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Title: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on August 01, 2019, 06:43:19 PM
You can mark my words.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Ahab on August 01, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
Of your local retirement home that is!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: MrB on August 02, 2019, 03:13:37 AM
It'll be fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on August 02, 2019, 03:44:13 AM
Hey all:

If Joe Biden had run 4 years ago, he would be President.

Time has come & gone though.  The Democrats (DNC) I don't think will allow it now.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on August 02, 2019, 03:47:18 AM
Rumors that he is already a zombie already were exaggerated as he became somewhat alive during the last debate.
From the retirement home Trio - Donald, Bernie and Joe, he is my favorite (or least despised). Tulsi looks match better though, especially when she sweats a little.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on August 02, 2019, 05:16:14 AM
Rumors that he is already a zombie already were exaggerated as he became somewhat alive during the last debate.
From the retirement home Trio - Donald, Bernie and Joe, he is my favorite (or least despised). Tulsi looks match better though, especially when she sweats a little.

I Like Tulsi's foreign policy. She loses me on everything else. I don't think Joe has a chance. The idea seems to be he will try to sound as much like Obama as possible and therefore draw all the previous voters to his base. I could see Corey Booker potentially getting the nomination. Although he is pretty much an admitted rapist who got ahead of the curve by saying "sorry" in a school paper. I think Kamala is completely finished...her track record and policies are terrible. Same goes for Warren, Bernie, Beto and Buttigige (his lack of separation of church and state worry me). Then there is Andrew Yang "An Asian who is good at math" ; who seemingly can't do the math on his own policies correctly. But his heart is in the right place  :P. Some of those other guys like Mr. Montana baffle me. They sound like left leaning republicans on a lot of their stances.

If they choose to go with Joe it's simply amazing. Didn't the democratic party want to get away from "old white men"? The guy is on stage talking about policies from the 70s!

Is it just me or is Michael Bennet the presidential version of Bill Murray?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Parsad on August 02, 2019, 01:38:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/opinions/when-did-barack-obama-become-a-republican-avlon/index.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Eye4Valu on August 02, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
Forget geriatric Joe, I want my $1,000.00 per month from Andrew Yang!!!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 17, 2019, 01:17:47 PM
I find it strange that 0bama tried to talk Biden, that he shouldn't run2020.


Quote
According to the Times, 0bama reportedly tried to gently nudge the former veep from entering the 2020 field during one of several chats the friends had ahead of Biden announcing his candidacy in April.

“You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t,” 0bama reportedly told Biden.

"
When they were done, Mr. Obama offered a pointed reminder, according to two people with knowledge of his comments:

Win or lose, they needed to make sure Mr. Biden did not “embarrass himself” or “damage his legacy” during the campaign."

https://www.spin.com/2019/08/obama-warned-biden-staff-dont-embarrass-himself/
Because he´s worried about his legacy...

That sounds like a BS. More likely he is trying to make it easier to moochelle enter the race.

https://youtu.be/F3LwOxcY6W4?t=332
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 17, 2019, 01:38:48 PM
You can mark my words.

Cardboard
https://youtu.be/8bfIT-tNM8Q?t=610
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 17, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
Its not really a secret Obama thinks Biden is a putz, but saw him as the necessary establishment white guy he needed to round out his ticket in 08. By second term, Biden wasn't really needed anymore.

Its also not much of a secret Obamas preference is for Koomala Harris.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on August 18, 2019, 02:04:07 AM


Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on August 18, 2019, 05:34:29 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.
I vividly remember watching the vice-presidential debate in 2012 and recalled it reading your post as, to me, 2012 appears to have been a missed opportunity. During the debate and in closing remarks, Mr. Paul Ryan gave what could be considered incomplete answers but the answers contained seeds of reform. In the same remarks, Mr. Joe Biden offered peace of mind.

After listening to the conclusion, I wondered: "How can you win an election with such a Zombie answer?"
Conclusion: I have poor ability to predict election results. But sometimes zombies win.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on August 19, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.
I vividly remember watching the vice-presidential debate in 2012 and recalled it reading your post as, to me, 2012 appears to have been a missed opportunity. During the debate and in closing remarks, Mr. Paul Ryan gave what could be considered incomplete answers but the answers contained seeds of reform. In the same remarks, Mr. Joe Biden offered peace of mind.

After listening to the conclusion, I wondered: "How can you win an election with such a Zombie answer?"
Conclusion: I have poor ability to predict election results. But sometimes zombies win.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate

Indeed. The silent majority not participating in CoBF still has a say in things.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 19, 2019, 07:14:12 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.

Bernie's a fired up socialist, Biden's always in his own head thinking about little girls.
And how poor kids compare to white kids.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 19, 2019, 08:21:29 AM
He may be a "democratic socialist" but you have to admire that he actually gets out there on the streets:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/19/bernie-sanders-labor-protest-2020-1455151
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 19, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
He may be a "democratic socialist" but you have to admire that he actually gets out there on the streets:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/19/bernie-sanders-labor-protest-2020-1455151

I'll criticize his ideas all day long, but I have nothing negative to say about his enthusiasm.  Especially at his age.  Too bad he's so wrong.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 19, 2019, 09:14:17 AM
I'd agree with his criticisms but I'd say he's about 50/50 in terms of realistic solutions. His "wall street trading tax" for example is simply unrealistic. But, actually enforcing our tax law on the wealthiest corporations and individuals is a good idea.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 20, 2019, 03:34:52 AM
“... how poor kids compare to white kids.”
?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 20, 2019, 05:53:09 AM
“... how poor kids compare to white kids.”
?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html


I know this got some publicity, but just imagine if Trump had recently said this.  Do you think there is a chance in hell that you wouldn't have heard about it?  Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party and the press just never mentions it.  Do some searching for dumb Biden quotes, you can read all day.


""You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking"
 --Joe Biden

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 20, 2019, 07:49:55 AM
Yeah, but don't overlook the entertainment value :)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 20, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
Yeah, but don't overlook the entertainment value :)

Yes, there is always that.  :)

Although I find Trump more amusing, because he make the press go ballistic, whereas the press ignores anything Biden says and does, and pretends they didn't hear or see it.  "Nope I didn't hear another racist comment or see him with his hands all over a little girl...."

If a president says something crazy and no one reports it, is it even entertaining?


Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 06, 2019, 08:27:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFIIVScvls



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 07, 2019, 09:03:44 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 09, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

Which is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 09, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

With is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Only hope is an independent or impeachment. Both are extremely doubtful
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 09, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

With is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Only hope is an independent or impeachment. Both are extremely doubtful

Yes.  It is probably for the best anyway.  Both Trump and any of the D's will be a disaster on both foreign policy and domestically.  In different ways, but both horrible.  But with Ruth Bader Ginsburg's health status, I'd rather have Trump nominating someone to the Supreme Court than any of the the Democrats.

Not only will a Trump nominee be far more likely to protect the 2nd Amendment, but with the left's current disdain for the 1st Amendment I think a constitutional conservative would be better from almost every angle.    I know there is abortion to worry about, but Roe-v-Wade isn't going to be repealed. And even in the worse case if it were, only a handful of southern states in the bible belt would change their abortion laws.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Vish_ram on September 23, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
Biden looks like a spent force. Physically he looks tired, displays an impotent rage, a mere ghost of his former self, looks shriveled & diminutive, doesn't show a fighting spirit.

Warren is hitting her stride, with vigor, passion and on message. I've never seen Biden hit hard on Trump's corruption. Biden looks like male version of Hillary. Where's the sense of outrage?

I wont be surprised if Warren became D's nominee.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 23, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
You are having trouble honoring your student loans?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 24, 2019, 06:20:57 AM
I'm not a fan of Biden (see all of my above posts), but I hope he's the nominee.  On the off chance that Trump loses, Biden will do the least harm out of the bunch of them*.   It will be pretty much business as usual with him.  He's the only one in the bunch who isn't stock raving mad.

*ps: I like Tulsi better, but she isn't a blood thirsty warmonger so her party will make sure she isn't picked.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on September 24, 2019, 06:31:55 AM

Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity.

After Trump, Warren would seem like a divine voice of rationality with the economic wisdom rivaled only by the other warren.  Seriously, compared to the total shit storm that we got now? Common.




Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 24, 2019, 06:45:13 AM

Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity.

After Trump, Warren would seem like a divine voice of rationality with the economic wisdom rivaled only by the other warren.  Seriously, compared to the total shit storm that we got now? Common.

Have you ever been on a fracking pad or near one? I have been on many as in HS for a summer job I drove all over North Central PA in a Jeep Wrangler taking ground water samples. The amount of precautions they take are extreme. If anyone ever screws up on the pad or spills some chemical etc. they are generally immediately fired then a long arduous cleanup process begins. I'd be willing to bet there is more pollution in your local Walmart parking lot from leaking engines and exhaust than on a well pad.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 24, 2019, 07:40:18 AM
"Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity."

It is amazing the level of propaganda that has been going on. By the way, the original anti-fracking film was funded by Russia so hopefully it tells you something. Lots of lies in there.

