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Title: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on August 01, 2019, 06:43:19 PM
You can mark my words.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Ahab on August 01, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
Of your local retirement home that is!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: MrB on August 02, 2019, 03:13:37 AM
It'll be fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOYZaiDZ7BM
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on August 02, 2019, 03:44:13 AM
Hey all:

If Joe Biden had run 4 years ago, he would be President.

Time has come & gone though.  The Democrats (DNC) I don't think will allow it now.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on August 02, 2019, 03:47:18 AM
Rumors that he is already a zombie already were exaggerated as he became somewhat alive during the last debate.
From the retirement home Trio - Donald, Bernie and Joe, he is my favorite (or least despised). Tulsi looks match better though, especially when she sweats a little.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on August 02, 2019, 05:16:14 AM
Rumors that he is already a zombie already were exaggerated as he became somewhat alive during the last debate.
From the retirement home Trio - Donald, Bernie and Joe, he is my favorite (or least despised). Tulsi looks match better though, especially when she sweats a little.

I Like Tulsi's foreign policy. She loses me on everything else. I don't think Joe has a chance. The idea seems to be he will try to sound as much like Obama as possible and therefore draw all the previous voters to his base. I could see Corey Booker potentially getting the nomination. Although he is pretty much an admitted rapist who got ahead of the curve by saying "sorry" in a school paper. I think Kamala is completely finished...her track record and policies are terrible. Same goes for Warren, Bernie, Beto and Buttigige (his lack of separation of church and state worry me). Then there is Andrew Yang "An Asian who is good at math" ; who seemingly can't do the math on his own policies correctly. But his heart is in the right place  :P. Some of those other guys like Mr. Montana baffle me. They sound like left leaning republicans on a lot of their stances.

If they choose to go with Joe it's simply amazing. Didn't the democratic party want to get away from "old white men"? The guy is on stage talking about policies from the 70s!

Is it just me or is Michael Bennet the presidential version of Bill Murray?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Parsad on August 02, 2019, 01:38:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/opinions/when-did-barack-obama-become-a-republican-avlon/index.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Eye4Valu on August 02, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
Forget geriatric Joe, I want my $1,000.00 per month from Andrew Yang!!!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 17, 2019, 01:17:47 PM
I find it strange that 0bama tried to talk Biden, that he shouldn't run2020.


Quote
According to the Times, 0bama reportedly tried to gently nudge the former veep from entering the 2020 field during one of several chats the friends had ahead of Biden announcing his candidacy in April.

“You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t,” 0bama reportedly told Biden.

"
When they were done, Mr. Obama offered a pointed reminder, according to two people with knowledge of his comments:

Win or lose, they needed to make sure Mr. Biden did not “embarrass himself” or “damage his legacy” during the campaign."

https://www.spin.com/2019/08/obama-warned-biden-staff-dont-embarrass-himself/
Because he´s worried about his legacy...

That sounds like a BS. More likely he is trying to make it easier to moochelle enter the race.

https://youtu.be/F3LwOxcY6W4?t=332
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 17, 2019, 01:38:48 PM
You can mark my words.

Cardboard
https://youtu.be/8bfIT-tNM8Q?t=610
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 17, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
Its not really a secret Obama thinks Biden is a putz, but saw him as the necessary establishment white guy he needed to round out his ticket in 08. By second term, Biden wasn't really needed anymore.

Its also not much of a secret Obamas preference is for Koomala Harris.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on August 18, 2019, 02:04:07 AM


Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on August 18, 2019, 05:34:29 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.
I vividly remember watching the vice-presidential debate in 2012 and recalled it reading your post as, to me, 2012 appears to have been a missed opportunity. During the debate and in closing remarks, Mr. Paul Ryan gave what could be considered incomplete answers but the answers contained seeds of reform. In the same remarks, Mr. Joe Biden offered peace of mind.

After listening to the conclusion, I wondered: "How can you win an election with such a Zombie answer?"
Conclusion: I have poor ability to predict election results. But sometimes zombies win.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on August 19, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.
I vividly remember watching the vice-presidential debate in 2012 and recalled it reading your post as, to me, 2012 appears to have been a missed opportunity. During the debate and in closing remarks, Mr. Paul Ryan gave what could be considered incomplete answers but the answers contained seeds of reform. In the same remarks, Mr. Joe Biden offered peace of mind.

After listening to the conclusion, I wondered: "How can you win an election with such a Zombie answer?"
Conclusion: I have poor ability to predict election results. But sometimes zombies win.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate

Indeed. The silent majority not participating in CoBF still has a say in things.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 19, 2019, 07:14:12 AM
Bernie has the energy of a four-year-old after loading up on a pound of sugar. Mentally he's also quite sharp, it's quite impressive really. Biden is definitely in Zombie land.

Bernie's a fired up socialist, Biden's always in his own head thinking about little girls.
And how poor kids compare to white kids.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 19, 2019, 08:21:29 AM
He may be a "democratic socialist" but you have to admire that he actually gets out there on the streets:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/19/bernie-sanders-labor-protest-2020-1455151
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 19, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
He may be a "democratic socialist" but you have to admire that he actually gets out there on the streets:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/19/bernie-sanders-labor-protest-2020-1455151

I'll criticize his ideas all day long, but I have nothing negative to say about his enthusiasm.  Especially at his age.  Too bad he's so wrong.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 19, 2019, 09:14:17 AM
I'd agree with his criticisms but I'd say he's about 50/50 in terms of realistic solutions. His "wall street trading tax" for example is simply unrealistic. But, actually enforcing our tax law on the wealthiest corporations and individuals is a good idea.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 20, 2019, 03:34:52 AM
“... how poor kids compare to white kids.”
?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 20, 2019, 05:53:09 AM
“... how poor kids compare to white kids.”
?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html


I know this got some publicity, but just imagine if Trump had recently said this.  Do you think there is a chance in hell that you wouldn't have heard about it?  Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party and the press just never mentions it.  Do some searching for dumb Biden quotes, you can read all day.


""You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking"
 --Joe Biden

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 20, 2019, 07:49:55 AM
Yeah, but don't overlook the entertainment value :)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 20, 2019, 10:30:33 AM
Yeah, but don't overlook the entertainment value :)

Yes, there is always that.  :)

Although I find Trump more amusing, because he make the press go ballistic, whereas the press ignores anything Biden says and does, and pretends they didn't hear or see it.  "Nope I didn't hear another racist comment or see him with his hands all over a little girl...."

If a president says something crazy and no one reports it, is it even entertaining?


Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 06, 2019, 08:27:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFIIVScvls



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 07, 2019, 09:03:44 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 09, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

Which is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 09, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

With is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Only hope is an independent or impeachment. Both are extremely doubtful
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 09, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
Biden probably is the Democrats best shot - a guy who will probably do more or less nothing, if elected. Warren went loony when she proposed forbidding fracking (if not before) which would probably lose her PA and who knows what other state. Bernie is the Ron Paul of the left and won’t be elected either.

I support taken a stab on climate in a measured way, but quite frankly, I don’t think the general public is too keen on spending tens of trillions on a huge green deal and such. Fixing aging infrastructure and inflating health care costs and education would probably give a better chance of getting the election sealed.

With is to say in summary that Trump will be reelected.
Only hope is an independent or impeachment. Both are extremely doubtful

Yes.  It is probably for the best anyway.  Both Trump and any of the D's will be a disaster on both foreign policy and domestically.  In different ways, but both horrible.  But with Ruth Bader Ginsburg's health status, I'd rather have Trump nominating someone to the Supreme Court than any of the the Democrats.

Not only will a Trump nominee be far more likely to protect the 2nd Amendment, but with the left's current disdain for the 1st Amendment I think a constitutional conservative would be better from almost every angle.    I know there is abortion to worry about, but Roe-v-Wade isn't going to be repealed. And even in the worse case if it were, only a handful of southern states in the bible belt would change their abortion laws.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Vish_ram on September 23, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
Biden looks like a spent force. Physically he looks tired, displays an impotent rage, a mere ghost of his former self, looks shriveled & diminutive, doesn't show a fighting spirit.

Warren is hitting her stride, with vigor, passion and on message. I've never seen Biden hit hard on Trump's corruption. Biden looks like male version of Hillary. Where's the sense of outrage?

I wont be surprised if Warren became D's nominee.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 23, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
You are having trouble honoring your student loans?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 24, 2019, 06:20:57 AM
I'm not a fan of Biden (see all of my above posts), but I hope he's the nominee.  On the off chance that Trump loses, Biden will do the least harm out of the bunch of them*.   It will be pretty much business as usual with him.  He's the only one in the bunch who isn't stock raving mad.

*ps: I like Tulsi better, but she isn't a blood thirsty warmonger so her party will make sure she isn't picked.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on September 24, 2019, 06:31:55 AM

Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity.

After Trump, Warren would seem like a divine voice of rationality with the economic wisdom rivaled only by the other warren.  Seriously, compared to the total shit storm that we got now? Common.




Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 24, 2019, 06:45:13 AM

Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity.

After Trump, Warren would seem like a divine voice of rationality with the economic wisdom rivaled only by the other warren.  Seriously, compared to the total shit storm that we got now? Common.

Have you ever been on a fracking pad or near one? I have been on many as in HS for a summer job I drove all over North Central PA in a Jeep Wrangler taking ground water samples. The amount of precautions they take are extreme. If anyone ever screws up on the pad or spills some chemical etc. they are generally immediately fired then a long arduous cleanup process begins. I'd be willing to bet there is more pollution in your local Walmart parking lot from leaking engines and exhaust than on a well pad.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 24, 2019, 07:40:18 AM
"Why is banning fracking considered "loony"? I would not let my family live anywhere close to anywhere where there's any sort of fracking activity."

It is amazing the level of propaganda that has been going on. By the way, the original anti-fracking film was funded by Russia so hopefully it tells you something. Lots of lies in there.

It is also very interesting to hear from a European who would not let his family live in a farm field with an oil well drilled 2,000 feet below ground but, who would let his family live by highly poluted rivers, diesel infested air, next to a nuclear reactor and such dense population that any dangerous, untreatable flu would cause all of them to die.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on September 26, 2019, 12:48:34 PM
Not sure it's going to be "Good Ole Joe". You might want to pick from this list:

US Order of Presidential Succession

No.   Office      Current officer
1   Vice President      Mike Pence (R)
2   Speaker of the House of Representatives      Nancy Pelosi (D)
3   President Pro Tempore of the Senate      Chuck Grassley (R)
4   Secretary of State      Mike Pompeo (R)
5   Secretary of the Treasury      Steven Mnuchin (R)
6   Secretary of Defense      Mark Esper (R)
7   Attorney General      William P. Barr (R)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 27, 2019, 08:07:43 AM
Not sure it's going to be "Good Ole Joe". You might want to pick from this list:

US Order of Presidential Succession

No.   Office      Current officer
1   Vice President      Mike Pence (R)
2   Speaker of the House of Representatives      Nancy Pelosi (D)
3   President Pro Tempore of the Senate      Chuck Grassley (R)
4   Secretary of State      Mike Pompeo (R)
5   Secretary of the Treasury      Steven Mnuchin (R)
6   Secretary of Defense      Mark Esper (R)
7   Attorney General      William P. Barr (R)

If that isn't scary, I don't know what is.  Let the big dumb Orangeman finish his term.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 27, 2019, 08:29:31 AM
I am fine with 8 years of Mike Pence from now on.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on September 27, 2019, 08:44:21 AM
Pence is implicated as participating in the Ukraine shakedown, so it is not clear how that will work out for him.

I am fine with 8 years of Mike Pence from now on.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on November 25, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
I assume you'd prefer someone who's more presidential than Trump?

When you look those two dudes, their faces says it all!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKKptxvX0AEizI3?format=jpg&name=medium)

 ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 02, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 02, 2019, 02:31:38 PM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)

Yeah, saw that on Twitter. Can someone explain to me what this means? I guess I don’t do enough drugs.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 02, 2019, 07:41:29 PM
Does anyone take this guy's campaign seriously?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/you-dont-have-to-do-this-joe-internet-mocks-image-of-joe-biden-nibbling-wifes-finger

“By the way, you know, I sit on the stand and it’d get hot. I got a lot of — I got hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun,” Biden said. “And the kids used to come up and reach in the pool and rub my leg down so it was straight and then watch the hair come back up again.”
He concluded his tale by saying, “I love kids jumping on my lap.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/this-cant-be-real-life-joe-biden-leaves-many-grossed-out-with-story-about-his-leg-hair


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMGvAtW4AABaLZ?format=jpg&name=small)

Yeah, saw that on Twitter. Can someone explain to me what this means? I guess I don’t do enough drugs.

Smelling kids, or the weird speech about his leg hair?  If it's smelling kids, just google it there are hundreds of videos and photos of him being creepy with children, usually involving him sniffing them as he rubs or touches   them inappropriately while they have horrified looks on their faces. If it's the leg hair speech only Joe knows.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 03, 2019, 04:54:51 AM
His best chance is to keep his mouth shut and hope that the other candidates all collapse by shooting themselves in the foot. If he were to be elected, it would mean 4 years of doing basically nothing, which actually would be an improvment from the current situation.
 https://youtu.be/J6VjPM5CeWs (https://youtu.be/J6VjPM5CeWs)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 04, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
Smart girl

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-_YQi1UcAEBWyh?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on December 06, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
Calling potential voters “fat”, "damn liar,”  and “too old" isn't necessarily winning strategy!


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/biden-calls-iowa-voter-damn-liar-and-fat-after-ukraine-accusation.html? (contains video, check it  out)!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on December 06, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
Calling potential voters “fat”, "damn liar,”  and “too old" isn't necessarily winning strategy!


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/05/biden-calls-iowa-voter-damn-liar-and-fat-after-ukraine-accusation.html? (contains video, check it  out)!

He did also challenge the man to feats of strength in keeping with the Festivus season. Frank Costanza would be proud.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on December 06, 2019, 05:03:43 PM
Smart girl

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-_YQi1UcAEBWyh?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Her parents aren’t that smart for letting her run around in this shirt and a MAGA cap.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on February 10, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
Just in case if some of you (Joe fans) ain't gonna read Ukraine topic.

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/the-president-bribery-and-ukraine/msg395189/#msg395189
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 12, 2020, 06:06:24 AM
Not looking good for creepy Uncle Joe.  The title of this thread aside, I doubt there is a single timeline in the entire multiverse where this guy becomes president.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 12, 2020, 06:11:37 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 12, 2020, 07:00:47 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.

Yes, and surprisingly publically calling a woman a "lying dog-faced pony soldier" didn't turn everything around.  I thought for sure people would be like "I never liked Biden before, you know, touching kids and all.  But when I saw him call that woman a lying dog-faced pony soldier I just knew he had my vote."
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2020, 09:45:55 AM
It seems Joe's decline has largely coincided with all the impeachment stuff.

Joe is collateral damage from impeachment - by pursuing Trump with a fake impeachment hoax - the Democrats put the spotlight
on the real influence peddling scandal of Hunter Biden/Burisma and Uncle Joe's cover. Nothing like eating your own.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 25, 2020, 10:25:22 AM
"Where am I? What am I running for? Where are the little girls? Who am I? Am I me or am I the other Biden?"

OK, I'm exaggerating. He only said some of those things.

"Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has raised concern after he delivered a confused campaign speech in South Carolina, saying he was a “candidate for the United States Senate”

"Look me over, if you like what you see, help out. If not, vote for the other Biden"

Joe Biden tells crowd ‘I’m a candidate for the United States Senate’ in confused campaign speech
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-speech-senate-south-carolina-democratic-primary-video-election-2020-a9356366.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 05:06:40 PM
Virtually any frontrunner could be considered too old for almost any job:

Biden -77 years old, appears often not quite there.
Sanders - 78, heart attack
Bloomberg - 78 years old
Trump - 73 (almost 74), clinically obese.

I think the millennials really need to step up their game and bring someone forward like Kennedy in the 60’s if they want to change the way things are going.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on February 25, 2020, 05:34:33 PM
Virtually any frontrunner could be considered too old for almost any job:

Biden -77 years old, appears often not quite there.
Sanders - 78, heart attack
Bloomberg - 78 years old
Trump - 73 (almost 74), clinically obese.

I think the millennials really need to step up their game and bring someone forward like Kennedy in the 60’s if they want to change the way things are going.


There's old and there's old. Charlie Munger is 96 and yet doesn't ramble on about the other Munger.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 25, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/biden-says-he-worked-on-2016-climate-accord-with-leader-who-died-in-1997/

#OnlyJoe
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 05:56:42 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/biden-says-he-worked-on-2016-climate-accord-with-leader-who-died-in-1997/

#OnlyJoe

Trump pulls the same things. like for example when he implied Kansas City being in the state of Kansas.
 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/us/politics/trump-kansas-city-chiefs-tweet.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/02/us/politics/trump-kansas-city-chiefs-tweet.html)

I guess there is a reason why we never get to see his school records. He probably would fail the US citizen test as well.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on February 25, 2020, 06:20:45 PM
Despite the heart attack Bernie's mind still seems fresh. He and Bloomy seem the sharpest out of that list.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on February 25, 2020, 06:24:30 PM
Despite the heart attack Bernie's mind still seems fresh. He and Bloomy seem the sharpest out of that list.

I agree, Mentally, Bernie and Bloomberg are like spring chicken compared to Biden.
Anyways, Biden doesn’t look well in the debate tonight and if he does bad in South Carolina, he is probably going to fumble Super Tuesday and then he is done.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on February 29, 2020, 05:03:44 PM
Joe gets a big win in South Carolina, and the media gets back on its "paint the narrative" horse.

Folks, meet Hunter the artist!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-artist-town-name-biden-151434578.html

Humbly working from his thrifty enclave in the Hollywood Hills!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 01, 2020, 03:26:55 PM
Joe gets a big win in South Carolina, and the media gets back on its "paint the narrative" horse.

Folks, meet Hunter the artist!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/theres-artist-town-name-biden-151434578.html

Humbly working from his thrifty enclave in the Hollywood Hills!

The world would be better of if Trump Jr took up painting and Ivanka started an artisan business marking leather handbags and otherwise would never be heard off.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 02, 2020, 07:02:56 AM
I actually hope Biden is the eventual nominee.  For one, he is a lot less dangerous than Sanders.  I don't feel comfortable with Sanders that close to the presidency.   And Two, as I've said before, Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party, the Trump - Biden debates are going to be epic.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 03, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Our creator: 

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by — you know, you know, the thing.”
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Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 03, 2020, 01:16:39 PM
Joe is def gift that keeps on giving. https://youtu.be/L4ytSI4PFm4?t=93
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 03, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
Joe is def gift that keeps on giving. https://youtu.be/L4ytSI4PFm4?t=93

Imagine the economic boom if 750M women get back to work?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 03, 2020, 05:39:34 PM
On the other hand:
 https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21 (https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21)

Simple word decency, something that is sorely lacking with Trump. And Trump has just as many brain farts than Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cherzeca on March 03, 2020, 05:48:10 PM
On the other hand:
 https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21 (https://twitter.com/laurenbaer/status/1233071168279711744?s=21)

Simple word decency, something that is sorely lacking with Trump. And Trump has just as many brain farts than Biden.

good god, isn't decency oversold in a potus? we dont need a daddy to tell us how to live, we need a sonuvabitch to bring back jobs from overseas for daddy to work.  if you want decency, think back to jimmy in a sweater telling up he had adultery in his heart
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on March 03, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 03, 2020, 10:34:36 PM
Bloomberg's supporters would be voting for Biden if Bloomberg weren't in the race. 

At this point, Bloomberg is helping Bernie.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 04, 2020, 05:27:11 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

Bernie was a tail risk for the stock market that is now substantially reduced.

US elections are a binary affair. Almost anything can happen. I also think that the Covid-19 epidemic - how the economy develops and how the government handles it will play into the election outcome.

Bloomberg’s delegates will probably go towards Biden too. He also will quit the Race - his big bet on Super Tuesday didn’t work out.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 04, 2020, 05:31:03 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

One of the main reasons I started pairing down exposure in October with the end exposure reduction target being February was the Dem nomination process and the potential for a wild socialist candidate. I think we even had a few threads here about a Warren presidency, etc. Going from Trump and great economy to Socialist and Recession would indeed be devastating to markets.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 06:04:02 AM
If Biden gets the nomination the upcoming debates between Trump and him age going to be epic shit shows. The subsequent SNL parodies are going to be glorious  ;D.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 06:17:30 AM
I actually hope Biden is the eventual nominee.  For one, he is a lot less dangerous than Sanders.  I don't feel comfortable with Sanders that close to the presidency.   And Two, as I've said before, Biden is the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party, the Trump - Biden debates are going to be epic.

To reply to my own post:  I am pleasantly surprised Biden came out so strong yesterday.  Not that I want him to be president, but I consider him to be the lesser of all the evils on the Democratic side.  Neither a Biden presidency or another 4 years of Trump will be a disaster.  And the debates will be great.  Who ever wins the general election we are guaranteed multiply daily facepalms during the election and 4 more years of hilarity afterwards.

All and all the best outcome that could be hoped for with this crop of candidates.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 04, 2020, 07:26:21 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 07:50:53 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points. 

That's a shame.  I was hoping he'd stay in and spend more of his fortune running pointless TV ads.  :(
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 07:55:50 AM
It's interesting to note that Bernie would have won a few more states if Warren wasn't still in the race.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 07:57:13 AM
It's interesting to note that Bernie would have won a few more states if Warren wasn't still in the race.

Warren reassessing campaign after disappointing Super Tuesday
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485898-warren-reassessing-campaign-after-disappointing-super-tuesday

Bloomberg dropping out helps Biden, Warren dropping out would help Sanders.  I wonder if the party will put pressure on her to stay in until the end?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on March 04, 2020, 08:13:49 AM
What a massive turn of events. On Friday he looked finished. On Tuesday he looks SUPER. Moderate Democrats finally have picked their candidate to rally around. The bloom looks to be wearing off Bernie.

And stock futures are way up. I am starting to agree with those who think the Democratic race was also a factor in the big sell off last week in stocks (when it looked like Bernie was running away with the Democratic nomination).

Bernie was a tail risk for the stock market that is now substantially reduced.

US elections are a binary affair. Almost anything can happen. I also think that the Covid-19 epidemic - how the economy develops and how the government handles it will play into the election outcome.

Bloomberg’s delegates will probably go towards Biden too. He also will quit the Race - his big bet on Super Tuesday didn’t work out.

I think health care was a key issue that got the Democrats control of the House 18 months ago. I agree Coronovirus is shaping up to be THE issue moving forward; it does not look good for Trump. But as we have seen, things can change overnight :-)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 04, 2020, 09:37:41 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 04, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 

That's going to be a hard sell when your #1 issue by a long mile is disarming the American people.  But however he tries to brand himself running as an independent is still an option for him.  He certainly has the cash and is obviously willing to spend it.  Unlike Perot thought, he isn't any different from the major party candidates in any significant way.  He won't make much of an impact.   Perot was laser focused on the debt and deficit and had some things to say that no major party candidate was saying.  Bloomberg is just another politician saying the same old things.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 04, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992). 

That's going to be a hard sell when your #1 issue by a long mile is disarming the American people.  But however he tries to brand himself running as an independent is still an option for him.  He certainly has the cash and is obviously willing to spend it.  Unlike Perot thought, he isn't any different from the major party candidates in any significant way.  He won't make much of an impact.   Perot was laser focused on the debt and deficit and had some things to say that no major party candidate was saying.  Bloomberg is just another politician saying the same old things.

I would say that about Joe, but not Bloomberg.  :D  but i agree, his apology tour (https://youtu.be/G1vF6M34-ns?t=51) was phony as hell.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on March 04, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 04, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.

So Bloomberg was playing 4D Chess? I don't buy that for a minute. If that were true then he would have simply lobbied for Trump who is better for his "war chest" than any of the democrats. Why beat around the bush waste time, humiliate yourself and spend 600m when you could just give your endorsement?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 04, 2020, 04:38:09 PM
Bloomberg drops out, markets instantly pop a few more points.

If Bloomberg's main goal was to get rid off Trump. He should've 're-branded' himself as a hardcore republican (which he is) and run as a independent. That way he would have harmed much more Trump (alá R.  Perot 1992).

That's a big if. Bloomberg's not an idiot he wanted to steal some votes from Bernie/Warren to give to Smokin' Joe - who would presumably protect Bloomie's own war chest if he's elected. Hedging his bets.

So Bloomberg was playing 4D Chess? I don't buy that for a minute. If that were true then he would have simply lobbied for Trump who is better for his "war chest" than any of the democrats. Why beat around the bush waste time, humiliate yourself and spend 600m when you could just give your endorsement?

I think it was just a gamble for him. He spent like $500M (tax deductible I presume) with a net worth of $50B (or more) that’s just 1% of his net worth. He is 78 and can’t take it with him, so in that sense, I guess the gamble was worth it for him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 05, 2020, 08:13:23 AM
And another one's gone

Elizabeth Warren ends presidential run
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1150436

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 05, 2020, 08:58:19 AM
In coming months it will be fun to watch when all those f*ckers  go after Bernie & his campaign. They're already comparing his campaign to the coronavirus and rise of the Nazis.  :D

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/bernie-lets-loose-on-corporate-media-after-super-tuesday-stumble-this-campaign-has-been-compared-to-the-coronavirus/

*dem establishment & fake news media
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 05, 2020, 10:04:04 AM
If Bernie really wanted to screw with them, he could go as a 3rd party candidate. Trump would almost certainly win then. Bernie is crazy, but I like the guy. I don't like the Democrats ganging up on him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 06, 2020, 07:06:30 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 06, 2020, 07:13:13 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

Don't worry.  Trump is always talking and tweeting.  I wouldn't expect that to stop simply because he has nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 06, 2020, 07:24:57 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 06, 2020, 07:28:44 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.

