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Re: Police State
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2020, 06:31:38 AM »
Perhaps I should have called you "Castanza the 1st and 2nd Amendment-ist"  ;D ;D
Just a joke :)

To the topic - yes the 1st Amendment protects the right to peacefully protest. And the 4th Amendment protects the right to not be plucked off the street into an unmarked van by DHS agents (a group whose scope has become so absurd it should be drastically reduced or removed entirely)

So if these cities/states want to charge people with defacing and destroying public property, so be it.
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Just because people tore down statues and threw rocks at government buildings does not mean the federal government can snatch random people off the street, interrogate them, release them, and then say "oh whoops nothing happened here!". That is completely unconstitutional any way you look at it.

Unless of course the Constitution, the bill of rights, any sense of civic and social responsibility has no meaning at all - in other words, if one is a subject to an authoritarian regime.
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Re: Police State
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2020, 07:12:15 AM »
Perhaps I should have called you "Castanza the 1st and 2nd Amendment-ist"  ;D ;D
Just a joke :)

To the topic - yes the 1st Amendment protects the right to peacefully protest. And the 4th Amendment protects the right to not be plucked off the street into an unmarked van by DHS agents (a group whose scope has become so absurd it should be drastically reduced or removed entirely)

So if these cities/states want to charge people with defacing and destroying public property, so be it.
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Just because people tore down statues and threw rocks at government buildings does not mean the federal government can snatch random people off the street, interrogate them, release them, and then say "oh whoops nothing happened here!". That is completely unconstitutional any way you look at it.

Unless of course the Constitution, the bill of rights, any sense of civic and social responsibility has no meaning at all - in other words, if one is a subject to an authoritarian regime.

The guy who was "plucked and put into an unmarked van" was chased for several blocks after assaulting a federal officer. The agents identified themselves to the man and they put him in a van to remove themselves from the crowd. The man was charged and released 10 minutes later.

People aren't just throwing a few rocks and spray painting buildings.

They are....

- Burning buildings
- Destroying private property
- Using explosives with rocks and marbles attached to the outside of the device.
- Throwing frozen water bottles, rocks, bricks, and other objects that could easily kill someone.

There is even a video of some BLM guy waiting outside a door with a hammer. When the agents exited a building the guy tried to brain an agent. Luckily the attack was blocked and the guy was subdued.
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Re: Police State
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2020, 08:01:58 AM »
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"I just happened to be wearing black on a sidewalk in downtown Portland at the time," Pettibone said. "And that apparently is grounds for detaining me."

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn't tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him whether he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later, he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.
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Re: Police State
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2020, 08:13:08 AM »
Where are the photos of police and federal officers laying bloody, beaten in the streets? I would imagine there must be hundreds of police who have been beaten, blinded, and maimed from these violent protesters to justify the use of military grade weaponry against sticks, knives, and rocks.
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Re: Police State
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2020, 08:21:06 AM »
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?

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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2020, 09:31:49 AM »
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Either that or it's time to move this to the what are you drinking today thread.  ;D

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation? How many accounts are you posting under Greg? Are Trump supporters so few that some are posting under several accounts? I mean, you make a post and then congratulate yourself for your post in the third person? Hello?
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Re: Police State
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2020, 09:41:30 AM »
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Either that or it's time to move this to the what are you drinking today thread.  ;D

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation? How many accounts are you posting under Greg? Are Trump supporters so few that some are posting under several accounts? I mean, you make a post and then congratulate yourself for your post in the third person? Hello?


LOL seriously? I was kidding around because as usual, when a pretty damning counterpoint is raised, we get crickets.... I thought that was obvious. Unless what? I have multiple accounts? Sanjeev has IP addresses. And lets face it, its not like theres many people/accounts here posting my viewpoints....

Like I said, where was your outrage at Obama in 2016 with the national park? Why arent BLM focused on the cause of 90% of black homicides vs just a fraction of 1%?  Go for it...I'll wait. And most likely, when there isn't a legitimate answer...I'll just continue talking to myself....
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Re: Police State
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2020, 10:06:34 AM »
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?

I can't find the story you're referring to but wasn't that during the gov't shutdown when national park rangers were furloughed and the parks were "closed".

IIRC there were stories of people still using the parks and getting injured, but very limited staff unable to respond properly.

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation?


This board has credibility?  ;D
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Re: Police State
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2020, 10:14:39 AM »
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?

I can't find the story you're referring to but wasn't that during the gov't shutdown when national park rangers were furloughed and the parks were "closed".

IIRC there were stories of people still using the parks and getting injured, but very limited staff unable to respond properly.

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation?


This board has credibility?  ;D

Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!

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Re: Police State
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2020, 10:20:42 AM »
Where are the photos of police and federal officers laying bloody, beaten in the streets? I would imagine there must be hundreds of police who have been beaten, blinded, and maimed from these violent protesters to justify the use of military grade weaponry against sticks, knives, and rocks.

Yeah, federal agents should be using homemade shrapnel grenades like the protesters.  ::) Pepper spray, tear gas, and rubber bullets, are for the most part non-lethal...

What's the body count of BLM now? 17? So BLM rioters are responsible for 17 deaths in 3 months. The deaths include senior citizens and multiple children. Not to mention the majority are black! Still many under investigation. Oh and look, they just found a burned body in Minnesota in a building set on fire by BLM rioters. So BLM rioters are 2 bodies short of all the unjustified killings done by police in 2019?

This movement was about black lives for about 10 seconds. This is about bringing down the system and ushering in socialism. But don't take my word for it....just listen to the leaders of the movement. BLM has raised 3B dollars and not a dime of it has gone to the black community. It's all going to a democratic lobbying group....

A black Portland police officer has a video out that's trending currently. He talks at length about the ignorance of this movement and how the majority of these idiots out protesting are yelling racial slurs at the majority minority police force in Portland.

Congratulations you're supporting
- A group who openly says they are an enemy of the state and trained marxists
- A group who wants to destroy capitalism
- A group adorning Che Guevara shirts and the communist hammer and sickle
- A group who is more racist than whatever racism they're claiming to fight against
- A group has caused hundreds of millions and probably billions of dollars in damage to private and public property
- A group who has now killed 17 individuals
- A group who bitches and moans about Trump not taking responsibility for anything and then literally builds a platform on the idea that nothing in life is their fault and everything is the fault of some "systemic oppression" that they can't ever quite put a finger on.
- A group who openly calls the nuclear family one of the most harmful things in society, yet the stats say the complete opposite.



 

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