It is also very interesting to hear from a European who would not let his family live in a farm field with an oil well drilled 2,000 feet below ground but, who would let his family live by highly poluted rivers, diesel infested air, next to a nuclear reactor and such dense population that any dangerous, untreatable flu would cause all of them to die.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on September 26, 2019, 12:48:34 PM
Not sure it's going to be "Good Ole Joe". You might want to pick from this list:

US Order of Presidential Succession

No.   Office      Current officer
1   Vice President      Mike Pence (R)
2   Speaker of the House of Representatives      Nancy Pelosi (D)
3   President Pro Tempore of the Senate      Chuck Grassley (R)
4   Secretary of State      Mike Pompeo (R)
5   Secretary of the Treasury      Steven Mnuchin (R)
6   Secretary of Defense      Mark Esper (R)
7   Attorney General      William P. Barr (R)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 27, 2019, 08:07:43 AM
Not sure it's going to be "Good Ole Joe". You might want to pick from this list:

US Order of Presidential Succession

No.   Office      Current officer
1   Vice President      Mike Pence (R)
2   Speaker of the House of Representatives      Nancy Pelosi (D)
3   President Pro Tempore of the Senate      Chuck Grassley (R)
4   Secretary of State      Mike Pompeo (R)
5   Secretary of the Treasury      Steven Mnuchin (R)
6   Secretary of Defense      Mark Esper (R)
7   Attorney General      William P. Barr (R)

If that isn't scary, I don't know what is.  Let the big dumb Orangeman finish his term.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 27, 2019, 08:29:31 AM
I am fine with 8 years of Mike Pence from now on.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on September 27, 2019, 08:44:21 AM
Pence is implicated as participating in the Ukraine shakedown, so it is not clear how that will work out for him.

I am fine with 8 years of Mike Pence from now on.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on November 25, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
I assume you'd prefer someone who's more presidential than Trump?

When you look those two dudes, their faces says it all!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKKptxvX0AEizI3?format=jpg&name=medium)

 ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 02, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 02, 2019, 02:31:38 PM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)

Yeah, saw that on Twitter. Can someone explain to me what this means? I guess I don’t do enough drugs.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 02, 2019, 07:41:29 PM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)

Yeah, saw that on Twitter. Can someone explain to me what this means? I guess I don’t do enough drugs.

Smelling kids, or the weird speech about his leg hair?  If it's smelling kids, just google it there are hundreds of videos and photos of him being creepy with children, usually involving him sniffing them as he rubs or touches   them inappropriately while they have horrified looks on their faces. If it's the leg hair speech only Joe knows.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 03, 2019, 04:54:51 AM
His best chance is to keep his mouth shut and hope that the other candidates all collapse by shooting themselves in the foot. If he were to be elected, it would mean 4 years of doing basically nothing, which actually would be an improvment from the current situation.
 https://youtu.be/J6VjPM5CeWs (https://youtu.be/J6VjPM5CeWs)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 04, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
Smart girl

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-_YQi1UcAEBWyh?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on December 06, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
Calling potential voters “fat”, "damn liar,”  and “too old" isn't necessarily winning strategy!


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/biden-calls-iowa-voter-damn-liar-and-fat-after-ukraine-accusation.html? (contains video, check it  out)!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 06, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
Calling potential voters “fat”, "damn liar,”  and “too old" isn't necessarily winning strategy!


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/biden-calls-iowa-voter-damn-liar-and-fat-after-ukraine-accusation.html? (contains video, check it  out)!

He did also challenge the man to feats of strength in keeping with the Festivus season. Frank Costanza would be proud.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 06, 2019, 05:03:43 PM
Smart girl

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-_YQi1UcAEBWyh?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Her parents aren’t that smart for letting her run around in this shirt and a MAGA cap.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on February 10, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
Just in case if some of you (Joe fans) ain't gonna read Ukraine topic.

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/the-president-bribery-and-ukraine/msg395189/#msg395189
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 12, 2020, 06:06:24 AM
Not looking good for creepy Uncle Joe.  The title of this thread aside, I doubt there is a single timeline in the entire multiverse where this guy becomes president.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 12, 2020, 06:11:37 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 12, 2020, 07:00:47 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.

Yes, and surprisingly publically calling a woman a "lying dog-faced pony soldier" didn't turn everything around.  I thought for sure people would be like "I never liked Biden before, you know, touching kids and all.  But when I saw him call that woman a lying dog-faced pony soldier I just knew he had my vote."
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2020, 09:45:55 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.

Joe is collateral damage from impeachment - by pursuing Trump with a fake impeachment hoax - the Democrats put the spotlight
on the real influence peddling scandal of Hunter Biden/Burisma and Uncle Joe's cover. Nothing like eating your own.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 25, 2020, 10:25:22 AM
"Where am I? What am I running for? Where are the little girls? Who am I? Am I me or am I the other Biden?"

OK, I'm exaggerating. He only said some of those things.

"Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has raised concern after he delivered a confused campaign speech in South Carolina, saying he was a “candidate for the United States Senate”

"Look me over, if you like what you see, help out. If not, vote for the other Biden"

Joe Biden tells crowd ‘I’m a candidate for the United States Senate’ in confused campaign speech
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-speech-senate-south-carolina-democratic-primary-video-election-2020-a9356366.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 05:06:40 PM
Virtually any frontrunner could be considered too old for almost any job:

Biden -77 years old, appears often not quite there.
Sanders - 78, heart attack
Bloomberg - 78 years old
Trump - 73 (almost 74), clinically obese.

I think the millennials really need to step up their game and bring someone forward like Kennedy in the 60’s if they want to change the way things are going.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 25, 2020, 05:34:33 PM
Virtually any frontrunner could be considered too old for almost any job:

Biden -77 years old, appears often not quite there.
Sanders - 78, heart attack
Bloomberg - 78 years old
Trump - 73 (almost 74), clinically obese.

I think the millennials really need to step up their game and bring someone forward like Kennedy in the 60’s if they want to change the way things are going.


There's old and there's old. Charlie Munger is 96 and yet doesn't ramble on about the other Munger.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 25, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/biden-says-he-worked-on-2016-climate-accord-with-leader-who-died-in-1997/

#OnlyJoe
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 05:56:42 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/biden-says-he-worked-on-2016-climate-accord-with-leader-who-died-in-1997/

#OnlyJoe

Trump pulls the same things. like for example when he implied Kansas City being in the state of Kansas.
 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/us/politics/trump-kansas-city-chiefs-tweet.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/us/politics/trump-kansas-city-chiefs-tweet.html)

I guess there is a reason why we never get to see his school records. He probably would fail the US citizen test as well.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on February 25, 2020, 06:20:45 PM
Despite the heart attack Bernie's mind still seems fresh. He and Bloomy seem the sharpest out of that list.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 06:24:30 PM
Despite the heart attack Bernie's mind still seems fresh. He and Bloomy seem the sharpest out of that list.

I agree, Mentally, Bernie and Bloomberg are like spring chicken compared to Biden.
Anyways, Biden doesn’t look well in the debate tonight and if he does bad in South Carolina, he is probably going to fumble Super Tuesday and then he is done.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 29, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Joe gets a big win in South Carolina, and the media gets back on its "paint the narrative" horse.

Folks, meet Hunter the artist!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-artist-town-name-biden-151434578.html

Humbly working from his thrifty enclave in the Hollywood Hills!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 01, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
Joe gets a big win in South Carolina, and the media gets back on its "paint the narrative" horse.

Folks, meet Hunter the artist!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-artist-town-name-biden-151434578.html

Humbly working from his thrifty enclave in the Hollywood Hills!

The world would be better of if Trump Jr took up painting and Ivanka started an artisan business marking leather handbags and otherwise would never be heard off.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 02, 2020, 07:02:56 AM
I actually hope Biden is the eventual nominee.  For one, he is a lot less dangerous than Sanders.  I don't feel comfortable with Sanders that close to the presidency.   And Two, as I've said before, Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party, the Trump - Biden debates are going to be epic.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 03, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Our creator: 

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”
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Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 03, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
Joe is def gift that keeps on giving. https://youtu.be/L4ytSI4PFm4?t=93
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 03, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
Joe is def gift that keeps on giving. https://youtu.be/L4ytSI4PFm4?t=93

Imagine the economic boom if 750M women get back to work?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 03, 2020, 05:39:34 PM
On the other hand:
 https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21 (https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21)

Simple word decency, something that is sorely lacking with Trump. And Trump has just as many brain farts than Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cherzeca on March 03, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
On the other hand:
 https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21 (https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21)

Simple word decency, something that is sorely lacking with Trump. And Trump has just as many brain farts than Biden.

good god, isn't decency oversold in a potus? we dont need a daddy to tell us how to live, we need a sonuvabitch to bring back jobs from overseas for daddy to work.  if you want decency, think back to jimmy in a sweater telling up he had adultery in his heart
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on March 03, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 03, 2020, 10:34:36 PM
Bloomberg's supporters would be voting for Biden if Bloomberg weren't in the race. 

