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Title: Police State
Post by: Mephistopheles on July 17, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/

Federal "officers" without badges in camouflage kidnapped protestors without saying a word, refusing to identify themselves, and took them away in unmarked vans. This after the situation in DC a few weeks ago when men without identification, with guns stood guard in front of the White House.

Every single day the DOJ pulls something new to get us ever closer towards a fascist state.

As a moderate with libertarian leanings who loathes taxes, I would take Bernie Sanders any day over Trump. I don't think our country, or the world, can survive in its present form with a second Trump term.

Edit: Sorry, Parsad, can you please move this to Politics
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: cwericb on July 17, 2020, 02:55:14 PM
Agree 100%. Sad. Not only is he destabilizing the US but he is going to take a lot of others (countries) with him if they can't get rid of him..
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 18, 2020, 03:57:36 PM
"Law and order" president.

What law is this? Because it certainly doesn't resemble US laws or its Constitution.

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Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Mephistopheles on July 18, 2020, 04:46:14 PM
Everyone should be terrified of what's going on. Full blown authoritarian leaders don't become that way overnight, but only gradually, like boiling a pot of water with a frog already in it.

Has anyone paid attention to Bill Barr's antics at the DOJ? Personally getting involved and dismissing charges against Trump associates, firing U.S. attorneys that are investigating Trump. Don't forget "summarizing" the Mueller report prior to its release.

And of course the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Voter suppression is alive and real. I have no faith that the timid Democrats will do everything in their power to protect the election. No, they're too busy attacking Jeff Bezos and ejaculating over the renaming of the Redskins.

I am 100% confident that Trump will lose the popular vote but am unsure about what that means in terms of who wins the election.

This article is so chilling:

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/15/investigative-journalist-greg-palast-heres-how-trump-will-steal-the-2020-election/
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: cubsfan on July 18, 2020, 04:47:24 PM
Here is what a real police state looks like: China

https://saraacarter.com/disturbing-video-allegedly-shows-blindfolded-uighurs-being-loaded-on-trains-in-china/

Check out the video of hundreds of Muslims (bound and blindfolded) being loaded into train cars to depart for "re-education" camps.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: keerthiprasad on July 18, 2020, 07:32:30 PM

As a moderate with libertarian leanings who loathes taxes, I would take Bernie Sanders any day over Trump. I don't think our country, or the world, can survive in its present form with a second Trump term.


+1
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Packer16 on July 18, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
I cannot believe you guys cannot tell the difference between a real police state/autocratic state (China) & blowhard with limited power (US).  Authoritarian leaders have deep benches of folks to impose their views on others.  Where is Trump's deep bench other than his own mind? 

Packer
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 19, 2020, 12:03:44 AM
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Where is Trump's deep bench other than his own mind?

The very topic of this thread is DOJ employees kidnapping US citizens. The AG himself has made complete mockery of the word Justice and functions as Trump's personal hit man.

Off topic, but the China comparison is not a convincing argument...by the same logic you could dismiss China's crimes against the Uyghurs by saying they pale in comparison to a "real" genocidal Nazi regime.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Packer16 on July 19, 2020, 05:51:17 AM
Let me ask those who think we are going down the path of Fascism, have you studied the tactics/methods & historical context that led to the rise of those regimes & compared to US today? If not, I would suggest you do as this comparison is as valid as comparing 2008/9 to the Great Depression. 

I think this includes a good amount of speculation & the result is what picking up people & releasing them in response to a riot? Was there an imprisonment without due process?  How that is comparable to black or brownshirts killing your political enemies & putting your opponents in concentration camps I do not know.

Packer
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 19, 2020, 06:17:58 AM
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Where is Trump's deep bench other than his own mind?

The very topic of this thread is DOJ employees kidnapping US citizens. The AG himself has made complete mockery of the word Justice and functions as Trump's personal hit man.

Off topic, but the China comparison is not a convincing argument...by the same logic you could dismiss China's crimes against the Uyghurs by saying they pale in comparison to a "real" genocidal Nazi regime.

Dude, they have their culture and you have yours. Don't be such a bigot!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Mephistopheles on July 19, 2020, 07:08:27 AM
Let me ask those who think we are going down the path of Fascism, have you studied the tactics/methods & historical context that led to the rise of those regimes & compared to US today? If not, I would suggest you do as this comparison is as valid as comparing 2008/9 to the Great Depression. 

I think this includes a good amount of speculation & the result is what picking up people & releasing them in response to a riot? Was there an imprisonment without due process?  How that is comparable to black or brownshirts killing your political enemies & putting your opponents in concentration camps I do not know.

Packer
Border Patrol agents should not be picking American civilians off the streets, this should be left to the states. Of course there has been a mass countrywide protest against state police and national guard overstepping their boundaries for the past month or two, but this crosses a whole new line and a dangerous one. Again, no comparison to concentration camps but that was not the point. Were they released? I don't know. Were they taken without probably cause? Likely.



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Where is Trump's deep bench other than his own mind?