It is a parody of Trump, who constantly talks about the stock market as a measure of his prowess.

Google search for "idiot" and then click 'Images'.  Yes, they are all images of Trump.  Idiotic for sure.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 06, 2020, 07:30:38 AM
Well, I don't know what Trump is going to talk about now. 

The stock market during Obama/Biden's first term has thus far outperformed Trump, and their second term also outperformed Trump's first term. 

Not that the President has any control over that, but Trump always brings it up.

Both job growth and GDP growth under Trump is slower too.

I don't know how serious you're about that, but that's simply idiotic way to look at it.

It is a parody of Trump, who constantly talks about the stock market as a measure of his prowess.

Google search for "idiot" and then click 'Images'.  Yes, they are all images of Trump.  Idiotic for sure.
:D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 08, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
One of my favorites.
https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1236697054426075136

oh boy...

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1236695459130998785

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 10, 2020, 01:58:06 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 10, 2020, 04:34:30 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 10, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?

Biden clearly doesn’t understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment.

Also

That guys was definitely looking to get a rise out of Biden.

Lastly

Why try to entrap Biden into saying something he has said a million times on record?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 10, 2020, 06:58:06 PM
Anyways, Biden won Michigan and a few other states on Mini Tuesday, so Sanders is done for good. So it is indeed Ole Joe Biden against Donnie T. Enjoy the show.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 10, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on March 10, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 10, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

People thought Trump would be a disaster. He hasn't been a total disaster.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 11, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
Getting Bernie out of there was the right move. Democracy be damned, Sanders would have been a disaster. I can live with Biden even though I prefer Trump. The same shit that drives moderate Dems nuts about Trump, I am sure drive moderate Republicans nuts about Biden. But neither is going to impact my ability to make a living.

People thought Trump would be a disaster. He hasn't been a total disaster.

For much different reasons though.  People didn't think Trump would be a disaster because he was opposed to the economic system that has lifted billions out of poverty and supported one that has murdered hundreds of millions in one century.  They just thought he was crude and stupid (which he is).

Funny to nominate Biden though if you don't like crude and stupid.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on March 11, 2020, 06:12:30 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 11, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xhNSH5Pns4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sc4cWUCaBk
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 11, 2020, 07:51:14 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 11, 2020, 08:10:32 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719

Collectively there is about half a brain between Trump and Biden.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.
What did they do to Bernie?

The screwed him in 2016 (actually fed questions to Clinton before the debate).

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donna-brazile-wikileaks-fallout-230553


And they convinced these guys to drop out right before Super Tuesday and endorse Biden to stop Sanders. Talk about a democracy.

I personally don't think Sanders would be that bad because there are a lot things in place to stop foolishness. I do think we need to be more vigilant of the middle class getting destroyed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on March 11, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Jesus, what a bunch of cry babies the Bernie ppl are. The difference between Bernie winning and loosing the 2016 primary was one question at one debate?

Now people aren't allowed to drop out of primaries because that doesn't help Bernie? Just like Trump. When you can't win start yelling RIGGED! RIGGED!

You know what else the the Democrats did to Bernie? They let him compete in the primary even though he wasn't a member of the party. If I was in their place I sure as shit wouldn't have allowed it. You wanna be the leader of the party? Wear the fucking hat.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
Jesus, what a bunch of cry babies the Bernie ppl are. The difference between Bernie winning and loosing the 2016 primary was one question at one debate?

Now people aren't allowed to drop out of primaries because that doesn't help Bernie? Just like Trump. When you can't win start yelling RIGGED! RIGGED!

You know what else the the Democrats did to Bernie? They let him compete in the primary even though he wasn't a member of the party. If I was in their place I sure as shit wouldn't have allowed it. You wanna be the leader of the party? Wear the fucking hat.

It wasn't just "one question."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on March 11, 2020, 12:25:32 PM
I love Joe's style, he tells potential voter how he's "full of shit," and calls him a "horse's ass,". ;D

https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1237460923415134209

This guy is not a potential voter at least not for him. Note how he reads his question from his cellphone. Staged. I actually like Biden‘s answer, he says it the way it is. This guy is full of shit and looks for a blurb not an answer. Anyways if the helmet guy is concerned about  having a president who uses vulgar language every once in a while, he can’t vote for Trump either, can he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OBlffJbBEQ
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 11, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
I might vote against Biden because of what they did to Bernie. I figure the media will turn a blind eye to Biden but will stay on Trump hard when he does shady things. It's a good way to balance things out. Trump is a turd but he seems to be more with it cognitively than Biden.

Trump is paranoid.  Just look at how the COVID-19 is just another hoax and is really a sinister media plot to take down his presidency.  It's just like his insane deep-state stuff.  He isn't mentally fit for the job.

Trump makes it "all about him".  A narcissist does that, and in the case of COVID-19 it puts the country at peril.

Former CIA director Brennan:  "I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable to put the country first"
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/brennan-i-wonder-if-trump-s-psychologically-capable-to-put-the-country-s-well-being-first-80342085719

I agree with you. At least GOP let the groundswell happen. They let the people speak. Like I said, I think the media will be harder on Trump which acts somewhat of a hedge against him.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 11, 2020, 04:27:33 PM
I bet a lot of Republicans wish they had allowed Trump to be impeached. It would have increased their chances to stay in power.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on March 13, 2020, 06:24:19 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on March 13, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

It's unfortunate how corrupt the system is. :(

Stuff like this makes me want Bernie. I think this kinda stuff continues under Biden or Trump. If people want rewards, they should also bear the risk.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on March 13, 2020, 08:32:04 AM
More paranoia:  Trump makes it all about him (narcissism again).  The world is out to get him, don't you know.


Trump watched angrily from the West Wing Thursday as stock markets tumbled to their worst percentage loss since the 1987 Black Friday, casting blame on the Federal Reserve for what he increasingly believes is an attempt to ruin his presidency.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/trump-coronavirus-statement-markets/index.html

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on March 13, 2020, 06:26:06 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

I think liquidity should be available, but at a high price. Similar deal like with Warren Buffet
 Buffet, 10% yielding preferred and equity warrants. If they don’t need it, fine, if they can get a better deal at private markets then there really isn’t a problem. How much did the airlines spent on buybacks and dividends the last few years? If you are an airline exec, things like this should be part of the course of business, as they are roughly 10 year events. If you can’t last past those, you shouldn’t be in business.

Cruise lines are even worse. Their ships sail under a Liberian flag (or other low regulation/low cost flag), and they don’t really pay US taxes, nor is any US citizen or person employed on these ships, they are all Indian or phillipinos. Which is fine, but one shouldn’t even consider bailing them out. they should go to the Liberian government asking for help and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on March 13, 2020, 06:45:14 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.

Cruise lines are even worse. Their ships sail under a Liberian flag (or other low regulation/low cost flag), Nd they don’t rally pay US taxes, nor is art any US citizen or person employed on these ships, they are all Indian or phillipinos. Which is fine, but one shouldn’t even consider bailing them out. they should go to the Liberian government asking for help Nd see how it goes.

+1

Not to mention why they sail under foreign flags, since those countries have extremely lax labor laws. They can get away with paying their workers chump change. Those workers have a terrible lifestyle.  The worst part is the workers aren't even allowed to eat the food made for customers. And we all know how much food is wasted on these ships. They have their own bland, basic meals that they're provided. I'm a libertarian and it still irks me. At least treat people humanely.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: dwy000 on March 13, 2020, 09:04:58 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 22, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.

No, of course, it won't.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/

This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on March 23, 2020, 04:30:14 AM
"There will be liquidity available."
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
No, of course, it won't.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/
This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
BTW, (opinion), we all do that to a certain degree, a degree that can reach many standard deviations from the norm in some people.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 23, 2020, 05:45:43 AM
"There will be liquidity available."
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"
This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.
No, of course, it won't.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/when-the-rapture-doesnt-happen-how-will-harold-camping-react/
This blog post is about social proof, but it also shows how people simply adjust their perception of reality in order to fit their set of beliefs.
BTW, (opinion), we all do that to a certain degree, a degree that can reach many standard deviations from the norm in some people.

Indeed. Us thinking participants have limited ability to perceive objective reality. I'd also add that if by coincidence we do have the ability to be somewhat more flexible and go 180 on our own opinions, it's simply because we were born with way.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on March 23, 2020, 07:27:22 AM
Indeed. Us thinking participants have limited ability to perceive objective reality. I'd also add that if by coincidence we do have the ability to be somewhat more flexible and go 180 on our own opinions, it's simply because we were born with way.
Indeed. One has to balance the ability to change opinion with evolving facts while retaining the immunity to remain enslaved to the thoughts of a defunct economist.  :)

You may remember that we had a previous exchange in this thread about Mr. Biden’s odds. I had raised the theory that Mr. Biden could be the “peace of mind” or “zombie” candidate. I’m still not sure how to integrate this into individual security investment decisions but the Market behaves more and more like a drug addict, requiring both a huge and unprecedented monetary and fiscal boost in the same day, to avoid seeing red. All I can say is that drug addicts tend to be unpredictable and unreliable so I’m not sure what kind of candidate the world’s greatest nation needs. A war time president?

BTW, around the kitchen table yesterday (almost everybody’s home now), the following topic came up: let’s say the government sends one-time and periodic checks to everyone, who’s going to pay? I remained silent and thought all answers were unsatisfactory, given that the “pay” part will be inversely proportional to one’s age. Sometimes it’s better not to know?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on March 23, 2020, 08:38:32 AM
BTW, around the kitchen table yesterday (almost everybody’s home now), the following topic came up: let’s say the government sends one-time and periodic checks to everyone, who’s going to pay?

"Money is an illusion, grasshopper" - Not Karl Marx
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: hillfronter83 on March 23, 2020, 09:16:52 AM
"There will be liquidity available."

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election. Any small mom and pop shop that closes or any individuals who "feel the pain" will read that line with great contempt.
"I don't take responsibility at all"

This could be the line to cause Trump to lose the election.  Truman kept a sign on his desk "the buck stops here".  When you're president that's the fact.

It seems many areas haven't been hit hard by voronavirus yet.

https://www.newsweek.com/if-55-americans-are-okay-how-trump-handling-coronavirus-why-are-so-many-people-online-rage-1493428
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on March 24, 2020, 06:02:49 AM
 Cigarbutt

It would be really disappointing if all we get is a Biden after all this mess. I was really hoping that if things get really bad we'll be seeing a real change... oh well, better than nothing (read: Trump) as long as he works to strengthen the institutions, so it won't be that easy to take them down when the next psycho becomes president.




Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on March 24, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
Cigarbutt

It would be really disappointing if all we get is a Biden after all this mess. I was really hoping that if things get really bad we'll be seeing a real change... oh well, better than nothing (read: Trump) as long as he works to strengthen the institutions, so it won't be that easy to take them down when the next psycho becomes president.

I've previously been saying that Trump will win, but things have changed so radically that I'm not sure what will happen.  I wouldn't put money on Trump winning, so we could end up with an old senile kiddy grabber instead.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on April 08, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on April 08, 2020, 11:57:50 AM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco

Oh, man that is incredible!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on April 08, 2020, 12:00:31 PM
The candidates we end up with....

https://youtu.be/5XqF4wA-dco


Sanders Fails To Sexually Harass Enough Women To Win Race
https://unsubscribedmedia.com/2020/04/08/sanders-fails-to-sexually-harass-enough-women-to-win-race/

"I apologize for making exactly zero percent of you feel uncomfortable, or even slightly scared to be near me."
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on May 05, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
Good vid on the Biden sexual scandal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxCbPc6fYA
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 01, 2020, 05:27:24 AM
If this is the best accuser Trump, Putin, Jacob Wohl and their minions could come up with against Biden, then he [Biden] can have my vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 03, 2020, 08:35:50 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 03, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 03, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?
Effective policing is much more difficult a nut to crack that most people realize. It not the first time someone thought of the shooting in the leg proposition. Neither is it the first time someone has rejected the idea of shooting in the leg with a long list of objections.

Even George Floyd might be much closer to an unintentional tragedy than most people realize.

Plus, when you combine everything that's been going on in the country with the fact that some police forces have had serious problems with Coronavirus sickening or killing officers, it's a situation that is ripe for mistakes. Personally, I wouldn't want to go around hugging random members of the public right now when you have no idea who has the virus and who doesn't. In some parts of the county the virus risk to a cop is low, in other parts of the country it's not. I think we are lucky we have not seen more tragedies.

Another issue is that Trump has been dehumanizing many members of society, and we are seeing police attacks on media members in a way that has never been seen in America before. In my opinion this instances are likely caused by cops who are FoxNews viewers, or Trump rally attendees who believe all the hatred spewed at "mainstream media".

I have not noticed any attacks on FoxNews reporters yet.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 03, 2020, 11:38:30 AM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 03, 2020, 12:08:17 PM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 03, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL
Well it's standard police practice in most of the civilized world outside of North America. Seems to work just fine. But sure.... liberals.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 03, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
That Babylon Bee sure makes up the most hilarious stuff...Oh, wait, OMG this isn't satire.

Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-police-could-shoot-assailants-in-the-leg-instead-of-the-heart-201750470.html
I don't see what's hilarious in there?

Ha, this is why liberals are impossible to talk to about gun issues.  You get your shooting experience and understanding of the topic from Hollywood.   Maybe we can just train them to shoot the guns out of suspects hands.  LOL

I actually took a self defense class / handgun training class years and they taught to stop the “stop the threat” and pretty much to empty the clip and kill the opponent more or less.

It’s different in Germany and the rest of Europe (I am familiar with the gun practice there, because my dad was hunter and had handguns, which is unusual in Germany) and threatening the use of handgun before actually use lethal force or disabling the opponent is strongly encouraged.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Ice77 on June 03, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
The age old debate..
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 06:27:15 AM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o

I agree with you on everything other than you should be shooting at peoples legs.  To solve the police problem we need to

1) Stop issuing military equipment to police.
2) Get rid of qualified immunity. If a 21 year old black guy with baggy pants couldn't make that shot and have it be ruled justified than a police officer shouldn't either. No more cops shooting unarmed men in the back or lying on the ground in a hallway with their hands in the air begging "please don't shoot me".
3) Require police wear body cameras and make it a felony to turn off a body camera while interacting in anyway with the public.
4) End no knock warrants.
5) End the war on drugs and legalize all victimless crimes.
6) Train police to de-escalate rather than use violence as a first option.
7) Have police work like fire and rescue. Sit in the station and wait until someone calls them for help.
8) Stop firing police officers who cross the blue line to speak out or stop bad cops from hurting people.  In fact it should be an accomodation to arrest a fellow officer for wrong doing.
9) Outlaw police unions.  (all public unions actually, but especially police unions, they work for us and we should be able to fire them individually when necessary).

That would be a good start.  To really solve the problem would be to get rid of police entirely and leave protection and security to the free market.  (I know, and I don't want to start this discussion here).

The problems with shooting for the legs is mainly that you could still hit an artery and kill the person, so you should never shoot anyone unless killing him is justified.  And since when you are shooting someone and you believe killing him is justified, then you shouldn't shoot for the legs because:  1) A leg is small and usually in motion.  It is hard enough to hit a man-sized target center of mass when under stress, shooting for something as small as a leg is almost impossible if you aren't Annie Oakley.   Second as you mentioned over penetration is a problem, but a lot of rounds that miss a small target like the legs is more of a problem.  3rd, someone attacking you pumped up on adrenaline shot in the leg can still come after you most of the time and can certainly shoot back at you.   If you are justified in killing someone in self defense your best chance for survival is to shoot center of mass.  If you are not justified in killing someone then you are not justified in shooting them in the leg.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 06:35:42 AM
I want to add that when police were given tasers it was thought that they would finally have a non-lethal way of stopping people, but some people did die when tasers were used on them, and police have been  on video using the tasers to torture people who were not a threat to them, even handcuffed suspects lying on the ground.  When police think something is non-lethal they abuse it more than when they think it is lethal.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on June 04, 2020, 06:43:03 AM
Missed targets and over-penetration are very dangerous to everyone around the area.

That's actually why less than lethal should be more widespread, and why our police shouldn't be outfitted like a private army. And their goal should be to de-escalate situations wherever possible, not gain control through overwhelming force.

But I get that in some circles that's like asking to fact check Donald Trump  :o

I agree with you on everything other than you should be shooting at peoples legs.  To solve the police problem we need to

1) Stop issuing military equipment to police.
2) Get rid of qualified immunity. If a 21 year old black guy with baggy pants couldn't make that shot and have it be ruled justified than a police officer shouldn't either. No more cops shooting unarmed men in the back or lying on the ground in a hallway with their hands in the air begging "please don't shoot me".
3) Require police wear body cameras and make it a felony to turn off a body camera while interacting in anyway with the public.
4) End no knock warrants.
5) End the war on drugs and legalize all victimless crimes.
6) Train police to de-escalate rather than use violence as a first option.
7) Have police work like fire and rescue. Sit in the station and wait until someone calls them for help.
8) Stop firing police officers who cross the blue line to speak out or stop bad cops from hurting people.  In fact it should be an accomodation to arrest a fellow officer for wrong doing.
9) Outlaw police unions.  (all public unions actually, but especially police unions, they work for us and we should be able to fire them individually when necessary).

That would be a good start.  To really solve the problem would be to get rid of police entirely and leave protection and security to the free market.  (I know, and I don't want to start this discussion here).

The problems with shooting for the legs is mainly that you could still hit an artery and kill the person, so you should never shoot anyone unless killing him is justified.  And since when you are shooting someone and you believe killing him is justified, then you shouldn't shoot for the legs because:  1) A leg is small and usually in motion.  It is hard enough to hit a man-sized target center of mass when under stress, shooting for something as small as a leg is almost impossible if you aren't Annie Oakley.   Second as you mentioned over penetration is a problem, but a lot of rounds that miss a small target like the legs is more of a problem.  3rd, someone attacking you pumped up on adrenaline shot in the leg can still come after you most of the time and can certainly shoot back at you.   If you are justified in killing someone in self defense your best chance for survival is to shoot center of mass.  If you are not justified in killing someone then you are not justified in shooting them in the leg.

Excellent list! Even if I don't agree with you on other things, if you are ever up for police commissioner you have my vote!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 04, 2020, 06:53:05 AM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8]. I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 04, 2020, 07:00:26 AM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8). I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.

Yeah, you have to have cops on the street. I also think that there are scenarios in which cops need access to more "fire power". However, the rules or limitations for when they could be utilized deserves a look. Unions are a big issue in the public sector. Nothing under tax payer dollars should have that type of protection. Who's serving who?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 04, 2020, 07:01:07 AM
Also a good listen on politics and media in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9Tpf5Uuxs
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 04, 2020, 07:11:46 AM
Excellent list! Even if I don't agree with you on other things, if you are ever up for police commissioner you have my vote!

LOL,  Thanks for your support, but I doubt I'll be police commissioner any time soon. 

I should have added that to my list:

10) Make me police commissioner.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 04, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
I agree shooting at people's legs is silly. Either shoot for the torso or don't shoot at all.

I also agree on all of your points with the tentative exception of 8). I guess the counterpoint is that by having cops on the streets, they are able to respond quickly and from more areas - easier to ringfence fleeing suspects. But I agree the idea of having an armed group roaming communities to "prevent crime" is pretty close to an intimidation/show of force. So that one I can go either way on.

Great point on the tasers, btw. We're seeing the same thing with tear gas/pepper bullets here in Denver. It's non-lethal so hey let's just blast 'em with it! And the union is a total failure. Everyone knows these bad cops should be fired (hell, even the union reps do), but the union is forced to defend them. It's terrible.

Yeah, you have to have cops on the street. I also think that there are scenarios in which cops need access to more "fire power". However, the rules or limitations for when they could be utilized deserves a look. Unions are a big issue in the public sector. Nothing under tax payer dollars should have that type of protection. Who's serving who?

The biggest impact of unions in public service jobs is that they basically determine who can be hired. They protect “bad apples” amongst themselves. It’s one thing in desk jobs, but it’s quite another when literally lives are on the line.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 05, 2020, 03:14:25 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-strongest-challenger-in-modern-history-as-protests-coronavirus-send-trump-reeling-160925201.html

Biden is the strongest challenger in modern history, and the stock market seems to like the idea.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 09, 2020, 10:07:22 AM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on June 09, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!

LOL, now is the time to elect the drug warrior who wrote the crime bill in the 90s and a super cop.  I have no love for the Orange Fuhrer, but I don't want a cop anywhere near the Whitehouse.
 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 09, 2020, 02:24:54 PM
The VP pick will reveal again the lessons learned or not learned from the Democrats. If they picked someone with substance, say a Romney or of that ilk, it would be a damn near guarantee they'd win. However I doubt they've learned anything and the party still operates under the assumption that minority groups are mindless idiots. As such, dur, we need a black, a women, and a socialist so that we can get the black, female, and poor vote....Kabala Harris, come on down!

It has previously been revealed that Rep. Val Deming is being vetted for V.P..  She served as Chief of Police in Orlando, Florida. 

Romney would be a great choice.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 09, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
Romney is never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 04:42:24 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/06/11/student-loans-biden-forgiveness-college/

So, Biden wants to create further wealth inequality by forgiving loans for people who are already making more money (only about 1/3 of Americans have a 4 year degree and only about 60% have any college)? Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

What about those that didn't go to college or even dropped out of high school? What about those that worked and paid down loans? Why are the people who are most likely in higher paying job getting another advantage?

Screw 'em, right, Joe?

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 08:27:38 AM
Also think about how many of those people without degrees chose to forgo them because they made a responsible decision and deemed them either unaffordable, or not worth the money....Seems like in every corner of the universe, we are rewarding(or bailing out) risk takers.

My wife has some student loans. She's had them consistently rearranged to make payments as small as possible, because of the very real possibility that they will eventually be forgiven.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 12:45:06 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

How do you square that statement? If life was fair? Your father presumably worked hard to give his kids the best life possible. Whether he made an excessive amount of money and was rewarded by seeing his kids get the best, or made sacrifices and passed up things for himself, to fund your school. In my wife's case, her father did too and paid for what he could. The rest, she took out loans for. Ferrari's arent for everyone, and neither is higher education.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 13, 2020, 01:09:49 PM
Why should high school be free?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on June 13, 2020, 01:16:17 PM
Why should high school be free?

It's certainly not "free" in the USA - if you own a home here, most of the tax goes to education.
And unfortunately, the education seems to get worse even though the taxes skyrocket.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 01:22:30 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

How do you square that statement? If life was fair? Your father presumably worked hard to give his kids the best life possible. Whether he made an excessive amount of money and was rewarded by seeing his kids get the best, or made sacrifices and passed up things for himself, to fund your school. In my wife's case, her father did too and paid for what he could. The rest, she took out loans for. Ferrari's arent for everyone, and neither is higher education.

I'm speculating that if we took talented people from poor families and gave them free tuition, they could then create generations of wealth in a positive cycle.

My father worked hard as an engineer for HP and was employed there for over 30 years.  Growing up in Australia, he went to Knox Grammar School in Sydney, and then on to study electrical engineering at the University of Sydney.  He paid for none of it.  His father was an engineer, you get the picture.

It's not a bad thing to put an advanced degree into the hands of a family where there has been generations of hard workers in low paying jobs.

I'm in favor of an expanded scholarship program though.  Complicating things, there are families that won't help their kids even though the parents are wealthy enough to pay their way.  My wife falls into that bucket -- she bristles at the scholarships that were not available to her simply because her parents' income disqualified her.



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 01:25:57 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 13, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Since when?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 13, 2020, 02:06:37 PM
If, I was able to do the gymnastics to get behind eliminating student loans, I would think they need to only eliminate loans for community college and in state schools.Instances where clearly, getting an education was 100% the driver of the decision making process. Anything beyond that, IE out of state tuition costs and private colleges, is basically subsidizing what is, on at the very least a significant level, a lifestyle/experience venture and rightfully cost way more than it should have.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
Why should high school be free?

The government is not changing the game after the fact.  ::)
Since when?

Everyone alive currently has a free option for high school. You can choose that now. There is nothing being decided on after people start the process.

Almost everyone pays for college. If you go to a cheaper school or don't go and then government changes the rules after the fact, that is wrong.

You really don't see the difference or are you just trying to defend your candidate?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:13:11 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

I did go to community college, I went to Foothill College in California.  I would have no problem with a program of free tuition for completing the 4 yr degree for those who complete the first two years at community college with at least a B average.  That would weed out a lot of people and keep expenses down.  Or simplify it and simply offer last 2 yrs worth of free credits at a 4-yr institution (to be fair to those who don't want to go to community college).



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 13, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
If, I was able to do the gymnastics to get behind eliminating student loans, I would think they need to only eliminate loans for community college and in state schools.Instances where clearly, getting an education was 100% the driver of the decision making process. Anything beyond that, IE out of state tuition costs and private colleges, is basically subsidizing what is, on at the very least a significant level, a lifestyle/experience venture and rightfully cost way more than it should have.

I second that.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
Seems pretty entitled and privileged to get a degree...and have someone else pay for it.

My father paid for mine.  If life was fair our parents would not be allowed to help us.

I don't know what is fair, but I know my GPA qualifies me for grad school because I didn't need to work a full-time job and could spend that time studying.  Without that time to study, quite possibly not.

I never said life was fair. The government should not be helping people after the fact. If the government wants to make college free going forward that's not as objectionable (but I still don't like it). Everyone knows that when making their decisions.

