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Title: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: bearprowler6 on November 11, 2018, 05:44:14 AM
Even the Orange Head's beloved FOX News can't hide its disgust at the complete and utter disrespect he showed towards America's fallen war heroes:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-takes-heat-over-scrapped-trip-to-cemetery-in-france

Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: gfp on November 11, 2018, 05:58:11 AM
Well cut him some slack, its hard for a man with heel spurs and delicate hair.  The important thing is that he is a very brave hero who would have charged into that Parkland High School without a weapon and saved all those paid actors kids.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290105-trump-got-five-draft-deferments-during-vietnam

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-he-would-have-run-florida-school-n851266
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 11, 2018, 06:03:31 AM
Even the Orange Head's beloved FOX News can't hide its disgust at the complete and utter disrespect he showed towards America's fallen war heroes:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-takes-heat-over-scrapped-trip-to-cemetery-in-france

What a stupid post this is: the weather is too dangerous for the planned helicopter trip to the American cemetery,
so the trip is cancelled. So you accuse the President of disrespect toward veterans, when Trump regularly honors
our military at the White House, the VA hospitals, etc.

Your post is disgusting - given the distain the Obama administration showed the United States Military.

And of all quoted sources in your article, the sleaze bag, Ben Rhodes, who was instrumental in orchestrating the treasonist Iran Nuclear deal
by insisting to the press and legislators that the Iranian President was a REFORMIST.  Ben Rhodes should have been shot for treason.

Thank you President Trump for overturning the dangerous Iran Nuclear deal and respecting our Military.

Thank you Ben Rhodes for funding and spreading unchecked  terrorism around the Middle East.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: gfp on November 11, 2018, 06:10:26 AM
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Ben Rhodes should have been shot for treason.

Seems extreme.

And 'moderate,' 'reformist' are relative terms when you are discussing leaders of Iran, No?


*edit: I have just learned that Rouhani is married to his Cousin and one of his children committed suicide because he did not believe his father was a reformist.  Troubling indeed.  Politics is a rough business but nobody should marry their Cousin.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 11, 2018, 06:14:59 AM
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Ben Rhodes should have been shot for treason.

Seems extreme.

And 'moderate,' 'reformist' are relative terms when you are discussing leaders of Iran, No?

You understand the point GFP. Ben Rhodes has an enormous axe to grind given the reversal of the dangerous deal with Iran.
He sold it, he staked his career on it - and he looks like a fool now.

And anyone is surprised that he will be the leading voice in condemning Trump in regards to the Military?
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Cardboard on November 11, 2018, 07:56:00 AM
Seems to me like security is a true issue:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-stop-protesters-approaching-trump-motorcade-in-paris/ar-BBPzCfk?ocid=spartandhp

So many anti-Trump folks even on this website. Who knows how many are crazy enough to go overboard?

In any case, greatest respect that Trump has paid to veterans: making a reality for their deepest wish or avoiding war.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: SharperDingaan on November 11, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
Just to stir the pot ....

Apprarently the chopper can't fly in the rain?
And despite all the kings 'security', he can't do a simple drive across Paris - in an armoured car?
Oh right! ... no votes in Paris, so no need to go  ;D

To most vets - the best vet is a live vet who makes it home in one piece; and having a Commander In Chief that doesn't get them killed by threatening to push the buttion. There's been maybe 6 months at best between North Korea and now Iran; let's roll the dice boys - I'm on a roll!

SD
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 11, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
Just to stir the pot ....

Apprarently the chopper can't fly in the rain?
And despite all the kings 'security', he can't do a simple drive across Paris - in an armoured car?
Oh right! ... no votes in Paris, so no need to go  ;D

To most vets - the best vet is a live vet who makes it home in one piece; and having a Commander In Chief that doesn't get them killed by threatening to push the buttion. There's been maybe 6 months at best between North Korea and now Iran; let's roll the dice boys - I'm on a roll!

SD

You don't understand military history Sharper. The real Commander in Chief is the one the uses DETERRENCE as a weapon
when you have the strongest military in the world. This country has never been safer with Trump as CIC.

Unlike naive Obama, who set "red lines" in Crimea, Syria, etc - and begged Iran to play nice.
Leaders like Assad, Putin, Rouhani treated Obama with total contempt because of his weakness.

There will always be a Milosevic, an Idi Amin, a Hitler, Gadahffi or a Noreiga. History doesn't change in spite of your
undeserved Nobel Prize or your open arm speeches to the Arab world.  Trump understands this.