The very topic of this thread is DOJ employees kidnapping US citizens. The AG himself has made complete mockery of the word Justice and functions as Trump's personal hit man.

Off topic, but the China comparison is not a convincing argument...by the same logic you could dismiss China's crimes against the Uyghurs by saying they pale in comparison to a "real" genocidal Nazi regime.

Bingo. When you have the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country acting as the personal attorney of the President, it is unprecedented. I am fearful of the shit he's going to pull during the election. Will the secret police be picking up liberal "protestors" (voters) off the streets? I don't think anything is out of the realm of possibilities, and it should be the #1 focus of the Democrats, but it's not.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 19, 2020, 07:30:05 AM
I agree things have gotten a little out of hand, but I cant see for the life of me how anyone raising concerns about this topic while even pretending not to have an agenda hasn't brought up the most blatant example... the use of the FBI and DOJ to spy on and interfere with a political opponent. Same as with the Trump campaign(again trying to be logically consistent), many of these protesters must be aware that they run the risk of being found guilty by association.

Another big problem in America, is that people who complain about large issues have no problem being silent about the same issues when the situation falls outside there smaller circle of "their issues". Racism should be unequivocally wrong. Period. Police brutality should be unequivocally wrong. Period. Black live should matter. Period. Sadly this isn't the case to most, especially the ones who try to "appear" to be fighting the issue the hardest.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 19, 2020, 08:00:57 AM
Oh I totally agree on using the FBI to spy on political opponents. Another tool straight from the authoritarian playbook.

On your second point I don't think people disagree, but there is a difference between public and private activities. Taxpayers can demand change to police departments in light of evidence of racism and police brutality. We fund the police - we should control who is hired/fired and make demands upon them.

It is a lot harder to demand change from black criminals in Chicago who are responsible for black-on-black violence in that city, for example.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 19, 2020, 09:18:02 AM
It is a lot harder to demand change from black criminals in Chicago who are responsible for black-on-black violence in that city, for example.

True, but again this comes back to some of the core issues regarding laziness and self serving motives. You really, REALLY, want to make a positive change, then go all out. I am sure there are some well intentioned but ultimately misguided protesters. But there's also a lot of cowards and simply people with ulterior motives. You cant tell me the taxpayers in Chicago dont know where, or which neighborhood the violence is coming from.....thats bs. Want to really combat the issue of black lives? Get your asses out in those neighborhoods, in HUGE numbers..... but no. Its a lot easier leaking locations to the press so you can grandstand and antagonize police officers, bound by codes of conduct and in the moment held captive to that by all the media cameras undoubtedly on them and waiting for their shot at the next "exhibit" of brutality. Much, much easier to go that route then show up in terrible neighborhood where laws are REALLY meaningless and your physical safety is in question because no media member wants to go there and you've already done your best to drive out the cops!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 19, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 19, 2020, 10:18:42 AM
Let me ask those who think we are going down the path of Fascism, have you studied the tactics/methods & historical context that led to the rise of those regimes & compared to US today? If not, I would suggest you do as this comparison is as valid as comparing 2008/9 to the Great Depression. 

I think this includes a good amount of speculation & the result is what picking up people & releasing them in response to a riot? Was there an imprisonment without due process?  How that is comparable to black or brownshirts killing your political enemies & putting your opponents in concentration camps I do not know.

Packer
Dude what are you even talking about. Why does any of that even matter?

You have Little Green Men snatching people off the street into unmarked vans. IN THE UNITED STATES! Unbelievable!

It doesn't really get more police statey than that. And the reply is well let's see if it's done the same like the Nazis did it? Or something about benches? Or my favourite: well at least we don't put them in concentration camps.... yet.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Packer16 on July 19, 2020, 01:36:31 PM
All I am saying is we will know the details over time & the situation they were picked up in had some rioting & vandalism.  Jumping to conclusions that we are in a police state is pretty extreme as was my response. Letís see how this plays out over time when all the facts are known.

Packer
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 19, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest. The failures to do this, despite it being a rather simple solution, really do highlight the fact that most active participants in these causes are phonies and total frauds, and that the people not participating but supporting it on a verbal level, are really just partisan hacks. I mean even on a basic level, these citizens cant even bother to call the local police on gang/drug activity in their communities?

After all, we complain about police culture; and it is indeed deserving of criticism, but ignore, largely from the same folks, the mongrelization of their own society, with such community wide slogans and attitudes as "snitches get stitches". Which translated into English, basically mean, if you dare stand up for or try to enforce the rules designed to protect and keep safe your community, you will be ostracized and likely face physical harm...these people are frauds and fakes as obvious as the George Floyd $20 bill.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 19, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Taxpayers pay POLICE to do exactly what you are saying. When the police misbehave, taxpayers don't do their job for them, they find better police!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 19, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
All I am saying is we will know the details over time & the situation they were picked up in had some rioting & vandalism.  Jumping to conclusions that we are in a police state is pretty extreme as was my response. Letís see how this plays out over time when all the facts are known.