However, if you ended up not going to college due to costs or already paid off your student loans or went to a worse school than you were capable (due to costs) it is absolutely wrong for the government to come out and say "well, you were prudent. The other folks weren't. So we're giving them money."

So, not only do these folks (probably) have a higher income, the government is assisting them while others are not benefiting. So you get a higher income...and for free!

We'll see how this plays out with voters.

Well, it does create jealousy, sure.  I'm just saying that there is already plenty to be jealous about, this is just one more thing.  Such as being born into a family that can fully fund you.  Or not living in a crime-ridden neighborhood.  Inequality is everywhere, and a step towards leveling the playing field is equal opportunity for all -- not exactly achieved through free tuition alone, but it's a step.

Eric, you went to community college!

Many, many people can afford to go that route...but don't.

There is jealously but there is also unfairness. This is very unfair. I think fairness is a better term. If you play by the rules and make smart decisions and someone else doesn't - and they get rewarded for it, that's unfair.

I did go to community college, I went to Foothill College in California.  I would have no problem with a program of free tuition for completing the 4 yr degree for those who complete the first two years at community college with at least a B average.  That would weed out a lot of people and keep expenses down.

I always remembered that because that's what I did too. ;)

I would have less of a problem of community college being free. I think colleges should have skin in the game.. Basically if your students are just drinking and not learning, the school would be on the line for that. I would have no problem with colleges being free for folks who want to give up X% of their income.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 04:41:52 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 04:46:41 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 05:35:12 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.

What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 13, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
Are we back on education? We routinely make the rounds here in the politics section. I believe next up is immigration.😉

Anyways, I am partial to allowing student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, after say 7-10 years.

That would work as long as you lost the degree and/or barred from the industry you were working in/or degree related.

What makes you say that?

You shouldn't be able to get the benefits (job/degree) of something you ended up not paying for. It would also give people more skin in the game. Colleges should also take a hit. Like if certain percentage of students file for degree bankruptcy, the school would face funding cuts.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 13, 2020, 07:40:11 PM
I think you're making a false assumption about what a school provides. Accepting tuition is not a contractual agreement to guarantee an education or post-attendance employment.

Rather it is an agreement which allows the student to attend classes and use the services of the school, for a period of time. When this period ends, those services also end.

Similarly, if a student doesn't learn a single thing during their period of attendance, they cannot force the university to stop educating in that field of industry/area of degree.

But if that is not convincing, let me try another angle:

Let's say I am pursuing an expensive degree with a high potential ROI, for example I am studying to be a surgeon.

I've got boatloads of loans. But now I've finished residency and my 10 year clock is ticking (coincidentally, the average repayment time for medical loans is about 10 yrs). But for the next 10 years I'm earning six+_figures, I have a nice house, a nice car, a wife, maybe a kid or two. Am I really going to sell the house, the car, liquidate the investments, torpedo my credit, put my kid in public school, torpedo my wife's credit...all to save on the remainder of my student loans?

I think after ten years you've got two groups of people: those whose student loan investment has paid off (i.e. the example I just described) and those who made the "wrong choice" (e.g. the philosophy major working in Starbucks). This second group probably deserves loan forgiveness. I mean, they still have to go thru bankruptcy process which is damaging - but they have spent 10 years with little to show from their student loans.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 14, 2020, 06:56:03 AM
If you are talking about it as an investment, then allow expenses to be deducted from earnings.  Cost of books and tuition can be carried forward against future earned income until fully written off.

You should only be taxed on your gains if it is an investment.

Perhaps one argues that it is an intangible asset that should be amortized over time -- then allow a percentage to be written off each year (perhaps carried over 20 years).  However any interest on a loan should be fully allowed each year.

Even if your particular education was a poor investment (masters in basket weaving), that should not disqualify you for writing it off.  We don't disallow poor investments from being written off in the business world.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 14, 2020, 08:35:16 AM
I think you're making a false assumption about what a school provides. Accepting tuition is not a contractual agreement to guarantee an education or post-attendance employment.

Rather it is an agreement which allows the student to attend classes and use the services of the school, for a period of time. When this period ends, those services also end.

Similarly, if a student doesn't learn a single thing during their period of attendance, they cannot force the university to stop educating in that field of industry/area of degree.

But if that is not convincing, let me try another angle:

Let's say I am pursuing an expensive degree with a high potential ROI, for example I am studying to be a surgeon.

I've got boatloads of loans. But now I've finished residency and my 10 year clock is ticking (coincidentally, the average repayment time for medical loans is about 10 yrs). But for the next 10 years I'm earning six+_figures, I have a nice house, a nice car, a wife, maybe a kid or two. Am I really going to sell the house, the car, liquidate the investments, torpedo my credit, put my kid in public school, torpedo my wife's credit...all to save on the remainder of my student loans?

I think after ten years you've got two groups of people: those whose student loan investment has paid off (i.e. the example I just described) and those who made the "wrong choice" (e.g. the philosophy major working in Starbucks). This second group probably deserves loan forgiveness. I mean, they still have to go thru bankruptcy process which is damaging - but they have spent 10 years with little to show from their student loans.

LC:

I don't think you fully realize what is going on and has been going on in higher education for a long while now.  "Educators" have been lying about the results their graduates achieve, both in terms of percentage employed in the field AND the amount the employed make in that field.  When skools are charging hundreds of thousands for their product and misrepresenting it's value, then yes, they've got a problem, a bigly problem.   This has been true in the legal profession since AT LEAST the 90's.  That is why there were so many lawsuits against law schools.

There are TONS of graduates who "did everything right" and can't pay down/off their student loans.  I'm not talking about basket/weaving or philosophy majors. 

Unfortunately, it is not just the law schools that have a problem. 

You've got hordes & hordes of people educated at lower level & middling (sometimes even higher ranked skools) that can't find employment in their field at a rate sufficient to pay their loans and personal expenses.  The figures published in USNWR are pure fiction.  Have you ever heard or seen a skool that says the return on their education is negative or minimal? 

Why do "educators" get a pass on the product they are selling?  Car dealers, investment advisors, doctors and others are not allowed to make the claims that the education industrial complex is allowed to make.

We need to allow bankruptcy in student loans after a period of time (say 5 years?).  You can then give up your license or diploma.  Get in a federal data base of discharge/invalid education, and then move on.  Once your debt is discharged, go after the school/and or cut it's funding.

How many young people's lives are we going to allow to be ruined to simply transfer wealth to the education industrial complex?  This has been going on for way too long and needs to stop.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
I'm not disputing that but what I am proposing is a free market solution that is agnostic of the cause.

Yes, perhaps the student debt bubble is caused by lying schools. And perhaps it is caused by dumb borrowers and dumb lenders. In reality it is a mix of both.

Here's another example to illustrate your point:

I'm the same student, training to become a surgeon. But now I enroll in Trump Medical & Clown College and take out the same 400,000 of debt. But to my complete shock, my entire program is mastering the game of "Operation" and my teacher wears a squeaky red nose, large floppy shoes, and drives an incredibly small car. And to my further surprise, upon graduation I am not accepted to any residency program.

I am essentially now a surgically-trained Starbucks barista, fit to pull espresso and perform appendectomies on the Trump family - all because I went to a Medical SKOOL as you allude.

In my opinion, after 5 or 7 or 10 years (I don't know the "right" amount of time) of being said barista, you should be able to discharge that Clown College Loan in bankruptcy. And hell, if you want to form a class action civil suit - I say go for it.

And over time lenders will see how many of these loans are being discharged, and will adjust their lending practices.

I think this is a much more elegant solution than trying to regulate the sale of these services.

I'd argue selling education is more similar to the late night infomercial guy who sold a $500 "you can triple your money flipping houses!" program. Is it a scam? Well - depends. I'm sure there is 1 guy out of 1000 who tripled his money. But yes for 99% it's a scam. But ultimately I think the buyer needs to bear more responsibility than you suggest.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 14, 2020, 10:13:01 AM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 12:17:52 PM
In order to be a surgeon, you typically have to go through undergrad (4 years), med school (4 years). residency (usually 3 years) and fellowship (usually 2-3 but can be longer depending on specialty). If you're happening to work on your PhD at the same time, that can take even longer.

So, yes, it might be very wise for the surgeon to "torpedo" his life since he would have just started working and the 10 year clock is about to end on at least a portion of it.

Yes, I understand that people make mistakes. That's why if the school accepts someone then the school should be on the hook. It is absolutely ridiculous that the government should bail out someone for their personal decisions.

I see no reason that "well, I've worked for 10 years with nothing to show for it, so someone else can pay this off" should be the rule. That doesn't fix the underlying issue (colleges aren't properly preparing people for the workforce). Perhaps we should also bailout individuals who don't save for retirement?

How much of this stuff would happen if the government stepped out of student loans?

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.

Trump saying that "I ran the last 10 feet" is pure ego (and dumb). I don't really find it that alarming that a 74 year old guy is taking his time going down something. He's right that the media would have torched him if he had fallen.

However, someone posted Obama running up the same platform. Really? Obama is 16 years younger than Trump and running up! It's way, way easier to run up something like that than going down.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 12:54:50 PM
A 40-45 year old surgeon making 400k is going to declare bankruptcy and sell all their assets to dispose of student loans?

I strongly disagree with that, Paul.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
A 40-45 year old surgeon making 400k is going to declare bankruptcy and sell all their assets to dispose of student loans?

I strongly disagree with that, Paul.

You're usually starting at early to mid 30s. A lot of doctors aren't married before they finish. The average student loan debt for doctors is about $200,000. Some have way, way more.

You could pretty easily wipe out a good chunk all before settling down with a family through bankruptcy. From my understanding, physicians were one of the highest groups filing for bankruptcy before the hammer came down.b

Regardless, I see no reason why taxpayers should be on the hook for a choice another party made. I know, I know...liberals are not into personal responsibility but still! ;)

The reason colleges are so expensive is because the government has an unlimited budget. By forgiving all of these loans, you are not correcting the source of the issue.


Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 14, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
While I am glad he made it , it looks like Trump has some issues with his right leg:
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1272001952809758720?s=21)

I thought Biden is the old guy.

Trump saying that "I ran the last 10 feet" is pure ego (and dumb). I don't really find it that alarming that a 74 year old guy is taking his time going down something. He's right that the media would have torched him if he had fallen.

However, someone posted Obama running up the same platform. Really? Obama is 16 years younger than Trump and running up! It's way, way easier to run up something like that than going down.

If ai had to guess, he has some back problems  There was another video showing him having issues taken a water glass, where he seems to have trouble raising it.

You are correct, it easier to go up a ramp than down and much more likely to fall on the way down too, which would have elated the media even more. It’s kind of funny how he lets this get under his skin, instead of stating why he did what he did which wouldn’t make news at all.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 14, 2020, 04:15:15 PM
Admitting an overuse injury to your back due to playing too much golf while Rome burned wouldn't be a good look.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 14, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
Admitting an overuse injury to your back due to playing too much golf while Rome burned wouldn't be a good look.

Rome was burning before he arrived.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 14, 2020, 05:50:15 PM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 15, 2020, 05:08:17 AM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.

If you're going to go that route, the clock should start at the end of each degree (or from the date the loan was first issued). It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

I'm of the opinion that the government should step out of loans completely. That would force colleges to be more prudent with expenses and to have a more focused approach with students. There wouldn't be this insane amount of money up for grabs so it would force discipline (for all parties involved).

It's doubly wrong to let people discharge loans after others in their peer group did not have the same option (other paid them down by sacrificing other things or didn't attend due to cost). At the very least, if bankruptcy becomes an option, they should have to give up their degree (and have enrollment stricken from the record). You lose other things you purchased while you file, I don't see why this should be any different.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 15, 2020, 04:00:31 PM
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It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

Well, otherwise you just stay in school for 10 years and default on everything.

The goal here is to give everyone 5-10 years to get out of school and into the workforce, enough time to "see what happens". And after that timeframe, you've got a choice: if student loans are so burdensome, you make so little money, and bankruptcy is on the horizon - then you can get rid of them (as obviously they were useless to begin with). If you're successful, make enough money that BK is a bad option - then keep paying the loans.

This is the broad sense of the proposed solution. The details are IMHO trivial. Personally I think it's the best solution I've seen but I do see the "first-level" appeal of having college's maintain some credit & default risk.

My gripe with that solution is that colleges are not lending institutions - they do not have the know how to raise & manage capital in this manner. And it creates potential conflicts of interest if the educating & lending functions are under the same roof. I think if you want more prudent lending, the solution is to expose the lender to default risk, not simply change lenders.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 15, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
Lindsey Graham In New Ad: 'Joe Biden Is As Good A Man As God Ever Created'

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/republicans-against-trump-lindsey-graham-joe-biden-050109341.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 15, 2020, 09:01:46 PM
Right, but I’m saying if you delay eligibility until 5-10 years post-education, those physicians will be in their late 30s/40s when they will become eligible.

If you're going to go that route, the clock should start at the end of each degree (or from the date the loan was first issued). It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

I'm of the opinion that the government should step out of loans completely. That would force colleges to be more prudent with expenses and to have a more focused approach with students. There wouldn't be this insane amount of money up for grabs so it would force discipline (for all parties involved).

It's doubly wrong to let people discharge loans after others in their peer group did not have the same option (other paid them down by sacrificing other things or didn't attend due to cost). At the very least, if bankruptcy becomes an option, they should have to give up their degree (and have enrollment stricken from the record). You lose other things you purchased while you file, I don't see why this should be any different.

Yes, the government should get out of/OR radically reduce their backing of student loans.  Say lower it by 80% or so.

I don't see ANY problem with bankruptcy after 4-5 years IF it is treated as a "regular" bankruptcy AND you give up your license(s) & go on registry of defaulted diplomas.  That takes care of doctors and attorneys abusing bankruptcy.  Sure, they can go bankrupt, but then they can't practice law/medicine.

THEN, the skool has to pay price.  Give them a free pass for a couple/few percent of their graduates bankrupting...but if it goes over say 4% or so, then they have to give up 1/2 of what they got in tuition for that diploma.

I don't think you would see too many doctors/dentists/surgeons go bankrupt.  I think it would be low single digits if that.

As for attorneys, I bet close to half would choose to bankrupt.  That would then force maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of the law skools to shut down?  There are a bit over 200 law skools in America.  You could easily get rid of about 1/2 of those.

Then just think of how many small liberal arts skools could shut down!  Just think of how much better society would be!  One can imagine!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 05:12:18 AM
Quote
It's not quite fair for the philosophy major to file after 10 years from undergrad but not let the doctor do the same. 10 years for the doctor after undergrad is still training or close to it.

Well, otherwise you just stay in school for 10 years and default on everything.

The goal here is to give everyone 5-10 years to get out of school and into the workforce, enough time to "see what happens". And after that timeframe, you've got a choice: if student loans are so burdensome, you make so little money, and bankruptcy is on the horizon - then you can get rid of them (as obviously they were useless to begin with). If you're successful, make enough money that BK is a bad option - then keep paying the loans.

This is the broad sense of the proposed solution. The details are IMHO trivial. Personally I think it's the best solution I've seen but I do see the "first-level" appeal of having college's maintain some credit & default risk.

My gripe with that solution is that colleges are not lending institutions - they do not have the know how to raise & manage capital in this manner. And it creates potential conflicts of interest if the educating & lending functions are under the same roof. I think if you want more prudent lending, the solution is to expose the lender to default risk, not simply change lenders.

I'll have to disagree. Many graduates would just set up trusts or work and give assets to family members and then file. Game plan: get a lot of student loans. Work for 5 years. "give" all of your income to your parents. File bankruptcy and gets loans discharged. Parents give you back your earnings. Problem solved. The honest, hardworking ones would be the ones getting screwed. That's why the student has to pay a heavier price - like lose the degree or get barred from that industry.

Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 16, 2020, 06:43:06 AM
Make it 10 years if you want to be safe. "Giving" all your income to your parents is only tax-free up to the gift limit of 10k/year. Any revocable trusts can be unwound in BK. Transfers of assets to family members are completely legal and again, subject to potential taxable events.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 07:10:08 AM
Make it 10 years if you want to be safe. "Giving" all your income to your parents is only tax-free up to the gift limit of 10k/year. Any revocable trusts can be unwound in BK. Transfers of assets to family members are completely legal and again, subject to potential taxable events.

We can make it 5 as long as they relinquish their degree and agree to be barred from the industry they're currently working in. ;)

I didn't say revocable trust, lc. Irrevocable trusts provide way better protection.

It's actually $15,000 per year. So you could give your parents $30,000 per year without hitting your lifetime limits. If you have a sibling you trust, you could gift it to them too (or whoever). Technically, you can give more than that if you want to eat into your lifetime exclusion. You could also jam as much as you could in your workplace plan since those tend to be protected from bankruptcy too.

Alternatively, you could get married, have kids (more options to gift!), etc. Give your wife all of your assets at the 10 year mark after graduation (or just give them to her as the money comes in). Get "divorced" for a month, file bankruptcy and then get "remarried." Problem solved. No debt, all the assets. Win, win.

Even better. Try to take as many loans as you can, use the excess money to invest. Then do the aforementioned scenario. You get free college and a free head start on wealth accumulation.



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 16, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
An irrevocable trust still creates a taxable event to the beneficiary. No different from a delayed sale.

Funneling assets to your spouse in a divorce to avoid creditors is literally fraud.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:19:34 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:26:05 AM
An irrevocable trust still creates a taxable event to the beneficiary. No different from a delayed sale.

Funneling assets to your spouse in a divorce to avoid creditors is literally fraud.

Filing for bankruptcy and losing your wealth is far different the the beneficiary paying taxes. They'll (most likely) have to pay taxes regardless of how they get the assets.

Morality is subjective. So, as long as you don't get caught, it's all good.  ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:38:13 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

The reduction in public dollars at state institutions will absolutely drive tuition higher in real terms. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

I don't think the reduction of public funding would increase tuition in real returns (not long term anyway). Colleges would be forced to be more efficient and thus costs would drop. Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:48:30 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

It will also increase opportunity cost.  Public dollars directly funding public institutions kept tuition affordable.  If you withdraw loan assistance, will higher education once again be available only to the wealthy?  What does that do to our GDP down the road?

Or perhaps you increase direct public funding of universities?  Or just free tuition?  It feels like a shell game.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Colleges managed just fine before the government stepped in. There is a reason why tuition has increased far greater than inflation.

That is not a reason given in this Forbes article:

Why Colleges Continue To Increase Tuition When Many Should Lower It


Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years, net tuition, which is tuition less all scholarships and grants received by students, has actually declined in real dollars over this period of time at public two-year institutions and only increased 15% at private institutions. It has increased 67% at public four-year institutions which is slightly higher than the increase in the published price due in large part to the decrease in State support per student for these colleges and universities. In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lucielapovsky/2016/12/29/why-colleges-continue-to-increase-tuition-when-many-should-lower-it/#285de1567eb3

Really? You don't think the government giving people a ton of money has affected why tuition costs have increased dramatically over the rate of inflation?

The item you quote even says "Despite very significant real increases in tuition over the last twenty years". It's hasn't advanced more because of scholarships and grants! Government grants, perhaps?

My thinking is irrelevant.

I have given you an article to read that suggests the problem is multivariate, and I did so because you've reduced it down to one variable.

Oh, I agree that government isn't the only issue. Others include things like people following their "passions" and getting worthless degrees, not focusing on school, people going to college that shouldn't be going, etc. I just think that if you turn off the spigot, that'll take care of (or greatly) reduce the waste.

It will also increase opportunity cost.  Public dollars directly funding public institutions kept tuition affordable.  If you withdraw loan assistance, will higher education once again be available only to the wealthy?  What does that do to our GDP down the road?

Only the wealthy can afford it now. The economy would adjust over the long term. All of sudden, you wouldn't need a 4 year degree for the entry level position. There is a lot of waste in the college system. Their goal is to "make people well rounded" and that simply isn't needed.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?

Why not cut BofA's executive salaries down to $150,000 each in order to save money?  Football salaries got to where they are because there is competition for the top coaches, because when you have a top coach you bring in more revenue.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?  Public institutions raised prices when public funding was cut.  Can they lower them again without an increase in public investment?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:03:26 AM
Perhaps not paying football coaches $4 million a year would help?

Why not cut BofA's executive salaries down to $150,000 each in order to save money?  Football salaries got to where they are because there is competition for the top coaches, because when you have a top coach you bring in more revenue.

I would love some type of government law that limits executive conversation. The "salary consultants" these guys have is a huge fraud. Maybe something along the lines of not being able to pay more than 75-100x the median employee or something like that. So you're not really limiting compensation but you are tying it to the success of your employees.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:04:22 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:05:49 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:14:31 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.

I did. It said "In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving".

The amount of one's revenue has little relation to expenses. Perhaps they could lower expenses instead of raising tuition?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 16, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
Paul,
I think what you are saying is that too many people go to college, more than what society needs.

However, you can achieve that by increasing the public funding of public institutions while at the same time eliminating loan programs.

That way fewer will go to college because if you don't gain acceptance at the public school, you're basically SOL unless your daddy is rich.  Meanwhile, we aren't letting talent slip through the system because of economics.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 16, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Paul,
I think what you are saying is that too many people go to college, more than what society needs.

However, you can achieve that by increasing the public funding of public institutions while at the same time eliminating loan programs.

That way fewer will go to college because if you don't gain acceptance at the public school, you're basically SOL unless your daddy is rich.  Meanwhile, we aren't letting talent slip through the system because of economics.

I don't think I have an issue increasing public funding (assuming it's reasonable). However, it has to be disciplined and not just add government debt. It seems quite immoral to me for a place like LSU to have a "lazy river" which increases costs to students which get money from the government. Like I said, the unlimited funding from the government increases bloat, which increases costs.

Perhaps we could do something like "you have 4 years to complete your degree or you're done". This would force people to focus and not spend their first 2 years partying. We'd also say something like total colleges costs cannot go up more than the rate of inflation and some other parameters. This would stop colleges from having super fancy buildings and lazy rivers.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Read the Footnotes on June 17, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
If i had to guess, he has some back problems  There was another video showing him having issues taken a water glass, where he seems to have trouble raising it.

You are correct, it easier to go up a ramp than down and much more likely to fall on the way down too, which would have elated the media even more. It’s kind of funny how he lets this get under his skin, instead of stating why he did what he did which wouldn’t make news at all.
Turns out it was just his bone spurs acting up on the way down, but not up the ramp. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 17, 2020, 08:09:41 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-joe-biden-race-relations-track-record

""[In] 1977, Biden worried his children would grow up in a 'racial jungle if immigration is not done in an orderly way,'" Hannity said before noting that in 2006, Biden told a crowd, 'You have to have [a] slight Indian accent to work at 7-Eleven or Dunkin' Donuts.'

Fake much?

For what it's worth, Joe, Indians in American tend to be much, much harder working than typical Americans.

Here's an older article about it and the PR person tries to add their spin:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13757367/ns/politics/t/biden-explains-indian-american-remarks/#.XuraP0VKi70
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: DTEJD1997 on June 20, 2020, 08:53:04 AM
Only the wealthy can afford it now.

So other than increased public investment, how do you solve that?

Fewer people going to college. And maybe less fancy building.

Did you read the entire article?  Lower enrollments are one of the reasons why they raised tuition.

I did. It said "In addition, significant numbers of both public and private colleges and universities have been falling short of their enrollment goals during the last several years further reducing the total net tuition revenue that many schools are receiving".

The amount of one's revenue has little relation to expenses. Perhaps they could lower expenses instead of raising tuition?

The skools should RADICALLY lower their expenses.  Start by eliminating half or more of their administrators.  Then go to work on the professors.  No more $175k salary for teaching 1-2 courses and working 16 hour weeks.

Severely cut back on adjuncts and TA's.  It is a shame that skools have set up something like a feudal society for their labor structure.  Make the tenure track profs work more, and pay the adjuncts a "living wage".

Then go to work on the extravagant facilities.

When skool costs so much, you are forcing young people to gamble their future.  If something goes wrong, they are WRECKED.  Compare that to the boomers...if there was a problem with their education, they weren't saddled with a life wrecking amount of debt.

Spending on education is way, Way, WAY higher now with much worse results.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 20, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
After Weeks Of Anticipation, Trump Rally Crowd Underwhelms

The president was initially scheduled to address supporters outside the arena, which has a capacity of 19,000 people, earlier in the evening before heading inside. But Trump’s campaign canceled the outdoor remarks at the last minute.

At the time the cancellation was announced, only a few dozen people were reportedly gathered in the overflow area outside the venue. Inside, the upper stands were empty, and there was plenty of room in the standing-only area in front of the stage.

...
The president did spend about 10 minutes of his speech defending his awkward walk down a ramp after a speech at West Point last week.

“It was like an ice-skating rink,” Trump said of the ramp.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally_n_5eee95adc5b6aac5f3a45f37

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on June 21, 2020, 12:56:05 AM
After Weeks Of Anticipation, Trump Rally Crowd Underwhelms

The president was initially scheduled to address supporters outside the arena, which has a capacity of 19,000 people, earlier in the evening before heading inside. But Trump’s campaign canceled the outdoor remarks at the last minute.

At the time the cancellation was announced, only a few dozen people were reportedly gathered in the overflow area outside the venue. Inside, the upper stands were empty, and there was plenty of room in the standing-only area in front of the stage.

...
The president did spend about 10 minutes of his speech defending his awkward walk down a ramp after a speech at West Point last week.

