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cubsfan

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2019, 08:17:44 PM »
All the more reason for the USA not to go it alone. The UK, Canada, France and Israel have long been fast allies against bad actors.
To abandon or let Israel to continue to be threatened by Iran should be unacceptable to America and our allies.

Strangling Iran economically is the right move.

The US shouldn't be hiring themselves out to other countries as unpaid mercenaries. Even if other countries were paying us it's not the best use of our military. Leave people alone and let them solve their own problems. I like Israel, they have been an ally...to an extent....but it seems they and everyone else takes advantage of the US and our desire to police the world. That is called interventionism and it is unconstitutional. We shouldn't be meddling in affairs abroad.

If you want to lose the entire Mideast to the Iranians, backed by Moscow - then you let them go. Otherwise, you back Israel.

When you stood by and watched Germany take Czechoslovakia without action, you simply emboldened an expansionist regime.

Deterrence is a powerful antidote - but if you don't use it - you invite a wider conflict.

History doesn't change that much.

Another variant of the domino theory. Have the Iranians actually attached another country?

What do you call what they have done in Lebanon for years?  Syria? Iraq? Yemen? Gaza?

If you can't see that Iran wants to be the superpower in the Middle East, you are not paying attention.
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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2019, 07:32:22 AM »
All the more reason for the USA not to go it alone. The UK, Canada, France and Israel have long been fast allies against bad actors.
To abandon or let Israel to continue to be threatened by Iran should be unacceptable to America and our allies.

Strangling Iran economically is the right move.

The US shouldn't be hiring themselves out to other countries as unpaid mercenaries. Even if other countries were paying us it's not the best use of our military. Leave people alone and let them solve their own problems. I like Israel, they have been an ally...to an extent....but it seems they and everyone else takes advantage of the US and our desire to police the world. That is called interventionism and it is unconstitutional. We shouldn't be meddling in affairs abroad.

If you want to lose the entire Mideast to the Iranians, backed by Moscow - then you let them go. Otherwise, you back Israel.

When you stood by and watched Germany take Czechoslovakia without action, you simply emboldened an expansionist regime.

Deterrence is a powerful antidote - but if you don't use it - you invite a wider conflict.

History doesn't change that much.

Another variant of the domino theory. Have the Iranians actually attached another country?

What do you call what they have done in Lebanon for years?  Syria? Iraq? Yemen? Gaza?

If you can't see that Iran wants to be the superpower in the Middle East, you are not paying attention.

Are any of those countries any better than Iran? They are all threats to Israel regardless.

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2019, 08:06:58 AM »
It is interesting that Spek used the term "attached another country".  It is a typo of course but that is basically what they are doing.  Not an out and out invasion but they are forming closer and closer ties and creating influence.  Iran has large militias in Syria and Iraq, this is fact.  They are at the very least funding and transferring weapons and tech to Yemen.  They are also working with North Korea on nuclear weapons.

I differ in the solution.  If everybody knows that the US will ask as a policeman, your allies will take advantage of you and lower their defence budgets.  This is what is happening.  That is why all of the US NATO allies have such small defence budgets.  You do know that all these other countries openly mock your "militaristic" stance even while they depend on you right?  Your boys are dying and they are laughing at you.   Domino theory is valid but the NATO populations need to awake to the realities.  The only way for that to happen is for the US to become more isolationist.

Basically you need to scare the shit out of everyone again.  There is a huge amount of global complacency in your allies.  At this point by intervening all you are doing is enabling bad behaviour.

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2019, 09:51:46 AM »
It is interesting that Spek used the term "attached another country".  It is a typo of course but that is basically what they are doing.  Not an out and out invasion but they are forming closer and closer ties and creating influence.  Iran has large militias in Syria and Iraq, this is fact.  They are at the very least funding and transferring weapons and tech to Yemen.  They are also working with North Korea on nuclear weapons.

I differ in the solution.  If everybody knows that the US will ask as a policeman, your allies will take advantage of you and lower their defence budgets.  This is what is happening.  That is why all of the US NATO allies have such small defence budgets.  You do know that all these other countries openly mock your "militaristic" stance even while they depend on you right?  Your boys are dying and they are laughing at you.   Domino theory is valid but the NATO populations need to awake to the realities.  The only way for that to happen is for the US to become more isolationist.

Basically you need to scare the shit out of everyone again.  There is a huge amount of global complacency in your allies.  At this point by intervening all you are doing is enabling bad behaviour.

I would basically agree with this - perhaps my opinion is a little different, in that I think Trump is trying to "force" alliances by his actions
(such as NATO - "Now why do we need NATO?, Tell me again Why?").   I actually think Trump agrees with you - and he is trying to scare the
shit out of the "free loaders" like Germany.

You have the same thing happening in the Mideast. Israel has never shirked there responsibilities. But the moderate Arab states definitely have,
so you have the Emirates, Saudia Arabia, and Jordan, even Egypt being forced to come around to your point of view. Trump will back them against an Iran,
but he wants alliances.

I'm not so arrogant to think that the USA does NOT NEED alliances, in spite of our spectacular military.  We can count on Israel, Canada, UK, and France
to be our friends when the chips are down against Iran and it's active proxy Hezbollah (Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Gaza).

But we need REGIONAL alliances of which Israel is feared and powerful. Time for the moderate Arab states to chip in as well with men, materials, bases, etc -
against Terrorist states like Iran, who may get backing from Russia, etc.

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2019, 09:56:12 AM »

Are any of those countries any better than Iran? They are all threats to Israel regardless.

None of those countries hold a candle to Iran. All of them are near failed states, with an active Hezbollah.
The stronger the Iran proxy becomes, the worse the threat of course.

But an Iran with a nuclear weapon just makes the situation worse.

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2019, 10:58:58 PM »
This thread topic began like this:

I'll praise him when warranted...

A reasonable person would apply it to the following statement made by the President about Charlottesville:

"And you had people -- and Iím not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

But I'll cut you some slack.  You probably find it hard to commend the President, and I understand, given your feelings about Trump on matters of race.

So instead of doing the hard thing (Kudos to Trump), how about doing the next best thing, which should be easier:

Disavow the MSM and their pundits who, since August 2017 (and more recently, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris), have propagated and perpetuated the following meme:  Trump's statement about Charlottesville praised neo-Nazis and white nationalists, and called them "fine people."

Is this meme true, or false?  Fact, or Fake News? 

(Hint:  it's not hard.)

You praised Trump at least once, i.e., this thread.  Anyone who can't condemn the media regarding the "Fine People" Hoax (or even any other single time), and continues to disseminate this meme, is a brainwashed media propaganda tool.  And by this thread I know you're not.



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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2019, 01:09:19 PM »
Kudos to Trump again for sticking up for Pelosi.  The Democrats would not have done that for him!  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/index.html
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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2019, 06:44:50 PM »
More praise for our racist President:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfNbfyuy1cs

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Re: Kudos to Trump!
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2019, 07:54:52 PM »
Kudos to Trump again for sticking up for Pelosi.  The Democrats would not have done that for him!  Cheers!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/12/politics/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/index.html

Just as I congratulated this jackass for doing the right thing defending Pelosi, he goes and tweets his usual moronic, divisive crap:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/donald-trump-tweets-democratic-congresswomen-race-nationalities/index.html

Cheers!
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