Packer

Yes. Jumping to conclusions is usually never prudent. Most will agree there. I think what concerns myself and others is the fact that Trump's DOJ did this in the first place, given it is a blatant violation of the spirit & letter of the Constitution.

I mean, if a government takes a "Do First, Ask Forgiveness Later" approach to breaking its own founding principles, that is pretty concerning at least in my opinion. But thank you for sharing yours as well.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 19, 2020, 02:01:40 PM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Taxpayers pay POLICE to do exactly what you are saying. When the police misbehave, taxpayers don't do their job for them, they find better police!
Either that or it's time to move this to the what are you drinking today thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 19, 2020, 02:02:13 PM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Taxpayers pay POLICE to do exactly what you are saying. When the police misbehave, taxpayers don't do their job for them, they find better police!


LOL Just pointing out that the absurdity(and crickets here), let alone stupidity of talking about "Black Lives Matter" and then focusing on something that accounts for less than 1% of black deaths annually, while you have a giant fucking gorilla in your living room that accounts for more than 75% of them....well, its about as intelligent as Andy Kaufman seeking out pseudoscientific treatments to cure his cancer. Soooo freaking dumb that your "stated" objective, cant possibly be your actual intended objective, simply because, there are SOOOOOO many other, much more productive and obvious ways to go about it.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 19, 2020, 02:12:58 PM
All I am saying is we will know the details over time & the situation they were picked up in had some rioting & vandalism.  Jumping to conclusions that we are in a police state is pretty extreme as was my response. Letís see how this plays out over time when all the facts are known.

Packer

Yes. Jumping to conclusions is usually never prudent. Most will agree there. I think what concerns myself and others is the fact that Trump's DOJ did this in the first place, given it is a blatant violation of the spirit & letter of the Constitution.

I mean, if a government takes a "Do First, Ask Forgiveness Later" approach to breaking its own founding principles, that is pretty concerning at least in my opinion. But thank you for sharing yours as well.
Well I strongly disagree. When Little Green Men with unmarked vans show up you don't take a wait and see approach. That never worked out well.

In fact since we're going into constitutional things wasn't the 2A put in place specifically for something like this?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Jurgis on July 19, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
In fact since we're going into constitutional things wasn't the 2A put in place specifically for something like this?

2A was put in place so dudes with gunz could not wear masks. Or maybe so they could wear masks.

It's rather confusing nowadays.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 20, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
Oh look, snatch and grabs coming soon to a city near you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-trump/trump-plans-to-send-federal-law-enforcement-personnel-to-democratic-led-u-s-cities-idUSKCN24L1ZN

I'm old enough to remember a time. It was a simpler time. Some black guy was president, and the Gov of Texas (Greg Abbott) raised a big fuss and deployed the Texas National Guard in response to a planned military exercise just in case that guy would invade Texas and arrest political dissidents. Y'all remember that time?

Help me out here what do you think the reaction would have been if Obama or Eric Holder sent Little Green Men in unmarked vans to snatch people prancing with guns off the streets? Do you think we would have seen brains splattered all over the lenses of fox news cameras from all the heads exploding or would the reaction have been "we should wait, not jump to conclusions, let's have some more information."?

By the way, where's the NRA during all of this? For years they've been saying that we should all have guns exactly and precisely for a moment like this. One would think that the NRA would not be able to contain its excitement. If I was the NRA I'd be front and center with a big "I TOLD YOU SO!" message. But instead all of a sudden... crickets.

Finally, I'd like the big patriots around here to help me out a bit. As of right now i have: having to wear a mask=Tyranny, Little Green Men grabbing people off the streets in unmarked vans=Kinda OK. Do I have this freedom thing right?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Jurgis on July 20, 2020, 06:35:09 PM
2A and NRA iz for white dudez with Confederate symbolz, not for some sissiez in dem citiez.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Castanza on July 21, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
Let me ask those who think we are going down the path of Fascism, have you studied the tactics/methods & historical context that led to the rise of those regimes & compared to US today? If not, I would suggest you do as this comparison is as valid as comparing 2008/9 to the Great Depression. 

I think this includes a good amount of speculation & the result is what picking up people & releasing them in response to a riot? Was there an imprisonment without due process?  How that is comparable to black or brownshirts killing your political enemies & putting your opponents in concentration camps I do not know.

Packer
Border Patrol agents should not be picking American civilians off the streets, this should be left to the states. Of course there has been a mass countrywide protest against state police and national guard overstepping their boundaries for the past month or two, but this crosses a whole new line and a dangerous one. Again, no comparison to concentration camps but that was not the point. Were they released? I don't know. Were they taken without probably cause? Likely.



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Where is Trump's deep bench other than his own mind?

The very topic of this thread is DOJ employees kidnapping US citizens. The AG himself has made complete mockery of the word Justice and functions as Trump's personal hit man.

Off topic, but the China comparison is not a convincing argument...by the same logic you could dismiss China's crimes against the Uyghurs by saying they pale in comparison to a "real" genocidal Nazi regime.