Therefore you smoke your adversary when he takes your US sailors hostage and makes you look weak, like Obama.

When Putin makes a move to test the US positions in Syria - you wipe out 200 Russian soldier in 4 hours with no losses, like Trump.
You are not afraid to use the "MOAB" when the Taliban thinks they can test your will, like Trump.

When you possess the greatest military the world has ever seen - you show evil people that you too can be evil to them.

That is the lesson of deterrence you do not understand.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: SharperDingaan on November 11, 2018, 02:52:48 PM
Just to stir the pot ....

Apprarently the chopper can't fly in the rain?
And despite all the kings 'security', he can't do a simple drive across Paris - in an armoured car?
Oh right! ... no votes in Paris, so no need to go  ;D

To most vets - the best vet is a live vet who makes it home in one piece; and having a Commander In Chief that doesn't get them killed by threatening to push the buttion. There's been maybe 6 months at best between North Korea and now Iran; let's roll the dice boys - I'm on a roll!

SD

You don't understand military history Sharper. The real Commander in Chief is the one the uses DETERRENCE as a weapon
when you have the strongest military in the world. This country has never been safer with Trump as CIC.

Unlike naive Obama, who set "red lines" in Crimea, Syria, etc - and begged Iran to play nice.
Leaders like Assad, Putin, Rouhani treated Obama with total contempt because of his weakness.

There will always be a Milosevic, an Idi Amin, a Hitler, Gadahffi or a Noreiga. History doesn't change in spite of your
underserved Nobel Prize or your open arm speeches to the Arab world.  Trump understands this.

Therefore you smoke your adversary when he takes your US sailors hostage and makes you look weak, like Obama.

When Putin makes a move to test the US positions in Syria - you wipe out 200 Russian soldier in 4 hours with no losses, like Trump.
You are not afraid to use the "MOAB" when the Taliban thinks they can test your will, like Trump.

When you possess the greatest military the world has ever seen - you show evil people that you too can be evil to them.

That is the lesson of deterrence you do not understand.

Oh I understand...

Use the wet teams to eliminate their heads of opposition, their key supporters, and their families - in a ruthless, & simultaneous execution, as a demonstration of shock and awe. The new men and their team take over, and everyone plays nice - or its you next. Dictatorship becomes a high risk occupation, the collateral damage body count rapidly declines, and the better your military the better the decapitation works.

All the grunts get to live longer, and some even make it back home without sustaining any injury.
Done well it's a life saver; done by an idiot - it's a nightmare.

SD

 



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Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 11, 2018, 03:31:56 PM
Don't worry SD - the idiot already served his 2nd term and is gone now on the world wide speaking tour for his next Nobel Prize.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2018, 03:42:49 PM
Just to stir the pot ....

Apprarently the chopper can't fly in the rain?
And despite all the kings 'security', he can't do a simple drive across Paris - in an armoured car?
Oh right! ... no votes in Paris, so no need to go  ;D

To most vets - the best vet is a live vet who makes it home in one piece; and having a Commander In Chief that doesn't get them killed by threatening to push the buttion. There's been maybe 6 months at best between North Korea and now Iran; let's roll the dice boys - I'm on a roll!

SD

You don't understand military history Sharper. The real Commander in Chief is the one the uses DETERRENCE as a weapon
when you have the strongest military in the world. This country has never been safer with Trump as CIC.

Unlike naive Obama, who set "red lines" in Crimea, Syria, etc - and begged Iran to play nice.
Leaders like Assad, Putin, Rouhani treated Obama with total contempt because of his weakness.

There will always be a Milosevic, an Idi Amin, a Hitler, Gadahffi or a Noreiga. History doesn't change in spite of your
undeserved Nobel Prize or your open arm speeches to the Arab world.  Trump understands this.

Therefore you smoke your adversary when he takes your US sailors hostage and makes you look weak, like Obama.

When Putin makes a move to test the US positions in Syria - you wipe out 200 Russian soldier in 4 hours with no losses, like Trump.
You are not afraid to use the "MOAB" when the Taliban thinks they can test your will, like Trump.

When you possess the greatest military the world has ever seen - you show evil people that you too can be evil to them.

That is the lesson of deterrence you do not understand.

You should check the news sometimes...North Korea continues to build out their nuclear program, and has expanded it even more than before Trump's little treatise.