“It was like an ice-skating rink,” Trump said of the ramp.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally_n_5eee95adc5b6aac5f3a45f37

And Joe Biden's rally turned out how many? Even if he held one, well, I'd use an slang term referring to a female body part to describe the base...Maybe they'll hold the Democrat Convention on Zoom!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 21, 2020, 05:52:26 AM
I'd use an slang term referring to a female body part to describe the base...

I believe you.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 21, 2020, 06:38:19 AM
It is pretty funny that he's still talking about the ramp.  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 21, 2020, 12:31:55 PM
I went to a white supremicist website today to see what their take on Trump's low rally turnout is:
Essentially, they think he's a total failure of a leader, comparing him to almost a perfect comparison to Nero.  He let the coronahoax take over and destroy the country, and for letting the BLM movement get completely away from him.

I don't want to link it.  It feels like linking to a white supremacist website is just unnecessary.  I'm sure you can find it on your own.
Did they say they're gonna vote for Jill Stein? 😆
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 21, 2020, 12:36:22 PM
I went to a white supremicist website today to see what their take on Trump's low rally turnout is:
Essentially, they think he's a total failure of a leader, comparing him to almost a perfect comparison to Nero.  He let the coronahoax take over and destroy the country, and for letting the BLM movement get completely away from him.

I don't want to link it.  It feels like linking to a white supremacist website is just unnecessary.  I'm sure you can find it on your own.
Did they say they're gonna vote for Jill Stein? 😆

I am relieved that calling it all a hoax backfired on him.  A significant part of his base believed him.  And now they view him as spineless for next letting Fauci lead the country into a shutdown and destroy the economy.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 21, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
This is pure gold

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on June 21, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
This is pure gold

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265

Where can I donate

...

...

for rubbers

for Trumpf?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 21, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
Never been a huge fan of  Merkel, but at least she can lift a glass like a pro:
(https://i.imgur.com/4immWCY.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 21, 2020, 05:59:44 PM
Doesn’t Trump not drink? Reason enough not to trust for the guy right there if you ask me.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 22, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

I think it's time for an age cap on President and Congress.

 ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on June 22, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
Never been a huge fan of  Merkel, but at least she can lift a glass like a pro:
(https://i.imgur.com/4immWCY.jpg)
Calling that thing a glass is like calling a great dane a puppy. But yes she is a pro at it.  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on June 22, 2020, 12:46:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBdBj5QWyY

I think it's time for an age cap on President and Congress.

 ;D

haha. I'm really looking forward to the debates.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on June 22, 2020, 03:49:46 PM
Michelle Grisham seems to be a good contender as. VP along Biden. Checks a lot of boxes (female, administrative experience, good COVID track record, minority) while still being a fresh face, unless Kamala Harris. Also, the Hispanics are  much less represented in politics than the blacks, despite being a arger demographic group (18% vs 13% for blacks). I guess we will see.
 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/biden-vp-search-michelle-lujan-grisham-has-coronavirus-health-care-experience.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/22/biden-vp-search-michelle-lujan-grisham-has-coronavirus-health-care-experience.html)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 25, 2020, 05:53:27 PM
Joe Biden: “I don’t want my children to grow up in a jungle - a racial jungle.”

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.

Let’s not forget the ol Clinton/Gore confederate flag campaign button that The Washington post even said was likely to exist.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 25, 2020, 07:49:24 PM
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Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.
Two things:
1- Biden has made (or attempted to) amends on that front. He has reached out and worked with the black community for decades now. Hell, he was Obama's VP and it looks like they had a pretty close relationship - hard to imagine Barry would be tight with a racist. Trump on the other hand does not seem to have made such amends.

2- Nobody views these things in a bubble, nor should they. We would be so lucky if that was the worst of Trump's mistakes.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 25, 2020, 08:00:03 PM

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.


I'm anti-Trump because he isn't Presidential material.  Not qualified for the job.  Incompetent.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on June 25, 2020, 08:08:39 PM

Still amazes me that individuals can be anti Trump because they feel he is a bigot and then say they’re voting for Biden.


I'm anti-Trump because he isn't Presidential material.  Not qualified for the job.  Incompetent.

I agree for the most part after this past year
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on June 26, 2020, 04:28:34 PM
 I was just watching a video of Trump trying to explain how the F-35 stealth fighter was "invisible". "It could be right beside you and you couldn't see it." he explained while an Air Force officer standing behind him tried to stifle a laugh. How can someone be that dumb?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on June 26, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: ERICOPOLY on June 26, 2020, 11:28:03 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: lnofeisone on June 27, 2020, 03:08:15 AM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D

mean and median of a normal distribution (which most IQ tests conform to) are equal so George Carlin is correct, yet again.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: meiroy on June 27, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
George Carlin used to say, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize that 50% of people are even dumber.

That isn't true though.  mean vs median  ;D

mean and median of a normal distribution (which most IQ tests conform to) are equal so George Carlin is correct, yet again.

I learned something new today... thanks.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on June 30, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
Some blacks aren't gonna buy off on Biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMhck1uAGL8

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on July 01, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
Can't wait for Joe to become president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irocQ9jMOhw
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on July 08, 2020, 10:49:47 AM
Thank God! We finally have an alternative candidate. I'm voting for Kanye!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on July 11, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
Yup might as well, no sense leaving the country only partly screwed up.  :)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 11, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
He actually picked someone who has destroyed even more lives than he has.  A Biden / Harris ticket is a kick to the face to everyone who has ever been abused by the justice system in the United States.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 11, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
I just cant believe the brains behind the Biden campaign(obvious not Joe, who is clearly dealing with dementia) thought that an overzealous prosecutor who slept her way into politics, who has not only insinuated that Joe himself has supported racism, but also openly advocated for incarcerating innocent people and boasted about smoking pot while having locked up tons of people for the same offense....was a good VP candidate. LOL cant make this stuff up. Trumps odds just increased tremendously. Cant see too many black folks jumping out of their chairs to go vote for this "special" ticket.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 11, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
He thinks blacks will vote for him anyway.  He just said recently that unlike latinos who have a diversity of thought, blacks all think alike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTao1hvMYjc
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 11, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
It really is funny how stupid the powers that be in the Democratic Party think their "target" voter audience is. Here's an old establishment white guy with dementia who we are only using as a front to get moderates....and for VP, lets pick a race baiting, culture appropriating prosecutor known for sleeping up the ladder..well, just cuz she checks some diversity boxes...that'll get the minorities.... Too funny.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on August 11, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
I am not a fan of Harris either. In CA, touted her tough law enforcement credentials with a high conviction rate. If conviction rate is an indication of quality for law law enforcement of the Nazis and Stalin must have been really great and just, since they got everyone convicted. Michelle Grisham from NM would have been a much better choice,  imo.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on August 11, 2020, 04:08:01 PM
I'm disappointed in Harris too. Val Demings from FL would have been strategically the best choice. She is from a densely populated area of FL, and has a background of being a cop. She may have helped win FL, who knows. The cop background would have made it more difficult for Trump to get away with lying about Biden wanting to defund the police, and help win support of police unions.

Research shows that VP picks don't really help but can hurt big time (Sarah Palin), but I can't help but think Demings would have fit just perfectly.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on August 11, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
Does VP pick actually matter in terms of how people actually vote in upcoming election? Everything i have read says VP pick usually has no impact on election outcome.

People seem to be suggesting ‘past record’, ‘past sexual behaviour’, ‘beliefs’, ‘intellect’, ‘race record’, ‘mental state’ etc are really important things to look at. If they don’t matter for the President why would they matter for a VP pick?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 11, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on August 11, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.

You think most people in the US actually do that kind of deep thinking when they vote? Maybe 1% (likely way high).
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 11, 2020, 07:10:57 PM
It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.
It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.

Biden would be the oldest president to ever take office and it's pretty clear he is suffering from dementia or something (alzheimer's, a stroke?). It would be a good bet that he doesn't make it a year before stepping down or being forced out.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 11, 2020, 08:18:45 PM
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Biden would be the oldest president to ever take office and it's pretty clear he is suffering from dementia or something (alzheimer's, a stroke?). It would be a good bet that he doesn't make it a year before stepping down or being forced out.

Four years ago you could have said, "Trump would be the oldest president to take office and he looks like his coronary arteries are held open with O-rings"
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: orthopa on August 12, 2020, 04:15:54 AM
It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.

You think most people in the US actually do that kind of deep thinking when they vote? Maybe 1% (likely way high).

I have to admit I think that the majority of Americans think that Canadians are a bunch of idiots too.  eh? The majority of Gords that I met were simpletons. It sounds like your experience is the same.  1% maybe right on both sides? Who would ever elect a liberal guy who once paraded around in black face?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 12, 2020, 05:41:40 AM
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Biden would be the oldest president to ever take office and it's pretty clear he is suffering from dementia or something (alzheimer's, a stroke?). It would be a good bet that he doesn't make it a year before stepping down or being forced out.

Four years ago you could have said, "Trump would be the oldest president to take office and he looks like his coronary arteries are held open with O-rings"

Yes, you can still say that.  Pence is awful too.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 12, 2020, 05:55:59 AM
One day! One, day I swear, we're gonna get an honest liberal who simply says..."I dont care that Biden is mentally impaired and that Kamala is a POS human being, I'd prefer their policies/them to Trump".....and then everything will be funny again, as the majority of the remaining party frauds continue to try to justify supporting them after going on "supposed" moral crusades for the past 4 years. You can already tell how much some of them love having the identity politic card back with Harris as the VP candidate. Criticize the candidate..."ooh which card should I use?...so many to choose from!"
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 12, 2020, 08:30:08 AM
I have to admit I think that the majority of Americans think that Canadians are a bunch of idiots too.  eh?

I don't think that is true. Most Americans don't think about Canada or Canadians at all.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 12, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
Well, this could certainly get fun. If we want to start generalizing large swaths of populations...as long as people are aware that the usual suspects may come in on their moral higher horse and start with the labels again...

But anyway, yea, you could run a plastic cup against a tin can, and both would instantly get 40% of the popular vote. The majority of people are stupid. And then out of the rest, Ive found that even the ones that do well lack some conventional skills. IE so many "book smart"/academic types, are basically retarded when it comes to how the real world works. And many with "street smarts" are lazy and/or prone to taking shortcuts. Very few people, anywhere, possess a well rounded base of understanding/intuitiveness.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on August 12, 2020, 09:22:54 AM
you could run a plastic cup against a tin can, and both would instantly get 40% of the popular vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqRirDphuc
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 12, 2020, 09:37:00 AM

It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.

You think most people in the US actually do that kind of deep thinking when they vote? Maybe 1% (likely way high).

I have to admit I think that the majority of Americans think that Canadians are a bunch of idiots too.  eh? The majority of Gords that I met were simpletons. It sounds like your experience is the same.  1% maybe right on both sides? Who would ever elect a liberal guy who once paraded around in black face?

And this coming from someone in a country that has killed off 165,000 of it’s own people while they can’t decide what to do about a pandemic while the rest of the world watches in amazement at what only can be described as a total clusterf**k. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 09:45:18 AM

It might in this case where some may believe that Biden may not serve a full term thus elevating the VP to president.

You think most people in the US actually do that kind of deep thinking when they vote? Maybe 1% (likely way high).

I have to admit I think that the majority of Americans think that Canadians are a bunch of idiots too.  eh? The majority of Gords that I met were simpletons. It sounds like your experience is the same.  1% maybe right on both sides? Who would ever elect a liberal guy who once paraded around in black face?

And this coming from someone in a country that has killed off 165,000 of it’s own people while they can’t decide what to do about a pandemic while the rest of the world watches in amazement at what only can be described as a total clusterf**k.

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 12, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
"President Trump accuses the Obama Administration of spying on his 2016 campaign: "It's probably treason."

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fthehill%2Fstatus%2F1292959257382604803&widget=Tweet

Now we're talking!  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 12, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
"Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time. "

You can have them both. :)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 10:08:06 AM
"Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time. "

You can have them both. :)

haha. I would prefer neither. ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 10:09:55 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 12, 2020, 10:18:25 AM
LOL it just keeps getting better. Not more than maybe 12 hours ago they were sniveling amongst themselves in the covid threat about "bu, bu, but its density! not politics" as the reason the blue states were so dazzling with their covid numbers/deaths....this mind you, despite the fact that months ago they were predicting the FL, TX, GA, AZ states would fair similar, if not significantly worse fates than NY/NJ...nice narrative change and back peddle...anyhoo Now, as if Tommy Lee Jones took his Men in Black red light and shined it in their faces, its back to "Trump killed 165k people"...you really cant make this shit up. But its quite amusing for sure.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 10:20:17 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!

Dang before people were calling him Hitler and now this??? ???

Is this subjective or objective...or ugh, both?  :o :o
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 10:26:28 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!

Dang before people were calling him Hitler and now this??? ???

Is this subjective or objective...or ugh, both?  :o :o

The Antichrist will be a political and military leader while the false prophet will become the world's spiritual leader whose job it is to bring the world to bow before Satan. Of course it won't be much of a chore, as "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all who will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." — 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

I'm worried for you, Paul - unlike your namesake, your soul may be in for a warmer destination!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 10:33:26 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!

Dang before people were calling him Hitler and now this??? ???

Is this subjective or objective...or ugh, both?  :o :o

The Antichrist will be a political and military leader while the false prophet will become the world's spiritual leader whose job it is to bring the world to bow before Satan. Of course it won't be much of a chore, as "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all who will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." — 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

I'm worried for you, Paul - unlike your namesake, your soul may be in for a warmer destination!

Well, it's debatable whether or not Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians. With that said, I don't see any miracles with Trump.

And besides, if your worldview is correct, nothing he does is really morally "wrong" anyway - that's just an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. So you should be more tolerant and accepting! ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on August 12, 2020, 10:35:45 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!

Dang before people were calling him Hitler and now this??? ???

Is this subjective or objective...or ugh, both?  :o :o

The Antichrist will be a political and military leader while the false prophet will become the world's spiritual leader whose job it is to bring the world to bow before Satan. Of course it won't be much of a chore, as "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all who will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." — 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

I'm worried for you, Paul - unlike your namesake, your soul may be in for a warmer destination!

Bbbbbuutttt tax cuts! Buuuttt Supreme Court! Bbut Chloe Decker!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Quote
Well, it's debatable whether or not Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians. With that said, I don't see any miracles with Trump.

Oh now I really fear for your soul! No wonder you support the beast himself!

And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. ...
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 11:01:51 AM

Trump has not killed anyone. And yes, Canadians are at least as dumb as Americans. I would take Trump over Trudeau every time.

That's because you support the antichrist:

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
https://www.readathriller.com/thriller/trump-is-antichrist-that-nostradamus-and-the-bible-predicted/

You better start repenting!!

Dang before people were calling him Hitler and now this??? ???

Is this subjective or objective...or ugh, both?  :o :o

The Antichrist will be a political and military leader while the false prophet will become the world's spiritual leader whose job it is to bring the world to bow before Satan. Of course it won't be much of a chore, as "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all who will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." — 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

I'm worried for you, Paul - unlike your namesake, your soul may be in for a warmer destination!

Bbbbbuutttt tax cuts! Buuuttt Supreme Court! Bbut Chloe Decker!

I'm against tax cuts. Not sure who Decker is?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Quote
Well, it's debatable whether or not Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians. With that said, I don't see any miracles with Trump.

Oh now I really fear for your soul! No wonder you support the beast himself!

And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. ...

Glad you're worried about my soul, lc. You're coming around!  :)

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 11:27:41 AM
Incredible how concerned you are with things of this world and not the next. Don't you even read your own book!?

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Incredible how concerned you are with things of this world and not the next. Don't you even read your own book!?

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I'm concerned with this world and the next. ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Jurgis on August 12, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
Incredible how concerned you are with things of this world and not the next. Don't you even read your own book!?

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

True prophet is the prophet of profit!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 01:29:50 PM

I'm concerned with this world and the next. ;)

So smooth! You know what they say about those folks:

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 12, 2020, 02:09:38 PM

I'm concerned with this world and the next. ;)

So smooth! You know what they say about those folks:

For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

Glad you've been reading Scripture, lc!

I'm hoping you'll realize that morality is either a) an opinion or b) truth. It certainly ain't B if atheism is accurate. ;)

If it's only an opinion, then one should not be so intolerant of others who share different opinions (for instance, the atheist Chinese government officials who mistreat religious minorities). They know just as much about moral "opinion" as you (or Trump!) do.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 03:38:06 PM
There you go again! You might want to look into some spiritual restraining order:

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 12, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
WOW. LC has some surprising depth to the knowledge base. Dont know of too many with that kind of scriptural depth. Either that or his anti religion stance can be traced to overly zealous religious parents/schooling growing up...
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on August 12, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
“All human conflict is ultimately theological.” - Henry Edward Manning

Paul believes in Jesus.

LC believes in magic mud that was struck by lightening.

Can we move past the butchering of scripture without any shred of context and get back to Sleepy Child Sniffing Joe?

All I hope is if Joe wins the election....is that there isn’t the Bush Cheney dynamic where the vote runs the show. I’m sure everyone on this forum can agree that 11T green new deal plan and a ban on fracking would be bad enough. That encompasses a fraction of Kamala’s utter shit policies.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 12, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
WOW. LC has some surprising depth to the knowledge base. Dont know of too many with that kind of scriptural depth. Either that or his anti religion stance can be traced to overly zealous religious parents/schooling growing up...

No, unfortunately nothing that exciting. Just typing “ridiculous bible verses” into google. For example:

 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 13, 2020, 03:50:12 AM
There you go again! You might want to look into some spiritual restraining order:

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’


Spiritual retraining order? Surely you don't believe in such things like a spirit without evidence, lc! Oh wait...you believe plenty of things like that!  ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 13, 2020, 05:58:17 AM
There you go again!

9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 13, 2020, 07:33:43 AM
There you go again!

9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

What's your point here?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 13, 2020, 07:58:34 AM
Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 13, 2020, 08:22:02 AM
There you go again!

9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

What's your point here?

Paul, it's very simple. Just listen and believe. Do not ask such questions:

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 13, 2020, 11:57:45 AM
Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 13, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
There you go again!

9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

What's your point here?

Paul, it's very simple. Just listen and believe. Do not ask such questions:

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.

Let's look at history. Virtually all scholars (secular or religious) say that it is historically certain that a) Jesus existed b) that he died by crucifixion.
 
Care to tell me why the apostles died for their beliefs if they knew whether Jesus actually rose from the dead or not? Why would Saul convert after killing early Christians?

Also care to tell me why you're so sure that you have morality "right" and the Chinese government and Trump has it "wrong"?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 13, 2020, 02:35:54 PM

Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/

Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo

Not sure why you are posting those clips.  Maria Bartimoto, FOX, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump making wild accusations is nothing new.  It is just more Trump propaganda.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 13, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
Look at history? Debate morality? Paul, slow down! You know what the good book says about those who try to learn:

Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 13, 2020, 02:53:51 PM
Look at history? Debate morality? Paul, slow down! You know what the good book says about those who try to learn:

Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”

When you don't like questions...dodge! Perhaps you are the next "great" politician, lc! ;)

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on August 13, 2020, 03:19:24 PM
Look at history? Debate morality? Paul, slow down! You know what the good book says about those who try to learn:

Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”

When you don't like questions...dodge! Perhaps you are the next "great" politician, lc! ;)
Better than a preist  ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 13, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
Questions? Just have faith! You know what happens if you don't...

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 13, 2020, 06:24:59 PM

Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/

Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo

Not sure why you are posting those clips.  Maria Bartimoto, FOX, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump making wild accusations is nothing new.  It is just more Trump propaganda.

Keep an open mind brother CW - there are documents/emails/paper trails - it's all coming out.

They'll never nail Obama or Biden - but they are sure going to be disgraced when all this comes out.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on August 13, 2020, 06:43:50 PM
Perhaps Cubs. I am sure there will be a lot of things come out over the next couple of years, but I suspect most of it will probably be detrimental to Trump. It will be interesting to see what comes of Trump's financial records.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 13, 2020, 08:42:19 PM
Yea keep running that line, Cubs. You’re fishing in an empty pool.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 13, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Yea keep running that line, Cubs. You’re fishing in an empty pool.


Hey,I keep having to listen to your bullshit, so what's the problem.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 14, 2020, 06:21:42 AM
Questions? Just have faith! You know what happens if you don't...

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Were you the captain in dodge ball in middle school? ;D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 14, 2020, 08:50:00 AM

Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/

Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo

Not sure why you are posting those clips.  Maria Bartimoto, FOX, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump making wild accusations is nothing new.  It is just more Trump propaganda.

Keep an open mind brother CW - there are documents/emails/paper trails - it's all coming out.

They'll never nail Obama or Biden - but they are sure going to be disgraced when all this comes out.

Yeah, Report should be out prior labor day, 60 days before elections (quite timing). 

BTW: This prediction is still as valid as ever, even it wasn't Stephen K Bannon who actually wrote it.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 14, 2020, 01:35:13 PM

Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/

Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo

Not sure why you are posting those clips.  Maria Bartimoto, FOX, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump making wild accusations is nothing new.  It is just more Trump propaganda.

Keep an open mind brother CW - there are documents/emails/paper trails - it's all coming out.

They'll never nail Obama or Biden - but they are sure going to be disgraced when all this comes out.

Yeah, Report should be out prior labor day, 60 days before elections (quite timing). 

BTW: This prediction is still as valid as ever, even it wasn't Stephen K Bannon who actually wrote it.  ;D

That's a nice little tweet from Steve Bannon to remember.

In the meantime..... indictment #1 arrives today:

Here is #1 ----   https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ex-fbi-lawyer-to-plead-guilty-in-durham-criminal-investigation-for-allegedly-falsifying-evidence

BREAKING: Ex-FBI Lawyer To Plead Guilty In Durham Criminal Investigation For Allegedly Falsifying Evidence

The New York Times reported that the lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, “who was assigned to the Russia investigation, plans to admit that he altered an email from the C.I.A. that investigators relied on to seek renewed court permission in 2017 for a secret wiretap on the former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, who had at times provided information to the spy agency.”

Clinesmith is expected to be charged in federal court on one felony count of making a false statement.




Yup, we falsified documents for Director Comey so we could obtain illegal wiretaps to spy on the Trump campaign.

Nice work President Obama and Team.

Who's next???

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Schwab711 on August 14, 2020, 07:27:13 PM

Obama & Biden crime syndicate mentioned.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-foxs-bartiromo-seethe-over-treason-the-coup-against-you-in-off-the-rails-interview/

Biden knew 'damn well' about spying on Trump campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuRAnrBnSo

Not sure why you are posting those clips.  Maria Bartimoto, FOX, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump making wild accusations is nothing new.  It is just more Trump propaganda.

Keep an open mind brother CW - there are documents/emails/paper trails - it's all coming out.

They'll never nail Obama or Biden - but they are sure going to be disgraced when all this comes out.

Yeah, Report should be out prior labor day, 60 days before elections (quite timing). 

BTW: This prediction is still as valid as ever, even it wasn't Stephen K Bannon who actually wrote it.  ;D

That's a nice little tweet from Steve Bannon to remember.

In the meantime..... indictment #1 arrives today:

Here is #1 ----   https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-ex-fbi-lawyer-to-plead-guilty-in-durham-criminal-investigation-for-allegedly-falsifying-evidence

BREAKING: Ex-FBI Lawyer To Plead Guilty In Durham Criminal Investigation For Allegedly Falsifying Evidence

The New York Times reported that the lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, “who was assigned to the Russia investigation, plans to admit that he altered an email from the C.I.A. that investigators relied on to seek renewed court permission in 2017 for a secret wiretap on the former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, who had at times provided information to the spy agency.”

Clinesmith is expected to be charged in federal court on one felony count of making a false statement.




Yup, we falsified documents for Director Comey so we could obtain illegal wiretaps to spy on the Trump campaign.

Nice work President Obama and Team.

Who's next???

https://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/russia-investigation/msg390357/#msg390357

That's it. This is the only crime that was found by the IG. Will additional charges be filled? Maybe, AG Barr is pretty crazy. But this was the crime found and it's good the lawyer was charged.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 15, 2020, 04:23:00 AM
Brother Schwab! Good to have you back.

Don't minimize this - as "that's it" - this is fraud upon a FISA court by an FBI agent no less.

Think about that - an FBI agent, the most trusted law enforcement agency in the world, assisted the Obama
administration in spying upon their political opponents. "That's it"? No big deal?

Your trusted institutions and integrity of the system has been rocked to the core. Now if you are a Democrat or the Media -
well, "that's it"....... because of course it blows your whole Russia Hoax for the last 4 years that you wanted the average
American to swallow.

Do all you can to "bury the headline" - to save the Media's reputation and President Obama's reputation....

No big deal here - look the other way - a total nothing burger - just blatant corruption and power grab by DC to overrule a Presidential Election.

"That's it"
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on August 15, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
Brother Schwab! Good to have you back.

Don't minimize this - as "that's it" - this is fraud upon a FISA court by an FBI agent no less.

Think about that - an FBI agent, the most trusted law enforcement agency in the world, assisted the Obama
administration in spying upon their political opponents. "That's it"? No big deal?

Your trusted institutions and integrity of the system has been rocked to the core. Now if you are a Democrat or the Media -
well, "that's it"....... because of course it blows your whole Russia Hoax for the last 4 years that you wanted the average
American to swallow.

Do all you can to "bury the headline" - to save the Media's reputation and President Obama's reputation....

No big deal here - look the other way - a total nothing burger - just blatant corruption and power grab by DC to overrule a Presidential Election.

"That's it"

Don’t forget the 4m wire fund transfer funneled through Cyprus to former Obama administration.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 15, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel. Feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 15, 2020, 11:13:08 AM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel and feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8

What a great clip!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 15, 2020, 11:24:47 AM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel and feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8

What a great clip!