Bingo. When you have the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country acting as the personal attorney of the President, it is unprecedented. I am fearful of the shit he's going to pull during the election. Will the secret police be picking up liberal "protestors" (voters) off the streets? I don't think anything is out of the realm of possibilities, and it should be the #1 focus of the Democrats, but it's not.

Portland is on day 50? of riots, protests and property damage. Anyone bitching and complaining about "unmarked police" arresting these people is part of the problem. They aren't "secret police". It's department of homeland security and they announced their involvement.

The Left: "Trump will destroy America!"

The Left: Literally out looting, burning and destroying American cities across the country causing millions of dollars in damage. Most likely permanent or long term impairments.

I'm sure all the riots and looting would stop if we just sent out some social workers  ::)
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 21, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Yea, its quite incredible. Get your shit in order or someone else will do it for you. Its petrifying that people are content letting places like Chicago, NYC, LA, Portland, etc just rot and destroy themselves.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Castanza on July 22, 2020, 05:50:26 AM
Sheesh. First we've got Paul the Apostle over here defending Trump getting Americans killed as the "less dangerous" option, and now Castanza the Constitutionalist chimes in that blatant violations of Constitutional rights are totally OK.

It's either the twilight zone or you guys compromise your beliefs quicker than a starving vegan at a barbecue.

1A - Peaceably assemble and protest. When you break the confines of that you are no longer within your right and it should be put down. You said you're fine with Confederate statues being torn down because they were the enemy of the state, yet you still sit here in denial as if the majority of protesters are not peaceful? How at this point can you not see ANTIFA and BLM as enemies of the state?

By your standards it would have been "unconstitutional" to try and stop the confederacy right?

Complete nonsense....these riots and protests have violated so many rights of individuals with violence, property destruction etc. The job of the government is to hold that line, not allow it.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Castanza on July 22, 2020, 06:27:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO5lzKQqLt8

DHS head on CNN
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 06:31:38 AM
Perhaps I should have called you "Castanza the 1st and 2nd Amendment-ist"  ;D ;D
Just a joke :)

To the topic - yes the 1st Amendment protects the right to peacefully protest. And the 4th Amendment protects the right to not be plucked off the street into an unmarked van by DHS agents (a group whose scope has become so absurd it should be drastically reduced or removed entirely)

So if these cities/states want to charge people with defacing and destroying public property, so be it.
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Just because people tore down statues and threw rocks at government buildings does not mean the federal government can snatch random people off the street, interrogate them, release them, and then say "oh whoops nothing happened here!". That is completely unconstitutional any way you look at it.

Unless of course the Constitution, the bill of rights, any sense of civic and social responsibility has no meaning at all - in other words, if one is a subject to an authoritarian regime.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Castanza on July 22, 2020, 07:12:15 AM
Perhaps I should have called you "Castanza the 1st and 2nd Amendment-ist"  ;D ;D
Just a joke :)

To the topic - yes the 1st Amendment protects the right to peacefully protest. And the 4th Amendment protects the right to not be plucked off the street into an unmarked van by DHS agents (a group whose scope has become so absurd it should be drastically reduced or removed entirely)

So if these cities/states want to charge people with defacing and destroying public property, so be it.
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Just because people tore down statues and threw rocks at government buildings does not mean the federal government can snatch random people off the street, interrogate them, release them, and then say "oh whoops nothing happened here!". That is completely unconstitutional any way you look at it.

Unless of course the Constitution, the bill of rights, any sense of civic and social responsibility has no meaning at all - in other words, if one is a subject to an authoritarian regime.

The guy who was "plucked and put into an unmarked van" was chased for several blocks after assaulting a federal officer. The agents identified themselves to the man and they put him in a van to remove themselves from the crowd. The man was charged and released 10 minutes later.

People aren't just throwing a few rocks and spray painting buildings.

They are....

- Burning buildings
- Destroying private property
- Using explosives with rocks and marbles attached to the outside of the device.
- Throwing frozen water bottles, rocks, bricks, and other objects that could easily kill someone.

There is even a video of some BLM guy waiting outside a door with a hammer. When the agents exited a building the guy tried to brain an agent. Luckily the attack was blocked and the guy was subdued.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 08:01:58 AM
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"I just happened to be wearing black on a sidewalk in downtown Portland at the time," Pettibone said. "And that apparently is grounds for detaining me."

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn't tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him whether he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later, he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
Where are the photos of police and federal officers laying bloody, beaten in the streets? I would imagine there must be hundreds of police who have been beaten, blinded, and maimed from these violent protesters to justify the use of military grade weaponry against sticks, knives, and rocks.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 08:21:06 AM
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: cwericb on July 22, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Either that or it's time to move this to the what are you drinking today thread.  ;D

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation? How many accounts are you posting under Greg? Are Trump supporters so few that some are posting under several accounts? I mean, you make a post and then congratulate yourself for your post in the third person? Hello?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 09:41:30 AM
I mean fuck, you can storm police headquarters and destroy landmarks....but you dumbasses cant go ransack the neighborhood drug den and throw all the drug dealers out on their asses or engage in another "constitutional right", the citizens arrest, and drag those criminals asses to the precinct? Please....