Defence spending for 2018 will hit about $886B, less than 10% more than during any year during the Obama administration (he was fighting wars he inherited) and on par with peak spending during 2009-2012 when adjusted for inflation.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320

Also, how did Kelly make it to the memorium, but Trump couldn't?  He couldn't make his dumb grand entrance from the helicopter, and so he decided I'm not going to sit in car for 2 hours.  Some Commander in Chief...bone spurs and all!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Spekulatius on November 12, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-paris-cancels-memorial-visit-rain-us-military-ceremony-ww1-armistice-remembrance-aisnemarne-a8628611.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-paris-cancels-memorial-visit-rain-us-military-ceremony-ww1-armistice-remembrance-aisnemarne-a8628611.html)

Note that his chief of staff could travel there, Merkel and Marcon could manage to travel the same day, Obama could travel in luring rain in 2009,  it our current potus cannot be inconvenienced by rain. Maybe he still hasnít learned how to operate and umbrella?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-air-force-one-umbrella_us_5bd68898e4b055bc948d79a9 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-air-force-one-umbrella_us_5bd68898e4b055bc948d79a9)
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 12, 2018, 04:45:00 PM
The Trump haters never quit.

I'm sure you'd be very happy to see Trump back down on N. Korea and abandon the peninsula Parsad.

That way a nuclear N. Korea and China could threaten Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and Australia after our years
of telling those US allies they can't have nukes - cause we'll protect them.

Might as well Parsad, your hero Obama withdrew from Iraq - only to watch it meltdown - so he could
collect more speaking fees from the Arabs. So much for his deterrence and red lines in the sand.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: bearprowler6 on November 12, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
Seems it was raining at Arlington today:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pence-miss-veterans-day-observance-at-arlington-cemetery
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: investor-man on November 12, 2018, 08:17:28 PM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Gregmal on November 12, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership

An anti Trump article on WaPo... you're kidding! Never.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: investor-man on November 12, 2018, 08:55:39 PM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership

An anti Trump article on WaPo... you're kidding! Never.

Right forgot. The facts must be wrong then...

Speaking of which - am I the only one seeing the irony of Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweeting out *actual* fake news last week? I can't believe the media isn't jumping all over her/him/them.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 12, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
The Trump haters never quit.

I'm sure you'd be very happy to see Trump back down on N. Korea and abandon the peninsula Parsad.

That way a nuclear N. Korea and China could threaten Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and Australia after our years
of telling those US allies they can't have nukes - cause we'll protect them.

Might as well Parsad, your hero Obama withdrew from Iraq - only to watch it meltdown - so he could
collect more speaking fees from the Arabs. So much for his deterrence and red lines in the sand.

Cheers!

I didn't say to back down to North Korea, but Trump's bullshit about what he has accomplished actually overshadows what needs to be accomplished.  He probably could get something done if he actually stopped talking about how great he is and actually worked at being great.

You also didn't answer the question on how Kelly made it to the memorial and Trump didn't.  It's also funny how you point out Obama's speaking fees to "Arabs" but make no mention of Hillary or Bill's speaking fees or Trump's speaking fees before becoming President.  There certainly is a xenophobic undertone there...but you probably still believe that Obama is a Kenyan muslim. 

On my worst day, I would not presume that Trump would actually put foreign interests ahead of American interests...he's a loudmouth, bullying, misogynistic, asshole, but I still would not believe he would willfully hurt the U.S.   But you actually believe that the last President of the United States would.  That is truly a sad fact...for Americans in general because this is now a fairly widely shared view by many U.S. citizens...entirely perpetuated by contrived lies, xenophobia and political chicanery.  Very, very sad!
 Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Gregmal on November 13, 2018, 01:30:44 AM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership

An anti Trump article on WaPo... you're kidding! Never.

Right forgot. The facts must be wrong then...

Speaking of which - am I the only one seeing the irony of Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweeting out *actual* fake news last week? I can't believe the media isn't jumping all over her/him/them.

This is such a classic, typical textbook liberal response.

No, the facts aren't even being debated. The bias is....

And I guess you missed the Acosta temper tantrum ALL OVER everything last week. The "doctored" tape, which then turned into the "sped up" tape, which was continuously presented as "the story" rather than the conduct of some squirmy sleezeball reporter...
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 01:57:26 AM
The Trump haters never quit.

I'm sure you'd be very happy to see Trump back down on N. Korea and abandon the peninsula Parsad.