So is this. From more than a decade ago...imagine how this has.....aged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCb5H2LKWmg
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 15, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel and feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8

What a great clip!

So is this. From more than a decade ago...imagine how this has.....aged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCb5H2LKWmg

Man that is priceless !

330M Americans to choose from - and that's who they pick?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on August 16, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel. Feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8

Trump administration's UN bid to extend Iran weapons embargo fails miserably, as long standing US allies (France, UK, Germany etc.) abstain from voting:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/16/no-longer-leader-free-world-trump-admin-humiliated-un-over-iran-arms-embargo

Russia and China flat out voted against.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on August 16, 2020, 12:51:27 PM
The great Divider in Chief as some ugh...kind words for Biden:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-privately-voiced-concerns-115052803.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 16, 2020, 04:33:40 PM
Trump admins orchestrated peace deal between UAE and Israel. Feeble-joe tried to take credit for it.

https://youtu.be/CjJXnihppC8

Trump administration's UN bid to extend Iran weapons embargo fails miserably, as long standing US allies (France, UK, Germany etc.) abstain from voting:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/16/no-longer-leader-free-world-trump-admin-humiliated-un-over-iran-arms-embargo

Russia and China flat out voted against.

Ah, that's ok - cause the economic and oil embargo is killing Iran anyway.... that's even better.

And now with the United Arab Emirates/Israel peace deal - Iran just becomes more and more isolated from the Arab world, thanks to the Trump work.
 
Not that the Persian care much - they think of most of their Arab nieghbors as dogs anyway.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on August 17, 2020, 09:47:26 AM
Another reason why Radical-Joe  will be beaten in coming elections.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1294425977251147777 Quite powerful stuff!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 17, 2020, 01:05:14 PM
Another reason why Radical-Joe  will be beaten in coming elections.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1294425977251147777 Quite powerful stuff!

Absolutely!   In the end, this will be an election about Law and Order.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on August 17, 2020, 01:16:21 PM
We haven't heard from Kamala in quite a while, but do you think she still wants "Justice for Jussie"? It indeed was a "modern day lynching" as she called it...IE one perpetuated by a radical liberal hoping to boost his 15 minutes of fame and blame it on Trump and his racists supporters! I hope she fights for justice to be served here...maybe 2-5 years in the slammer?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on August 17, 2020, 01:21:29 PM
We haven't heard from Kamala in quite a while, but do you think she still wants "Justice for Jussie"? It indeed was a "modern day lynching" as she called it...IE one perpetuated by a radical liberal hoping to boost his 15 minutes of fame and blame it on Trump and his racists supporters! I hope she fights for justice to be served here...maybe 2-5 years in the slammer?

Just in:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/special-prosecutor-jussie-smollett-investigation-kim-foxxs-mishandled-case

My neighbor, Dan Webb, does not mess around - and this is NOT going to help Kamala or Obama's reputation - Jussie is going down.

Special prosecutor in Jussie Smollett investigation finds Kim Foxx's office mishandled case

Webb’s findings announced Monday came after charges were restored against Smollett by the same special prosecutor in February. Webb said at the time that dropping the charges against Smollett was unjustified, including because the evidence against Smollett seemed overwhelming and because he was not required to admit that the attack was a hoax

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on August 19, 2020, 07:02:23 AM
How is Joe not DT lite? I thought Trump was the only pathological liar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJMF7mflGE

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 16, 2020, 08:44:53 AM
The dementia is really helping Joe be transparent in showing America the thought process/strategy of the left. Dude blasts "Despacito" at a rally meant to encourage Hispanics to vote socialist. Whats next, roundtable meetings with Hispanic leaders and complementary Taco Bell?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 16, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
The dementia is really helping Joe be transparent in showing America the thought process/strategy of the left. Dude blasts "Despacito" at a rally meant to encourage Hispanics to vote socialist. Whats next, roundtable meetings with Hispanic leaders and complementary Taco Bell?

Maybe he can reiterate to them the deep respect he has for their ability to have a diversity of thought, unlike blacks who all think alike. And of course if you don't think the way he thinks blacks do, then you ain't black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTao1hvMYjc
https://youtu.be/jhcgmwj3NAc

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 16, 2020, 02:58:13 PM
The dementia is really helping Joe be transparent in showing America the thought process/strategy of the left. Dude blasts "Despacito" at a rally meant to encourage Hispanics to vote socialist. Whats next, roundtable meetings with Hispanic leaders and complementary Taco Bell?

Maybe he can reiterate to them the deep respect he has for their ability to have a diversity of thought, unlike blacks who all think alike. And of course if you don't think the way he thinks blacks do, then you ain't black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTao1hvMYjc
https://youtu.be/jhcgmwj3NAc

Bingo!    Quite the paradox for Biden and the Democrats:

IF he stays in the basement until Election Day - he will lose.

IF he opens his mouth one more time, like your posted clips, he alienates more of the minority base - and he will lose.

What's a socialist in an empty suit supposed to do?!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 18, 2020, 05:12:43 PM
Joe better be the next President. Otherwise, please welcome Supreme Court Justice Ted Cruz. What an awesome middle finger to these loser liberals. At best....Biden wins and they fill the empty liberal seat with another liberal. Heads I win. Tails I dont lose anything...
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 18, 2020, 06:24:53 PM
Actually scratch that. Looks like theyre going to push it through regardless. Hypocritical. But awesome. Screw the libtards.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 18, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
It's going to be tricky for the Republican Senators in losing races, who have been distancing themselves from Trump, to support a replacement. Some of them have been on record saying they would wait. Let's see if McConnell gets his way.

But I think the outcome will be the same. If Biden wins then I bet they do it in the lame duck session
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 18, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
The ones like Collins, who have been vilified for doing the right thing, especially if they are on their way out, will vote. I think any elected conservative, should the candidate not be controversial, will see this for what it is. It is an absolutely monumental, historic and nation shaping event, reshaping of the courts for decades, as overwhelming conservative.

Its totally hypocritical and even disgusting under normal circumstances. But after the absolute disgraceful actions the lefties took with Kavanaugh, not to mention the fact that they've been horrifically wrong about both his character, and Gorush's...to hell with them. What they say doesnt matter anymore and they deserve to be obliterated.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 18, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
What’s ironic with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch is they have each ruled against Trump. Not exactly fitting the narrative painted by the left.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 18, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
The ones like Collins, who have been vilified for doing the right thing, especially if they are on their way out, will vote. I think any elected conservative, should the candidate not be controversial, will see this for what it is. It is an absolutely monumental, historic and nation shaping event, reshaping of the courts for decades, as overwhelming conservative.

Its totally hypocritical and even disgusting under normal circumstances. But after the absolute disgraceful actions the lefties took with Kavanaugh, not to mention the fact that they've been horrifically wrong about both his character, and Gorush's...to hell with them. What they say doesnt matter anymore and they deserve to be obliterated.

^ couldn't agree more.

All decorum has been lost between the two parties anyway. The LEFT deserves to have this one jammed down their throats.

Should it come happen, the Democrats can thank Harry Reid for losing them the courts for decades.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 18, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
RIP RBG - what an incredible woman. Fought cancer for decades and lived a full life. I can't imagine many others who contributed so impactfully to a progressive culture in the USA. We're a better country and society because of her. 
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 18, 2020, 09:32:55 PM
If a nomination happens under the current circumstances it will give any future democratic controlled President and Congress a green light to change the number of justices on the Supreme Court.

It would also be good for Trumps re-election to not nominate and get voters to turn out if they want him to fill the vacancy. Filling the post before the election might actually keep away voters who in 2016 turned up and voted to get a conservative replacement for Justice Scalia. If they already have what they want why turn up to vote.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 19, 2020, 06:11:39 AM
If a nomination happens under the current circumstances it will give any future democratic controlled President and Congress a green light to change the number of justices on the Supreme Court.

It would also be good for Trumps re-election to not nominate and get voters to turn out if they want him to fill the vacancy. Filling the post before the election might actually keep away voters who in 2016 turned up and voted to get a conservative replacement for Justice Scalia. If they already have what they want why turn up to vote.

The reasons that existed 24 hours ago still exist now. SCOTUS position is just another cog in the wheel.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 19, 2020, 06:22:39 AM
If a nomination happens under the current circumstances it will give any future democratic controlled President and Congress a green light to change the number of justices on the Supreme Court.

It would also be good for Trumps re-election to not nominate and get voters to turn out if they want him to fill the vacancy. Filling the post before the election might actually keep away voters who in 2016 turned up and voted to get a conservative replacement for Justice Scalia. If they already have what they want why turn up to vote.

I agree. His best move is to do nothing until after the election, then nominate someone in November win or lose.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 19, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
Joe Biden is saying that the people should decide the president and that president should decide the pick. That the Supreme Court "shouldn't be political"...this after RBG just planned to retire if Hillary had won, and when she didnt win, more or less stuck around despite clearly being unfit, hoping to wait til a Democrat was elected....torch them Donald! But yea, I agree with others. Get it set in motion, and then regardless of election outcome, push it through in November/December.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 19, 2020, 07:47:26 AM
^Kennedy told Trump to put Kavenaugh, his former clerk, on Trump's SCOTUS shortlist and when he did, Kennedy retired.

But sure, RBG was a partisan hack.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:59:26 AM
Yeah, Not to mention that Sandra Day O'Connor thing.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 19, 2020, 08:11:47 AM
^Kennedy told Trump to put Kavenaugh, his former clerk, on Trump's SCOTUS shortlist and when he did, Kennedy retired.

But sure, RBG was a partisan hack.

She sure was not a partisan hack - but politics have NO place in the Supreme Court - so RGB said her piece on her deathbed, which is her right,
and shows her distain for Donald Trump - good for her.

But it has NO place in the President's or Senate's decision to fill or not fill the vacancy.

Any wrath should be reserved for the real culprit, Harry Reid, who rolled the dice on blocking nominations/confirmations, by eliminating the filibuster.

This has ended up being a very costly gamble by the Democrats, Obama and Harry Reid. Too bad.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 19, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
RBG who had a few good rulings but spent the majority of her time in SCOTUS pushing her personal beliefs and opinions. She was not an ardent supporter of the Constitution. She may have been a good person, but sorry she wasn’t a great Justice. She was an authoritarian feminist.

Hopefully moving forward we get someone who is A-political and actually wants to adhere to the Constitution. 

Some of the choices below are not awful. The majority of them seem open to opposing ideas and against ruling with emotional bias (as RBG did).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/18/replacing-ruth-bader-ginsburg-list-starts-amy-coney-barrett/2669382002/
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 19, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
In retrospect, Clinton was naive to nominate a 60 year old to the court.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 19, 2020, 09:31:07 AM
They might push it in lame duck but it's really slim odds. First of all Mark Kelly who will likely win in AZ gets sworn in on Nov 30. Assuming it happens after Nov 30, it will be at best for GOP a 52-48 lead by GOP for the new Congress. In that case or if it is 51-49, they will push it through. If it is 50-50, then the second they push it through the Democrats will commit to expanding the Court by 4 justices, giving them a 7-6 majority in the new year. At that point it is better to keep a 5-4 rather than gamble a 6-3 at the high likelihood of getting a 7-6.

I don't see them doing it before the election, Murkowski and Collins are a hard no. And I think the best way to motivate deplorables to show up to the polls is by leaving the hanging fruit for after election.

So, a Trump win will make it 6-3, a Biden win makes it really not likely assuming GOP loses 3 seats, or if they lose just 1 seat and at least 2 R senators resist.

All of this is fun to think about just in terms of odds.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 19, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1307321159113936896?s=21

DT - “Without delay”
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 09:55:18 AM
Why didn't the democrats want to wait in 2016 for the next president? The only reason they "waited" is because the Republicans stopped them from pushing it through.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on September 19, 2020, 10:39:08 AM
Why didn't the democrats want to wait in 2016 for the next president? The only reason they "waited" is because the Republicans stopped them from pushing it through.

I'm not huge fan of Mitch, but we have to give him full credit for that.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 19, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
Why didn't the democrats want to wait in 2016 for the next president? The only reason they "waited" is because the Republicans stopped them from pushing it through.

I'm not huge fan of Mitch, but we have to give him full credit for that.

I can't stand him either, he doesn't care about the country, only the party. But yes he is brilliant. None of the idiots on the Democrat side in power are a match for his political genius. Obama was the worst at playing that game. Schumer sucks. Pelosi is okay I think. Someone like AOC would be one of the few who can match him, and I can't stand her either.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 19, 2020, 11:36:06 AM
^Kennedy told Trump to put Kavenaugh, his former clerk, on Trump's SCOTUS shortlist and when he did, Kennedy retired.

But sure, RBG was a partisan hack.

She sure was not a partisan hack - but politics have NO place in the Supreme Court - so RGB said her piece on her deathbed, which is her right,
and shows her distain for Donald Trump - good for her.

But it has NO place in the President's or Senate's decision to fill or not fill the vacancy.

Any wrath should be reserved for the real culprit, Harry Reid, who rolled the dice on blocking nominations/confirmations, by eliminating the filibuster.

This has ended up being a very costly gamble by the Democrats, Obama and Harry Reid. Too bad.

The constitution gives the President the power to nominate a replacement unless the former justice has a last wish.  😂
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on September 19, 2020, 11:53:49 AM
https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/1047509950778335232 (Video)Lindsey Graham 2018.


Today's Tweets.  ;D

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on September 19, 2020, 11:58:09 AM
RBG who had a few good rulings but spent the majority of her time in SCOTUS pushing her personal beliefs and opinions. She was not an ardent supporter of the Constitution. She may have been a good person, but sorry she wasn’t a great Justice. She was an authoritarian feminist.
Hopefully moving forward we get someone who is A-political and actually wants to adhere to the Constitution. 
This topic is actually quite interesting. Since these political discussions will soon be over on this Board, can i ask you for an opinion? Thanks in advance (don't expect a rebuttal).
I understand that she used to carry a pocket Constitution with her. Obviously this all boils down to interpretation and about the perspective on how the Constitution should evolve or not but what is your perspective on the equal citizenship stature concept? In other words, once a destination is defined, what's the best way to get there?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 19, 2020, 12:17:41 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 19, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

+1    One has to wonder how much stress the US political system can take before it spins out of control. For the past 8 years i had 90% of my investments in $US - back in 2013 i felt the US economy was best positioned of all global economies. Not so sure anymore. So now i am down to 60% $US and am thinking i need to shrink this further. The toxic political environment is impacting the economy. And regardless of who wins in Nov it will be impossible for the winner to govern. We may see the wheels actually start to come off the system. Frightening (at least looking in from the outside).
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 01:06:12 PM
Why didn't the democrats want to wait in 2016 for the next president? The only reason they "waited" is because the Republicans stopped them from pushing it through.

I'm not huge fan of Mitch, but we have to give him full credit for that.

Yes, I don't like him either but I'm glad that he's there right now.

The US has been getting weaker and weaker as it's gotten more liberal.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 01:11:26 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

+1    One has to wonder how much stress the US political system can take before it spins out of control. For the past 8 years i had 90% of my investments in $US - back in 2013 i felt the US economy was best positioned of all global economies. Not so sure anymore. So now i am down to 60% $US and am thinking i need to shrink this further. The toxic political environment is impacting the economy. And regardless of who wins in Nov it will be impossible for the winner to govern. We may see the wheels actually start to come off the system. Frightening (at least looking in from the outside).

Haven't you been in cash since like Feb?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 19, 2020, 01:58:32 PM
RBG who had a few good rulings but spent the majority of her time in SCOTUS pushing her personal beliefs and opinions. She was not an ardent supporter of the Constitution. She may have been a good person, but sorry she wasn’t a great Justice. She was an authoritarian feminist.
Hopefully moving forward we get someone who is A-political and actually wants to adhere to the Constitution. 
This topic is actually quite interesting. Since these political discussions will soon be over on this Board, can i ask you for an opinion? Thanks in advance (don't expect a rebuttal).
I understand that she used to carry a pocket Constitution with her. Obviously this all boils down to interpretation and about the perspective on how the Constitution should evolve or not but what is your perspective on the equal citizenship stature concept? In other words, once a destination is defined, what's the best way to get there?

Well, that is an extremely broad topic. Are you able to define or be more direct with what you want me to give an opinion on?

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 19, 2020, 02:04:12 PM
If I had to give an opinion on what should be done with the vacancy, I would say in general they should wait until after the election. An extremely one sided SCOTUS would not benefit the county. But I do worry about a near term issue surrounding elections. All we need in 2020 is a constitutional crisis to emerge and be stuck with a 4 to 4 tie and this the lower courts opinion to stand without president. Not the end of the world, but I can already see this causing huge political turmoil in the near term.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 19, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

+1    One has to wonder how much stress the US political system can take before it spins out of control. For the past 8 years i had 90% of my investments in $US - back in 2013 i felt the US economy was best positioned of all global economies. Not so sure anymore. So now i am down to 60% $US and am thinking i need to shrink this further. The toxic political environment is impacting the economy. And regardless of who wins in Nov it will be impossible for the winner to govern. We may see the wheels actually start to come off the system. Frightening (at least looking in from the outside).

Haven't you been in cash since like Feb?

I can hold my cash in a US$ or CAN$ account. No, i have not been 100% cash since Feb :-)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 19, 2020, 02:22:16 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

Just want to say that I thought that this post was very well thought out.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

+1    One has to wonder how much stress the US political system can take before it spins out of control. For the past 8 years i had 90% of my investments in $US - back in 2013 i felt the US economy was best positioned of all global economies. Not so sure anymore. So now i am down to 60% $US and am thinking i need to shrink this further. The toxic political environment is impacting the economy. And regardless of who wins in Nov it will be impossible for the winner to govern. We may see the wheels actually start to come off the system. Frightening (at least looking in from the outside).

Haven't you been in cash since like Feb?

I can hold my cash in a US$ or CAN$ account. No, i have not been 100% cash since Feb :-)

I didn't say 100%. I know you posted that you were heavy cash earlier (maybe in May?).
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...

Just want to say that I thought that this post was very well thought out.

Yeah, I agree. I really wanted the Republicans to fill it but Greg makes some great points.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 02:52:45 PM
After some more thought, my personal opinion is that I actually think the right thing to do is to let the guy elected in November make the pick. The typical process takes two months. Which puts us past the election. From our early adult/teenage years, at least in America, we are taught to move on from our existing jobs during the home stretch. In high school, seniors are not held to any standard or expected to do anything during the second half. Same in college. Two weeks notice at a corporate job is a "courtesy" and not much is expected once given. Once one announces retirement, they are celebrated and phased out. Government you literally never are expected to do anything and things only get done when there are individual interests on the line.

But when you get back to reality, the rules for the US are claimed to be in the constitution but in reality(and why I find investing during crises or period of huge uncertainty to be incredibly easy) the party in power works within the rules and then when they are not able to fix their problems they simply change the rules. So if you know what one wants, all you have to do is figure out how they get there. If its impossible, then they fix the rules to make it possible. Knowing this, the Democrats have every intention of demolishing the Supreme Court should they 1) get the death knell, IE 6 conservatives or more, and 2) ever get control of Congress again. So with this in mind, playing the "high road" and presenting your position as "compromising", serves a purpose in the form of shaping public opinion. If you push it through and then lose the election, you have sped up the worst case scenario as a Republican....the luny tune left takes over and starts changing all the rules and before you know it we have 17 justices and only 5 are conservative....As I said in my first post on this subject, it s a "head you win, tails you dont lose much"...worst case Republicans lose everything in November but if the seat is unfilled you give the children their toy and they fill it and honestly, Supreme Court wise, it looks the same as it did yesterday. Still, advantage Republicans and Dems have no excuse to go reshaping the court. But if you push it through and it backfires, and they win, they can show you were irrational, rushed a partisan judge through, and of course, using the evolution of politics as precedent, you fully excuse they next victors when they simply take your extremism to the next level...
Sure, this makes sense. But it's not gonna happen because they can't help themselves. You also know that it's not gonna be Garland. It's gonna be some awfully partisan judge. Hawley is already saying that he expect the the candidate to publicly denounce Roe. So the retaliation won't be hard to justify because they will make it so easy and it will happen. The Ds will win the House and if Biden wins the Presidency the Ds will likely win the Senate.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 19, 2020, 04:32:29 PM
The right thing is to make the election of the supreme judges bipartisan. In Germany this is done via needing 2/3 majority to confirm. This will eliminate any party hacks from even getting nominated, but I guess other ways exist too, to get a similar result. The current way of appointment resulting in a political circus is counterproductive.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LearningMachine on September 19, 2020, 06:27:30 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cigarbutt on September 19, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
RBG who had a few good rulings but spent the majority of her time in SCOTUS pushing her personal beliefs and opinions. She was not an ardent supporter of the Constitution. She may have been a good person, but sorry she wasn’t a great Justice. She was an authoritarian feminist.
Hopefully moving forward we get someone who is A-political and actually wants to adhere to the Constitution. 
This topic is actually quite interesting. Since these political discussions will soon be over on this Board, can i ask you for an opinion? Thanks in advance (don't expect a rebuttal).
I understand that she used to carry a pocket Constitution with her. Obviously this all boils down to interpretation and about the perspective on how the Constitution should evolve or not but what is your perspective on the equal citizenship stature concept? In other words, once a destination is defined, what's the best way to get there?
Well, that is an extremely broad topic. Are you able to define or be more direct with what you want me to give an opinion on?
OK.
i assume you root for a textual approach?
-Do you think it's the only approach that should be considered by wise men and women?
-Do you think the drafters would reproduce exactly the same document if done today?
-In what way did SCJ Ginsburg not support or disregard the Constitution?
Note: Our views cannot be reconciled here. i just want to learn.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 06:38:54 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.

Let me guess....Trump is Hitler?  ::)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
Here it is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-20/trump-wants-5-billion-from-tiktok-deal-for-new-history-project

Trump wants 5 billion from Tick Tock Deal to fund teaching the "real" history of the country. This is as fucked up as it gets. An attempted mob style shakedown. Apparently up to this point, all this time, people were learning the fake history of the country and that needs to be fixed. It will be the great historian Donald Trump who will be telling you the truth.

Of course, as past incidents of this kind, it is being wrapped up in a flag and branded with the patriotism and such related words. Disgusting!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 06:44:58 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.

Let me guess....Trump is Hitler?  ::)
Well I consider you a extremist and generally a troll. But let me ask this. At which point was Hitler, Hitler?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LearningMachine on September 19, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.

Let me guess....Trump is Hitler?  ::)

My apologies, not sure, if that was sarcasm or trying to extrapolate from what I was saying because that is not what I said.

Our democratic institutions have saved us from Trump being Hitler, at least so far.

All I am saying is anything that risks our democracy or undermines the legitimacy of our elections makes me nervous when we don't have a strong independent judiciary to prevent that.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 06:48:10 PM
Here it is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-20/trump-wants-5-billion-from-tiktok-deal-for-new-history-project

Trump wants 5 billion from Tick Tock Deal to fund teaching the "real" history of the country. This is as fucked up as it gets. An attempted mob style shakedown. Apparently up to this point, all this time, people were learning the fake history of the country and that needs to be fixed. It will be the great historian Donald Trump who will be telling you the truth.

Of course, as past incidents of this kind, it is being wrapped up in a flag and branded with the patriotism and such related words. Disgusting!

“We will stop the radical indoctrination of our students and restore patriotic education to our schools,” he said at the rally. “Patriotic education,” he repeated, describing it as teaching children “to love our country, honor our history and always respect our great American flag.”

Just look at how crazy college kids are these days. This sounds way better than the 1619 Project.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 06:50:15 PM
Here it is.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-20/trump-wants-5-billion-from-tiktok-deal-for-new-history-project

Trump wants 5 billion from Tick Tock Deal to fund teaching the "real" history of the country. This is as fucked up as it gets. An attempted mob style shakedown. Apparently up to this point, all this time, people were learning the fake history of the country and that needs to be fixed. It will be the great historian Donald Trump who will be telling you the truth.

Of course, as past incidents of this kind, it is being wrapped up in a flag and branded with the patriotism and such related words. Disgusting!

“We will stop the radical indoctrination of our students and restore patriotic education to our schools,” he said at the rally. “Patriotic education,” he repeated, describing it as teaching children “to love our country, honor our history and always respect our great American flag.”

Just look at how crazy college kids are these days. This sounds way better than the 1619 Project.
Yeah that was kind of the gist of the 1930s education too. So back to my previous question.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 06:52:56 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.

Let me guess....Trump is Hitler?  ::)
Well I consider you a extremist and generally a troll. But let me ask this. At which point was Hitler, Hitler?

If I had to guess, probably on April 20th, 1889?

Sarcasm aside, I don't think Trump is Hitler. I'm sure you'll think he'll become Hitler (and I did too at one time) but, yeah, not going to happen.

Sorry if I don't follow things like a mindless sheep. It just ain't my style. ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 06:54:17 PM
When I saw the news about Ruth Bader, my heart skipped a beat because I felt it put our democracy at risk.

Strong independent judiciary is what would have saved us when we have a president who says he doesn't know if he will honor the results of the election ahead of the election and says that he is a bad loser.  When the election results are in, he would likely be shouting at the top of his lungs that it is fraudulent if it is not in the president's favor.  One thing holding the cronies back would have been the fear of jail time for not following the rules of our democratic experiment.  Without independent judiciary and with pardon power, that fear will now be gone, and out with it our rules for preserving our democratic experiment.

I hope those who support such a president look back at history to see what happened in Germany when it lost its democracy, and I hope they realize that preserving democracy is of utmost importance for our remaining lives and future generations.