Good point Greg. I am surprised no one else has chimed in on this. Not only would your solution be much more time/energy efficient, but it would also significantly increase the positive ripple effect of a proactive community and protest.
Forget to log into your alt account? :D

Either that or it's time to move this to the what are you drinking today thread.  ;D

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation? How many accounts are you posting under Greg? Are Trump supporters so few that some are posting under several accounts? I mean, you make a post and then congratulate yourself for your post in the third person? Hello?


LOL seriously? I was kidding around because as usual, when a pretty damning counterpoint is raised, we get crickets.... I thought that was obvious. Unless what? I have multiple accounts? Sanjeev has IP addresses. And lets face it, its not like theres many people/accounts here posting my viewpoints....

Like I said, where was your outrage at Obama in 2016 with the national park? Why arent BLM focused on the cause of 90% of black homicides vs just a fraction of 1%?  Go for it...I'll wait. And most likely, when there isn't a legitimate answer...I'll just continue talking to myself....
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 10:06:34 AM
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?

I can't find the story you're referring to but wasn't that during the gov't shutdown when national park rangers were furloughed and the parks were "closed".

IIRC there were stories of people still using the parks and getting injured, but very limited staff unable to respond properly.

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation?


This board has credibility?  ;D
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 10:14:39 AM
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?

I can't find the story you're referring to but wasn't that during the gov't shutdown when national park rangers were furloughed and the parks were "closed".

IIRC there were stories of people still using the parks and getting injured, but very limited staff unable to respond properly.

Hmmmm...
For the credibility of this board, doesn't this deserve an explanation?


This board has credibility?  ;D

Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Castanza on July 22, 2020, 10:20:42 AM
Where are the photos of police and federal officers laying bloody, beaten in the streets? I would imagine there must be hundreds of police who have been beaten, blinded, and maimed from these violent protesters to justify the use of military grade weaponry against sticks, knives, and rocks.

Yeah, federal agents should be using homemade shrapnel grenades like the protesters.  ::) Pepper spray, tear gas, and rubber bullets, are for the most part non-lethal...

What's the body count of BLM now? 17? So BLM rioters are responsible for 17 deaths in 3 months. The deaths include senior citizens and multiple children. Not to mention the majority are black! Still many under investigation. Oh and look, they just found a burned body in Minnesota in a building set on fire by BLM rioters. So BLM rioters are 2 bodies short of all the unjustified killings done by police in 2019?

This movement was about black lives for about 10 seconds. This is about bringing down the system and ushering in socialism. But don't take my word for it....just listen to the leaders of the movement. BLM has raised 3B dollars and not a dime of it has gone to the black community. It's all going to a democratic lobbying group....

A black Portland police officer has a video out that's trending currently. He talks at length about the ignorance of this movement and how the majority of these idiots out protesting are yelling racial slurs at the majority minority police force in Portland.

Congratulations you're supporting
- A group who openly says they are an enemy of the state and trained marxists
- A group who wants to destroy capitalism
- A group adorning Che Guevara shirts and the communist hammer and sickle
- A group who is more racist than whatever racism they're claiming to fight against
- A group has caused hundreds of millions and probably billions of dollars in damage to private and public property
- A group who has now killed 17 individuals
- A group who bitches and moans about Trump not taking responsibility for anything and then literally builds a platform on the idea that nothing in life is their fault and everything is the fault of some "systemic oppression" that they can't ever quite put a finger on.
- A group who openly calls the nuclear family one of the most harmful things in society, yet the stats say the complete opposite.



 

Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 11:47:40 AM
Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!

Uh...those guys took over a federal building. And those guys were arrested. Officers didn't walk to the next town over and arrest another fat white guy with a rifle.

If you're saying that protesters who are burning federal property should be arrested, you'll have no argument from me. I even said as much:

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Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 11:55:07 AM
Castanza, the issue of police brutality & militarization goes beyond BLM, Antifa, whatever group you want to point to and say, "Those guys are worse!"

In many cases, police are the ones initiating violence. Do I need to start posting video links for the Xth time?

And what shrapnel are you talking about. Post some sources because I cannot find them, and I'm talking about 3rd page google results here. The only bomb story I see was this POS getting arrested for wanting to attack BLM protesters:
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/st-charles-county-man-charged-explosives/63-8d7c0daf-fb22-4fb9-932d-ad4a542415f8
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!

Uh...those guys took over a federal building. And those guys were arrested. Officers didn't walk to the next town over and arrest another fat white guy with a rifle.