That way a nuclear N. Korea and China could threaten Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines and Australia after our years
of telling those US allies they can't have nukes - cause we'll protect them.

Might as well Parsad, your hero Obama withdrew from Iraq - only to watch it meltdown - so he could
collect more speaking fees from the Arabs. So much for his deterrence and red lines in the sand.

Cheers!

I didn't say to back down to North Korea, but Trump's bullshit about what he has accomplished actually overshadows what needs to be accomplished.  He probably could get something done if he actually stopped talking about how great he is and actually worked at being great.

You also didn't answer the question on how Kelly made it to the memorial and Trump didn't.  It's also funny how you point out Obama's speaking fees to "Arabs" but make no mention of Hillary or Bill's speaking fees or Trump's speaking fees before becoming President.  There certainly is a xenophobic undertone there...but you probably still believe that Obama is a Kenyan muslim. 

On my worst day, I would not presume that Trump would actually put foreign interests ahead of American interests...he's a loudmouth, bullying, misogynistic, asshole, but I still would not believe he would willfully hurt the U.S.   But you actually believe that the last President of the United States would.  That is truly a sad fact...for Americans in general because this is now a fairly widely shared view by many U.S. citizens...entirely perpetuated by contrived lies, xenophobia and political chicanery.  Very, very sad!
 Cheers!

What's really funny is how you proport to know exactly why his travel to the cemetery was cancelled - beyond the
logistical and weather conditions given - you obviously know more than the folks responsible for the Presidential detail !

You guys love to slam a President, particularly on Veterans Day, that is loved by the US Military.
One who listens to his military leaders and does not micromanage them, as did your beloved last President.

Your last President never learned how to be a Commander in Chief - so it is good he is gone. He made the world a
more dangerous place - but I'm sure you'd love to have him back.  When Hitler rolled into Czechoslovakia, Neville
Chamberlain crumbled. Chamberlain helped to create a monster, that eventually had to be dealt with.
He did not understand deterrence.

Your beloved hero, Obama, was Neville Chamberlain - acquiescing to the Mullahs, Putin, and Assad.
History doesn't change Parsad- evil people do not change Parsad - and yet you whine about
about someone that breaks glass and calls it like it is all the while assigning your vile unpatriotic
motives to him. It's good to have know-it-alls like you around.

You last President did not WILLFULLY hurt the United States - he NAIVELY hurt the United States. Obama was not unpatriotic.
He was weak and naive - and ignored the lessons of history.  He was Neville Chamberlain. Trump is not.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 01:59:47 AM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership

It must be those Russians again - since Trump is in Putin's pocket according to you!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Spekulatius on November 13, 2018, 03:57:24 AM
^ We know that everyone else could travel the same day, including his chief of staff, the French minister, the German Cancellor Merkel (she travelled to Compiegne the same day), but Trump was nowhere to be seen. We also know that Obama went there a couple of years ago in the pouring rain. We also know from former Chief of Staffs that there is always an plan for bad weather, but it seems that Trump decided not be in convenienced. And that comes from someone who claims he would go after a gunman armed to the teeth like the Las Vegas shooter. He is a twitter warrior, nothing else, a leader he is not.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 04:39:26 AM
He is a twitter warrior, nothing else, a leader he is not.

Yes, your true leader does much more than symbolic gestures.

He holds a historic White House ceremony honoring a deserter, Bo Bergdahl - who during WWII, would have been shot.
Better yet, in return, he gives our Taliban enemies back 5 ruthless murders in exchange.

That is the way your real leader honors his military.

Happy Veterans Day Barrack and thank you for your service Bo.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: gfp on November 13, 2018, 05:08:11 AM
I'm wondering if it was known that Bergdahl had deserted / gone AWOL at the time of the Rose Garden ceremony and prisoner swap.  I know it was determined later that this was the case.  But my understanding was that at the time of the negotiations, it was not known that he had gone AWOL moments before being captured.  It was being handled as a prisoner of war/enemy capture situation and they negotiated for the return of a US service member.  They were careful to make a distinction between not leaving one of our men behind and the policy of 'not negotiating with terrorists.'  But of course, they had fudged around the edges of 'the US does not negotiate with terrorists' before this.  And the US was in an armed conflict with the Taliban at the time, so it wasn't cut and dry that they were 'terrorists' in that context per se.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Cardboard on November 13, 2018, 05:49:39 AM
"You last President did not WILLFULLY hurt the United States - he NAIVELY hurt the United States. Obama was not unpatriotic. He was weak and naive - and ignored the lessons of history.  He was Neville Chamberlain. Trump is not."

