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rukawa

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Is Trump Authoritarian
« on: November 15, 2020, 10:25:46 PM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?
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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2020, 11:01:01 AM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?

Of course he's authoritarian.  He is for strong border policing/enforcement, trade restrictions, drug laws, cracks down on protestors, against police reform, is for special rights for police officers such as qualified immunity, banned bump stocks, has said things favorable to red flag laws, etc.  There is no question that Trump is authoritarian, it's just that the GOP for the most part is even more authoritarian than Trump and just about every Democratic politician (at least at the Federal level) is far more authoritarian still.
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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2020, 04:02:51 PM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?

I can't even believe you asked this question?  Once again, you guys treat the extreme left as the center of liberalism.  Are the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys the center of conservatism and the Republican party?  Don't waste time on this message board asking such a nutty question.  Cheers!
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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2020, 04:47:31 PM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?

I can't even believe you asked this question?  Once again, you guys treat the extreme left as the center of liberalism.  Are the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys the center of conservatism and the Republican party?  Don't waste time on this message board asking such a nutty question.  Cheers!

You've said this before, if only it were true.  The kooks on the right drive pickups with flags, have racist tattoos, and live in trailers. They have no money, power, or influence. The kooks on the left who say insane things and support socialist economic policies serve in Congress or write for, or have shows, on mainstream press organizations. They have money, power, and influence.

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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2020, 05:07:49 PM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?

What is up with all the labelling people are constantly doing? Left this... Left that... (or for that matter Right this... or right that...?)

Now i get it... by constantly labelling it does mean one can simply turn their brain off and live in a very happy place. Just like thumb sucking when young it can be very reassuring.

Not that i want to wreck someones mental model... but just because someone might think Trump is ‘authoritarian’ does not then make them ‘left’.

It is bizarre that people are not able to objectively look at Trump, what he says, what he does and be able to construct an accurate picture of the man (the good - of course there is some - and the bad - and yes, there is lots). It is not that difficult. However, to do this one does need to have an open mind and be inquisitive.

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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2020, 08:10:59 PM »
I hear the left say this a lot about Trump supporters and the right and honestly it has me confused. What is the left wing definition of Authoritarian and in what way are Trump supporters authoritarian.

Here is the definition of authoritarian:
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favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
It seems to me that the Left criticizes Trump for not restoring order to cities and not clamping down on COVID. Hence he would be insufficiently authoritarian from their point of view.

I'm also curious as to how the Left thinks of themselves as non-Authoritarian. In what way does eliminating freedom of speech, forcing everyone to ascribe to your point of view or be fired, makng up lists of enemies, creating blacklists for political opponents, normalizing violence against opposition....how is any of that anti-authoritarian?

I can't even believe you asked this question?  Once again, you guys treat the extreme left as the center of liberalism.  Are the Oathkeepers or Proud Boys the center of conservatism and the Republican party?  Don't waste time on this message board asking such a nutty question.  Cheers!

You've said this before, if only it were true.  The kooks on the right drive pickups with flags, have racist tattoos, and live in trailers. They have no money, power, or influence. The kooks on the left who say insane things and support socialist economic policies serve in Congress or write for, or have shows, on mainstream press organizations. They have money, power, and influence.

Bullshit!  The kooks on both sides have access to government, money, power...except one group always talks about how they love America and the other side wants to destroy America and are destroying civil liberties.  They are no different, but you guys keep pushing the argument that one side is worse than the other.  Which isn't true!  Cheers!
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Re: Is Trump Authoritarian
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2020, 06:12:43 AM »
^ No doubt about one thing: One party condones violence, looting, arson - since BLM/Antifa directly funds the Democratic Party.
One party cherishes Law and Order - and loves the American way of life.

Take your pick. Feel free to choose your side.