If you're saying that protesters who are burning federal property should be arrested, you'll have no argument from me. I even said as much:

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Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Ok, good. And when the local politicians refuse to take action...bring in the big boys. When your overall violent crime rates increase as dramatically as some have, and the governors cant fix the problem....same thing.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
Now youíre stretching. The Feds have certain rights and certain responsibilities. Violating the 4th amendment is not one of them.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 22, 2020, 02:59:03 PM
Curious if anyone can recall all the outrage when Obama brought in federal agents because a bunch of hillbillies took over a national park?
Yeah, I remember that one. It was a while back so the details may be a bit foggy, but this is what i remember:

- it was a large number of heavily armed hillbillies. They said that they're gonna make the park their state/territory/whatever
- the agents waited out these people for a long time
- most of the folks there walked away ok unimpeded
- the agents didn't beat up/kidnap anyone
- the agents wore their regular uniforms with big identifying letters that read FBI clearly identifying their agency
- Oh and this was a national park clearly under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 22, 2020, 03:17:37 PM
Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!

Uh...those guys took over a federal building. And those guys were arrested. Officers didn't walk to the next town over and arrest another fat white guy with a rifle.

If you're saying that protesters who are burning federal property should be arrested, you'll have no argument from me. I even said as much:

Quote
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Ok, good. And when the local politicians refuse to take action...bring in the big boys. When your overall violent crime rates increase as dramatically as some have, and the governors cant fix the problem....same thing.
You've gotta love this logic.

Once in a century pandemic hits: Shouldn't blame the Feds. It's all a local a local matter there's nothing they can do it's out of their hands. It's all up to the states.

Local police not beating people enough: Bring in the big boys!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 03:51:22 PM
Sorry, a wildlife refuge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

So many different places we can go with this one, so pick your poison!

Uh...those guys took over a federal building. And those guys were arrested. Officers didn't walk to the next town over and arrest another fat white guy with a rifle.

If you're saying that protesters who are burning federal property should be arrested, you'll have no argument from me. I even said as much:

Quote
Do some investigation, determine who is responsible, get a warrant/probable cause, send the police to arrest them, charge them with a crime....in other words, follow the law.

Ok, good. And when the local politicians refuse to take action...bring in the big boys. When your overall violent crime rates increase as dramatically as some have, and the governors cant fix the problem....same thing.
You've gotta love this logic.

Once in a century pandemic hits: Shouldn't blame the Feds. It's all a local a local matter there's nothing they can do it's out of their hands. It's all up to the states.

Local police not beating people enough: Bring in the big boys!

LOL when the outrage was that a President everyone hates and doesnt listen to, didnt "recommend" masks soon enough...that speaks for itself. Definitely compares to out of control violent crime streaks concurrent with "let everyone out of jail" and "defund the police" movements. Oh yea, and "peaceful protesters" overtaking private property and vandalizing/settling ablaze buildings and vehicles....... Super great comp there....

Powers are largely delegated to the states to police themselves and handle their "issues", whatever they may be. When they cant, the Feds can step in. Civics 101...actually maybe even 7th grade U.S History.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?
Weak.

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Powers are largely delegated to the states to police themselves and handle their "issues", whatever they may be. When they cant, the Feds can step in. Civics 101...actually maybe even 7th grade U.S History.
What does this have to do with violating the 4th amendment? I totally agree, the Feds can defend and arrest those destroying federal property. It doesn't give them to the right to detain anyone they want, much less without identification, in unmarked vehicles, bagging the "suspect"'s head, no arrest record, etc.

I said it before - the fact that the Federal government's M.O. is "violate the constitution now, fight it out in court later" is not only a failure of leadership but also spits on the idea of Democracy going back to Thomas Paine and all the way to Ancient Greece.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?
Weak.

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Powers are largely delegated to the states to police themselves and handle their "issues", whatever they may be. When they cant, the Feds can step in. Civics 101...actually maybe even 7th grade U.S History.
What does this have to do with violating the 4th amendment? I totally agree, the Feds can defend and arrest those destroying federal property. It doesn't give them to the right to detain anyone they want, much less without identification, in unmarked vehicles, bagging the "suspect"'s head, no arrest record, etc.

I said it before - the fact that the Federal government's M.O. is "violate the constitution now, fight it out in court later" is not only a failure of leadership but also spits on the idea of Democracy going back to Thomas Paine and all the way to Ancient Greece.

Do you think the Federal government followed the same policy under Obama?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:32:24 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Well, you said one time that a man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body since he isn't a woman. So why should you be acting like you know what a police officer should do?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:35:43 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

By the way two of my good friends are RCMP and another is Abbotsford Police.  I have the utmost respect for cops, and often I don't understand why alot of the so-called "victims" make the interaction aggressive and unsteady from the get go.  But I also know alot of meathead cops and they do enjoy the powertrip.  Customs officers are the only ones on a bigger trip to support their egos.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Gregmal on July 22, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Some members of the left are hell bent on telling everyone else that you are whatever you currently "identify" as. So watch out, some of us may wake up tomorrow "identifying" as black, and then you all are fucked cuz we can call you racists just for disagreeing with us...
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:38:35 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Well, you said one time that a man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body since he isn't a woman. So why should you be acting like you know what a police officer should do?