Unfortunately he was a lot more evil than Neville Chamberlain and a lot more incompetent. Neville did realize he had been duped.

All he was good at was making a big show of killing Bin Laden.

I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

2017 and 2018 must be so far the years in history where humanity has seen the least number of violent death per million people.

Cardboard
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 06:24:05 AM
I'm wondering if it was known that Bergdahl had deserted / gone AWOL at the time of the Rose Garden ceremony and prisoner swap.  I know it was determined later that this was the case.  But my understanding was that at the time of the negotiations, it was not known that he had gone AWOL moments before being captured.  It was being handled as a prisoner of war/enemy capture situation and they negotiated for the return of a US service member.  They were careful to make a distinction between not leaving one of our men behind and the policy of 'not negotiating with terrorists.'  But of course, they had fudged around the edges of 'the US does not negotiate with terrorists' before this.  And the US was in an armed conflict with the Taliban at the time, so it wasn't cut and dry that they were 'terrorists' in that context per se.

There were many soldiers that knew Bergdahl, that suspected he had deserted. He was a flake and they knew it.
A President badly in need of a positive PR story likely knew, since he micro-managed the military anyway.

For the "Taliban Five", that Obama gladly gave up - one wanted for war crimes, another wanted for massacring citizens.

Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 06:32:17 AM

I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

Cardboard

Obama's lasting legacy will be a foreign policy of weakness that was a disaster for the Middle East.
But with him gone now, Iran will never have their wish of being the region's superpower.

The Baltic states, too, can now feel secure against Putin with him gone as well.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 13, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
He is a twitter warrior, nothing else, a leader he is not.

Yes, your true leader does much more than symbolic gestures.

He holds a historic White House ceremony honoring a deserter, Bo Bergdahl - who during WWII, would have been shot.
Better yet, in return, he gives our Taliban enemies back 5 ruthless murders in exchange.

That is the way your real leader honors his military.

Happy Veterans Day Barrack and thank you for your service Bo.

All you do is keep flipping it.  You actually never answer a single question.  How is it that Kelly made it, Marcon made it, Merkel made it...do you really think that Trump's security detail couldn't figure out how to keep him safe when it started raining?  But somehow you are going to bring this back to Obama or Clinton or some other liberal.  We're just asking you what 2+2 equals and you keep coming up with it equals "Obama"!  We want you to correctly answer "4", but we'd frickin' take "5" or "7"...but the retread answer always is "Kenyan muslim who loves Arabs and made America weak!"  Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 13, 2018, 12:04:33 PM

I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

Cardboard

Obama's lasting legacy will be a foreign policy of weakness that was a disaster for the Middle East.
But with him gone now, Iran will never have their wish of being the region's superpower.

The Baltic states, too, can now feel secure against Putin with him gone as well.

You will see war in the Middle East and Putin's reaches growing unchecked.  That's what you are going to get under Trump.  Just like North Korea is now expanding their nuclear arms program after that superb visit between Trump and rocketman.  And forget about Trump's alienation of China...they will be looking to partner with everyone Trump alienates...like most of Europe, South America, North Korea...Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Vish_ram on November 13, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
I never realized that it was a disaster to leave the middle east and not get bogged down in end less conflicts, that wastes precious lives & resources. The father of ISIS is W.

The dictators in these countries keep the peace. They routinely execute 1000's to save lives of tens of millions. This is the way it has worked for eons. When you go in without a plan, you end up breaking the system that is protecting tens of millions. UN should award these dictators with peace awards. Look at the number of people dead before and after US invasion. Night and day. 

To blame W's mistakes on Obama is the height of stupidity. Racism just blinds people. I guess the Korner of berKie Klansmen got their strong dose of alternate facts.


I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

Cardboard

Obama's lasting legacy will be a foreign policy of weakness that was a disaster for the Middle East.
But with him gone now, Iran will never have their wish of being the region's superpower.

The Baltic states, too, can now feel secure against Putin with him gone as well.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 12:49:42 PM
He is a twitter warrior, nothing else, a leader he is not.

Yes, your true leader does much more than symbolic gestures.

He holds a historic White House ceremony honoring a deserter, Bo Bergdahl - who during WWII, would have been shot.
Better yet, in return, he gives our Taliban enemies back 5 ruthless murders in exchange.