Let me guess....Trump is Hitler?  ::)

My apologies, not sure, if that was sarcasm or trying to extrapolate from what I was saying because that is not what I said.

Our democratic institutions have saved us from Trump being Hitler, at least so far.

All I am saying is anything that risks our democracy or undermines the legitimacy of our elections makes me nervous when we don't have a strong independent judiciary to prevent that.

I think genetics saved us from Trump being Hitler. In other words, even if you put Trump in Germany instead of Hitler, I don't think Nazism would've happened.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 06:59:10 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:00:04 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?

Hmmm...perhaps 1933 when he became chancellor or 1941 when the Holocaust began?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:06:16 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?

Hmmm...perhaps 1933 when he became chancellor or 1941 when the Holocaust began?
Why?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:08:02 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?

Hmmm...perhaps 1933 when he became chancellor or 1941 when the Holocaust began?
Why?

Dude, just tell me the point you're trying to make. It's getting late!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:10:51 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?

Hmmm...perhaps 1933 when he became chancellor or 1941 when the Holocaust began?
Why?

Dude, just tell me the point you're trying to make. It's getting late!
I'm asking some simple questions.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
2 posts later and you still haven't answered my question.

I would imagine it was a slow morph. I can't say the specific day. Can you?
maybe an approximation?

Hmmm...perhaps 1933 when he became chancellor or 1941 when the Holocaust began?
Why?

Dude, just tell me the point you're trying to make. It's getting late!
I'm asking some simple questions.

And I gave you an answer. Soooo...you're up next. ;)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:12:45 PM
No, you didn't! And it's later for me, trust me!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:13:54 PM
No, you didn't! And it's later for me, trust me!

I gave you a date. I answered the original question.  :P
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 19, 2020, 07:19:23 PM
Then I've asked you to provide justification for that choice. Which you seem to have a problem with. What's the rationale behind that choice?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:22:44 PM
Then I've asked you to provide justification for that choice. Which you seem to have a problem with. What's the rationale behind that choice?

I said it was probably a slow morph. You wanted approximate dates. I gave them.

1933 since that's when he came in to power.

1941 since that's when he started the Holocaust.

I don't have the date that he said "you know, it's a good idea to kill people." Do you?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: no_free_lunch on September 19, 2020, 07:24:13 PM
I agree with many of her decisions but her stance on affirmative action is clearly against equality.  If we are truly equal then we get in to a university based on our own relative performance.  If she had pushed for punishments when people are truly discriminated against I would be fine with it but that's not what happened here.  So now an Asian kid can lose a spot to a kid with a lower average based on race.  Great job guys, well thought out.  Its discrimination, you can't talk equal rights so long as that is happening.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 19, 2020, 07:30:23 PM
I agree with many of her decisions but her stance on affirmative action is clearly against equality.  If we are truly equal then we get in to a university based on our own relative performance.  If she had pushed for punishments when people are truly discriminated against I would be fine with it but that's not what happened here.  So now an Asian kid can lose a spot to a kid with a lower average based on race.  Great job guys, well thought out.  Its discrimination, you can't talk equal rights so long as that is happening.

If it were truly equal we would get into university via a lottery system.

And what about the kids that can't compete in those top tier schools?

Well, judging by the kids of celebrities who got in who didn't deserve to be in those schools, I doubt that would be a huge issue. If someone like Kushner can get through Harvard thanks to a brib...err "donation" from his dad, I think that's a fair assumption.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: no_free_lunch on September 19, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
 Equality in this case refers to equal treatment in the process in the admissions system.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 19, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
Should it come happen, the Democrats can thank Harry Reid for losing them the courts for decades.
Remember the context. Mitch the snitch was keeping seats permanently vacant, as is his MO. Zero respect for the spirit of the law.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 20, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
I agree with many of her decisions but her stance on affirmative action is clearly against equality.  If we are truly equal then we get in to a university based on our own relative performance.  If she had pushed for punishments when people are truly discriminated against I would be fine with it but that's not what happened here.  So now an Asian kid can lose a spot to a kid with a lower average based on race.  Great job guys, well thought out.  Its discrimination, you can't talk equal rights so long as that is happening.

If it were truly equal we would get into university via a lottery system.

And what about the kids that can't compete in those top tier schools?

Well, judging by the kids of celebrities who got in who didn't deserve to be in those schools, I doubt that would be a huge issue. If someone like Kushner can get through Harvard thanks to a brib...err "donation" from his dad, I think that's a fair assumption.

I think private schools should be able to operate as such. Kushners pop wants to donate millions so he gets in? Sure. The education system is so fucked up, and in large part its because it gets to behave like a private business while being subsidized and promoted via government programs/grants/funding/etc. Decouple them. Let it be private and let the free market take hold. Community colleges and state schools are reasonable alternatives for those that dont want to play the game.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 20, 2020, 08:22:26 AM
Deep thoughts by Joe Biden.

"Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin' a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?"
--Joe Biden

https://mobile.twitter.com/EllaMizrahi12/status/1305959027126480901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305959027126480901%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2020%2F09%2F15%2Fbiden_speaks_gibberish_if_you_were_a_quartermaster_you_can_run_the_second_floor_of_the_ladies_department.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1A2ykVAhzjlCoG2hG3dmi1Hx4s2VQITVOjFSRD8fmbJXXg14ue70cRF5w
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 20, 2020, 09:24:16 AM
Deep thoughts by Joe Biden.

"Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin' a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?"
--Joe Biden

https://mobile.twitter.com/EllaMizrahi12/status/1305959027126480901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305959027126480901%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.realclearpolitics.com%2Fvideo%2F2020%2F09%2F15%2Fbiden_speaks_gibberish_if_you_were_a_quartermaster_you_can_run_the_second_floor_of_the_ladies_department.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1A2ykVAhzjlCoG2hG3dmi1Hx4s2VQITVOjFSRD8fmbJXXg14ue70cRF5w

Damn - this guy is toast. In the political fight of their lives - and this is the Democrats alternative to the Tyrant Trump??

4 years to figure it out yet. Incredible.  Should make for terrific debates.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 20, 2020, 10:05:50 AM
Should it come happen, the Democrats can thank Harry Reid for losing them the courts for decades.
Remember the context. Mitch the snitch was keeping seats permanently vacant, as is his MO. Zero respect for the spirit of the law.

This move by Harry Reid and the Democrats has turned out to be a complete catastrophe for them in terms of the Judicial Branch.
Trump and the Senate have now approved over 300 constitutionally conservative judges to Federal Courts.
Now it appears they may lose the Supreme Court for decades.

Harry Reid deliberately changed the senate procedural process to jam the Obama agenda down the throats of the minority party.
Little did Harry know that in 2016, this move would be a disaster when the Democrats lost political power.
So much for disrupting the delicate checks and balances in the procedural aspects that protect the minority.

It was a huge gamble, that Obama and Reid felt would be in the favor - as they expected the following 8 years would consist of
a Hillary Clinton administration - and they would be able to steamroll their Progressive agenda.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 20, 2020, 11:07:23 AM
Should it come happen, the Democrats can thank Harry Reid for losing them the courts for decades.
Remember the context. Mitch the snitch was keeping seats permanently vacant, as is his MO. Zero respect for the spirit of the law.

This move by Harry Reid and the Democrats has turned out to be a complete catastrophe for them in terms of the Judicial Branch.
Trump and the Senate have now approved over 300 constitutionally conservative judges to Federal Courts.
Now it appears they may lose the Supreme Court for decades.

Harry Reid deliberately changed the senate procedural process to jam the Obama agenda down the throats of the minority party.
Little did Harry know that in 2016, this move would be a disaster when the Democrats lost political power.
So much for disrupting the delicate checks and balances in the procedural aspects that protect the minority.

It was a huge gamble, that Obama and Reid felt would be in the favor - as they expected the following 8 years would consist of
a Hillary Clinton administration - and they would be able to steamroll their Progressive agenda.

Sometimes you reap what you sow.

Oh Harry Reid! I loved him. He was a perfect embodiment of your typical democrat. Whiny and self righteous, couldn't do anything right, fucks up even basic stuff, and then blames others. Much like this glorious moment....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/06/harry-reid-loses-case-exercise-band-blinded-him

Cant even use an exercise band lol. Total friggin idiot.

The company attorney also raised questions about Reid’s truthfulness. He noted that Reid at first said the band broke, not that it slipped his grasp, and that it had been attached to a metal hook in the wall of the bathroom in his suburban Las Vegas home.

On the witness stand, Reid testified he looped a band through a shower door handle, not a hook, and that he spun around and fell face-first against hard-edged bathroom cabinets when it slipped from his grip on New Year’s Day 2015.

Company experts and witnesses testified that Reid misused the device, making him responsible for blindness in his right eye, broken facial bones, fractured ribs, a concussion and bruises.

“This is not a complicated case,” Quiat said. “Resistance bands are not complicated. This case is about taking responsibility for one’s own actions.”
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 20, 2020, 11:14:36 AM
^ Fits PERFECTLY with the Victimization mentality!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 20, 2020, 11:38:46 AM
Whats also ironic, is the storm the libertards will create to block the nomination, when 1) they dont know who it is, and 2) it will possibly be a Hispanic female....
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 20, 2020, 06:03:13 PM
A few more notable updates to this, although my personal belief remains the same as it was communicated yesterday...

Biden in 1992....wait
Biden in 2016... what I said in 1992 wasn't actually what I meant and I support the president(Obama) filling the seat
Biden in 2020...wait


RBG in 2016...“There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being the president in his last year,” Ginsburg told the New York Times in 2016 when she urged the Senate to do “their job” and consider President Obama’s court nominee Merrick Garland.

RBG in 2020...wait....

These people are all losers.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rkbabang on September 20, 2020, 07:58:41 PM
4D Chess.  Checkmate.

https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-trump-nominates-joe-biden-to-supreme-court
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 20, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
yes Greg, tell us more:

https://preview.redd.it/kxiakz8k0eo51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=16715a31691e842ae4b1ba5dfaab1c45e017d98f

A few more notable updates to this, although my personal belief remains the same as it was communicated yesterday...

Biden in 1992....wait
Biden in 2016... what I said in 1992 wasn't actually what I meant and I support the president(Obama) filling the seat
Biden in 2020...wait


RBG in 2016...“There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being the president in his last year,” Ginsburg told the New York Times in 2016 when she urged the Senate to do “their job” and consider President Obama’s court nominee Merrick Garland.

RBG in 2020...wait....

These people are all losers.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 21, 2020, 03:14:03 AM
Whats also ironic, is the storm the libertards will create to block the nomination, when 1) they dont know who it is, and 2) it will possibly be a Hispanic female....

The dumbest thing Obama ever did was nominate a boring American dad in 2016. Utter stupidity. He should've done exactly this or a black female.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 21, 2020, 03:25:49 AM
For anyone thinking Harry Reid is the culprit, he only removed the fillibuster thanks to the minority leader none other than scum McConnell blocking so many of Obama's picks. What else is Reid supposed to do? McConnell left like 200 seats vacant during Obama's last two years, and since '16 has removed blue slip rules and lowered the time for required debating nominees by like 80% to make appointments occur even faster.

McConnell's life mission is to shape the judiciary in the way he wants, he's been hyper focused on that since the 1980s. Technically he's playing by the rules that the Constitution gives him. Ruthlessly blocking every appointee you don't like, leaving hundreds of seats empty is terrible for the citizens, but it's a power he has. It's a flaw in the system. The Filibuster has good intentions, maybe it should've been written in to the Constitution to force these people to play nice.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 21, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
For anyone thinking Harry Reid is the culprit, he only removed the fillibuster thanks to the minority leader none other than scum McConnell blocking so many of Obama's picks. What else is Reid supposed to do? McConnell left like 200 seats vacant during Obama's last two years, and since '16 has removed blue slip rules and lowered the time for required debating nominees by like 80% to make appointments occur even faster.

McConnell's life mission is to shape the judiciary in the way he wants, he's been hyper focused on that since the 1980s. Technically he's playing by the rules that the Constitution gives him. Ruthlessly blocking every appointee you don't like, leaving hundreds of seats empty is terrible for the citizens, but it's a power he has. It's a flaw in the system. The Filibuster has good intentions, maybe it should've been written in to the Constitution to force these people to play nice.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Harry Reid made a dangerous political calculation and lost big time. A real unexpected disaster for the democrats.

There is no "flaw in the system", the filibuster prevents the tyranny of the masses against the minority party.
The filibuster insured a more less "partisan" outcome by insuring that at least SOME of the minority party would vote with the majority party.
60 votes instead of 51. Reid's move insured pure partisanship.

So now, you get what you asked for..

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 21, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
Reid's move was a result of McConnell's cult like following in his caucus. It excluded SCOTUS nominees. McConnell removed filibuster for SCOTUS, not Reid. He left hundreds of vacancies in '14-16 and played mental gymnastics for differentiating Scalia's seat vs Ginsburg's, making a mockery of the Judiciary.

To think that Reid made it a partisan shit show but not McConnell is ignorant.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 21, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
I don’t know but from what I’ve read didn’t the partisan attitude and undermining American democratic norms start in the 90s with Newt Gingrich?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 23, 2020, 04:30:12 AM
This should make for a fun debate. Maybe Joe goes back to his basement!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-hunter-biden-received-millions-from-wife-of-ex-moscow-mayor-paid-suspects-allegedly-tied-to-trafficking-had-contacts-with-chinese-military-senate-report-alleges

  Hunter Biden Received Millions From Wife Of Ex-Moscow Mayor, Paid Suspects Allegedly Tied To Trafficking, Had Contacts With Individuals Linked To Chinese Military, Senate Report Alleges
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 23, 2020, 07:29:25 AM
Don’t forget this gem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 23, 2020, 07:44:15 AM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 23, 2020, 07:50:30 AM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 23, 2020, 07:57:43 AM
Eh its just the usual textbook liberal deflection technique. When it happened they pretended it didnt. And after the fact its old news....Whereas, there's just soooo many Trump related things to talk about! Did you hear what so and so said to somebody who told somebody else?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 23, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
Case in point....Hunter Biden's newly revealed corruption? Nah bro, just a "hit job"...tomorrow, its "old news"...next week. Why are we still talking about this?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: rb on September 23, 2020, 08:52:12 AM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.
Well it was bullshit then. It's still bullshit now. And Hillary Clinton is not on the ballott.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 23, 2020, 08:57:52 AM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.

Like when they got Capone for tax evasion. I’m sure the man never committed a violent crime in his life!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 23, 2020, 10:59:27 AM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.

Like when they got Capone for tax evasion. I’m sure the man never committed a violent crime in his life!

Hence the "so far"

I'm not saying Trump hasn't done anything. But I'm saying the current evidence does not suggest collusion (imo)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on September 23, 2020, 11:00:48 AM
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1308824980004712451
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 23, 2020, 11:31:19 AM
Whats interesting is that these do nothing liberal bureaucrats had what? 70 years to look into Trump? And his tax dealings? The IRS, not surprisingly, had audited him, but the SDNY and all these other blowhards? No where to be found. Then he becomes president.....
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 23, 2020, 12:13:35 PM
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1308824980004712451

What a joke.

It's not a conflict of interest. Let's focus on this man...nothing to see here!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 23, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.

Like when they got Capone for tax evasion. I’m sure the man never committed a violent crime in his life!

Hence the "so far"

I'm not saying Trump hasn't done anything. But I'm saying the current evidence does not suggest collusion (imo)

Oh I totally disagree. It was a wink and a nod deal between Pootin and Stumpy.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 23, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
Oh, we're back to Hilary? Tell us more about her emails.

Just a reminder that while the Trump administration has been under assault for the past four years. The real Russian collusion so far is found elsewhere.

Like when they got Capone for tax evasion. I’m sure the man never committed a violent crime in his life!

Hence the "so far"

I'm not saying Trump hasn't done anything. But I'm saying the current evidence does not suggest collusion (imo)

Oh I totally disagree. It was a wink and a nod deal between Pootin and Stumpy.

What was the deal?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 23, 2020, 01:26:46 PM
LOL come on dudes....They KNOW! what happened between Trump and Russia...thats why they haven't even bothered to get up the motivation to present any real evidence. SOOOOO obvious. Self evident.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 23, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
Quote
What was the deal?
There's a chapter in Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities called The Favor Bank.

Putin has nothing to lose, but at least something to gain, even if it's just seeding chaos. And if Trump wins, maybe he goes a little easier on Putin down the line.

And Trump, psychologically he either explicitly or implicitly acknowledges that Putin helped him - or at least didn't hurt him. So it's like that old reciprocity story in Cialdini's Influence of bringing your interviewer a soda.

I mean, what do you expect? A contract stating, "Putin will intervene in US elections for Trump, in exchange Trump won't have the DOJ prosecute US banks moving Russian money overseas?". With both of their signatures, a droplet of their blood with their fingerprint, both of their families in the room, two random people off the street to provide eyewitness testimony, and a federal judge video taping the entire thing to verify their identities?

It reminds me of this old Chapelle skit: https://youtu.be/XXc3O6GMZt0?t=108
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 23, 2020, 02:11:48 PM
Quote
What was the deal?
There's a chapter in Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities called The Favor Bank.

Putin has nothing to lose, but at least something to gain, even if it's just seeding chaos. And if Trump wins, maybe he goes a little easier on Putin down the line.

And Trump, psychologically he either explicitly or implicitly acknowledges that Putin helped him - or at least didn't hurt him. So it's like that old reciprocity story in Cialdini's Influence of bringing your interviewer a soda.

I mean, what do you expect? A contract stating, "Putin will intervene in US elections for Trump, in exchange Trump won't have the DOJ prosecute US banks moving Russian money overseas?". With both of their signatures, a droplet of their blood with their fingerprint, both of their families in the room, two random people off the street to provide eyewitness testimony, and a federal judge video taping the entire thing to verify their identities?

It reminds me of this old Chapelle skit: https://youtu.be/XXc3O6GMZt0?t=108

Yes, I do expect a contract or some type of paper trail. Sorry but Trump psychologically agreeing” to something doesn’t exactly hold up in court or anywhere for that matter.

Hillary has a contract. She also had north of 30k emails and a private server which went missing.

A bunch of Canadians had a contract

Hunter Biden has a contract

Obama administration hasn’t a wire transfer

Obama was caught in a hot mic

Those are all tangible pieces of evidence. I’m more than happy to bad Trump for Russia if there actually is some hard evidence. The old “unnamed anonymous source from an anonymous source routine is getting old.” Trump must truly be a goddamn genius if he can work with Russia at the highest level and not leave a paper trail.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 23, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
Be grateful Hillary played ball with Congress and we could actually get that evidence.

Meanwhile you want to praise Trump for obstructing justice. I mean, we’re 5 years in and still can’t get the guy’s tax returns.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 24, 2020, 02:50:22 AM
Where are the congratulations for my foresight? Aug 1, 2019.

Anyhow, stock market seems to agree now and pricing in return of higher taxes, return of rioting in full swing due to higher unemployment, return of weak, apologetic America, return of wasteful save the planer spending, return of freebies, return of a government that wants to control all aspects of our lives, etc.

You will beg for Trump to return once you see radical socialists in the White House. Don't say you didn't get warned. An arrogant man will look like a pale comparison to this.

Unfortunately, people who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 24, 2020, 07:05:36 AM
Congratulations for your foresight.

However, Trump is going to win in a landslide.

This is becoming a "law and order" election. Without law and order, you have no civilization.

Americans can see the Great Oz, the man behind the curtain has been revealed. They are not fooled by the great and powerful socialist.
It has taken a while - but it's all coming to a head.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 24, 2020, 10:12:15 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517522-bloomberg-pays-fines-for-32000-felons-in-florida-so-they-can-vote

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Value^2 on September 24, 2020, 11:13:10 AM
Hunter Biden Corruption Report. Here Are The Facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F09dS9AkKM

-Hunter Biden received $3.5 million in wire transfers from Elena Baturina, the wife of former mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov (a known Putin associate)

-Hunter Biden reportedly paid “thousand of dollars” to individuals involved in human trafficking and prostitution, including non-resident alien women in the US who are citizens of Russia or Ukraine!

-Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/EisHAfXWoAYRyjn-600x375.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 24, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
Hunter Biden Corruption Report. Here Are The Facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F09dS9AkKM

Why is it that anything negative about Trump and the Republicans is always "Fake News" while anything derogatory about Biden and the Democrats is the gospel truth?

Interesting to see that wife of the owner of "The Hill" is an advisor to Trump's wife.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 24, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
Congratulations for your foresight.

However, Trump is going to win in a landslide.

This is becoming a "law and order" election.
Without law and order, you have no civilization.

Americans can see the Great Oz, the man behind the curtain has been revealed. They are not fooled by the great and powerful socialist.
It has taken a while - but it's all coming to a head.

I seriously doubt that. I’m not sure who will win but I feel it could be a very very close election. Different groups of people have different priorities. There are people who will vote a specific way based on law and order, anti abortion, religious freedom, taxes etc. There are also people that will vote based on coronavirus, perceived threat to democracy, racism, women’s rights etc. Most people have complex/hybrid views and don’t agree with a single party on everything. It’s who they agree with the most and what is their biggest immediate concern at the time they vote.

Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 24, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
Congratulations for your foresight.

However, Trump is going to win in a landslide.

This is becoming a "law and order" election.
Without law and order, you have no civilization.

Americans can see the Great Oz, the man behind the curtain has been revealed. They are not fooled by the great and powerful socialist.
It has taken a while - but it's all coming to a head.

I seriously doubt that. I’m not sure who will win but I feel it could be a very very close election. Different groups of people have different priorities. There are people who will vote a specific way based on law and order, anti abortion, religious freedom, taxes etc. There are also people that will vote based on coronavirus, perceived threat to democracy, racism, women’s rights etc. Most people have complex/hybrid views and don’t agree with a single party on everything. It’s who they agree with the most and what is their biggest immediate concern at the time they vote.

It's interesting to see that both sides of the aisle are worried about a "threat to democracy". Both from completely different perspectives.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 24, 2020, 12:26:46 PM
Hunter Biden Corruption Report. Here Are The Facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F09dS9AkKM

-Hunter Biden received $3.5 million in wire transfers from Elena Baturina, the wife of former mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov (a known Putin associate)

-Hunter Biden reportedly paid “thousand of dollars” to individuals involved in human trafficking and prostitution, including non-resident alien women in the US who are citizens of Russia or Ukraine!

-Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/EisHAfXWoAYRyjn-600x375.jpg)

Good Lord! if you think Jim Jordan is a reliable and independent purveyor of facts, I can easily see why you would support his boss who is the epitome of truth and reason.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 24, 2020, 01:49:33 PM
Congratulations for your foresight.

However, Trump is going to win in a landslide.

This is becoming a "law and order" election.
Without law and order, you have no civilization.

Americans can see the Great Oz, the man behind the curtain has been revealed. They are not fooled by the great and powerful socialist.
It has taken a while - but it's all coming to a head.

I seriously doubt that. I’m not sure who will win but I feel it could be a very very close election. Different groups of people have different priorities. There are people who will vote a specific way based on law and order, anti abortion, religious freedom, taxes etc. There are also people that will vote based on coronavirus, perceived threat to democracy, racism, women’s rights etc. Most people have complex/hybrid views and don’t agree with a single party on everything. It’s who they agree with the most and what is their biggest immediate concern at the time they vote.

I'll stand by my "Law and Order" election comments. Like I say, without it, you have no civilization.

You may think it's not the over riding issue - but the last 3 months have shown suburban and rural voters that a breakdown in
civilization "may be coming to your neighborhood". Americans are a people of law and order first.

I think very few Americans would have predicted that Democratically run cities would totally breakdown as they have.
Residents are fleeing Chicago in droves - and other Democratic cities - as the leaders will not protect the citizens.

Don't be surprised if Trump wins in a Landslide.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 24, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
Congratulations for your foresight.

However, Trump is going to win in a landslide.

This is becoming a "law and order" election.
Without law and order, you have no civilization.

Americans can see the Great Oz, the man behind the curtain has been revealed. They are not fooled by the great and powerful socialist.
It has taken a while - but it's all coming to a head.

I seriously doubt that. I’m not sure who will win but I feel it could be a very very close election. Different groups of people have different priorities. There are people who will vote a specific way based on law and order, anti abortion, religious freedom, taxes etc. There are also people that will vote based on coronavirus, perceived threat to democracy, racism, women’s rights etc. Most people have complex/hybrid views and don’t agree with a single party on everything. It’s who they agree with the most and what is their biggest immediate concern at the time they vote.

I'll stand by my "Law and Order" election comments. Like I say, without it, you have no civilization.

You may think it's not the over riding issue - but the last 3 months have shown suburban and rural voters that a breakdown in
civilization "may be coming to your neighborhood". Americans are a people of law and order first.

I think very few Americans would have predicted that Democratically run cities would totally breakdown as they have.
Residents are fleeing Chicago in droves - and other Democratic cities - as the leaders will not protect the citizens.

Don't be surprised if Trump wins in a Landslide.

Id be very surprised if either candidate wins in a landslide. The way I see it neither gets to 300 electoral college votes. Most Republicans will vote Republican no matter what. Most Democrats will vote Democrat no matter what. It might come down to 1 state like in 2000.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 25, 2020, 06:00:59 AM
Biden in 2016:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/opinion/joe-biden-the-senates-duty-to-advise-and-consent.html

"I know there is an argument that no nominee should be voted on in the last year of a presidency. But there is nothing in the Constitution — or our history — to support this view. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was confirmed in the last year of Ronald Reagan’s second term. I know. I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee at the time. And we promptly gave him a hearing, a vote in committee and a full vote on the floor."