What the hell?  Paul, c'mon really.  You're way smarter than this!

The woman is making a decision about their own body.  The cop is killing another "breathing" human being.  Two very different things.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 05:39:55 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

By the way two of my good friends are RCMP and another is Abbotsford Police.  I have the utmost respect for cops, and often I don't understand why alot of the so-called "victims" make the interaction aggressive and unsteady from the get go.  But I also know alot of meathead cops and they do enjoy the powertrip.  Customs officers are the only ones on a bigger trip to support their egos.  Cheers!

I agree that there are a lot of meathead cops. With that said, I think most of them are good people.

Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 22, 2020, 05:41:19 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!
That's the ultimate stupid question.

Have they done my job? They have no idea about the stress and tribulations of being an investment manager.  >:(

As our older betters said: if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. As out current betters say: "find something new".
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 05:43:11 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Well, you said one time that a man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body since he isn't a woman. So why should you be acting like you know what a police officer should do?

What the hell?  Paul, c'mon really.  You're way smarter than this!

The woman is making a decision about their own body.  The cop is killing another "breathing" human being.  Two very different things.  Cheers!

The woman isn't aborting her body. She isn't aborting a part of body. How do we know this? Well, the human she is aborting has unique dna. If it were part of her body, it would have her own dna. When the unborn human has feet, does that mean the woman has 4 feet? So do you think it would be okay if the cop killed a "breathing" human being?

At least be logical about this. ;)
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Some members of the left are hell bent on telling everyone else that you are whatever you currently "identify" as. So watch out, some of us may wake up tomorrow "identifying" as black, and then you all are fucked cuz we can call you racists just for disagreeing with us...

The funny thing Greg is that I am a minority, and both myself and members of my family have been exposed to racist behavior or profiling.  I'm very light skinned and look Jewish, while my brother is darker and looks middle-eastern.  I can't tell you how many times he has been pulled aside, while I've been let through airport security in the U.S.  Well over 50% of the time!

So I don't need to be asked if I've experienced what a black person has, because I have...much earlier in my life when I was younger.  For me personally, things improved significantly in the last 30 years.  But then I see my brother experience it...and other than skin color, he sounds white, acts like any Canadian-born individual, and has never been arrested or used any sort of drugs.  But he gets pulled aside alot more than anyone else I know!   Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 22, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
Two things can both be wrong. BLM can be wrong on certain things and right on other things. The police can be right on some things and wrong on other things. It's not black and white. There is no Obama box where you put all the "bad" and a Trump box where you put all the "good".

We've breached this topic in the past. I hate to say it again, but not everything in life is written down in a book.

So I have no problem criticizing Obama & his administration for violating the Constitution. Or for perpetuating War^Infinity. And I have no problem praising him for pushing the US towards a better healthcare structure.

Again, this all has nothing to do with Trump's administration breaking the 4th amendment.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:53:00 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Well, you said one time that a man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body since he isn't a woman. So why should you be acting like you know what a police officer should do?

What the hell?  Paul, c'mon really.  You're way smarter than this!

The woman is making a decision about their own body.  The cop is killing another "breathing" human being.  Two very different things.  Cheers!

The woman isn't aborting her body. She isn't aborting a part of body. How do we know this? Well, the human she is aborting has unique dna. If it were part of her body, it would have her own dna. When the unborn human has feet, does that mean the woman has 4 feet? So do you think it would be okay if the cop killed a "breathing" human being?

At least be logical about this. ;)

The fetus does share DNA with the mother.  It's surviving off the mother's intake of nutrients, water and oxygen.  It is not yet a "separate, breathing" human being.  There are also restrictions on the mother on when she can abort the fetus and when she cannot.

Again, you're argument is below par for you.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Parsad on July 22, 2020, 05:54:16 PM
Two things can both be wrong. BLM can be wrong on certain things and right on other things. The police can be right on some things and wrong on other things. It's not black and white. There is no Obama box where you put all the "bad" and a Trump box where you put all the "good".

We've breached this topic in the past. I hate to say it again, but not everything in life is written down in a book.

So I have no problem criticizing Obama & his administration for violating the Constitution. Or for perpetuating War^Infinity. And I have no problem praising him for pushing the US towards a better healthcare structure.

Again, this all has nothing to do with Trump's administration breaking the 4th amendment.

+1!  Cheers!
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 22, 2020, 06:01:08 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

By the way two of my good friends are RCMP and another is Abbotsford Police.  I have the utmost respect for cops, and often I don't understand why alot of the so-called "victims" make the interaction aggressive and unsteady from the get go.  But I also know alot of meathead cops and they do enjoy the powertrip.  Customs officers are the only ones on a bigger trip to support their egos.  Cheers!
There are good bunch of shitbag officers in the police force, and I've had my share of encounters with officers from the Toronto an York Region police force. But I have to fully agree with the US CPB. Those guys are on a serious trip.