At this point, Bloomberg is helping Bernie.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 04, 2020, 05:27:11 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

Bernie was a tail risk for the stock market that is now substantially reduced.

US elections are a binary affair. Almost anything can happen. I also think that the Covid-19 epidemic - how the economy develops and how the government handles it will play into the election outcome.

Bloomberg’s delegates will probably go towards Biden too. He also will quit the Race - his big bet on Super Tuesday didn’t work out.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 04, 2020, 05:31:03 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

One of the main reasons I started pairing down exposure in October with the end exposure reduction target being February was the Dem nomination process and the potential for a wild socialist candidate. I think we even had a few threads here about a Warren presidency, etc. Going from Trump and great economy to Socialist and Recession would indeed be devastating to markets.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 06:04:02 AM
If Biden gets the nomination the upcoming debates between Trump and him age going to be epic shit shows. The subsequent SNL parodies are going to be glorious  ;D.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 06:17:30 AM
I actually hope Biden is the eventual nominee.  For one, he is a lot less dangerous than Sanders.  I don't feel comfortable with Sanders that close to the presidency.   And Two, as I've said before, Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party, the Trump - Biden debates are going to be epic.

To reply to my own post:  I am pleasantly surprised Biden came out so strong yesterday.  Not that I want him to be president, but I consider him to be the lesser of all the evils on the Democratic side.  Neither a Biden presidency or another 4 years of Trump will be a disaster.  And the debates will be great.  Who ever wins the general election we are guaranteed multiply daily facepalms during the election and 4 more years of hilarity afterwards.

All and all the best outcome that could be hoped for with this crop of candidates.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 04, 2020, 07:26:21 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 07:50:53 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points. 

That's a shame.  I was hoping he'd stay in and spend more of his fortune running pointless TV ads.  :(
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 07:55:50 AM
It's interesting to note that Bernie would have won a few more states if Warren wasn't still in the race.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 07:57:13 AM
It's interesting to note that Bernie would have won a few more states if Warren wasn't still in the race.

Warren reassessing campaign after disappointing Super Tuesday
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485898-warren-reassessing-campaign-after-disappointing-super-tuesday

Bloomberg dropping out helps Biden, Warren dropping out would help Sanders.  I wonder if the party will put pressure on her to stay in until the end?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on March 04, 2020, 08:13:49 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

Bernie was a tail risk for the stock market that is now substantially reduced.

US elections are a binary affair. Almost anything can happen. I also think that the Covid-19 epidemic - how the economy develops and how the government handles it will play into the election outcome.

Bloomberg’s delegates will probably go towards Biden too. He also will quit the Race - his big bet on Super Tuesday didn’t work out.

I think health care was a key issue that got the Democrats control of the House 18 months ago. I agree Coronovirus is shaping up to be THE issue moving forward; it does not look good for Trump. But as we have seen, things can change overnight :-)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 04, 2020, 09:37:41 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 

That's going to be a hard sell when your #1 issue by a long mile is disarming the American people.  But however he tries to brand himself running as an independent is still an option for him.  He certainly has the cash and is obviously willing to spend it.  Unlike Perot thought, he isn't any different from the major party candidates in any significant way.  He won't make much of an impact.   Perot was laser focused on the debt and deficit and had some things to say that no major party candidate was saying.  Bloomberg is just another politician saying the same old things.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 04, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 

That's going to be a hard sell when your #1 issue by a long mile is disarming the American people.  But however he tries to brand himself running as an independent is still an option for him.  He certainly has the cash and is obviously willing to spend it.  Unlike Perot thought, he isn't any different from the major party candidates in any significant way.  He won't make much of an impact.   Perot was laser focused on the debt and deficit and had some things to say that no major party candidate was saying.  Bloomberg is just another politician saying the same old things.

I would say that about Joe, but not Bloomberg.  :D  but i agree, his apology tour (https://youtu.be/G1vF6M34-ns?t=51) was phony as hell.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on March 04, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.

So Bloomberg was playing 4D Chess? I don't buy that for a minute. If that were true then he would have simply lobbied for Trump who is better for his "war chest" than any of the democrats. Why beat around the bush waste time, humiliate yourself and spend 600m when you could just give your endorsement?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 04, 2020, 04:38:09 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.

So Bloomberg was playing 4D Chess? I don't buy that for a minute. If that were true then he would have simply lobbied for Trump who is better for his "war chest" than any of the democrats. Why beat around the bush waste time, humiliate yourself and spend 600m when you could just give your endorsement?

I think it was just a gamble for him. He spent like $500M (tax deductible I presume) with a net worth of $50B (or more) that’s just 1% of his net worth. He is 78 and can’t take it with him, so in that sense, I guess the gamble was worth it for him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 05, 2020, 08:13:23 AM
And another one's gone

Elizabeth Warren ends presidential run
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1150436

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 05, 2020, 08:58:19 AM
In coming months it will be fun to watch when all those f*ckers  go after Bernie & his campaign. They're already comparing his campaign to the coronavirus and rise of the Nazis.  :D

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/bernie-lets-loose-on-corporate-media-after-super-tuesday-stumble-this-campaign-has-been-compared-to-the-coronavirus/

*dem establishment & fake news media
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 05, 2020, 10:04:04 AM
If Bernie really wanted to screw with them, he could go as a 3rd party candidate. Trump would almost certainly win then. Bernie is crazy, but I like the guy. I don't like the Democrats ganging up on him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 06, 2020, 07:06:30 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 06, 2020, 07:13:13 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

Don't worry.  Trump is always talking and tweeting.  I wouldn't expect that to stop simply because he has nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 06, 2020, 07:24:57 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 06, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.

It is a parody of Trump, who constantly talks about the stock market as a measure of his prowess.

Google search for "idiot" and then click 'Images'.  Yes, they are all images of Trump.  Idiotic for sure.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 06, 2020, 07:30:38 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.

It is a parody of Trump, who constantly talks about the stock market as a measure of his prowess.

Google search for "idiot" and then click 'Images'.  Yes, they are all images of Trump.  Idiotic for sure.
:D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 08, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
One of my favorites.
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1236697054426075136

oh boy...

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1236695459130998785

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 10, 2020, 01:58:06 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 10, 2020, 04:34:30 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 10, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?

Biden clearly doesn’t understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

Also

That guys was definitely looking to get a rise out of Biden.

Lastly

Why try to entrap Biden into saying something he has said a million times on record?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 10, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
Anyways, Biden won Michigan and a few other states on Mini Tuesday, so Sanders is done for good. So it is indeed Ole Joe Biden against Donnie T. Enjoy the show.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 10, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 10, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 10, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

People thought Trump would be a disaster. He hasn't been a total disaster.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 11, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

People thought Trump would be a disaster. He hasn't been a total disaster.

For much different reasons though.  People didn't think Trump would be a disaster because he was opposed to the economic system that has lifted billions out of poverty and supported one that has murdered hundreds of millions in one century.  They just thought he was crude and stupid (which he is).

Funny to nominate Biden though if you don't like crude and stupid.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on March 11, 2020, 06:12:30 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 11, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xhNSH5Pns4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sc4cWUCaBk
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 11, 2020, 07:51:14 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 11, 2020, 08:10:32 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719

Collectively there is about half a brain between Trump and Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?

The screwed him in 2016 (actually fed questions to Clinton before the debate).

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donna-brazile-wikileaks-fallout-230553


And they convinced these guys to drop out right before Super Tuesday and endorse Biden to stop Sanders. Talk about a democracy.

I personally don't think Sanders would be that bad because there are a lot things in place to stop foolishness. I do think we need to be more vigilant of the middle class getting destroyed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on March 11, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Jesus, what a bunch of cry babies the Bernie ppl are. The difference between Bernie winning and loosing the 2016 primary was one question at one debate?

Now people aren't allowed to drop out of primaries because that doesn't help Bernie? Just like Trump. When you can't win start yelling RIGGED! RIGGED!

You know what else the the Democrats did to Bernie? They let him compete in the primary even though he wasn't a member of the party. If I was in their place I sure as shit wouldn't have allowed it. You wanna be the leader of the party? Wear the fucking hat.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
Jesus, what a bunch of cry babies the Bernie ppl are. The difference between Bernie winning and loosing the 2016 primary was one question at one debate?

Now people aren't allowed to drop out of primaries because that doesn't help Bernie? Just like Trump. When you can't win start yelling RIGGED! RIGGED!

You know what else the the Democrats did to Bernie? They let him compete in the primary even though he wasn't a member of the party. If I was in their place I sure as shit wouldn't have allowed it. You wanna be the leader of the party? Wear the fucking hat.

