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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2021, 06:29:51 AM »
^ It's the condescending elitist viewpoint at work. Don't live in DC or Coastal corridors? Too bad. You're just a deplorable anyway.

The biggest, most positive element of change can be brought about by addressing politicians, journalists, and academics. These people probably make up less than 2% of the population but their entrenchment and abuses on the rest of society are so significant in size and scale. Between what they inject into common culture through their various platforms, and what they leech out of it through compensation and benefits, its disgraceful. Trevor Noah whining about inequality while selling his $18M mansion and buying a $30M mansion. The crybabies on Capitol Hill earning $15k a month plus benefits to push lobbyist bs. The teachers who make six figures to regurgitate whats in a textbook while indoctrinating their captive audiences with their ridiculous politics...thats where the change needs to start.


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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2021, 07:01:02 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.

Not only is it spot on (take a look at people in the General/Investment forum debating Smith&Wesson as they expect gun sales to rise with a Biden presidency) but it has nothing to do with Paul's claim about Obama's policies.

It's a nonsense argument.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2021, 07:16:15 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.

Not only is it spot on (take a look at people in the General/Investment forum debating Smith&Wesson as they expect gun sales to rise with a Biden presidency) but it has nothing to do with Paul's claim about Obama's policies.

It's a nonsense argument.

I have spoken with people who work at nationwide gun and ammunition distributors, and I can tell you without hesitation the sales are off the charts right now.  The questions is how long it will last.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2021, 08:39:28 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.

This mindset is the exact issue.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2021, 08:40:01 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.


It's a nonsense argument.

Kind of like believing there is some moral guidelines we all "ought to follow" without God existing? Or how human rights exist beyond what the government says? Or how morality can be subjective and objective...at the same time?  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2021, 08:42:49 AM »
Oh my, clearly some people are still deeply affected by comments Obama made 13 years ago...

Sounds like an incurable case of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Be well.

The mindset never changed - which is why we're in the spot we are now.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2021, 08:48:41 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.

This mindset is the exact issue.

Agreed that this mindset is the problem Stanley. Making generalizations about groups you disagree with and frankly probably donít understand is a great way to alienate people. I voted for Obama in 2008 and got sick of his high-minded SOTU addresses but unwillingness to get in the trenches to make compromises with people he disagreed with. This is the first election I voted third party because I didnít want to have to own having voted for either Biden or Trump. Iím outraged by the riots on 1/6 and the riots over the summer.

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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2021, 10:23:39 AM »
I will say that Obama's policies is partially what led to Trump's rise. I mean, when a leader has this type of disdain for people, what does one expect to happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008

"Obama was caught in an uncharacteristic moment of loose language. Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

What is disdainful?  It's spot on.

This mindset is the exact issue.

Agreed that this mindset is the problem Stanley. Making generalizations about groups you disagree with and frankly probably donít understand is a great way to alienate people. I voted for Obama in 2008 and got sick of his high-minded SOTU addresses but unwillingness to get in the trenches to make compromises with people he disagreed with. This is the first election I voted third party because I didnít want to have to own having voted for either Biden or Trump. Iím outraged by the riots on 1/6 and the riots over the summer.

Obama bent over backwards to compromise and to work with Republicans. And he got fucked by them throughout his terms and continues to get blamed by their rhetoric even now. Good job.

ACA was and is a great benefit for "working-class voters in old industrial towns". Who fucked it? Republicans. But let's blame Obama for high-mindedness and not understanding people.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2021, 11:08:28 AM »
Obama made the mistake of entertaining reasonable arguments from unreasonable people.

Itís the same with the nitwits trying to overthrow the government. Sure they make a reasonable point at times, but their eventual goal is nonsense. So, screw em.
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Re: Populist President No Longer Popular
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2021, 07:24:11 PM »
Obama was a naive, gutless, POS - but he's your hero. A wonderful snake oil salesman.

Living the highlife in Martha's Vineyard, while his suckers in the South Side of Chicago kill each other.
Obama could have done so much for Chicago and the country.

But like Clinton and Biden, he really wanted to get rich and use his position to be with his elite friends/celebrities.

You guys fell for his act. He gets the last laugh.  Obama was a huge help quelling the violence in Chicago - total silence - thanks for your leadership Barrack!

Oh, by the way- my wife - "Big Mike" might run for President one of these says - don't forget that when she calls ALL of you republicans' RACISTS.