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cubsfan

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2020, 02:03:57 PM »
Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!


From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,
and kill the police.
Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly
acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!
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Apparently.

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.
You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.


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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2020, 02:14:57 PM »
I think all he was trying to say was that its OK for black people to shoot cops as long as they claim there wasn't a knock at the door(even if there was)....Dont be so harsh on him.

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!


From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,
and kill the police.
Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly
acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!
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Apparently.

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.
You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.

You and gregmal have succeeded in being idiots and morons for a while. You do it with virtually every post you make. You have no facts, double standards and a cult like mindless regurgitation of Fox News.

A guy has his door being knocked down in the middle of the night and fires at the perceived intruder. Isn’t it his 2nd amendment right to protect himself? If I recall correctly you guys have been in favor of the second amendment in past discussions so it must be something else you have a problem with.

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2020, 03:06:53 PM »
I dont think I've ever watched Fox News and Ive stated many times I am in favor of serious gun reforms and that normal citizens should not be allowed to own AR-15s and such. But keep going. You are almost there! Please, just nut up and say it! RACIST! Scream oh brother, scream. Like the liberals teach you. Identity politics!

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2020, 03:18:37 PM »
Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!


From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,
and kill the police.
Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly
acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!
.

Apparently.

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.
You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.

Put yourself in the situation:

-You awake at 1am to "bang, bang, bang" on your door
-You yell "Who's there"
-No answer
-"bang, bang, bang"
-You grab your gun and go in the hallway and again yell "Who's there!"
-No answer
-Door explodes off its hinges because its been hit by a battering ram.
-You shoot the first guy through the door
-The two plain clothes dudes rush into your house yelling police, and shoot 20 rounds, another dude is shooting blindly through your apartment window
-Your girl friend is shot 6 times
-A police officer radios for an ambulance for his partner who got shot in the leg (they previously sent the ambulance away because they didn't need it)
-EMTs get there and start administering aid to the injured police officer, your girl friend dies sometime in the 20 minutes between the call for help and EMTs  turning their attention to her
-Police officer firing through the window disappears - his partners don't know where he went and is unreachable. 
-Police book you for attempted murder of a police officer
-Police file a report that says no suspects were injured and the apartment was not entered forcibly, no mention of the 4th uniformed officer on scene
-Family fights for answers - no body cameras were turned over, disappearing officer is fired, all charges are dropped against boyfriend (you) 

Given the situation above, what is a responsible gun toting second amendment supporting citizen to do? The police claim they announced themselves. Something neighbors and Walker refute. This could all be cleared up with body camera footage. The three plain clothes officers are not required to wear the cams and said they were not that night, but the three officer in question do regularly wear cameras when serving warrants. The 4th uniformed officer is required to wear his body cam, but the footage has never been turned over. The DA seemed to agree Walker was defending himself, dropping all charges against him.
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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2020, 04:18:10 PM »
Understandable for sure. I think most anger should be directed at the War on Drug and no knock warrants. This whole situation was avoidable from that perspective.

As a responsible gun owner it is my responsibility to properly identify a threat. You cannot just start wildly blasting at someone who enters your home. You need to verify that your life is in danger 100%. There are dozens of individuals who are prosecuted for this every year. They likely receive a similar sentencing that the cop got. If the boyfriend lived it's likely he would have been cited in the same manner. When I took a NRA course about this, they were very clear on what you can and cannot do to burglars. That being said it's not entirely relevant to this situation. The whole thing was messed up from the beginning and people just want to throw blame. I thought the ruling was pretty fair. But there are still issue that need to be addressed.

Justin Amash has had a bill out (see below) there since day one of George Floyd and has been talking about it for a long long time. Nobody on either side of the aisle has taken him up on it.

- End qualified immunity
- End civil asset forfeiture
- End the drug war
- End overcriminalization
- End no-knock warrants
- End militarization of police
- End mandatory minimums

To me, this is the best place to start. But as always, emotions rule the land and people want to take extreme stances like defund the police or start shooting protestors like Kent State. This is why I'm done with the two parties. There are things I like and dislike about both of them. But from a high level, I see no path back to common sense for either party. I'll vote Jo Jorgensen, and I suggest anyone else who is sick of this two party system do the same.

Future prediction: 1.) Society pushes forward outpacing former extremes year after year until the system reaching a tipping point and everything breaks. 2.) Society embraces change and gets back to the foundations and principles that made America great to begin with. I don't see either of these happening this election. If I had to bet I would put put it on Trump since he is talking the most about Law and Order. At the end of the day people vote with their wallets and personal possessions. Democrats really should take a step back and rethink their socialist bullshit. If there was a scale 1-10 on how extreme each party has gotten with their views I would say Republicans are a 5 and Democrats are a 6 (7 if you include Green New Deal nonsense).

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2020, 05:17:14 PM »

You and gregmal have succeeded in being idiots and morons for a while. You do it with virtually every post you make. You have no facts, double standards and a cult like mindless regurgitation of Fox News.

A guy has his door being knocked down in the middle of the night and fires at the perceived intruder. Isn’t it his 2nd amendment right to protect himself? If I recall correctly you guys have been in favor of the second amendment in past discussions so it must be something else you have a problem with.

I have no problem with the 2nd amendment, but I hate guns and will never own one.
I've never said he should not protect himself - so you can dispense with the lies already.

So you want to stick up for criminals - that's on you. What happened to Ms. Taylor was a tragedy indeed. Unfortunately, you do run some risks
of a tragedy like this happening when you live a criminal lifestyle. Her home was basically a drug stash house. She herself may have been involved,
as the drug dealing and stash houses were going on for some time.

Personally, if I did not want "problems with the police" - I would not associate with these types of people.

But glorify them if you like.

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2020, 08:16:41 PM »
Verify if your life is in danger 100%? If a guy breaks into my house with a gun, should I ask if his gun is loaded and functioning properly before I can defend myself? You are the reasonable one out of the Trump triumvirate, come on now!
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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2020, 08:26:42 PM »
Verify if your life is in danger 100%? If a guy breaks into my house with a gun, should I ask if his gun is loaded and functioning properly before I can defend myself? You are the reasonable one out of the Trump triumvirate, come on now!

Respectfully, I am not following you. I have no problem with the 2nd amendment or anyone defending themselves or their property.
I don't get your point.

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Re: People Demand Justice
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2020, 08:51:10 PM »
Ross has done the generous task of illustrating the known timeline of events. To me, it is completely reasonable to consider my life in danger if my front door was kicked down at 1 am by a gang of intruders.

I am arguing that Castanza’s criticism of this justification is unreasonable.
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