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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2020, 06:12:36 AM »
Yea but you’re having it both ways. You claim police should be held to a higher standard but then add conditions to that.

What if Chauvin was the one fresh out of academy? Would that be ok since he was still green?
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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2020, 07:43:05 AM »
Anyone concerned that the 3 cops involved in the alleged murder of George Floyd, don’t get a fair trial? Because I am. Again, I look at this from a perspective of looking at safety incidence that I am used to look at in an industrial setting. While there often is an Component of individual fault, the focus in those of investigations is always on the process that allows these “accidents” to happen to begin with and try to prevent them in the future.

Going after individuals is counterproductive in most cases and leads to cover ups. This of course is a different setting , but the fact alone that exactly the same grip was used in the same department 44 times lets me believe that looking at this from an safety incident perspective may be productive and there is likely an institutional component of blame here that should be investigated.
Not really. In fact I would be surprised if even Chauvin does any serious time. Remember Baltimore?

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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2020, 09:07:12 AM »
Apologies for the caps in title:

POLICE OFFICER TELLS PROUD BOYS TO HIDE INSIDE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO TEAR GAS PROTESTERS. THE OFFICER SAID HE WAS WARNING THEM "DISCREETLY" BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT PROTESTERS TO SEE POLICE "PLAY FAVORITES."

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gx3dur/police_officer_tells_proud_boys_to_hide_inside/

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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2020, 09:32:38 AM »
Apologies for the caps in title:

POLICE OFFICER TELLS PROUD BOYS TO HIDE INSIDE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO TEAR GAS PROTESTERS. THE OFFICER SAID HE WAS WARNING THEM "DISCREETLY" BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT PROTESTERS TO SEE POLICE "PLAY FAVORITES."

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gx3dur/police_officer_tells_proud_boys_to_hide_inside/
You have to admit it would be a great two-faced de-escalation tactic to go say the same thing to both sides. I have no idea what was going on here, but I have essentially seen that done before. As nutty and hateful as some people on both sides might be, faking a bit of solidarity might be a good option for getting everyone to go home without violence.

I've heard mediators say they have to walk a line between making someone believe that they are on their side and sympathetic to their interests and making everyone believe that they are fair and impartial. If it were me an the other side were armed, I'd probably try to find a respectful tone instead of pulling some Donald Trump style insults. You'll notice the big brave Trump never does that to people's face. In person he is generally flattering, complementary or deferential.

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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2020, 10:57:45 AM »
RTF - I sincerely hope you're right as it would mean the police are attempting to de-escalate these situations from becoming even worse. My concern is that "even worse" here means "even worse than the police themselves beating/tear gassing protesters".

At this point the police depts have very little credibility and they need to earn any credibility back. Hopefully as you say this was one of their attempts to do so.
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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2020, 11:03:08 AM »
RTF - I sincerely hope you're right as it would mean the police are attempting to de-escalate these situations from becoming even worse. My concern is that "even worse" here means "even worse than the police themselves beating/tear gassing protesters".

At this point the police depts have very little credibility and they need to earn any credibility back. Hopefully as you say this was one of their attempts to do so.
I'm not willing to spend time on this incident because there are many others to choose from, but I'm guessing that there's little to go on if I did fall down the rabbit hole of a link provided. As a result I'm not sure there's anyway for me to know now which is the truth, but we do know that the court of public opinion seems very quick to convict people on scant and misleading evidence.

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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2020, 11:06:12 AM »
Oh I agree - I only posted it because it is slightly different in the fact that it shows PDs can de-escalate (to certain groups, I suppose) and are therefore choosing not to.
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2020, 12:12:19 PM »
Oh I agree - I only posted it because it is slightly different in the fact that it shows PDs can de-escalate (to certain groups, I suppose) and are therefore choosing not to.
They are much more likely to de-escalate when facing superior firepower. There are lots of interesting stories from Miami in the 1980s.

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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2020, 01:05:54 PM »
Yep, which goes to the point earlier that there is a pattern of police abusing their power when given the opportunity.

Once the opportunity is taken away, suddenly they behave like partners of the community.
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Re: George Floyd
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2020, 01:15:10 PM »
Yea but you’re having it both ways. You claim police should be held to a higher standard but then add conditions to that.

What if Chauvin was the one fresh out of academy? Would that be ok since he was still green?

I am just pointing out that there is a big difference between a cop with 19 years experience who killed someone and someone who didnt do anything and has 4 DAYS experience as a police officer and his last job was working at Mcdonalds.

I just think that It is just a little extreme to charge him with a high crime. If he had been on the force for a number of years than it might be a little different.

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