That is the way your real leader honors his military.

Happy Veterans Day Barrack and thank you for your service Bo.

All you do is keep flipping it.  You actually never answer a single question.  How is it that Kelly made it, Marcon made it, Merkel made it...do you really think that Trump's security detail couldn't figure out how to keep him safe when it started raining?  But somehow you are going to bring this back to Obama or Clinton or some other liberal.  We're just asking you what 2+2 equals and you keep coming up with it equals "Obama"!  We want you to correctly answer "4", but we'd frickin' take "5" or "7"...but the retread answer always is "Kenyan muslim who loves Arabs and made America weak!"  Cheers!

I keep saying you know more about the President's security detail than the secret service does.
You should be in charge. Can't you read. I take them at their word - you don't.

So sorry it bothers you that I criticize your hero "Neville Chamberlain".
Since we are talking about military leadership, it's perfectly appropriate to point out the weaknesses of the
last so called "leader" - and why he was a failure, so it's not repeated again.

I know the truth hurts.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 12:55:55 PM

I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

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Obama's lasting legacy will be a foreign policy of weakness that was a disaster for the Middle East.
But with him gone now, Iran will never have their wish of being the region's superpower.

The Baltic states, too, can now feel secure against Putin with him gone as well.

You will see war in the Middle East and Putin's reaches growing unchecked.  That's what you are going to get under Trump.  Just like North Korea is now expanding their nuclear arms program after that superb visit between Trump and rocketman.  And forget about Trump's alienation of China...they will be looking to partner with everyone Trump alienates...like most of Europe, South America, North Korea...Cheers!

We are certainly closer to war with Iran thanks to Obama's funding of the terrorist state. Restoring deterrence is HARD, but if
anyone can do it - it's someone like Reagan or Trump. Barrack sure was not up to it. Let's see what happens when
Trump draws a "red line", like the 4 or 5 that Barrack drew in Syria, Crimea and the Ukraine and promptly caved on.

Cleaning up someone else's mess is hard - but re-establishing deterrence is the first important step.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: LC on November 13, 2018, 01:00:08 PM
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I keep saying you know more about the President's security detail than the secret service does.

I too find it a good, democratic habit to never question a leader's actions, especially when there exists evidence to the contrary.  ::)
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
I never realized that it was a disaster to leave the middle east and not get bogged down in end less conflicts, that wastes precious lives & resources. The father of ISIS is W.

The dictators in these countries keep the peace. They routinely execute 1000's to save lives of tens of millions. This is the way it has worked for eons. When you go in without a plan, you end up breaking the system that is protecting tens of millions. UN should award these dictators with peace awards. Look at the number of people dead before and after US invasion. Night and day. 

To blame W's mistakes on Obama is the height of stupidity. Racism just blinds people. I guess the Korner of berKie Klansmen got their strong dose of alternate facts.


Patently ridiculous. The war in Iraq was WON when handed over to Barrack. The Bush surge worked against all the
naysayers.  Barrack then withdrew and watched "the JV" turn into ISIS and made him look like a fool. But he kept
his campaign promise and tens of thousands were killed in the sectarian chaos.

That would be like Eisenhower withdrawing from South Korea after driving the Chinese and North back to the parallel.
There would be no South Korea today. There would have been an enormous slaughter.

Racism has nothing to do with it - but Obama's ego and stupidity had everything to do with it. He overrode his generals time
after time - and watch Iraq sink into chaos.  Hitler did the same thing - a former corporal overriding his brilliant
German generals time after time, until his disaster at Stalingrad. 

Unlike the community organizer, Obama - Trump has assembled one of the finest military cabinet in history -
and he LISTENS to them. Trump is not a community organizer that thinks he is smarter than everyone.
And he certainly wouldn't listen to a POS like Ben Rhodes for military advice.

So much for your racism - but that is always the standard liberal comeback when all else fails. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Cardboard on November 13, 2018, 01:29:28 PM
Parsad always comes back with the racism thing. I am starting to think that he is a racist.

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Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 13, 2018, 01:47:22 PM
Unlike the community organizer, Obama - Trump has assembled one of the finest military cabinet in history -
and he LISTENS to them. Trump is not a community organizer that thinks he is smarter than everyone.
And he certainly wouldn't listen to a POS like Ben Rhodes for military advice.


