New Zealand shooter's manifesto.

[rkbabang]

Nobody moves to America for the diversity. They move here for the freedom.

Exactly.  It is certain aspects of the culture that matters, nothing else.   I'd rather be free among people that look nothing like me, than be a slave around a bunch of white guys like myself.

[LC]

Look countries like Sweden where they're already in point where native swedes will be minority (in their own country) in not too distant future (2050 if not sooner). Few hundred years later there will be just one mixed race. I assume that's the 'co-existence' you're looking for? 

Well I'll have to ask you, did I argue anywhere for "one mixed race" or "forced diversity"? I think not.

You however are legitimizing the concern about, "the races mixing and the disappearance of whites".
What are you so afraid of?

If all the white folks decide they want to have kids with all the brown folks (and all the brown folks think the same!)  - who the hell am I to say otherwise? And why should I care if people look a different shade of color in the future?

How about nature? Look all those animals that are under threat of extinction. We are not trying to get rid off them nor destroy / mix them, but're doing all we can to protect them. Why we won't use same approach with humans?

You're not helping yourself with this argument. Again I'll ask you, are humans on the verge of extinction?

[Castanza]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with diversity. But there is also nothing wrong with people taking pride in their heritage and choosing to live near people who share similar cultural values, religions, ethnicity etc.

I think this is a great point. There is nothing wrong with cultural pride and it should be valued.
What does matter is assimilation into the country in which you live - so there is some feeling of "nation"
and the shared values and ideals that define the country.

For years, this was the great thing about America (perhaps Canada too?) - you could be very proud of say, your
Italian heritage and culture - but you adopted the principles and ideals of America - and you were just
as proud. The fact that we do not teach history in this country any more is a travesty.  It's not helping
the "melting pot" or assimilation which is needed for us to all get along.

Never thought I'd see this as an American.

Exactly. Being American is a mindset and an approach to life. There are certainly people outside of the US that are far more "American" than people who were born and live here. Culture and diversity is great! It has been a crucial aspect of America throughout history. But it is not the defining thing about America. The defining thing is the mindset and the idea of freedom, pursuit of happiness, tolerance, and celebrating differences.

The current issue is as a society we are beginning to put individualism or post modernism before the collective and this is beginning to erode the pillars of the American idea. Post modernism can exist, but not as the foremost idea. And certainly not within the framework of the American Constitution. John Adams talked about this when he said the American Constitution will only work under the moral and religious(religion in the sense of morality) society. People argue that America was not founded on Biblical Principals and they would be correct. But it was founded with morals which were derived from typical Christian principals (Which can be found outside of Christianity, but is simply most commonly associated with). Ultimately America will fail like most other nations and I believe the founding fathers knew this going into it.

[no_free_lunch]

There is a real possibility that the shooting in Utrecht may have been retaliation for NZ.  Still speculative of course, but that is what the little evidence out there indicates to me.

"A terrorist motive is being seriously considered," Utrecht's police and public prosecutor said in a joint statement. "A letter found in the flight car and the nature of the events give cause for this. Other motives are not excluded and are also being investigated." The contents of the letter have not been revealed.
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Police say there does not appear to be a direct relation between the gunman, who has had previous run-ins with law enforcement, and his victims, dispelling earlier media reports that the shooting may have been sparked by a domestic incident.
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Two other men, aged 23 and 27, were arrested in connection with the shooting on Monday, according to police; their role in the incident is under investigation.

[rukawa]

I don't think anyone will argue that racism is a universal bile .

But it sounds like value^2 was arguing or at least sympathizing with some notion that "the races" should not co-exist.

Curious to hear some clarification on that. Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting his post.

Look countries like Sweden where they're already in point where native swedes will be minority (in their own country) in not too distant future (2050 if not sooner). Few hundred years later there will be just one mixed race. I assume that's the 'co-existence' you're looking for? 

How about nature? Look all those animals that are under threat of extinction. We are not trying to get rid off them nor destroy / mix them, but're doing all we can to protect them. Why we won't use same approach with humans?

And what comes to topic.


"So far in 2019, there have been 453 Islamic terror attacks in which 1,956 people have been murdered.  But you will never hear those numbers from the mainstream media."
https://tinyurl.com/y52vopk6

Historically speaking no species survive over the long term...99.99% of all species are extinct. Races and cultures aren't really that much different. To me its funny for white people to care about race...you are the most racially mixed people on the planet both historically and to the present day.

I think that for humans the idea of a racially isolated group that preserves themselves has been proven conclusively to be impossible to implement..and the people who proved it are white people. Before Europe engaged in its voyages of discovery the Chinese and Japanese were engaged in an isolationist strategies.

What is truly interesting is that the Chinese invented gun powder, the printing press, fractions, paper. And the Japanese had been using guns extensively before Perry came with his boat. But there was no competition. There was no war because both Japan and China were completely unified and there was no new ideas to disrupt the existing order because they avoided interaction with foreigners. So the societies became static. Guns in Japan became relics because they never had wars.

On the other hand Europe was always divided, continuously at war, there was intense competition and a lot of mixing of both people and cultures. Eventually this racially and culturally mixed society with heavy foreign influences ended forced both Japan and China to open up.

Thomas Sowell has a beautiful quote:
"The British only got to North America in the first place because they had rudders on their ship that had been invented in China. They were able to navigate with trigonometry invented in Egypt. There were able to use all kinds of knowledge written down in letter by the Romans. They did their calculations using numbers created in India and brought to the West by Arabs. Meanwhile the Iroquois could not draw upon Aztecs or the Incas because they were not aware of their existence. And one of the reasons they were unaware of their existence is because their range of cultural contacts was much narrower than those of the British."
https://youtu.be/YX9RU6m6F1Y?t=1115