The airport ones are sort of ok, I guess they're on a short leash. (Opinions may differ, I'm white so I never got randomly selected of additional screening). But the land border ones are comical. I usually cross in a late model 5 series and I get questioned about wanting to be an illegal immigrant and getting an illegal job in the US. Yes I want to leave my friends and family behind in a land where I'm obviously doing quite well (much better than you) in order to work for $12 in America or something. LOL!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Mephistopheles on July 22, 2020, 06:06:48 PM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 06:49:42 PM
For the folks who are criticizing police officers, have you ever done the job?

Have you?  Of course you haven't.  So how is the question relevant?

It's like someone from BLM asking you...have you ever been black?

Cheers!

Well, you said one time that a man shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body since he isn't a woman. So why should you be acting like you know what a police officer should do?

What the hell?  Paul, c'mon really.  You're way smarter than this!

The woman is making a decision about their own body.  The cop is killing another "breathing" human being.  Two very different things.  Cheers!

The woman isn't aborting her body. She isn't aborting a part of body. How do we know this? Well, the human she is aborting has unique dna. If it were part of her body, it would have her own dna. When the unborn human has feet, does that mean the woman has 4 feet? So do you think it would be okay if the cop killed a "breathing" human being?

At least be logical about this. ;)

The fetus does share DNA with the mother.  It's surviving off the mother's intake of nutrients, water and oxygen.  It is not yet a "separate, breathing" human being.  There are also restrictions on the mother on when she can abort the fetus and when she cannot.

Again, you're argument is below par for you.  Cheers!

The fetus shares some of her dna but it also shares some from the father so it is unique. If it were part of the mother it would have the same dna - like a tumor. 

See how you keep using the term fetus? That dehumanizes the baby. Trump does the same thing by calling immigrants "rapists and criminals." A fetus is simply a stage of development in a human's life. Other stages are baby, toddler, teenager, adult, etc. Plenty of mammals have the fetus stage of development.

If the aborted being isn't human, what is it then?

Why is it okay to violate human rights on an arbitrary basis? If immigrants come into a country and use up the country's resources, are you okay if they are then terminated? Why do immigrants have rights to exist in a place they weren't wanted but not a baby?

It is a separate human. Again, when it has feet does that mean the mother has 4 feet? Of course not! It's separate! Is it dependent on the mother? Yes, but so is a newborn baby.

I used to be pro-choice on a national level but the pro-life argument is significantly stronger.

Or if one wants to be logically consistent the argument would go something like this: if the abortion is the mother's choice since "her body, her choice" then the father should not be on the hook for child support since he didn't have a choice. They both agreed to have a "good time." But only the mother has the choice on what to do with the pregnancy. Therefore, the father should not be on the hook for another's choice. Do you agree with that?
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.

Oh yeah, you can criticize but you better be okay if they all decide to quit too.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: rb on July 22, 2020, 07:01:55 PM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.

Oh yeah, you can criticize but you better be okay if they all decide to quit too.
Pretty sure we won't have problems finding new ones.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 22, 2020, 07:04:44 PM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.

Oh yeah, you can criticize but you better be okay if they all decide to quit too.
Pretty sure we won't have problems finding new ones.

Well, feel free to play that game and see how that works. ;)
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: Mephistopheles on July 22, 2020, 07:59:04 PM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.

Oh yeah, you can criticize but you better be okay if they all decide to quit too.

Thus we should not deal with unions. Agreed now with unemployment where it's at it might be an opportune time to break with all these bs unions, public and private.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: stahleyp on July 23, 2020, 04:27:19 AM
You don't have to have been a cop to criticize a cop. They work for we the people and we can hold them accountable for their actions.

I've also never been a CEO but if I am a shareholder I reserve the right to criticize.

Oh yeah, you can criticize but you better be okay if they all decide to quit too.

Thus we should not deal with unions. Agreed now with unemployment where it's at it might be an opportune time to break with all these bs unions, public and private.

Well, if you get rid of unions, you need some kind of counter balance to the executive suite too.
Title: Re: Police State
Post by: LC on July 23, 2020, 01:30:20 PM
What's the body count of BLM now? 17? So BLM rioters are responsible for 17 deaths in 3 months. The deaths include senior citizens and multiple children. Not to mention the majority are black! Still many under investigation. Oh and look, they just found a burned body in Minnesota in a building set on fire by BLM rioters. So BLM rioters are 2 bodies short of all the unjustified killings done by police in 2019?

Another point is that police brutality is not just about murdering of these people. I mean, look at this, this is just absolute nonsense:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/hwhgac/what_qualified_immunity_looks_like/

When interviewed, the city's totally classy Sheriff says:

Quote
"Are there some things that I think we could all agree are concerning at first sight," Deterding said. "I think that it's hard to judge something based a video in and of itself. That's why it's important to gather all the facts."

What a joke.

And while the cops claimed they had a warrant for this guy's arrest - turns out they had the wrong guy (Hmm...heard that before?). Oh and of course they still charged him with "resisting arrest". The go-to charge of crappy cops.

And Mr. Miyagi himself? Oh, he's still on the job.