Haha!  The finest military cabinet in history...you're smoking the same crap Trump does and talks about all of his accomplishments.  He's fired half of them, now he's firing his National Security Advisors...maybe they had something to do with the rain at the memorium, and he doesn't like how it makes him appear.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Parsad on November 13, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Parsad always comes back with the racism thing. I am starting to think that he is a racist.

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It's never been as overtly apparent as it has become in the last two years...not even when I was the only brown kid in my elementary school or people would tell my family "go back to India, you Paki!"  Oh, the irony of that slight! 

I thought we were past it, especially once a black President was elected.  Boy was I wrong!  And it's racism and bigotry from the most unexpected areas...people who were immigrants themselves, minorities radicalized by right-wing Christian groups and lies perpetuated by media trolls.  One of my father's cousins in Seattle, who is Punjabi and practiced as a Hindu for 90% of his life...was reborn a hard-core, right-wing Christian 5 years ago, and posts the same rhetoric about Obama, muslims and extols the brilliance and leadership of Trump.  He posts some really vile things about other religions on his Facebook page.  But you are seeing alot of this in the U.S. and abroad.  You are starting to see some of this in Canada...sickening!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: bearprowler6 on November 13, 2018, 02:05:23 PM
Update-----perhaps the "real reason" for The Orange Head missing the recent Veterans Day celebrations---seems he was needed at home to referee a catfight:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/first-ladys-office-calls-for-firing-of-top-bolton-deputy





Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 13, 2018, 02:10:17 PM
Parsad always comes back with the racism thing. I am starting to think that he is a racist.

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It's never been as overtly apparent as it has become in the last two years...not even when I was the only brown kid in my elementary school or people would tell my family "go back to India, you Paki!"  Oh, the irony of that slight! 

I thought we were past it, especially once a black President was elected.  Boy was I wrong!  And it's racism and bigotry from the most unexpected areas...people who were immigrants themselves, minorities radicalized by right-wing Christian groups and lies perpetuated by media trolls.  One of my father's cousins in Seattle, who is Punjabi and practiced as a Hindu for 90% of his life...was reborn a hard-core, right-wing Christian 5 years ago, and posts the same rhetoric about Obama, muslims and extols the brilliance and leadership of Trump.  He posts some really vile things about other religions on his Facebook page.  But you are seeing alot of this in the U.S. and abroad.  You are starting to see some of this in Canada...sickening!  Cheers!

You are absolutely right. Once Obama started to lose political power, he doubled down on the identity politics strategy
to motivate and rile up his base. "It's us against them, class against class, get out and vote for me".

He was the master of division.

Many whites were proud to elect our first black President - me included. Until he continued to lose power and
resorted to the politics of division.  Remember - when your policies fail and you are losing power - it's so much
easier to call the other side racist. It's not about being an "American" anymore.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: LC on November 13, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
Sanjeev - just remember while it is far easier to join in with the hate and prejudice. As Munger says it is a biological default to take the easy path. But, thinking people will always fight the good fight.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: investor-man on November 13, 2018, 07:28:34 PM
He's still not got anyone running the VA, and now it seems he's going to cancel his trip to visit the troops on the border "protecting" us from the caravan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html

This is poor leadership

It must be those Russians again - since Trump is in Putin's pocket according to you!

Frankly, it seems the only reason he even took the trip to Europe was to meet with Putin.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Spekulatius on November 13, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
"You last President did not WILLFULLY hurt the United States - he NAIVELY hurt the United States. Obama was not unpatriotic. He was weak and naive - and ignored the lessons of history.  He was Neville Chamberlain. Trump is not."

Unfortunately he was a lot more evil than Neville Chamberlain and a lot more incompetent. Neville did realize he had been duped.

All he was good at was making a big show of killing Bin Laden.

I would say that close to 1 million people died because of the actions of Obama and Hillary Clinton by encouraging the Arab Spring, leaving Iraq on its own. Think of the mess in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, rise of ISIS (which he always called by a different name so that people could not understand). These are all consequences from their actions.

2017 and 2018 must be so far the years in history where humanity has seen the least number of violent death per million people.

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The Arab spring started when a shopkeeper in Tunisia decided to light himself up out of protest, the US or Obama had nothing to do with it. itís wasnít really foreseeable that it ended up causing a disaster in Syria and even if one could have foreseen it, it was probably not preventable. Obama ran his campaign on thr promise on pulling the troups out of Iraq and Afghanistan and I believe that was the right decision, otherwise US soldiers would still be there with no end in sight.
We will see if Trump walks the talk, so far everyone seem to walk over him - the rocketman, Putin and his Saudi friends who get away with chopping up a journalist in the embassy of a NATO state. The problems in the Middle East were there before Obama came into power and will be there after Trump leaves there office and I donít think there is all that much that the US can do about it.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: cubsfan on November 14, 2018, 03:43:28 AM
Yes, the problems of the Middle East will always be there.