Biden in 2020:

We should wait.

 ::)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 25, 2020, 06:27:25 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 06:43:01 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

It's not hypocritical to me at all. If McConnell allowed hearings on Garland's confirmation, we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes the seat shouldn't stay empty but McConnell set a new precedent in 2016. All those messages from this video are assuming McConell will go ahead with a confirmation hearing. He didn't, so now it doesn't really make sense to reverse.

The irony is that Mitch would have been better off having the confirmation hearing, and having his GOP cult all vote against Garland, then Trump comes in and fills the seat. And now the Democrats don't really have an excuse to go against having hearings. The GOP still has a majority and votes in Ginsburg's replacement, but with less political backlash.

As much of an asshole he is, Mitch McConnell is simply taking advantage of the rules that Constitution allows him to. It's a loophole that President gets to nominate but that nomination is not even considered unless the Senate agrees. What happens next time there is an opposite party opening NOT in an election year? There is no RULE that says you only deny the opposite party in an election year, there is nothing in the law preventing a Senate from denying the nomination for the entire Presidential term. The country is so polarized that both parties would have backing while in the Senate majority from their constituents to block any nomination for an entire term. That's pretty much what Mitch did in Obama's last two years for all Federal Courts.

But he's playing by the rules so can you blame him? It's a loophole that needs to be addressed. It fucks up the Judiciary.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 25, 2020, 07:05:51 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

It's not hypocritical to me at all. If McConnell allowed hearings on Garland's confirmation, we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes the seat shouldn't stay empty but McConnell set a new precedent in 2016. All those messages from this video are assuming McConell will go ahead with a confirmation hearing. He didn't, so now it doesn't really make sense to reverse.

The irony is that Mitch would have been better off having the confirmation hearing, and having his GOP cult all vote against Garland, then Trump comes in and fills the seat. And now the Democrats don't really have an excuse to go against having hearings. The GOP still has a majority and votes in Ginsburg's replacement, but with less political backlash.

As much of an asshole he is, Mitch McConnell is simply taking advantage of the rules that Constitution allows him to. It's a loophole that President gets to nominate but that nomination is not even considered unless the Senate agrees. What happens next time there is an opposite party opening NOT in an election year? There is no RULE that says you only deny the opposite party in an election year, there is nothing in the law preventing a Senate from denying the nomination for the entire Presidential term. The country is so polarized that both parties would have backing while in the Senate majority from their constituents to block any nomination for an entire term. That's pretty much what Mitch did in Obama's last two years for all Federal Courts.

But he's playing by the rules so can you blame him? It's a loophole that needs to be addressed. It fucks up the Judiciary.

There is most definitely some hypocrisy there. Not apples to apples but it's there. I agree about Cocaine Mitch. Both parties want to be "the one" that rights the ship. If the Constitutional process is for the senate to move forward with a vote then it should be done.

Speks idea of a 2/3rds vote is a good idea. Would solve a lot of this nonsense.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 25, 2020, 07:07:59 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

That is a terrific clip!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 25, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

It's not hypocritical to me at all. If McConnell allowed hearings on Garland's confirmation, we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes the seat shouldn't stay empty but McConnell set a new precedent in 2016. All those messages from this video are assuming McConell will go ahead with a confirmation hearing. He didn't, so now it doesn't really make sense to reverse.

The irony is that Mitch would have been better off having the confirmation hearing, and having his GOP cult all vote against Garland, then Trump comes in and fills the seat. And now the Democrats don't really have an excuse to go against having hearings. The GOP still has a majority and votes in Ginsburg's replacement, but with less political backlash.

As much of an asshole he is, Mitch McConnell is simply taking advantage of the rules that Constitution allows him to. It's a loophole that President gets to nominate but that nomination is not even considered unless the Senate agrees. What happens next time there is an opposite party opening NOT in an election year? There is no RULE that says you only deny the opposite party in an election year, there is nothing in the law preventing a Senate from denying the nomination for the entire Presidential term. The country is so polarized that both parties would have backing while in the Senate majority from their constituents to block any nomination for an entire term. That's pretty much what Mitch did in Obama's last two years for all Federal Courts.

But he's playing by the rules so can you blame him? It's a loophole that needs to be addressed. It fucks up the Judiciary.

Don't beat yourself up so much for Harry Reid's fuck up.
It really has become a disaster for the Democrats - but he played with fire, and now the shoe is on the other foot for his big gamble.

As Costanza says - the only thing that matters is what is in the US Constitution - and it's very clear. The President selects a candidate, and the
US Senate confirms or denies it.

Fuck up Harry effectively changed the confirmation process - and it backfired big-time.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 07:48:53 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

It's not hypocritical to me at all. If McConnell allowed hearings on Garland's confirmation, we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes the seat shouldn't stay empty but McConnell set a new precedent in 2016. All those messages from this video are assuming McConell will go ahead with a confirmation hearing. He didn't, so now it doesn't really make sense to reverse.

The irony is that Mitch would have been better off having the confirmation hearing, and having his GOP cult all vote against Garland, then Trump comes in and fills the seat. And now the Democrats don't really have an excuse to go against having hearings. The GOP still has a majority and votes in Ginsburg's replacement, but with less political backlash.

As much of an asshole he is, Mitch McConnell is simply taking advantage of the rules that Constitution allows him to. It's a loophole that President gets to nominate but that nomination is not even considered unless the Senate agrees. What happens next time there is an opposite party opening NOT in an election year? There is no RULE that says you only deny the opposite party in an election year, there is nothing in the law preventing a Senate from denying the nomination for the entire Presidential term. The country is so polarized that both parties would have backing while in the Senate majority from their constituents to block any nomination for an entire term. That's pretty much what Mitch did in Obama's last two years for all Federal Courts.

But he's playing by the rules so can you blame him? It's a loophole that needs to be addressed. It fucks up the Judiciary.

There is most definitely some hypocrisy there. Not apples to apples but it's there. I agree about Cocaine Mitch. Both parties want to be "the one" that rights the ship. If the Constitutional process is for the senate to move forward with a vote then it should be done.

Speks idea of a 2/3rds vote is a good idea. Would solve a lot of this nonsense.

Mitch blocked the Garland nom in 2016, all the Dems in the video protested that decision. He didn't listen and insisted on setting this new precedent. Fast forward to today the same situation arises except in reverse. You can't call the Dems in that video hypocrites. He chose to go against their protests and set a new precedent, so now that precedent should be followed.

I agree there should be a filibuster, 60 vote or 66, whatever. But the Senate should have less power. They should be Constitutionally forced to have hearings, not permanent delay like Mitch did in 2014-16.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 07:55:46 AM
There is hypocrisy in both side but this is damn funny.

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1307853087986589697?s=21

It's not hypocritical to me at all. If McConnell allowed hearings on Garland's confirmation, we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes the seat shouldn't stay empty but McConnell set a new precedent in 2016. All those messages from this video are assuming McConell will go ahead with a confirmation hearing. He didn't, so now it doesn't really make sense to reverse.

The irony is that Mitch would have been better off having the confirmation hearing, and having his GOP cult all vote against Garland, then Trump comes in and fills the seat. And now the Democrats don't really have an excuse to go against having hearings. The GOP still has a majority and votes in Ginsburg's replacement, but with less political backlash.

As much of an asshole he is, Mitch McConnell is simply taking advantage of the rules that Constitution allows him to. It's a loophole that President gets to nominate but that nomination is not even considered unless the Senate agrees. What happens next time there is an opposite party opening NOT in an election year? There is no RULE that says you only deny the opposite party in an election year, there is nothing in the law preventing a Senate from denying the nomination for the entire Presidential term. The country is so polarized that both parties would have backing while in the Senate majority from their constituents to block any nomination for an entire term. That's pretty much what Mitch did in Obama's last two years for all Federal Courts.

But he's playing by the rules so can you blame him? It's a loophole that needs to be addressed. It fucks up the Judiciary.

Don't beat yourself up so much for Harry Reid's fuck up.
It really has become a disaster for the Democrats - but he played with fire, and now the shoe is on the other foot for his big gamble.

As Costanza says - the only thing that matters is what is in the US Constitution - and it's very clear. The President selects a candidate, and the
US Senate confirms or denies it.

Fuck up Harry effectively changed the confirmation process - and it backfired big-time.

Except Mitch got rid of the filibuster for SCOTUS, not Harry Reid. Harry Reid, much like McConnell today, had the majority and was allowed to do what he wants. The GOP blocked so many of Obama's Judiciary and agency nominees that what Reid did was reasonable IMO. What Mitch did with getting rid of SCOTUS filibuster was also reasonable.

NOT allowing hearings for a nominee and then promptly reversing course when the sides switch is a whole new level of douchebaggery. Not allowing hearings for 2 years on hundreds of Judicial openings is straight asshole behavior. Getting rid of fillibuster is incomparable.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 08:06:00 AM
Trump and McConell brag about how they have record setting number of judicial appointments. Gee, I wonder why?

I think Ginsburg's death may be a net positive for Biden vs. Trump. GOP voters historically cared about SCOTUS far more than Democrats who have been complacent for a while. The Merrick Garland thing changed that to a degree. The ensuing blatant hypocrisy of the past week has added a tank of gasoline to that underlying anger. Just look at the unprecedented levels of Democratic Senate fundraising following her death. Trump's pet dog Lindsay Graham has been on Hannity twice this week begging for money. It really is quite amazing. If the Dems happen to win the Senate, it will be because of what's happened in the past week. For this reason I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Senators in vulnerable races reverse course and push to delay the confirmation in the lame duck.

But Trump wants someone in there right away to win if election lawsuits go to the SCOTUS. Lots of variables at play, it really is fascinating to watch.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 25, 2020, 08:25:17 AM
Trump and McConell brag about how they have record setting number of judicial appointments. Gee, I wonder why?

I think Ginsburg's death may be a net positive for Biden vs. Trump. GOP voters historically cared about SCOTUS far more than Democrats who have been complacent for a while. The Merrick Garland thing changed that to a degree. The ensuing blatant hypocrisy of the past week has added a tank of gasoline to that underlying anger. Just look at the unprecedented levels of Democratic Senate fundraising following her death. Trump's pet dog Lindsay Graham has been on Hannity twice this week begging for money. It really is quite amazing. If the Dems happen to win the Senate, it will be because of what's happened in the past week. For this reason I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Senators in vulnerable races reverse course and push to delay the confirmation in the lame duck.

But Trump wants someone in there right away to win if election lawsuits go to the SCOTUS. Lots of variables at play, it really is fascinating to watch.

I seriously doubt this is a bad move for Republicans. The direction of the Supreme Court will have an impact for decades, unlike our elected officials.
A new conservative court will provide a check on a progressive movement that is dangerous for our country. With 300+ conservative judges,
and now, perhaps, the Supreme Court assured (assuming successful confirmation) - the possible future of the court is to adhere to the constitution,
quite literally - and not be subject to the wishes of activists judges, like Ruth Ginsburg. This appointment has the possibility of largely checking
the impact of the progressive movement, to insure that the legislators and President adhere to the constitution.

As a reminder - Barrack Obama's blatant disregard for the US Constitution was evidenced in his record of Executive Orders. Almost 1/2 of his
Executive Orders were overturned by the courts. This is a piss poor record for the supposed "Constitutional Scholar and Lecturer".
Some of his Executive Orders were overturned 9-0 - which further demonstrates Obama knew EXACTLY what he was doing, but wished to
exercise Presidential power far in excess of what he was granted by the constitution.

Obama KNEW that it would take YEARS for the courts to catch up to him and overrule him. What he did not count on was losing the election
to Trump and have his executive order legacy torn into shreds. With 8 years of a Hillary Presidency - his Progressive movement was safe, until
reversed by the courts.

Much is at stake on this Supreme Court issue.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 08:32:49 AM
I think it is highly likely that if they successfully get a 6-3 majority, that a Democratic majority in the Senate and a Dem President will pack the Courts. The anger is that real and the hypocrisy is that severe. So, I don't think the impact of this will be felt for decades. Either they change their mind on confirmation, or they go ahead, get 6-3, and set up a time bomb for a massive court packing reversal at all levels in the future. Then it's just a matter of suppressing enough voters for the next few decades so that the popular vote loses every election.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 25, 2020, 08:56:51 AM
I agree they are almost certain to pack the courts, but I dont see how this ultimately doesnt backfire on them. There is no basis to pack the courts and every other time in history that this has been tried, its been frowned upon. They didnt get their way for two reasons, one being they were not voted into a position of power to get these things done, and two, they were regularly outsmarted. Its like a basketball team getting its ass kicked trying to lower the hoops, replace the referees, and tell the other team they are only allowed 4 players instead of 5. An ominous and pathetic admission that they cant compete on an even playing field.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
I agree they are almost certain to pack the courts, but I dont see how this ultimately doesnt backfire on them. There is no basis to pack the courts and every other time in history that this has been tried, its been frowned upon. They didnt get their way for two reasons, one being they were not voted into a position of power to get these things done, and two, they were regularly outsmarted. Its like a basketball team getting its ass kicked trying to lower the hoops, replace the referees, and tell the other team they are only allowed 4 players instead of 5. An ominous and pathetic admission that they cant compete on an even playing field.

They didn't get their way because the Constitution allows the Senate to do what they did. That supplemented with hyperpartisan politics and McConnell's singular determination his entire Senate career.

The resulting anger on the Democrat side means the same thing applies in terms of court packing - assuming that anger remains by the time they come to power, they'll be able to get away with it politically too. I keep saying the Dems need a McConnell on their side. Instead they've got all these naive grandparents. Should Diane Feinstein at 87 really be on the head of the Dem Judiciary committee? I think it's time to replace her with someone younger and more energetic.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 25, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. As I jokingly pointed out early, the American Politician's Way is to do whatever you want within the rules and when you cant...change the rules. But this pushes upon and infringes on something much greater than that. There are supposed to be checks and balances and separation of powers and waiving a hand and rewriting the highest, most sacred court in the land because you didnt get your way is atrocious. You're mad and there's outrage? Ok, deal with it. Not everyone is always going to be happy and theres always people, when it comes to politics who are going to be unhappy and outraged.

Even with respect to the Supreme Court...whats wrong with the justices? These people have been abhorrent in their lying and narrative framing...John Roberts is quite neutral and both Gorusch and Kavanaugh have been the exact opposites of what they Left "assured us" that they'd be. I mean there are definitely slants to the justices with respect to party affiliation, but that really isn't the norm or overriding factor. In fact, there was really only one justice who was 150% blatant with her partisanship, and I think we know who I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 25, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
Mitch McConnell blocked court appointments from Obama for most of his 8 years. He has effectively packed all the courts not just the Supreme Court. Americans are losing trust in the judiciary which the Republicans have now politicized. The Republicans can’t say anything when Democrats get their turn.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Castanza on September 25, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
Mitch McConnell blocked court appointments from Obama for most of his 8 years. He has effectively packed all the courts not just the Supreme Court. Americans are losing trust in the judiciary which the Republicans have now politicized. The Republicans can’t say anything when Democrats get their turn.

If modern politics had a slogan:

"Two wrongs make a right"

The only way out of this spiral is a third party candidate.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 25, 2020, 10:02:44 AM
Mitch McConnell blocked court appointments from Obama for most of his 8 years. He has effectively packed all the courts not just the Supreme Court. Americans are losing trust in the judiciary which the Republicans have now politicized. The Republicans can’t say anything when Democrats get their turn.

And certainly all Obama had to do was nominate candidate judges that the minority party found acceptable.
The Republicans blocked activist judges they found distasteful - and excercised their rights.

That is the way the system has worked for years.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 25, 2020, 10:27:11 AM
I agree they are almost certain to pack the courts, but I dont see how this ultimately doesnt backfire on them. There is no basis to pack the courts and every other time in history that this has been tried, its been frowned upon. They didnt get their way for two reasons, one being they were not voted into a position of power to get these things done, and two, they were regularly outsmarted. Its like a basketball team getting its ass kicked trying to lower the hoops, replace the referees, and tell the other team they are only allowed 4 players instead of 5. An ominous and pathetic admission that they cant compete on an even playing field.

What everyone has learned with Trump is you do whatever you can get away with. Pretty simple. Pack the courts if you can. Republicans are going to complain about what?

This whole affair reminds me of the Horse Story. Jamming though the supreme court justice in In the weeks before an election where you are already running behind in the polls just might not be the great and final victory some Republicans think it will be... maybe...

- https://www.woodlockhousefamilycapital.com/post/the-horse-story
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 25, 2020, 10:43:10 AM
In fact, there was really only one justice who was 150% blatant with her partisanship, and I think we know who I'm talking about.

Thomas and Alito are insanely partisan too, especially Thomas.

There are supposed to be checks and balances and separation of powers and waiving a hand and rewriting the highest, most sacred court in the land because you didnt get your way is atrocious.

Well, the Constitution allows the Senate to reject a nominee, which McConnell took advantage of when it suited him politically, creating a new precedent which he himself then proceeded to violate. The Constitution also allows court packing. There weren't always 9 Justices and the number 9 isn't written in. So if one side is going to exploit loopholes that takes away from the integrity of the Judiciary, expect the other side to do so too. Atrocity leads to more atrocity.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 25, 2020, 02:24:36 PM
Joe Biden inspiring confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=BZMQ_1sI3ZU&feature=emb_logo

I can't wait until the debate!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 25, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
Joe Biden inspiring confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=BZMQ_1sI3ZU&feature=emb_logo

I can't wait until the debate!

I do like the idea of having a non ivy league graduate as President.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: stahleyp on September 25, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
The liberal side is the most partisan:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/09/10/liberal-supreme-court-justices-vote-in-lockstep-not-the-conservative-justices-column/2028450001/

"In sum, if lockstep voting and a results-driven court concern us, it isn’t the conservatives we should be worried about. While senators, journalists and academics love decrying the Roberts Five, it’s the (Ruth Bader) Ginsburg Four that represent a bloc geared toward progressive policy outcomes."
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 25, 2020, 07:33:16 PM
Joe Biden inspiring confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=BZMQ_1sI3ZU&feature=emb_logo

I can't wait until the debate!

Yes, i think the debate might be Trump’s last hope to get his struggling campaign back on the rails. The problem for Trump is he has set the bar so low for ‘sleepy Joe’ that Biden might actually outperform expectations even with a poor overall performance.

And as we learn with Trump every day, lying and saying bat shit crazy stuff doesn’t affect voter support. The debate may end up being a big nothing burger for voters.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 26, 2020, 10:07:17 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/rbg-retirement-obama.html

Here's another example of why the Democrats are naive losers. Obama tried to nudge an 80 year old RBG to step down prior to the 2014 election because he feared the GOP would take the Senate, which they did. Instead of being a team player and doing something that would have helped secure the agenda, she was in denial of reality. And look where we ended up. This was in 2013, she couldn't have possibly made any assumptions on who the next President would be. So she decided to gamble in order to enjoy a few more years of the glory of being a SCOTUS Justice. I don't care much for her ultra feminism but for those who do, this was a catastrophic failure to be felt for decades, thanks to her massive ego. So ironic given her life's work.

Meanwhile Kennedy resigned while getting his selection of Kavanaugh on the bench. Props to him for being so strategic.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 26, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
Joe Biden inspiring confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=BZMQ_1sI3ZU&feature=emb_logo

I can't wait until the debate!

Yes, i think the debate might be Trump’s last hope to get his struggling campaign back on the rails. The problem for Trump is he has set the bar so low for ‘sleepy Joe’ that Biden might actually outperform expectations even with a poor overall performance.

And as we learn with Trump every day, lying and saying bat shit crazy stuff doesn’t affect voter support. The debate may end up being a big nothing burger for voters.

I know you are Canadian - so your perception may be very different.
 
Trump's campaign is far from struggling here in the US.  Many people here are pissed off beyond belief at what has happened in the country
since June 1. Most know they have been bagged and lied to by the media narrative (much like the Russia Hoax, Ukraine Hoax, Impeachment joke, etc).
They are seeing a clear pattern here.

Mostly, though, they are disgusted by BLM/AntiFA, and violence, looting, arson, etc.  Large Democratic cities are emptying out.
Here in Chicago, housing prices in the suburbs are increasing dramatically - not that Trump will win Illinois - cause he won't.

This is a sea change. Trump will win in a landslide - and the Democratic Party is to be thanked for condoning violence and lawlessness.

If his campaign needs revival - tell that to the thousands of voters that are showing up to his rallies EVERY DAY.
Meanwhile, Biden can't fill a room. It's actually hilarious and sad at the same time.

Trump's campaign is far from in trouble.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: adesigar on September 26, 2020, 01:24:46 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/rbg-retirement-obama.html

Here's another example of why the Democrats are naive losers. Obama tried to nudge an 80 year old RBG to step down prior to the 2014 election because he feared the GOP would take the Senate, which they did. Instead of being a team player and doing something that would have helped secure the agenda, she was in denial of reality. And look where we ended up. This was in 2013, she couldn't have possibly made any assumptions on who the next President would be. So she decided to gamble in order to enjoy a few more years of the glory of being a SCOTUS Justice. I don't care much for her ultra feminism but for those who do, this was a catastrophic failure to be felt for decades, thanks to her massive ego. So ironic given her life's work.

Meanwhile Kennedy resigned while getting his selection of Kavanaugh on the bench. Props to him for being so strategic.

It’s also not the first time. Didn’t this also happen in the 90s? Republicans and the Federalist Society have been playing this game for decades. Grab a seat and only let go when they control the replacement.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Mephistopheles on September 26, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/rbg-retirement-obama.html

Here's another example of why the Democrats are naive losers. Obama tried to nudge an 80 year old RBG to step down prior to the 2014 election because he feared the GOP would take the Senate, which they did. Instead of being a team player and doing something that would have helped secure the agenda, she was in denial of reality. And look where we ended up. This was in 2013, she couldn't have possibly made any assumptions on who the next President would be. So she decided to gamble in order to enjoy a few more years of the glory of being a SCOTUS Justice. I don't care much for her ultra feminism but for those who do, this was a catastrophic failure to be felt for decades, thanks to her massive ego. So ironic given her life's work.

Meanwhile Kennedy resigned while getting his selection of Kavanaugh on the bench. Props to him for being so strategic.

It’s also not the first time. Didn’t this also happen in the 90s? Republicans and the Federalist Society have been playing this game for decades. Grab a seat and only let go when they control the replacement.

Not familiar with 90s politics but ya, I am not surprised. Ultimately it is politics and you need to be strategic. There's no rule that says a Justice must remain until death.

I suspect McConnell's shameless jujitsu will leave a scar on Democrats for decades to come. It'll take that anger and laser like focus to finally get the base to care about the Judiciary.

You get the government you deserve.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 26, 2020, 03:01:29 PM
Joe Biden inspiring confidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=BZMQ_1sI3ZU&feature=emb_logo

I can't wait until the debate!

Yes, i think the debate might be Trump’s last hope to get his struggling campaign back on the rails. The problem for Trump is he has set the bar so low for ‘sleepy Joe’ that Biden might actually outperform expectations even with a poor overall performance.

And as we learn with Trump every day, lying and saying bat shit crazy stuff doesn’t affect voter support. The debate may end up being a big nothing burger for voters.

I know you are Canadian - so your perception may be very different.
 
Trump's campaign is far from struggling here in the US.  Many people here are pissed off beyond belief at what has happened in the country
since June 1. Most know they have been bagged and lied to by the media narrative (much like the Russia Hoax, Ukraine Hoax, Impeachment joke, etc).
They are seeing a clear pattern here.

Mostly, though, they are disgusted by BLM/AntiFA, and violence, looting, arson, etc.  Large Democratic cities are emptying out.
Here in Chicago, housing prices in the suburbs are increasing dramatically - not that Trump will win Illinois - cause he won't.

This is a sea change. Trump will win in a landslide - and the Democratic Party is to be thanked for condoning violence and lawlessness.

If his campaign needs revival - tell that to the thousands of voters that are showing up to his rallies EVERY DAY.
Meanwhile, Biden can't fill a room. It's actually hilarious and sad at the same time.

Trump's campaign is far from in trouble.

Based on where the election is trending today, it you think Trump is going to win in a landslide, you might want to broader out your information sources just a little.

Based on what we see today, Trump has two potential paths to victory:
1.) uneducated white male voter turnout is historically high
2.) he declares himself the winner election night regardless of what the election results are.
- With mail in votes historically high due to the pandemic it will likely take a week or even two in some states to count all the mail in votes. So Trump could have a slim majority in electoral college votes on election night that flips as the mail in ballots are counted a week or two later. Trump has lots of avenues to ensure mail in ballots are not counted. And mail in ballots are expected to trend overwhelmingly Democrat.
- Or he can simply have a couple of swing states with Republican governors and legislators that voted majority Biden and ignore how their state actually voted and send Trump supporters to the electoral college instead. It does not say in the Constitution this cannot happen. Lots of what happens in US elections are ‘precedence’ and ‘norms’ and Trump is about to shred any of these archaic things that get in his way.

So ‘game on’ says Trump and i have no doubt his mindless followers will think either of the above is a great idea. Trump is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to stay in power. This is so predictable.

What puzzles me is how educated Republicans cannot grasp what Trump has set in motion to ensure he wins. America is a democracy? No longer. Rule of law? No longer. The land of the free? What a joke. Patriotic? Not anymore.

Republicans are now slaves to Trump. Loyalty to Trump over country. Turn your brain off. Believe the lies. Blindly follow the leader even of he wants to take you, your family, your country over the cliff.