It wasn't just "one question."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 11, 2020, 12:25:32 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OBlffJbBEQ
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719

I agree with you. At least GOP let the groundswell happen. They let the people speak. Like I said, I think the media will be harder on Trump which acts somewhat of a hedge against him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 11, 2020, 04:27:33 PM
I bet a lot of Republicans wish they had allowed Trump to be impeached. It would have increased their chances to stay in power.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 13, 2020, 06:24:19 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 13, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

It's unfortunate how corrupt the system is. :(

Stuff like this makes me want Bernie. I think this kinda stuff continues under Biden or Trump. If people want rewards, they should also bear the risk.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 13, 2020, 08:32:04 AM
More paranoia:  Trump makes it all about him (narcissism again).  The world is out to get him, don't you know.


Trump watched angrily from the West Wing Thursday as stock markets tumbled to their worst percentage loss since the 1987 Black Friday, casting blame on the Federal Reserve for what he increasingly believes is an attempt to ruin his presidency.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/trump-coronavirus-statement-markets/index.html

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 13, 2020, 06:26:06 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

I think liquidity should be available, but at a high price. Similar deal like with Warren Buffet
 Buffet, 10% yielding preferred and equity warrants. If they don’t need it, fine, if they can get a better deal at private markets then there really isn’t a problem. How much did the airlines spent on buybacks and dividends the last few years? If you are an airline exec, things like this should be part of the course of business, as they are roughly 10 year events. If you can’t last past those, you shouldn’t be in business.

Cruise lines are even worse. Their ships sail under a Liberian flag (or other low regulation/low cost flag), and they don’t really pay US taxes, nor is any US citizen or person employed on these ships, they are all Indian or phillipinos. Which is fine, but one shouldn’t even consider bailing them out. they should go to the Liberian government asking for help and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on March 13, 2020, 06:45:14 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

Cruise lines are even worse. Their ships sail under a Liberian flag (or other low regulation/low cost flag), Nd they don’t rally pay US taxes, nor is art any US citizen or person employed on these ships, they are all Indian or phillipinos. Which is fine, but one shouldn’t even consider bailing them out. they should go to the Liberian government asking for help Nd see how it goes.

+1

Not to mention why they sail under foreign flags, since those countries have extremely lax labor laws. They can get away with paying their workers chump change. Those workers have a terrible lifestyle.  The worst part is the workers aren't even allowed to eat the food made for customers. And we all know how much food is wasted on these ships. They have their own bland, basic meals that they're provided. I'm a libertarian and it still irks me. At least treat people humanely.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: dwy000 on March 13, 2020, 09:04:58 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 22, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.

No, of course, it won't.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/

This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on March 23, 2020, 04:30:14 AM
"There will be liquidity available."
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
No, of course, it won't.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/
This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
BTW, (opinion), we all do that to a certain degree, a degree that can reach many standard deviations from the norm in some people.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 23, 2020, 05:45:43 AM
"There will be liquidity available."
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
No, of course, it won't.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/
This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
BTW, (opinion), we all do that to a certain degree, a degree that can reach many standard deviations from the norm in some people.

Indeed. Us thinking participants have limited ability to perceive objective reality. I'd also add that if by coincidence we do have the ability to be somewhat more flexible and go 180 on our own opinions, it's simply because we were born with way.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on March 23, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
Indeed. Us thinking participants have limited ability to perceive objective reality. I'd also add that if by coincidence we do have the ability to be somewhat more flexible and go 180 on our own opinions, it's simply because we were born with way.
Indeed. One has to balance the ability to change opinion with evolving facts while retaining the immunity to remain enslaved to the thoughts of a defunct economist.  :)

You may remember that we had a previous exchange in this thread about Mr. Biden’s odds. I had raised the theory that Mr. Biden could be the “peace of mind” or “zombie” candidate. I’m still not sure how to integrate this into individual security investment decisions but the Market behaves more and more like a drug addict, requiring both a huge and unprecedented monetary and fiscal boost in the same day, to avoid seeing red. All I can say is that drug addicts tend to be unpredictable and unreliable so I’m not sure what kind of candidate the world’s greatest nation needs. A war time president?

BTW, around the kitchen table yesterday (almost everybody’s home now), the following topic came up: let’s say the government sends one-time and periodic checks to everyone, who’s going to pay? I remained silent and thought all answers were unsatisfactory, given that the “pay” part will be inversely proportional to one’s age. Sometimes it’s better not to know?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on March 23, 2020, 08:38:32 AM
BTW, around the kitchen table yesterday (almost everybody’s home now), the following topic came up: let’s say the government sends one-time and periodic checks to everyone, who’s going to pay?

"Money is an illusion, grasshopper" - Not Karl Marx
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: hillfronter83 on March 23, 2020, 09:16:52 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.

It seems many areas haven't been hit hard by voronavirus yet.

https://www.newsweek.com/if-55-americans-are-okay-how-trump-handling-coronavirus-why-are-so-many-people-online-rage-1493428
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 24, 2020, 06:02:49 AM
 Cigarbutt

It would be really disappointing if all we get is a Biden after all this mess. I was really hoping that if things get really bad we'll be seeing a real change... oh well, better than nothing (read: Trump) as long as he works to strengthen the institutions, so it won't be that easy to take them down when the next psycho becomes president.




Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 24, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
Cigarbutt

It would be really disappointing if all we get is a Biden after all this mess. I was really hoping that if things get really bad we'll be seeing a real change... oh well, better than nothing (read: Trump) as long as he works to strengthen the institutions, so it won't be that easy to take them down when the next psycho becomes president.

I've previously been saying that Trump will win, but things have changed so radically that I'm not sure what will happen.  I wouldn't put money on Trump winning, so we could end up with an old senile kiddy grabber instead.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on April 08, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on April 08, 2020, 11:57:50 AM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

Oh, man that is incredible!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on April 08, 2020, 12:00:31 PM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco


Sanders Fails To Sexually Harass Enough Women To Win Race
https://unsubscribedmedia.com/2020/04/08/sanders-fails-to-sexually-harass-enough-women-to-win-race/

"I apologize for making exactly zero percent of you feel uncomfortable, or even slightly scared to be near me."
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on May 05, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
Good vid on the Biden sexual scandal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxCbPc6fYA
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 05:27:24 AM
If this is the best accuser Trump, Putin, Jacob Wohl and their minions could come up with against Biden, then he [Biden] can have my vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 03, 2020, 08:35:50 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 03, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 03, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?
Effective policing is much more difficult a nut to crack that most people realize. It not the first time someone thought of the shooting in the leg proposition. Neither is it the first time someone has rejected the idea of shooting in the leg with a long list of objections.

Even George Floyd might be much closer to an unintentional tragedy than most people realize.

Plus, when you combine everything that's been going on in the country with the fact that some police forces have had serious problems with Coronavirus sickening or killing officers, it's a situation that is ripe for mistakes. Personally, I wouldn't want to go around hugging random members of the public right now when you have no idea who has the virus and who doesn't. In some parts of the county the virus risk to a cop is low, in other parts of the country it's not. I think we are lucky we have not seen more tragedies.

Another issue is that Trump has been dehumanizing many members of society, and we are seeing police attacks on media members in a way that has never been seen in America before. In my opinion this instances are likely caused by cops who are FoxNews viewers, or Trump rally attendees who believe all the hatred spewed at "mainstream media".

I have not noticed any attacks on FoxNews reporters yet.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 03, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 03, 2020, 12:08:17 PM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 03, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL
Well it's standard police practice in most of the civilized world outside of North America. Seems to work just fine. But sure.... liberals.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 03, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL

I actually took a self defense class / handgun training class years and they taught to stop the “stop the threat” and pretty much to empty the clip and kill the opponent more or less.

It’s different in Germany and the rest of Europe (I am familiar with the gun practice there, because my dad was hunter and had handguns, which is unusual in Germany) and threatening the use of handgun before actually use lethal force or disabling the opponent is strongly encouraged.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Ice77 on June 03, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
The age old debate..
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 06:27:15 AM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o

I agree with you on everything other than you should be shooting at peoples legs.  To solve the police problem we need to

1) Stop issuing military equipment to police.
2) Get rid of qualified immunity. If a 21 year old black guy with baggy pants couldn't make that shot and have it be ruled justified than a police officer shouldn't either. No more cops shooting unarmed men in the back or lying on the ground in a hallway with their hands in the air begging "please don't shoot me".
3) Require police wear body cameras and make it a felony to turn off a body camera while interacting in anyway with the public.
4) End no knock warrants.
5) End the war on drugs and legalize all victimless crimes.
6) Train police to de-escalate rather than use violence as a first option.
7) Have police work like fire and rescue. Sit in the station and wait until someone calls them for help.
8) Stop firing police officers who cross the blue line to speak out or stop bad cops from hurting people.  In fact it should be an accomodation to arrest a fellow officer for wrong doing.
9) Outlaw police unions.  (all public unions actually, but especially police unions, they work for us and we should be able to fire them individually when necessary).

That would be a good start.  To really solve the problem would be to get rid of police entirely and leave protection and security to the free market.  (I know, and I don't want to start this discussion here).

