and legal system to get around a corrupt state like PA.

Gotta love that Sydney Powell is not intimidated by the scum in D.C.


You mean this Sidney Powell?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-not-part-of-trumps-legal-team

No, no...this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/23/trump-campaign-cuts-ties-with-attorney-sidney-powell-after-bizarre-election-claims

Value2 can you stop putting up shit from places even Trump doesn't want to visit!  Cheers!



Sidney Powell released this statement to
@CBSNews
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/End_Wf7VkAAGNAO?format=jpg&name=medium)


Even I'm not happy how Team-Trump distancing themselves from Powell, but I must say, I believe in  #KrakenOnSteroids!

Also, It might be that the main reason why some RINOs would like to see Trump hands over the keys of WH and move on, because they participated in Dominion scam.
 

Lastly, When Twatter sensors someone, it can mean only one thing.... she is on to something.

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/mike-flynn-jr-released-a-statement-parler-powell-600x438.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 07:54:11 AM
Yeah like making investment money hey Greg?

Too bad that LC is down 15% on year. What about the others?

Now we know why they keep on whining against Trump!

Cardboard

Oh there is no doubt in my mind that you would have relished seeing me lose money this year.

Fortunately for me, once again, you are wrong. In fact I say that comfortably from the new home (paid with from April's profits).

But as we approach Thanksgiving, we should find reason to be grateful for each other. And it's not lost on me that you made progress this year as well. I mean, you're only wishing monetary loss, rather than hoping another forum member gets COVID. Good for you!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 07:58:50 AM
LOL. I can vouch for LC that he was one of the few brave souls here daring to frequent the what are you buying thread as early as March. He's one of the few libs who seems quite rationale on the investment side, so in order to remain credible we must give credit where its do. Cant say the same for everyone though.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: ERICOPOLY on November 23, 2020, 08:02:51 AM
Biden will likely become President, as time will run out - but exposing the fraud and cheating is well worth the time.

They allege fraud outside the courtroom but when they go inside the courtroom, they don’t plead fraud and they don’t argue fraud.

- Chris Christie


I speculate that Trump is just looking for a way to cash in -- he would be forgotten if he conceded.  Instead, whip up his base and launch his own right-wing conspiracy media show/network.  He'll make a fortune.  He's not one to care about the ethics of all of this.

Further, he admires Rush Limbaugh (Trump's Freedom Medal winner), who has made a fortune in the same manner. Trump's show would be far more successful IMO than Limbaugh.  Even Pence had his own radio show.  Then there's Bannon.  So much money in right wing conspiracy media.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 08:06:42 AM
And credit to you as well Greg as you were buying as well at that time.

I couldn't believe people were closing positions in March, based purely on rumor. There was zero-to-little-evidence of what COVID was at that point.

I was literally selling just about everything to access leverage (call options) and increase exposure on those same names. And then with Livenation and Cloudflare's movements the past month, my year and probably next year as well is already paid for. My plan now is to ski the snow off of Colorado's mountains.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 23, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
To the victors go the spoils as they say.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 23, 2020, 11:44:23 AM
^ Damn - I can see you boys have been busy trashing me. No problem though. I don't get everything right. I'm pretty firm in my belief that this
was a stolen election, but proving it in a few weeks is a pretty monumental task. Exposing the fraud is vitally important to the country though.

Pretty firm in one's believe without any evidence just because crazy lady says so on TV. That how you get Pizzagate level crazy. Also may be an indication that one may be part of a cult.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Value^2 on November 23, 2020, 12:05:13 PM

Pretty firm in one's believe without any evidence just because crazy lady says so on TV. That how you get Pizzagate level crazy. Also may be an indication that one may be part of a cult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZR1u7zV0k
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Cardboard on November 23, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
Then LC maybe should stop your endless whining about Trump or you should stop to lie:

"I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?"

Cardboard
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: LC on November 23, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Then LC maybe should stop your endless whining about Trump or you should stop to lie:

"I think Trump is a piss poor President. Am I wrong because my portfolio went down 15% this year?
What if it went up 40%?"

Cardboard

 The living embodiment of the facepalm emoji  ;D
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 24, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
^ Well, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

But you're not Alan Dershowitz either - so I will go with his opinion:



DERSHOWITZ: Well, let me give you my completely objective, not wishful thinking, constitutional analysis.

They have two or three legal constitutional paths. For example, in Pennsylvania, they have two very strong legal arguments, one, that the courts changed what the legislature did about counting ballots after the end of Election Day.

That’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. I don’t necessarily support it, but it’s a winning issue in the Supreme Court. And Justice Alito has already hinted that’s a winning issue.


They also have a winning issue on the Supreme Court on equal protection, that some counties allowed flawed ballots to be cured, while others didn’t. Bush vs. Gore suggests that an equal protection argument can prevail.

The problem with that argument is, they don’t have the numbers necessarily to support it. If it’s right that Biden is ahead by some 70,000 or 80,000 votes, they have to show enough contested votes, under those two legal theories, to change the outcome.

The other legal theory they had, which is a potentially strong one, is that the computers, either fraudulently or by glitches, changed hundreds of thousands of votes. There are enough votes to make a difference, but I haven’t seen the evidence to support that.

So, in one case, they don’t have the numbers. In another case, they don’t seem yet to have the evidence. Maybe they do. I haven’t seen it. But the legal theory is there to support them if they have the numbers and they have the evidence.


Ok Cubs, update. Looks like they filed their appeal to the 3rd circuit. And what do you know, the only thing they're appealing is the judge's decision to amend their complaint. That is the amendment to their amendment to bring it back to the initial complaint (joke!). They are not challenging the judge's ruling that their case has no standing and no merit.