The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves at what Trump is doing to the country and system of government they thought they had built. Future generations will ask: ‘how could educated Republicans be so stupid, so selfish and so blind?’ and ‘how could educated Republicans let Trump destroy our Democracy and our country’.

But in the meantime please parrot some more of what your divine leader wants you to believe. Good foot soldiers after all don’t think. They do their masters bidding.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 26, 2020, 03:16:57 PM
Kamala Harris: BLM is "essential" and "brilliant"...

I'm curious what Indian Americans think here? How insulting is it that you finally get an Indian candidate at one of the highest levels of office, and the candidate and the party(plus their media allies) think so little of Indians that they rather falsely just call her black in an attempt to pander to what they view as a "more important" demographic....bizarre.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 26, 2020, 03:25:18 PM
Viking

^ Just about the dumbest post I have seen in a long, long time.

Must be a chronic case of TDS. But hey, there's an awful lot of that on CoBF!

The typical elitist view of "uneducated voters" and how could any educated Republican back such a leader?

Kind of like Biden - "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black"...

You elites always know better than the deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers..It's a nice look for you.

I look forward to watching his "struggling campaign".
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 26, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
Viking

^ Just about the dumbest post I have seen in a long, long time.

Must be a chronic case of TDS. But hey, there's an awful lot of that on CoBF!

The typical elitist view of "uneducated voters" and how could any educated Republican back such a leader?

Kind of like Biden - "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black"...

You elites always know better than the deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers..It's a nice look for you.

I look forward to watching his "struggling campaign".

I am simply trying to provide another perspective with some logic and rational. Your post above (in response to mine) was thoughtful, detailed, well laid out and countered many of the points that i made. I can tell you thought long and hard about what you wanted to say. Lots of deep thinking so i appreciate the effort. Well done!

But i do remain unconvinced.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 26, 2020, 03:50:00 PM
Viking

^ Just about the dumbest post I have seen in a long, long time.

Must be a chronic case of TDS. But hey, there's an awful lot of that on CoBF!

The typical elitist view of "uneducated voters" and how could any educated Republican back such a leader?

Kind of like Biden - "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black"...

You elites always know better than the deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers..It's a nice look for you.

I look forward to watching his "struggling campaign".

I am simply trying to provide another perspective with some logic and rational. Your post above (in response to mine) was thoughtful, detailed, well laid out and countered many of the points that i made. I can tell you thought long and hard about what you wanted to say. Lots of deep thinking so i appreciate the effort. Well done!

But i do remain unconvinced.

Put me down as dubious.

Civilization requires law and order - and common sense.  Some things are just obvious.

Common sense is in short supply around here.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 26, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
Its amazing the narratives that people believe, but to each their own. There's legit folks here thinking Trump will refuse to leave office and plans to stay on for 3,4,5 terms and then make Ivanka President without an election. People talking about brownshirts lol because there has been a suggestion to up security around polling stations....to which the predictable and thoughtless response is always "well there hasn't been much evidence of voter fraud in the past"....as if we dont walk through metal detectors at sporting events, concerts, etc, despite "not much evidence" of needing that either....

Oh yea, and the plethora of twats from liberal strongholds masquerading around as Republicans against Trump while supporting nothing a typical Republican actually stands for. Interesting times.   
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 26, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
Its amazing the narratives that people believe, but to each their own. There's legit folks here thinking Trump will refuse to leave office and plans to stay on for 3,4,5 terms and then make Ivanka President without an election. People talking about brownshirts lol because there has been a suggestion to up security around polling stations....to which the predictable and thoughtless response is always "well there hasn't been much evidence of voter fraud in the past"....as if we dont walk through metal detectors at sporting events, concerts, etc, despite "not much evidence" of needing that either....

Oh yea, and the plethora of twats from liberal strongholds masquerading around as Republicans against Trump while supporting nothing a typical Republican actually stands for. Interesting times.

Greg, many of the people like me do have narratives regarding Trump. I have tried the past couple of days to explain those concerns in some detail. Nobody on the Trump side appears to want to counter any ideas with facts. So what would my narrative change?

Basically what i have heard is yes, Trump is a piece of shit but the alternative is worse. Followed by a bunch of name calling and rants about Liberals. As i have said before i want to learn. Trump supporters convince me with your logic and your ideas. Stop talking about the enemy. Start talking about your guy and the issues people are bringing up. And don’t be afraid to actually write a few sentences on one topic (but please leave out the name calling and ranting as it does not help :-)

When i hear people on this board constantly parroting what comes out of Trump’s mouth (and we KNOW he lies much more than any other President in US history) it does not convince me to change my narrative. In fact is does the opposite.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 26, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
And what is always given as the response, is simple. Who do you vote for, if you want smaller government, immigration and citizenship enforced and taken seriously, deregulation, lower taxes, and conservative judges, etc? Its really, very simple. And then 30 minutes later you, and cwericb, and everyone else is back to "I cant understand how anyone can vote for Trump"...and its like, respectfully(in some cases) can you not read? lol How many times does the same question need to be answered before it sinks in?

The dictator, brownshirt, authoritarian narratives etc, are bogus, and as has been pointed out, the real dictator behavior is clear and present in the majority to the current democrat platforms. But again, on an even simpler level, it comes down to this...these people, with their constant crying wolf, over and over with respect to Trump, have no credibility left and should just be laughed at, regardless of what they have to say. Its been nonstop with the Russia Hoax, Ukraine, Impeachment, the Kavanaugh hearings, I mean they're shot. You dont get to keep being wrong and still be taken seriously. Especially when, you scream at the top of your lungs, and then are wrong....and instead of admitting I was wrong, just move on to the next delusional narrative and scream louder. Anyone who was part of the Kavanaugh scam, should be immediately disallowed from having anything to do with the Amy Barrett hearing, including senators like Harris and Booker.

EDIT: a good example that Ive mentioned before, is Tesla. At some point you just laugh at the Tesla shorts because despite their hyper aggressiveness, bias, and all their slanted facts opinions, its like "dude, you've been wrong for like a 3,000%, 7 year move.... just shut up"...
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 26, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
Thank you for taking the time to write your post. I learned something today and that is a good thing.

Like investing, two people can look at the same situation and come away with two different conclusions based on their analysis.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 26, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
Hey, it takes two to make a market as they say. Some markets are perceived to be more important than others. Sometimes its only perception though. I think that using history as precedent, the US will ultimately be fine, but the stark divide is indeed worrisome. It's a little crazy indeed, as you alluded to, that two people can look at the same issue and basically end up on polar opposite ends. Trump/Pence is the end of America for Democrats, and Biden/Harris is end of America for Republicans...I play the game everyone else does with politics, but if I had to do anything, I'd take the other side and wager both(extreme) and draconian outcomes are unlikely. Either set of candidates will likely have minimal impact on the capable and hard working individual and their ability to enjoy life in America......
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 26, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Hey, it takes two to make a market as they say. Some markets are perceived to be more important than others. Sometimes its only perception though. I think that using history as precedent, the US will ultimately be fine, but the stark divide is indeed worrisome. It's a little crazy indeed, as you alluded to, that two people can look at the same issue and basically end up on polar opposite ends. Trump/Pence is the end of America for Democrats, and Biden/Harris is end of America for Republicans...I play the game everyone else does with politics, but if I had to do anything, I'd take the other side and wager both(extreme) and draconian outcomes are unlikely. Either set of candidates will likely have minimal impact on the capable and hard working individual and their ability to enjoy life in America......

Hence the desireability of no party controlling all 3 branches at the same time. Gridlock.

I agree with most of what you said. I think where we differ is Trump specifically and the impact he will have on the US the next 4 years should he win. I think many core traditions and norms, which is critical to an effective and functioning democracy, will be exploited By Trump to the point the US system will further deteriorate. His personality will increasingly become the personality of US democracy.

I think every 50 or 100 years, just like investing, democracIes get tested and severely so. The Great Depression was a big time test for American democracy and it could have gone a couple of different directions. I think we are at another inflection point.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 26, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
This is all possible. Although to me, and also part of the reason I am fine with everyone waiting until after the election for the SC pick, is that the biggest risk to democracy IMO is if things get too one sided. Flagrantly stacking the SC in a manner that can even "appear" unfair, can backfire. You need to have a diversity of viewpoints to make things work. Look at cases where cities and states become echo chambers...not good. No better example than NYC. Total shit hole, rampant crime, horrendous tax policy, total chaos and nothing to challenge or change this. Everything currently good about NYC is currently there in spite of it. You need balance to appropriately address the various issues of important to society. After Obama, a massive portion of America had been thoroughly neglected and Trump was necessary to change that.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 26, 2020, 07:59:43 PM
Who cares about Viking and Cwericb?

Two Canadians who apparently love investing but, who will support anything opposed to capitalism and freedom.

They hate Trump because he is rude (and lies like every politician, less than others in my view but, anyway) and will do all they can to support the other side which is opposite of their ideals.

What is the name of that disease? TDS? I think it is more troubling than that.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 27, 2020, 07:41:23 AM
Who cares about Viking and Cwericb?

Two Canadians who apparently love investing but, who will support anything opposed to capitalism and freedom.

They hate Trump because he is rude (and lies like every politician, less than others in my view but, anyway) and will do all they can to support the other side which is opposite of their ideals.

What is the name of that disease? TDS? I think it is more troubling than that.

Cardboard

Yes, it's far more troubling than that.

Some people can be excused since they do not live in the center of this mess. Hopefully, it's ignorance more than anything else.
It's easy to be an idealist when you can see it from afar but are unaffected by the consequences. Hence, you get a Mark Zuckerburg,
who screams about "open borders", but buys all the houses around his residence and erects a massive wall. You get a Minneapolis
City Council, who votes to defund the police, but still has the taxpayers paying for their private security personnel. You get a Mayor Lightfoot,
who refuses to protect her Chicago citizens from violence and arson, but has her street walled off by same police, so she and her neighbors
are safe. You get an Obama, who will not support educational vouchers/backs the public teachers unions, but sends his children to private schools.
You get a Democratic leadership, who brings out the knives for Amy Barrett, attack her for being devout Catholic, meanwhile Joe Biden and
Nancy Pelosi are proud Catholics, and perfectly capable of serving in the highest positions in our government.

These people are hypocrites of the highest order - and have NO intention letting of their civic actions impact their families.

It's an insidious form of "virtue signaling" - and it's up to the voters to recognize it. IF you live in Canada, perhaps it's not so apparent.

Someone like Cardboard is not easily fooled by the Man Behind the Curtain.

The thing about Trump and the Trump voter is they KNOW we are about to LOSE our country - and are not going to stand for it.
That said, Trump IS a BLUNT instrument - not perfect, but highly effective and the only thing that stands in our way between the radical LEFT.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 27, 2020, 06:16:42 PM
Who cares about Viking and Cwericb?

Two Canadians who apparently love investing but, who will support anything opposed to capitalism and freedom.

They hate Trump because he is rude (and lies like every politician, less than others in my view but, anyway) and will do all they can to support the other side which is opposite of their ideals.

What is the name of that disease? TDS? I think it is more troubling than that.

Cardboard

Well since I seem to have been dragged into this conversation...

Trump is a pathological liar and a fraud. Anyone who thinks he lies less than other politicians hasn’t been paying close attention or would seem to be a little on the gullible side. And if you check the facts, I believe the number of major lies he has told since taking office now number in the thousands. He can’t help himself, he just makes up stuff all the time. It is part of his personality make up. Anyone who doesn’t understand this should do a little research.

However, his defenders want to believe only what Trump says because everything else is, of course, “Fake News” - because Trump tells them so. If you can’t believe a man’s word, than he is not much of a man.

He has also convinced his followers of his great investment prowess. Yet it is public knowledge he has gone bankrupt numerous times and refuses to release any of his tax records that might actually support his claims of his business prowess. He constantly promised to release his records during his campaign, and then he just laughed at the suckers who believed that he would ever release them.

Just another lie. But if they were favorable, don’t you think he would have released them?

There will come a time when the truth comes out about Trump’s past Russian dealings that will shock some of his supporters. But, of course, most will simply follow the Trump line that anything negative about him or that doesn’t appear on FOX must be ‘Fake News’. Because... remember he could go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone and not lose a single (sucker) or voter.

Then there are Trump’s mental problems. He is among other things, a narcissistic sociopath and a pathological liar. To be clear, that is not Trump’s fault, because that is just the way he is. But is that really the quality of leader you want leading your country?

And yes, Canadians are very concerned about this election because much of what happens in the US has a direct effect on us. Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US/Canadian border and your population is nearly 10 times Canada’s.

Anyone want to explain why Trump has gone out of his way to piss off nearly every single one of the US’s allies while sucking up to Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un, who played Trump like a fiddle?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cubsfan on September 27, 2020, 06:56:16 PM

Anyone want to explain why Trump has gone out of his way to piss off nearly every single one of the US’s allies while sucking up to Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un, who played Trump like a fiddle?

I will let any others respond to your rant, as it's ok, I know you won't change your mind.  But this is a little tough -- "played them like a fiddle"

- Putin is in a box now. Unlike taking Crimea, and attacking US forces in Syria - Putin has to be very careful, since Trump smashed him in Syria.
  He's got Crimea now, thanks to Obama not arming the Ukrainians, but now Trump gave the Ukrainians missiles, anti-tank missiles, and armored
  vehicles.   This is good for Putin???
   
- China? Really?  Much to Washington's dismay, the ONLY politician to forcefully go after China on BOTH sides (Dems & Republicans) is Trump!
  4 years ago this was heresy in DC - the Swamp and Lobbyists were making far too much money on China. Trump has been TOTALLY right on China.
  The Chinese can not wait to get Trump out of office.

- Korea?  How much saber rattling/blackmail are you hearing out of the little dictator. His economy has been ruined by the Trump sanctions. Destroyed.
  But somehow this is a benefit to N. Korea - How does that work?

Much of Trump's brilliance on foreign policy is NOT MILITARY.  It's economic isolation and strangulation. Ask the Mullahs how that is working out.
Russia is fucked. North Korea - toast.  China - now a worldwide pariah after the China Virus - and Trump putting the spotlight on them for 4 years.



Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Viking on September 27, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
Like the man, Trump’s foreign policy has been a complete hot mess. (I wonder what the senior US military establishment thinks of Trump‘s decisions.) Foreign policy is a game of chess. We all know, Trump only plays checkers.

I agree China is an emerging threat that needs to be dealt with. Way underestimated. However, Trumps tactics in trying to deal with China are a complete hot mess. For example, the TikTok fiasco looks like some sort of mafia shakedown. I get the need to get all data control out of China. China plays the long game and Trump simply is overmatched. But i do give him full credit for calling China out and stirring up alot of dust.

Russia is one massive head scratcher for me. Russia’s issues today are not Trump but $35 oil. Clearly Trump likes (dare i say loves?) that country and its senior leadership. A lot. Wow! Double wow!

I see Trump made millions from the Miss USA pageant when it was held in Moscow in 2013 - bankrolled by a Russian oligarch. I would love Russians too if they dropped a couple million dollars in my pocket when i ran a business event in their country. I am not suggesting anything wrong was done by Trump; or ‘collusion‘ so you can settle down :-) when trying to understand peoples motives a great strategy is to follow the money. This is an investment board after all. I think i am starting to finally understand why Trump likes that country so much.)

The way Trump has treated allies (Canada and Western Europe) is also a big head scratcher. These are the same countries that bled along with Americans in the trenches of World War 1, World War 2, Iraq, Afganistan etc. Or the Canadian embassy in Iran helping out a few American during the hostage crisis. Not perfect. But important. Just like with family, there are always difficult conversations that need to be had (like paying your fair share for NATO). But Trump’s approach has been absurd and destructive. (Hint, hint, this group of countries might be able to help the US with China in future years when China is much bigger and the US needs help. But that is a chess move not checkers.)

North Korea looks to be moving forward with developing nuclear weapons. Did sanctions hurt the country? Looks like they did. Did sanctions change the trajectory of their nuclear program? Not likely. South Korea? Likely has no idea what the US is doing. (As an aside, the in person meetings between North Korea and Trump actually looked like a sketch out of a Monty Python show.)

Middle east - if anyone can explain to me what is going on in that region then please help me. Syria? Walked away from allies who were then massacred by the Turks. But US troup count is down. Afganistan? No President can put lipstick on that pig. Iraq? No idea. Iran? I do not disagree with Trump’s approach on this one. Saudi Arabia? Not sure they are the great ally Trump thinks they are (9-11 was not that long ago, there was that sawing business in the Turkish embassy, Yemen is a human catastrophe etc). Israel? Big change in US policy... no idea what the long term implications are.

The big problem is US foreign policy is getting directed more and more by one man. If you think he is a stable genius, like some, then great! If you think he is (insert one of the words below) then the US in deep shit if he is re-elected :-)
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The ten most common words Americans (not Canadians) use to describe Trump: "incompetent," "arrogant," "strong," "idiot," "egotistical," "ignorant," "great," "racist," "a------" and "narcissistic."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/incompetent-strong-egotistical-words-people-describe-trump/story?id=50178088
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 28, 2020, 03:53:50 AM
Anyone knows how Trump’s cardboard Empire is still afloat? With the recent disclosures by the failing NYT (checks the stock price 🤣) and Trump’s $750 tax bill in 2016, when things were pretty peachy with respect to real estate, how come the Trump organization hasn’t filed yet? It should be fun to follow the flow of money because I don’t think it is internally generated cash flow.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: SafetyinNumbers on September 28, 2020, 05:13:33 AM
This documentary explains the grift pretty well.

https://www.sho.com/titles/3465228/the-family-business-trump-and-taxes
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 28, 2020, 05:28:31 AM
Anyone knows how Trump’s cardboard Empire is still afloat? With the recent disclosures by the failing NYT (checks the stock price 🤣) and Trump’s $750 tax bill in 2016, when things were pretty peachy with respect to real estate, how come the Trump organization hasn’t filed yet? It should be fun to follow the flow of money because I don’t think it is internally generated cash flow.

For many years there have been rumors that Trump has been laundering Russian money through his real estate holdings in New York as well as his casinos.

This could explain why his businesses are being propped up as well as his refusal to say anything negative against Putin.

When/if the Deutsche Bank records are ever released then we will likely see the proof of this.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 28, 2020, 05:47:37 AM
For those who don’t know the history of Trump/Deutsche Bank, here are a few details.

It is not rocket science to understand that no North American bank is going to lend money to someone who has a record of bankruptcies and failed businesses.

Trump turned to Deutsche Bank for his financing - a bank with a history of dealing with Russian oligarchs and a with questionable record of money laundering.

Over the years Deutsche Bank has loaned Trump $2.5 billion and continued to “loan” him money even after he had defaulted on $640 million in loans - against the advice of the bank's commercial unit.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 28, 2020, 05:04:03 PM
Another not so stable genius. The Trump’s campaign seems to be the largest collection of loser ever assembled by a president. Where does he find these people?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/police-bodycam-footage-brad-parscale-incident (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/police-bodycam-footage-brad-parscale-incident)

Famous last words: I didn’t do anything!
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Dalal.Holdings on September 28, 2020, 07:23:26 PM
The Trump’s campaign seems to be the largest collection of loser ever assembled by a president. Where does he find these people?

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160812164702-obama-biden-laughing-large-169.jpg)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 28, 2020, 07:48:02 PM

Anyone want to explain why Trump has gone out of his way to piss off nearly every single one of the US’s allies while sucking up to Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un, who played Trump like a fiddle?

I will let any others respond to your rant, as it's ok, I know you won't change your mind.  But this is a little tough -- "played them like a fiddle"

- Putin is in a box now. Unlike taking Crimea, and attacking US forces in Syria - Putin has to be very careful, since Trump smashed him in Syria.
  He's got Crimea now, thanks to Obama not arming the Ukrainians, but now Trump gave the Ukrainians missiles, anti-tank missiles, and armored
  vehicles.   This is good for Putin???
   
- China? Really?  Much to Washington's dismay, the ONLY politician to forcefully go after China on BOTH sides (Dems & Republicans) is Trump!
  4 years ago this was heresy in DC - the Swamp and Lobbyists were making far too much money on China. Trump has been TOTALLY right on China.
  The Chinese can not wait to get Trump out of office.

- Korea?  How much saber rattling/blackmail are you hearing out of the little dictator. His economy has been ruined by the Trump sanctions. Destroyed.
  But somehow this is a benefit to N. Korea - How does that work?

Much of Trump's brilliance on foreign policy is NOT MILITARY.  It's economic isolation and strangulation. Ask the Mullahs how that is working out.
Russia is fucked. North Korea - toast.  China - now a worldwide pariah after the China Virus - and Trump putting the spotlight on them for 4 years.

Since it seems that anything negative said about Trump is viewed by his supporters as ‘fake news”, here are Trump’s own words... 

On Putin...
“As you [Putin] probably heard, I am a big fan of yours!” “[Putin] has done a really great job of outsmarting our country. He could not have been nicer. He was so nice. He is really very much of a leader. He said nice things about me,” “I like him because he called me a genius. Putin did call me a genius.”

On Xi Jinping...
  "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus," "The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"
"Our relationship with China has now probably never, ever been better," "He's for China, I'm for  the U.S., but other than that, we love each other."


Kim Jong Un ... “[Kim] knows that I am with him & does not want to break his promise to me. Deal will happen!”  "I was really being tough and so was he," Trump said. "And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters." "They were great letters. And then we fell in love,"
                                    
One could also add other quotes of how he has sucked up to other despots like Erdoğan of Turkey and Bolsonaro of Brazil.

But contrast the above with his relationships with US allies...

Australia: His first call to another world leader. Trump hung up in the Prime Minister’s ear Because the Prime Minister expected Trump to live up to a previous agreement.

Canada: [Trudeau] acted so meek and mild," he said. "Very dishonest and weak." - this after tariffs were placed on Canada under a rarely invoked law that allows levies to be placed on a country in the interest of national security.

Denmark: Trump canceled his meeting with Prime Minister Frederiksen saying she was “nasty and inappropriate".

France: ... “France just put a digital tax on our great American technology companies. If anybody taxes them, it should be their home Country, the USA. We will announce a substantial reciprocal action on Macron’s foolishness shortly. I’ve always said American wine is better than French wine!”

Germany: "I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia,” “Berlin is a captive to Russia"

Mexico: "The problem is that Mexico is an “abuser” of the United States, taking but never giving. It has been this way for decades,”

Sweden:" Very disappointed in Prime Minister Stefan Löfven for being unable to act. Sweden has let our African American Community down in the United States. I watched the tapes of A$AP Rocky, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers. Treat Americans fairly!"

United Kingdom: "I have been very critical about the way the U.K. and Prime Minister Theresa May handled Brexit. What a mess she and her representatives have created. I told her how it should be done, but she decided to go another way. I do not know the Ambassador, but he is not liked ...."

And Americans don’t understand why their allies are fed up while their adversaries play Trump like a fiddle.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: cwericb on September 28, 2020, 07:53:30 PM
PS.

Isn't it interesting how Trump supporters on this board disappear whenever confronted with actual facts?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 28, 2020, 11:07:14 PM
LOL...the facts... such as "he lies at a historic rate!"
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Cardboard on September 29, 2020, 03:37:50 AM
Like I said who cares about Cwericb and Viking? Maybe a few leftist who likes to regurgitate the same stories over and over?

Real fact is that Trump brought to light real issues that were occurring, affecting the masses and that no politician dared to talk about even less to address. 99.9% are focused on pleasing people with voting bribery.

He is also really focused on helping his country first, which I really like, instead of bending over to special interests and to foreign aristocracy.

If I would be rich, would I have gone through this earth shaking mission that he did to try to improve things knowing that ultra powerful establishment would throw all their hate at me?

Did he commit mistakes along the way? Sure. Is it all solved? Of couse not. At least he had the courage to get the ball rolling on big issues on many where he wouid buy no vote (think of NATO) while peace prevailed and unemployment dropped to unheard levels for ALL Americans. Do you think that Biden would have any chance without this disease that no country, other than apparently China, has gotten control of it.

On the latter, Cwericb and Viking should check what is happening in their own country with bankruptcy approaching with massive deficits, no real big industry that will rebound once over, lockdowns restarting, a border closed to the world. If you want to see a crash in slow motion look no further than Canada led by an imbecile who loves to please the establishment with grand talk and failed policies.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 29, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Some recent MSM "news" headlines

-will Biden be able to withstand Trump's constant lying?

-why Trumps nightmare tax problems are a national security threat

-Republican peddles debunked conspiracy theory about possible Biden dementia

-Trump demands Biden be checked for hearing device

-the tax bombshell and why republicans should care

-Eric Trump suggests he's part of LGBTQ community, LGBTQ people say no thanks



Yea, not biased at all.
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: LC on September 29, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
The MSM would gladly shill for Donny, but their price was $751 :D
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Spekulatius on September 29, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
The MSM would gladly shill for Donny, but their price was $751 :D

On the positive side, his hairdresser vouches for him, since he made $70k on Donnie’s hairdo alone. Also, based on Donnie’s appearance, it seems he is getting a bit ripped off.

Then, there is me looking at my tax return this year:
https://youtu.be/RgkM2dI24oU (https://youtu.be/RgkM2dI24oU)
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: SafetyinNumbers on September 29, 2020, 04:47:07 PM
What would Trump biased headlines look like?

Maybe:

Will Sleepy Joe fall asleep during the debate?

Will Trump be able understand Biden if he stutters?
Title: Re: Good Ole Joe is your next President
Post by: Gregmal on September 29, 2020, 05:49:57 PM
A little more rational view on "things"....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-facing-devastating-debt-load-205638324.html


But of course this isn't the narrative when you get a bunch of losers with journalism degrees take a crack at finance/real estate accounting...