The problems with shooting for the legs is mainly that you could still hit an artery and kill the person, so you should never shoot anyone unless killing him is justified.  And since when you are shooting someone and you believe killing him is justified, then you shouldn't shoot for the legs because:  1) A leg is small and usually in motion.  It is hard enough to hit a man-sized target center of mass when under stress, shooting for something as small as a leg is almost impossible if you aren't Annie Oakley.   Second as you mentioned over penetration is a problem, but a lot of rounds that miss a small target like the legs is more of a problem.  3rd, someone attacking you pumped up on adrenaline shot in the leg can still come after you most of the time and can certainly shoot back at you.   If you are justified in killing someone in self defense your best chance for survival is to shoot center of mass.  If you are not justified in killing someone then you are not justified in shooting them in the leg.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 06:35:42 AM
I want to add that when police were given tasers it was thought that they would finally have a non-lethal way of stopping people, but some people did die when tasers were used on them, and police have been  on video using the tasers to torture people who were not a threat to them, even handcuffed suspects lying on the ground.  When police think something is non-lethal they abuse it more than when they think it is lethal.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on June 04, 2020, 06:43:03 AM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o

I agree with you on everything other than you should be shooting at peoples legs.  To solve the police problem we need to

1) Stop issuing military equipment to police.
2) Get rid of qualified immunity. If a 21 year old black guy with baggy pants couldn't make that shot and have it be ruled justified than a police officer shouldn't either. No more cops shooting unarmed men in the back or lying on the ground in a hallway with their hands in the air begging "please don't shoot me".
3) Require police wear body cameras and make it a felony to turn off a body camera while interacting in anyway with the public.
4) End no knock warrants.
5) End the war on drugs and legalize all victimless crimes.
6) Train police to de-escalate rather than use violence as a first option.
7) Have police work like fire and rescue. Sit in the station and wait until someone calls them for help.
8) Stop firing police officers who cross the blue line to speak out or stop bad cops from hurting people.  In fact it should be an accomodation to arrest a fellow officer for wrong doing.
9) Outlaw police unions.  (all public unions actually, but especially police unions, they work for us and we should be able to fire them individually when necessary).

That would be a good start.  To really solve the problem would be to get rid of police entirely and leave protection and security to the free market.  (I know, and I don't want to start this discussion here).

The problems with shooting for the legs is mainly that you could still hit an artery and kill the person, so you should never shoot anyone unless killing him is justified.  And since when you are shooting someone and you believe killing him is justified, then you shouldn't shoot for the legs because:  1) A leg is small and usually in motion.  It is hard enough to hit a man-sized target center of mass when under stress, shooting for something as small as a leg is almost impossible if you aren't Annie Oakley.   Second as you mentioned over penetration is a problem, but a lot of rounds that miss a small target like the legs is more of a problem.  3rd, someone attacking you pumped up on adrenaline shot in the leg can still come after you most of the time and can certainly shoot back at you.   If you are justified in killing someone in self defense your best chance for survival is to shoot center of mass.  If you are not justified in killing someone then you are not justified in shooting them in the leg.

Excellent list! Even if I don't agree with you on other things, if you are ever up for police commissioner you have my vote!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 04, 2020, 06:53:05 AM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8]. I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 04, 2020, 07:00:26 AM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8). I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.

Yeah, you have to have cops on the street. I also think that there are scenarios in which cops need access to more "fire power". However, the rules or limitations for when they could be utilized deserves a look. Unions are a big issue in the public sector. Nothing under tax payer dollars should have that type of protection. Who's serving who?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 04, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
Also a good listen on politics and media in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9Tpf5Uuxs
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 07:11:46 AM
Excellent list! Even if I don't agree with you on other things, if you are ever up for police commissioner you have my vote!

LOL,  Thanks for your support, but I doubt I'll be police commissioner any time soon. 

I should have added that to my list:

10) Make me police commissioner.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 04, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8). I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.

Yeah, you have to have cops on the street. I also think that there are scenarios in which cops need access to more "fire power". However, the rules or limitations for when they could be utilized deserves a look. Unions are a big issue in the public sector. Nothing under tax payer dollars should have that type of protection. Who's serving who?

The biggest impact of unions in public service jobs is that they basically determine who can be hired. They protect “bad apples” amongst themselves. It’s one thing in desk jobs, but it’s quite another when literally lives are on the line.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 05, 2020, 03:14:25 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-strongest-challenger-in-modern-history-as-protests-coronavirus-send-trump-reeling-160925201.html

Biden is the strongest challenger in modern history, and the stock market seems to like the idea.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 09, 2020, 10:07:22 AM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 09, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!

LOL, now is the time to elect the drug warrior who wrote the crime bill in the 90s and a super cop.  I have no love for the Orange Fuhrer, but I don't want a cop anywhere near the Whitehouse.
 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 09, 2020, 02:24:54 PM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!

It has previously been revealed that Rep. Val Deming is being vetted for V.P..  She served as Chief of Police in Orlando, Florida. 

Romney would be a great choice.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 09, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
Romney is never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 04:42:24 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/06/11/student-loans-biden-forgiveness-college/

So, Biden wants to create further wealth inequality by forgiving loans for people who are already making more money (only about 1/3 of Americans have a 4 year degree and only about 60% have any college)? Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

What about those that didn't go to college or even dropped out of high school? What about those that worked and paid down loans? Why are the people who are most likely in higher paying job getting another advantage?

Screw 'em, right, Joe?

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 08:27:38 AM
Also think about how many of those people without degrees chose to forgo them because they made a responsible decision and deemed them either unaffordable, or not worth the money....Seems like in every corner of the universe, we are rewarding(or bailing out) risk takers.

My wife has some student loans. She's had them consistently rearranged to make payments as small as possible, because of the very real possibility that they will eventually be forgiven.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

How do you square that statement? If life was fair? Your father presumably worked hard to give his kids the best life possible. Whether he made an excessive amount of money and was rewarded by seeing his kids get the best, or made sacrifices and passed up things for himself, to fund your school. In my wife's case, her father did too and paid for what he could. The rest, she took out loans for. Ferrari's arent for everyone, and neither is higher education.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 13, 2020, 01:09:49 PM
Why should high school be free?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on June 13, 2020, 01:16:17 PM
Why should high school be free?

It's certainly not "free" in the USA - if you own a home here, most of the tax goes to education.
And unfortunately, the education seems to get worse even though the taxes skyrocket.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 01:22:30 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

How do you square that statement? If life was fair? Your father presumably worked hard to give his kids the best life possible. Whether he made an excessive amount of money and was rewarded by seeing his kids get the best, or made sacrifices and passed up things for himself, to fund your school. In my wife's case, her father did too and paid for what he could. The rest, she took out loans for. Ferrari's arent for everyone, and neither is higher education.

I'm speculating that if we took talented people from poor families and gave them free tuition, they could then create generations of wealth in a positive cycle.

My father worked hard as an engineer for HP and was employed there for over 30 years.  Growing up in Australia, he went to Knox Grammar School in Sydney, and then on to study electrical engineering at the University of Sydney.  He paid for none of it.  His father was an engineer, you get the picture.

It's not a bad thing to put an advanced degree into the hands of a family where there has been generations of hard workers in low paying jobs.

I'm in favor of an expanded scholarship program though.  Complicating things, there are families that won't help their kids even though the parents are wealthy enough to pay their way.  My wife falls into that bucket -- she bristles at the scholarships that were not available to her simply because her parents' income disqualified her.



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 01:25:57 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 13, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Since when?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
If, I was able to do the gymnastics to get behind eliminating student loans, I would think they need to only eliminate loans for community college and in state schools.Instances where clearly, getting an education was 100% the driver of the decision making process. Anything beyond that, IE out of state tuition costs and private colleges, is basically subsidizing what is, on at the very least a significant level, a lifestyle/experience venture and rightfully cost way more than it should have.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Since when?

Everyone alive currently has a free option for high school. You can choose that now. There is nothing being decided on after people start the process.

Almost everyone pays for college. If you go to a cheaper school or don't go and then government changes the rules after the fact, that is wrong.

You really don't see the difference or are you just trying to defend your candidate?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:13:11 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

I did go to community college, I went to Foothill College in California.  I would have no problem with a program of free tuition for completing the 4 yr degree for those who complete the first two years at community college with at least a B average.  That would weed out a lot of people and keep expenses down.  Or simplify it and simply offer last 2 yrs worth of free credits at a 4-yr institution (to be fair to those who don't want to go to community college).



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
If, I was able to do the gymnastics to get behind eliminating student loans, I would think they need to only eliminate loans for community college and in state schools.Instances where clearly, getting an education was 100% the driver of the decision making process. Anything beyond that, IE out of state tuition costs and private colleges, is basically subsidizing what is, on at the very least a significant level, a lifestyle/experience venture and rightfully cost way more than it should have.

I second that.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

I did go to community college, I went to Foothill College in California.  I would have no problem with a program of free tuition for completing the 4 yr degree for those who complete the first two years at community college with at least a B average.  That would weed out a lot of people and keep expenses down.

