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JRM

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2020, 08:17:09 AM »
You make a good point LC. However if I fail to put a security system in my house I am still entitled to legal procedures if my house gets broken into right?

Nobody is arguing whether or not trump is a nice guy.  Just going for standard application of legal procedures so we don't turn into some Banana Republican.

You are pretty good about calling out both sides but there is some we xtreme partisanship by many.  The left does not want recounts and they don't care about legal challenges either.  They are very one sided in application of law and order. The concern is that this has infected the electoral system. It needs to be investigated.

So five days later and Georgia's recount confirms the result. And yet Trump and his cronies are still lambasting the results because it's not the one they want.

To me it seems like your position (which IMHO was weak to begin with) has "aged like milk".

My understanding is a recount will not prove or disprove voter\election fraud in Georgia.  There were procedural requirements (laws) violated with the mail in ballot process in Georgia, and recounting ballots without traceability doesn't accomplish anything. 
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2020, 09:22:06 AM »
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2020, 10:07:15 AM »
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2020, 10:23:55 AM »
Would you be more specific in terms of what specific law(s) are allegedly being violated?

The reason you are being pressed is because it would be quite a simple task to understand what the allegation is; what the law states; and what evidence exists.

But when you make such generic claims and then refuse to provide detail, it makes me think these claims are baseless. 
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2020, 10:35:11 AM »
As far as a ballot recount, the Trump team wanted signature matching.  This was not possible with most (all?) of the mail in ballots.  It sounds like even if the Georgia governor certifies the results today, the Trump team still thinks they can force a recount throwing out ballots that cannot be validated.

As far as the procedural violations, I'm less clear on the specifics.  I believe it revolves around how the mail in ballots were sent out.  I could be mixing up my states, but I believe in Georgia they were only supposed to send out mail-in ballots if one was requested.

They really seem to think they are going to force another recount.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2020, 10:47:02 AM »
The recount did provide evidence of irregularities.

There were two sets of ballots found that were missed from the original counts.  Each set contained 2000 or more ballots.  They were both weighted heavily toward trump.  I don't see how it is possible that they just forgot to include ballots.  It shows there are no validation controls.

So yes the recount proves my point and we will leave it to the courts to work it out.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2020, 10:47:32 AM »
Ok. Trying to be open minded and inquisitive. Can you provide the link of where the judge has ruled that there were indeed laws violated in Georgia?

I don't know, and I don't care enough to look.  I should have said that the Trump legal team is ALLEGING election fraud through the violation of Georgia specific law(s).  A ballot recount doesn't prove/disprove these claims.
So you take at face value the word of a bunch of people that are world renowned liars and don't care to look?

Here's an update. What the manual recount proves is that there was no problem with the counting machines. As for the fraud, the Trump legal team is alleging that mostly on twitter and wild pressers. Not in court. Cause, you know, you are fee to lie on twitter and on TV but there are consequences to lying in court. As or right now all of the Trump campaign's lawsuits in Georgia have been dismissed.

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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2020, 12:30:13 PM »
How embarrassing

Report from September that 1.1m absentee ballots were requested in Georgia
https://www.ajc.com/politics/absentee-ballots-begin-to-be-mailed-to-georgia-voters/7ACTFMKG3BDZLI7PJXK7E7JYZ4/

A total of 1.3m absentee ballots were cast in total
https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/number_of_absentee_ballots_rejected_for_signature_issues_in_the_2020_election_increased_350_from_2018

It must be fraud. There is no way that 200k people requested an absentee ballot in the month leading up to a presidential election during a pandemic.
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2020, 12:34:10 PM »
So, no free lunch, the first count was not in your favor.

The second count, now done by hand with the entire country watching, also not in your favor.

So rather than apply the legal standard (which you previously claimed you were "just going for", and then received), now you support lawsuits to get a third count.

You paid me a compliment earlier and I appreciate that, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask how you can, in all fairness, take such a position?
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Re: Full recount by hand it will be
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2020, 05:00:16 PM »
Looks like all the the Trump election lawsuits  went nowhere. Also, with the Georgia election now certified, the hurdle to fight this result is extremely high:
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/

In my opinion, these lawsuits are just a political ploy from Trump to create his own “Dolchstoßlegende” to explain the loss to his hardcore fan base. Got to keep the flame alive, I guess.

It is kind of interesting to see that the critical thinking went out the window here (except for Gregmal) as almost every Trump fan went on the same election fraud groupthink train, despite virtually no evidence.
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