So IF they win the appeal, they will get to go back before the same judge that ruled that their case has no standing, no merit, and that their request for redress is insane and outside the authority of the court.

This is the legal equivalent of: the initial beat down was not enough so we want to go back for seconds. I guess they never get tired of loosing either.

Seriously, who's repping these guys? The law firm of Jalopi, Giuliani & Gambini?

Ok So the 3rd circuit decision is in. Not only was their appeal denied. They carpet bombed it. I guess now they they are fee to go to the Supreme Court for another serving of whoop-ass.

Quote
It is beyond time for this baseless litigation to come to an end. The District Court properly exercised its discretion in denying leave to amend a second time. That is true for several, independently sufficient reasons: Plaintiffs were on notice but failed to cure pleading deficiencies through their first amendment; their proposed amendment would have reinstated claims that Appellants had abandoned for tactical reasons; leave to amend was sought after the District Court heard oral argument on motions to dismiss the First Amended Complaint and would have substantially prejudiced Appellees; and further amendment would have been futile and resulted in unnecessary delay of this time-sensitive election matter. Accordingly, the district court did not abuse its discretion, and its decision to deny leave to amend should be affirmed.

Quote
The central theory underlying all of Appellants' claims-that election officials counted ballots in violation of state election laws-is not a concrete injury in fact sufficient to confer Article III standing on either the individual voter Appellants or the Trump Campaign. If Appellants' First Amended Complaint is like Frankenstein's Monster, "haphazardly stitched together from...distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent." Slip op. at 11, APP 071, their proposed second amended complaint is Frankenstein's Monster's Monster, randomly re-cobbled together, even more illogical and haphazard than the first.

Quote
5.   Appellants' claims are moot.

That was brutal! Let's summarize:

1. It is hard for this court to tell you all the ways in which you're wrong, but we'll give it a shot.
2. Not only is your case bullshit, you lawyers are incompetent morons.
3. Go away!

I guess it's Dershowitz 0 - guy without a law degree 1  ;D
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 24, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
And as far as FOX news being a reliable source of news ....

“Fox News Settles With Seth Rich's Parents For False Story Claiming Clinton Leaks”

“Numerous U.S. intelligence agencies and Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded it was hackers with ties to Russian spy agencies - not Rich - who were behind the theft of the DNC emails that were posted by Wikileaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. The email disclosures threw Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign off balance. She never fully regained her footing. Even at the time, Democrats attributed the theft to Russian hackers.”

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938545344/fox-news-settles-with-seth-richs-parents-for-false-story-claiming-clinton-leaks
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: Gregmal on November 24, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
And as far as FOX news being a reliable source of news ....

“Fox News Settles With Seth Rich's Parents For False Story Claiming Clinton Leaks”

“Numerous U.S. intelligence agencies and Special Counsel Robert Mueller concluded it was hackers with ties to Russian spy agencies - not Rich - who were behind the theft of the DNC emails that were posted by Wikileaks during the 2016 presidential campaign. The email disclosures threw Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign off balance. She never fully regained her footing. Even at the time, Democrats attributed the theft to Russian hackers.”

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/24/938545344/fox-news-settles-with-seth-richs-parents-for-false-story-claiming-clinton-leaks

Oh interesting.. So now they can join all the lib pubs that paid Sandmann...#thirdworldcountry...#insurmountableproblems!
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 04:25:22 AM
https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lin-wood-files-suit-in-ga-beginning-of-the-tsunami-of-evidence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2j7fEpv5Tq8l2TGQ1xrxg7KHb7jHyK-jHZff0AQn0I6w6C8cHF4nK4Sxo (https://djhjmedia.com/kari/lin-wood-files-suit-in-ga-beginning-of-the-tsunami-of-evidence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2j7fEpv5Tq8l2TGQ1xrxg7KHb7jHyK-jHZff0AQn0I6w6C8cHF4nK4Sxo)
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cubsfan on November 25, 2020, 02:06:20 PM
Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

No doubt - like CW says, the USA is turning into a third world country. I'm amazed they pulled this off.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 02:28:47 PM
Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

No doubt - like CW says, the USA is turning into a third world country. I'm amazed they pulled this off.


If millions of a country’s citizens choose to believe that their country is incapable of holding fair elections, like a some African and South American countries, that in itself certainly tarnishes the country’s image in the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 03:06:37 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: cwericb on November 25, 2020, 03:15:51 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.

I realize that, but to date nearly everything has been thrown out for lack of evidence, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: rb on November 25, 2020, 03:42:19 PM
The Pennsylvania hearing today was pretty nuts. I'm sure people who didn't bother to watch will tell me how I'm a racist or something.

They had testimony from very credible witnesses, most with solid pedigrees.  Rudy even said they had three whistleblower witnesses who would testify once they were ensured the proper protections were in place.

Regardless of the election outcome (I think its a run out the clock situation), this was massive election fraud.

Why would you say that?

There may well be some minor incidents - on both sides - but if the fraud was massive it should be pretty easy to prove. Where is the evidence? With all of these supposedly smoking guns, so far everything has been thrown out of court.

Wouldn't there have to be millions of fraudulent votes to make any difference in the outcome of the election? Why do you think that there was massive fraud other than Trump inane rantings and we all know he has a problem with the truth.

I'm not a lawyer, but sworn affidavits ARE evidence.  This is not a criminal case, yet.  Watch the evidentiary hearing with an unbiased, open mind, and see how difficult it is to refute the allegations.

Full disclosure: I didn't vote for Trump in 2016; I held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020.
Most affidavits are actually hearsay. Any affidavits that the campaign introduced in court the judges called bullshit and threw them out.
Title: Re: Full recount by hand it will be
Post by: JRM on November 25, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
I guess we'll see what happens.  The entertainment value is off the charts.