I always remembered that because that's what I did too. ;)

I would have less of a problem of community college being free. I think colleges should have skin in the game.. Basically if your students are just drinking and not learning, the school would be on the line for that. I would have no problem with colleges being free for folks who want to give up X% of their income.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 04:41:52 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 04:46:41 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.

What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.

What makes you say that?

You shouldn't be able to get the benefits (job/degree) of something you ended up not paying for. It would also give people more skin in the game. Colleges should also take a hit. Like if certain percentage of students file for degree bankruptcy, the school would face funding cuts.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 07:40:11 PM
I think you're making a false assumption about what a school provides. Accepting tuition is not a contractual agreement to guarantee an education or post-attendance employment.

Rather it is an agreement which allows the student to attend classes and use the services of the school, for a period of time. When this period ends, those services also end.

Similarly, if a student doesn't learn a single thing during their period of attendance, they cannot force the university to stop educating in that field of industry/area of degree.

But if that is not convincing, let me try another angle:

Let's say I am pursuing an expensive degree with a high potential ROI, for example I am studying to be a surgeon.

I've got boatloads of loans. But now I've finished residency and my 10 year clock is ticking (coincidentally, the average repayment time for medical loans is about 10 yrs). But for the next 10 years I'm earning six+_figures, I have a nice house, a nice car, a wife, maybe a kid or two. Am I really going to sell the house, the car, liquidate the investments, torpedo my credit, put my kid in public school, torpedo my wife's credit...all to save on the remainder of my student loans?

I think after ten years you've got two groups of people: those whose student loan investment has paid off (i.e. the example I just described) and those who made the "wrong choice" (e.g. the philosophy major working in Starbucks). This second group probably deserves loan forgiveness. I mean, they still have to go thru bankruptcy process which is damaging - but they have spent 10 years with little to show from their student loans.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 14, 2020, 06:56:03 AM
If you are talking about it as an investment, then allow expenses to be deducted from earnings.  Cost of books and tuition can be carried forward against future earned income until fully written off.

You should only be taxed on your gains if it is an investment.

Perhaps one argues that it is an intangible asset that should be amortized over time -- then allow a percentage to be written off each year (perhaps carried over 20 years).  However any interest on a loan should be fully allowed each year.

Even if your particular education was a poor investment (masters in basket weaving), that should not disqualify you for writing it off.  We don't disallow poor investments from being written off in the business world.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 14, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
I think you're making a false assumption about what a school provides. Accepting tuition is not a contractual agreement to guarantee an education or post-attendance employment.

Rather it is an agreement which allows the student to attend classes and use the services of the school, for a period of time. When this period ends, those services also end.

Similarly, if a student doesn't learn a single thing during their period of attendance, they cannot force the university to stop educating in that field of industry/area of degree.

But if that is not convincing, let me try another angle:

Let's say I am pursuing an expensive degree with a high potential ROI, for example I am studying to be a surgeon.

I've got boatloads of loans. But now I've finished residency and my 10 year clock is ticking (coincidentally, the average repayment time for medical loans is about 10 yrs). But for the next 10 years I'm earning six+_figures, I have a nice house, a nice car, a wife, maybe a kid or two. Am I really going to sell the house, the car, liquidate the investments, torpedo my credit, put my kid in public school, torpedo my wife's credit...all to save on the remainder of my student loans?

I think after ten years you've got two groups of people: those whose student loan investment has paid off (i.e. the example I just described) and those who made the "wrong choice" (e.g. the philosophy major working in Starbucks). This second group probably deserves loan forgiveness. I mean, they still have to go thru bankruptcy process which is damaging - but they have spent 10 years with little to show from their student loans.

LC:

I don't think you fully realize what is going on and has been going on in higher education for a long while now.  "Educators" have been lying about the results their graduates achieve, both in terms of percentage employed in the field AND the amount the employed make in that field.  When skools are charging hundreds of thousands for their product and misrepresenting it's value, then yes, they've got a problem, a bigly problem.   This has been true in the legal profession since AT LEAST the 90's.  That is why there were so many lawsuits against law schools.

There are TONS of graduates who "did everything right" and can't pay down/off their student loans.  I'm not talking about basket/weaving or philosophy majors. 

Unfortunately, it is not just the law schools that have a problem. 

You've got hordes & hordes of people educated at lower level & middling (sometimes even higher ranked skools) that can't find employment in their field at a rate sufficient to pay their loans and personal expenses.  The figures published in USNWR are pure fiction.  Have you ever heard or seen a skool that says the return on their education is negative or minimal? 

Why do "educators" get a pass on the product they are selling?  Car dealers, investment advisors, doctors and others are not allowed to make the claims that the education industrial complex is allowed to make.

We need to allow bankruptcy in student loans after a period of time (say 5 years?).  You can then give up your license or diploma.  Get in a federal data base of discharge/invalid education, and then move on.  Once your debt is discharged, go after the school/and or cut it's funding.

How many young people's lives are we going to allow to be ruined to simply transfer wealth to the education industrial complex?  This has been going on for way too long and needs to stop.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
I'm not disputing that but what I am proposing is a free market solution that is agnostic of the cause.

Yes, perhaps the student debt bubble is caused by lying schools. And perhaps it is caused by dumb borrowers and dumb lenders. In reality it is a mix of both.

Here's another example to illustrate your point:

I'm the same student, training to become a surgeon. But now I enroll in Trump Medical & Clown College and take out the same 400,000 of debt. But to my complete shock, my entire program is mastering the game of "Operation" and my teacher wears a squeaky red nose, large floppy shoes, and drives an incredibly small car. And to my further surprise, upon graduation I am not accepted to any residency program.

I am essentially now a surgically-trained Starbucks barista, fit to pull espresso and perform appendectomies on the Trump family - all because I went to a Medical SKOOL as you allude.

In my opinion, after 5 or 7 or 10 years (I don't know the "right" amount of time) of being said barista, you should be able to discharge that Clown College Loan in bankruptcy. And hell, if you want to form a class action civil suit - I say go for it.

And over time lenders will see how many of these loans are being discharged, and will adjust their lending practices.

I think this is a much more elegant solution than trying to regulate the sale of these services.

I'd argue selling education is more similar to the late night infomercial guy who sold a $500 "you can triple your money flipping houses!" program. Is it a scam? Well - depends. I'm sure there is 1 guy out of 1000 who tripled his money. But yes for 99% it's a scam. But ultimately I think the buyer needs to bear more responsibility than you suggest.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 14, 2020, 10:13:01 AM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
In order to be a surgeon, you typically have to go through undergrad (4 years), med school (4 years). residency (usually 3 years) and fellowship (usually 2-3 but can be longer depending on specialty). If you're happening to work on your PhD at the same time, that can take even longer.

So, yes, it might be very wise for the surgeon to "torpedo" his life since he would have just started working and the 10 year clock is about to end on at least a portion of it.

Yes, I understand that people make mistakes. That's why if the school accepts someone then the school should be on the hook. It is absolutely ridiculous that the government should bail out someone for their personal decisions.

I see no reason that "well, I've worked for 10 years with nothing to show for it, so someone else can pay this off" should be the rule. That doesn't fix the underlying issue (colleges aren't properly preparing people for the workforce). Perhaps we should also bailout individuals who don't save for retirement?

How much of this stuff would happen if the government stepped out of student loans?

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.

Trump saying that "I ran the last 10 feet" is pure ego (and dumb). I don't really find it that alarming that a 74 year old guy is taking his time going down something. He's right that the media would have torched him if he had fallen.

However, someone posted Obama running up the same platform. Really? Obama is 16 years younger than Trump and running up! It's way, way easier to run up something like that than going down.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 12:54:50 PM
A 40-45 year old surgeon making 400k is going to declare bankruptcy and sell all their assets to dispose of student loans?

I strongly disagree with that, Paul.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
A 40-45 year old surgeon making 400k is going to declare bankruptcy and sell all their assets to dispose of student loans?

I strongly disagree with that, Paul.

You're usually starting at early to mid 30s. A lot of doctors aren't married before they finish. The average student loan debt for doctors is about $200,000. Some have way, way more.

You could pretty easily wipe out a good chunk all before settling down with a family through bankruptcy. From my understanding, physicians were one of the highest groups filing for bankruptcy before the hammer came down.b

Regardless, I see no reason why taxpayers should be on the hook for a choice another party made. I know, I know...liberals are not into personal responsibility but still! ;)

The reason colleges are so expensive is because the government has an unlimited budget. By forgiving all of these loans, you are not correcting the source of the issue.


Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 14, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.

Trump saying that "I ran the last 10 feet" is pure ego (and dumb). I don't really find it that alarming that a 74 year old guy is taking his time going down something. He's right that the media would have torched him if he had fallen.

However, someone posted Obama running up the same platform. Really? Obama is 16 years younger than Trump and running up! It's way, way easier to run up something like that than going down.

If ai had to guess, he has some back problems  There was another video showing him having issues taken a water glass, where he seems to have trouble raising it.