But ceding the region to Iran and abandoning Israel clearly leads to further chaos and terrorism.

His withdrawal from Iraq wasted the lives of those who served and died there.
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: Cardboard on November 14, 2018, 05:56:52 AM
"The Arab spring started when a shopkeeper in Tunisia decided to light himself up out of protest, the US or Obama had nothing to do with it. itís wasnít really foreseeable that it ended up causing a disaster in Syria and even if one could have foreseen it, it was probably not preventable. Obama ran his campaign on thr promise on pulling the troups out of Iraq and Afghanistan and I believe that was the right decision, otherwise US soldiers would still be there with no end in sight."

There was no call to overturn the government in Tunisia and what happened? Things returned to "normal".

On the other hand, Hillary and Obama encouraged and supported the overturn of both Khadafi and Assad with disastrous consequences or civil wars that cost 100,000's of deaths and population displacement on the scale of World War II in Europe.

They should have known better didn't they? A Saudi co-worker of mine had mentioned the high risks that Bush was taking by invading Iraq and overturning Sadam: 3 different ethnic groups being held together by one strong man. So a common man knew of this risk before it even happened.

Then after the previous administration opened that pandora box, Hillary and Barack did it again in Libya and Syria.

Then they also pull out fully of Iraq leaving a void... What were we doing in Afghanistan and Somalia if not trying to eliminate such zones with no laws so that terrorist could train and floorish?

And what about Egypt? Do you recall them handing power to the Muslim Brotherhood? It got really close to another civil war. Finally somebody woke-up it seems.

And by the way, if Trump fucks up in North Korea and is leading a misleading campaign as we discuss this, I promise you that I will be the first to blame him. However so far, it is hard to argue that we leave in a peaceful world and let's hope it continues.

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Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: watsa_is_a_randian_hero on November 14, 2018, 07:22:00 AM
Even the Orange Head''s...

Why do you find it appropriate to make fun of the color of our president's skin?
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: gfp on November 14, 2018, 07:33:40 AM
I'm not the one you asked, of course, but it seems like fake tanning - as it relates to vanity, etc - has been 'fair game' for comedy.  This is distinct from comedy based on the color of the skin a person was born with.  It doesn't seem inappropriate to make jokes about the fake tanning extremes of actors on the "Jersey Shore" television series (to me at least).  Our current president is a big fan of the tanning bed, and the covers he wears over his eyes while tanning create noticeable patches of natural skin tone surrounding his eyes.

At least I think that is where the poster was going with the "orange" comments.  Not exactly a racial slur, but in the land of the Washington Redskins, who knows what is what anymore..

Even the Orange Head''s...

Why do you find it appropriate to make fun of the color of our president's skin?
Title: Re: Orange Headed Trump's Behavior in France Truly Shameful
Post by: bearprowler6 on November 14, 2018, 08:21:11 AM
I'm not the one you asked, of course, but it seems like fake tanning - as it relates to vanity, etc - has been 'fair game' for comedy.  This is distinct from comedy based on the color of the skin a person was born with.  It doesn't seem inappropriate to make jokes about the fake tanning extremes of actors on the "Jersey Shore" television series (to me at least).  Our current president is a big fan of the tanning bed, and the covers he wears over his eyes while tanning create noticeable patches of natural skin tone surrounding his eyes.

At least I think that is where the poster was going with the "orange" comments.  Not exactly a racial slur, but in the land of the Washington Redskins, who knows what is what anymore..

Even the Orange Head''s...

Why do you find it appropriate to make fun of the color of our president's skin?

Very well stated globalfinancepartners---my views are accurately reflected in your reply.

Furthermore, I addressed Trump as "Orange Head" because of the way he addresses so many others (e.g., "Little Marco", "Low Energy Jeb", "Lyin Ted"etc). In my view, and I respect that many others strongly disagree with me on this, he does not deserve to be addressed as President Trump.

Actually, my full name for him is "Orange Head Small Hands". I apologize to anyone I offended by only using the short form "Orange Head" in my earlier post.