You are correct, it easier to go up a ramp than down and much more likely to fall on the way down too, which would have elated the media even more. It’s kind of funny how he lets this get under his skin, instead of stating why he did what he did which wouldn’t make news at all.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 14, 2020, 04:15:15 PM
Admitting an overuse injury to your back due to playing too much golf while Rome burned wouldn't be a good look.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
Admitting an overuse injury to your back due to playing too much golf while Rome burned wouldn't be a good look.

Rome was burning before he arrived.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 15, 2020, 05:08:17 AM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.

If you're going to go that route, the clock should start at the end of each degree (or from the date the loan was first issued). It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

I'm of the opinion that the government should step out of loans completely. That would force colleges to be more prudent with expenses and to have a more focused approach with students. There wouldn't be this insane amount of money up for grabs so it would force discipline (for all parties involved).

It's doubly wrong to let people discharge loans after others in their peer group did not have the same option (other paid them down by sacrificing other things or didn't attend due to cost). At the very least, if bankruptcy becomes an option, they should have to give up their degree (and have enrollment stricken from the record). You lose other things you purchased while you file, I don't see why this should be any different.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 15, 2020, 04:00:31 PM
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It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

Well, otherwise you just stay in school for 10 years and default on everything.

The goal here is to give everyone 5-10 years to get out of school and into the workforce, enough time to "see what happens". And after that timeframe, you've got a choice: if student loans are so burdensome, you make so little money, and bankruptcy is on the horizon - then you can get rid of them (as obviously they were useless to begin with). If you're successful, make enough money that BK is a bad option - then keep paying the loans.

This is the broad sense of the proposed solution. The details are IMHO trivial. Personally I think it's the best solution I've seen but I do see the "first-level" appeal of having college's maintain some credit & default risk.

My gripe with that solution is that colleges are not lending institutions - they do not have the know how to raise & manage capital in this manner. And it creates potential conflicts of interest if the educating & lending functions are under the same roof. I think if you want more prudent lending, the solution is to expose the lender to default risk, not simply change lenders.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 15, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
Lindsey Graham In New Ad: 'Joe Biden Is As Good A Man As God Ever Created'

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/republicans-against-trump-lindsey-graham-joe-biden-050109341.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 15, 2020, 09:01:46 PM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.

If you're going to go that route, the clock should start at the end of each degree (or from the date the loan was first issued). It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

I'm of the opinion that the government should step out of loans completely. That would force colleges to be more prudent with expenses and to have a more focused approach with students. There wouldn't be this insane amount of money up for grabs so it would force discipline (for all parties involved).

It's doubly wrong to let people discharge loans after others in their peer group did not have the same option (other paid them down by sacrificing other things or didn't attend due to cost). At the very least, if bankruptcy becomes an option, they should have to give up their degree (and have enrollment stricken from the record). You lose other things you purchased while you file, I don't see why this should be any different.

Yes, the government should get out of/OR radically reduce their backing of student loans.  Say lower it by 80% or so.

I don't see ANY problem with bankruptcy after 4-5 years IF it is treated as a "regular" bankruptcy AND you give up your license(s) & go on registry of defaulted diplomas.  That takes care of doctors and attorneys abusing bankruptcy.  Sure, they can go bankrupt, but then they can't practice law/medicine.

THEN, the skool has to pay price.  Give them a free pass for a couple/few percent of their graduates bankrupting...but if it goes over say 4% or so, then they have to give up 1/2 of what they got in tuition for that diploma.

I don't think you would see too many doctors/dentists/surgeons go bankrupt.  I think it would be low single digits if that.

As for attorneys, I bet close to half would choose to bankrupt.  That would then force maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of the law skools to shut down?  There are a bit over 200 law skools in America.  You could easily get rid of about 1/2 of those.

Then just think of how many small liberal arts skools could shut down!  Just think of how much better society would be!  One can imagine!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 05:12:18 AM
Quote
It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

Well, otherwise you just stay in school for 10 years and default on everything.

The goal here is to give everyone 5-10 years to get out of school and into the workforce, enough time to "see what happens". And after that timeframe, you've got a choice: if student loans are so burdensome, you make so little money, and bankruptcy is on the horizon - then you can get rid of them (as obviously they were useless to begin with). If you're successful, make enough money that BK is a bad option - then keep paying the loans.

This is the broad sense of the proposed solution. The details are IMHO trivial. Personally I think it's the best solution I've seen but I do see the "first-level" appeal of having college's maintain some credit & default risk.

My gripe with that solution is that colleges are not lending institutions - they do not have the know how to raise & manage capital in this manner. And it creates potential conflicts of interest if the educating & lending functions are under the same roof. I think if you want more prudent lending, the solution is to expose the lender to default risk, not simply change lenders.

I'll have to disagree. Many graduates would just set up trusts or work and give assets to family members and then file. Game plan: get a lot of student loans. Work for 5 years. "give" all of your income to your parents. File bankruptcy and gets loans discharged. Parents give you back your earnings. Problem solved. The honest, hardworking ones would be the ones getting screwed. That's why the student has to pay a heavier price - like lose the degree or get barred from that industry.

Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 16, 2020, 06:43:06 AM
Make it 10 years if you want to be safe. "Giving" all your income to your parents is only tax-free up to the gift limit of 10k/year. Any revocable trusts can be unwound in BK. Transfers of assets to family members are completely legal and again, subject to potential taxable events.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 07:10:08 AM
Make it 10 years if you want to be safe. "Giving" all your income to your parents is only tax-free up to the gift limit of 10k/year. Any revocable trusts can be unwound in BK. Transfers of assets to family members are completely legal and again, subject to potential taxable events.

We can make it 5 as long as they relinquish their degree and agree to be barred from the industry they're currently working in. ;)

I didn't say revocable trust, lc. Irrevocable trusts provide way better protection.

It's actually $15,000 per year. So you could give your parents $30,000 per year without hitting your lifetime limits. If you have a sibling you trust, you could gift it to them too (or whoever). Technically, you can give more than that if you want to eat into your lifetime exclusion. You could also jam as much as you could in your workplace plan since those tend to be protected from bankruptcy too.

Alternatively, you could get married, have kids (more options to gift!), etc. Give your wife all of your assets at the 10 year mark after graduation (or just give them to her as the money comes in). Get "divorced" for a month, file bankruptcy and then get "remarried." Problem solved. No debt, all the assets. Win, win.

Even better. Try to take as many loans as you can, use the excess money to invest. Then do the aforementioned scenario. You get free college and a free head start on wealth accumulation.



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 16, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
An irrevocable trust still creates a taxable event to the beneficiary. No different from a delayed sale.

Funneling assets to your spouse in a divorce to avoid creditors is literally fraud.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:19:34 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:26:05 AM
An irrevocable trust still creates a taxable event to the beneficiary. No different from a delayed sale.

Funneling assets to your spouse in a divorce to avoid creditors is literally fraud.

Filing for bankruptcy and losing your wealth is far different the the beneficiary paying taxes. They'll (most likely) have to pay taxes regardless of how they get the assets.

Morality is subjective. So, as long as you don't get caught, it's all good.  ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:38:13 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

The reduction in public dollars at state institutions will absolutely drive tuition higher in real terms. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

I don't think the reduction of public funding would increase tuition in real returns (not long term anyway). Colleges would be forced to be more efficient and thus costs would drop. Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

It will also increase opportunity cost.  Public dollars directly funding public institutions kept tuition affordable.  If you withdraw loan assistance, will higher education once again be available only to the wealthy?  What does that do to our GDP down the road?

Or perhaps you increase direct public funding of universities?  Or just free tuition?  It feels like a shell game.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

It will also increase opportunity cost.  Public dollars directly funding public institutions kept tuition affordable.  If you withdraw loan assistance, will higher education once again be available only to the wealthy?  What does that do to our GDP down the road?

Only the wealthy can afford it now. The economy would adjust over the long term. All of sudden, you wouldn't need a 4 year degree for the entry level position. There is a lot of waste in the college system. Their goal is to "make people well rounded" and that simply isn't needed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?

Why not cut BofA's executive salaries down to $150,000 each in order to save money?  Football salaries got to where they are because there is competition for the top coaches, because when you have a top coach you bring in more revenue.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?  Public institutions raised prices when public funding was cut.  Can they lower them again without an increase in public investment?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?

Why not cut BofA's executive salaries down to $150,000 each in order to save money?  Football salaries got to where they are because there is competition for the top coaches, because when you have a top coach you bring in more revenue.

I would love some type of government law that limits executive conversation. The "salary consultants" these guys have is a huge fraud. Maybe something along the lines of not being able to pay more than 75-100x the median employee or something like that. So you're not really limiting compensation but you are tying it to the success of your employees.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:05:49 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.

I did. It said "In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving".

The amount of one's revenue has little relation to expenses. Perhaps they could lower expenses instead of raising tuition?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
Paul,
I think what you are saying is that too many people go to college, more than what society needs.

However, you can achieve that by increasing the public funding of public institutions while at the same time eliminating loan programs.

That way fewer will go to college because if you don't gain acceptance at the public school, you're basically SOL unless your daddy is rich.  Meanwhile, we aren't letting talent slip through the system because of economics.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Paul,
I think what you are saying is that too many people go to college, more than what society needs.

However, you can achieve that by increasing the public funding of public institutions while at the same time eliminating loan programs.

That way fewer will go to college because if you don't gain acceptance at the public school, you're basically SOL unless your daddy is rich.  Meanwhile, we aren't letting talent slip through the system because of economics.

I don't think I have an issue increasing public funding (assuming it's reasonable). However, it has to be disciplined and not just add government debt. It seems quite immoral to me for a place like LSU to have a "lazy river" which increases costs to students which get money from the government. Like I said, the unlimited funding from the government increases bloat, which increases costs.

Perhaps we could do something like "you have 4 years to complete your degree or you're done". This would force people to focus and not spend their first 2 years partying. We'd also say something like total colleges costs cannot go up more than the rate of inflation and some other parameters. This would stop colleges from having super fancy buildings and lazy rivers.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 17, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
If i had to guess, he has some back problems  There was another video showing him having issues taken a water glass, where he seems to have trouble raising it.

You are correct, it easier to go up a ramp than down and much more likely to fall on the way down too, which would have elated the media even more. It’s kind of funny how he lets this get under his skin, instead of stating why he did what he did which wouldn’t make news at all.
Turns out it was just his bone spurs acting up on the way down, but not up the ramp. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 17, 2020, 08:09:41 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-joe-biden-race-relations-track-record

""[In] 1977, Biden worried his children would grow up in a 'racial jungle if immigration is not done in an orderly way,'" Hannity said before noting that in 2006, Biden told a crowd, 'You have to have [a] slight Indian accent to work at 7-Eleven or Dunkin' Donuts.'

Fake much?

For what it's worth, Joe, Indians in American tend to be much, much harder working than typical Americans.

Here's an older article about it and the PR person tries to add their spin:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13757367/ns/politics/t/biden-explains-indian-american-remarks/#.XuraP0VKi70
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 20, 2020, 08:53:04 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.

I did. It said "In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving".

The amount of one's revenue has little relation to expenses. Perhaps they could lower expenses instead of raising tuition?

The skools should RADICALLY lower their expenses.  Start by eliminating half or more of their administrators.  Then go to work on the professors.  No more $175k salary for teaching 1-2 courses and working 16 hour weeks.

Severely cut back on adjuncts and TA's.  It is a shame that skools have set up something like a feudal society for their labor structure.  Make the tenure track profs work more, and pay the adjuncts a "living wage".

Then go to work on the extravagant facilities.

When skool costs so much, you are forcing young people to gamble their future.  If something goes wrong, they are WRECKED.  Compare that to the boomers...if there was a problem with their education, they weren't saddled with a life wrecking amount of debt.

Spending on education is way, Way, WAY higher now with much worse results.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 20, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
After Weeks Of Anticipation, Trump Rally Crowd Underwhelms

The president was initially scheduled to address supporters outside the arena, which has a capacity of 19,000 people, earlier in the evening before heading inside. But Trump’s campaign canceled the outdoor remarks at the last minute.

At the time the cancellation was announced, only a few dozen people were reportedly gathered in the overflow area outside the venue. Inside, the upper stands were empty, and there was plenty of room in the standing-only area in front of the stage.

...
The president did spend about 10 minutes of his speech defending his awkward walk down a ramp after a speech at West Point last week.

“It was like an ice-skating rink,” Trump said of the ramp.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally_n_5eee95adc5b6aac5f3a45f37

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 21, 2020, 12:56:05 AM
After Weeks Of Anticipation, Trump Rally Crowd Underwhelms

The president was initially scheduled to address supporters outside the arena, which has a capacity of 19,000 people, earlier in the evening before heading inside. But Trump’s campaign canceled the outdoor remarks at the last minute.

At the time the cancellation was announced, only a few dozen people were reportedly gathered in the overflow area outside the venue. Inside, the upper stands were empty, and there was plenty of room in the standing-only area in front of the stage.

...
The president did spend about 10 minutes of his speech defending his awkward walk down a ramp after a speech at West Point last week.

“It was like an ice-skating rink,” Trump said of the ramp.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally_n_5eee95adc5b6aac5f3a45f37

And Joe Biden's rally turned out how many? Even if he held one, well, I'd use an slang term referring to a female body part to describe the base...Maybe they'll hold the Democrat Convention on Zoom!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 21, 2020, 05:52:26 AM
I'd use an slang term referring to a female body part to describe the base...

I believe you.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 21, 2020, 06:38:19 AM
It is pretty funny that he's still talking about the ramp.  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 21, 2020, 12:31:55 PM
I went to a white supremicist website today to see what their take on Trump's low rally turnout is:
Essentially, they think he's a total failure of a leader, comparing him to almost a perfect comparison to Nero.  He let the coronahoax take over and destroy the country, and for letting the BLM movement get completely away from him.

I don't want to link it.  It feels like linking to a white supremacist website is just unnecessary.  I'm sure you can find it on your own.
Did they say they're gonna vote for Jill Stein? 😆
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 21, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
I went to a white supremicist website today to see what their take on Trump's low rally turnout is:
Essentially, they think he's a total failure of a leader, comparing him to almost a perfect comparison to Nero.  He let the coronahoax take over and destroy the country, and for letting the BLM movement get completely away from him.

I don't want to link it.  It feels like linking to a white supremacist website is just unnecessary.  I'm sure you can find it on your own.
Did they say they're gonna vote for Jill Stein? 😆

I am relieved that calling it all a hoax backfired on him.  A significant part of his base believed him.  And now they view him as spineless for next letting Fauci lead the country into a shutdown and destroy the economy.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 21, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
This is pure gold

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on June 21, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
This is pure gold

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265

Where can I donate

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for rubbers

for Trumpf?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 21, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Never been a huge fan of  Merkel, but at least she can lift a glass like a pro:
(https://i.imgur.com/4immWCY.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 21, 2020, 05:59:44 PM
Doesn’t Trump not drink? Reason enough not to trust for the guy right there if you ask me.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 22, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

I think it's time for an age cap on President and Congress.

 ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 22, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
Never been a huge fan of  Merkel, but at least she can lift a glass like a pro:
(https://i.imgur.com/4immWCY.jpg)
Calling that thing a glass is like calling a great dane a puppy. But yes she is a pro at it.  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 22, 2020, 12:46:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

I think it's time for an age cap on President and Congress.

 ;D

haha. I'm really looking forward to the debates.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 22, 2020, 03:49:46 PM
Michelle Grisham seems to be a good contender as. VP along Biden. Checks a lot of boxes (female, administrative experience, good COVID track record, minority) while still being a fresh face, unless Kamala Harris. Also, the Hispanics are  much less represented in politics than the blacks, despite being a arger demographic group (18% vs 13% for blacks). I guess we will see.
 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/biden-vp-search-michelle-lujan-grisham-has-coronavirus-health-care-experience.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/biden-vp-search-michelle-lujan-grisham-has-coronavirus-health-care-experience.html)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 25, 2020, 05:53:27 PM
Joe Biden: “I don’t want my children to grow up in a jungle - a racial jungle.”

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.

Let’s not forget the ol Clinton/Gore confederate flag campaign button that The Washington post even said was likely to exist.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 25, 2020, 07:49:24 PM
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Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.
Two things:
1- Biden has made (or attempted to) amends on that front. He has reached out and worked with the black community for decades now. Hell, he was Obama's VP and it looks like they had a pretty close relationship - hard to imagine Barry would be tight with a racist. Trump on the other hand does not seem to have made such amends.

2- Nobody views these things in a bubble, nor should they. We would be so lucky if that was the worst of Trump's mistakes.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 25, 2020, 08:00:03 PM

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.


I'm anti-Trump because he isn't Presidential material.  Not qualified for the job.  Incompetent.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 25, 2020, 08:08:39 PM

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.


I'm anti-Trump because he isn't Presidential material.  Not qualified for the job.  Incompetent.

I agree for the most part after this past year
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on June 26, 2020, 04:28:34 PM
 I was just watching a video of Trump trying to explain how the F-35 stealth fighter was "invisible". "It could be right beside you and you couldn't see it." he explained while an Air Force officer standing behind him tried to stifle a laugh. How can someone be that dumb?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 26, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 26, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: lnofeisone on June 27, 2020, 03:08:15 AM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D

mean and median of a normal distribution (which most IQ tests conform to) are equal so George Carlin is correct, yet again.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on June 27, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D

mean and median of a normal distribution (which most IQ tests conform to) are equal so George Carlin is correct, yet again.

I learned something new today... thanks.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on June 30, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
Some blacks aren't gonna buy off on Biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMhck1uAGL8

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on July 01, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
Can't wait for Joe to become president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irocQ9jMOhw
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on July 08, 2020, 10:49:47 AM
Thank God! We finally have an alternative candidate. I'm voting for Kanye!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on July 11, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
Yup might as well, no sense leaving the country only partly screwed up.  :)